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^RFUOHFLXF, Uo`jk# pvolho# ufj~rf lfcc!`jboxk hfcc` ~uoekuo;

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HKL@XK ARFEK#Horoaflxf ho roefre` f horfxxkrf hfc c`bkr`xkrok ho f~ohfjokckao` f bokux`xouxoe`hfcc!Ouxoxvxk uv~frokrf ho u`lox, Uouxfj`xoe`jflxf# kalo wkcx` emf k~fro`jk olh`aolo ueoflxogoemf *ekjf m` ao hfxxk oc ekccfa`# hkxxkr Wfeemo` * eo xrkwo`jk ho grklxf `h vl ~rkbcfj` ho jfxkhk,Olg`xxo# jkcxo jfxkho f~ohfjokckaoeo ho uxvhok kaao `cc` lkuxr` ~krx`x` lkl uklk `hfav`xo ` rocfw`rfgflkjflo lfc jkhk ekl evo uklk ~rfuflx`xo, @h fufj~ok wo uklk uxvho ho jkrx`cox * lko co

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C!f~oukhok ho R`hok w`xoe`l` ux`xk olhoe`xowk# ol x`c ufluk, M` hfxfrjol`xk ~rkbcfjo olxfrl`tokl`co,Wo uklk g`joacof emf m`llk ~fruk b`jbolo# ` e`vu` hfcc` cfvefjo`# j` eo# ~vrxrk~~k# `wwoflf kaloaokrlk# lfc lkuxrk ~`fuf, Lkl u`~~o`jk lfjjflk bflf ~frem# ol pv`lxk c!ftokckao` ho x`cf ~`xkckao`

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lkl lkx`, Hr`jjo hfc aflfrf `ee`hr`llk `lekr`# ~koem cf olh`aolo lkl roukcwklk o e`uo hocfvefjo`,C` ~freftoklf ho evo uo hfxxk uo `vxk`cojflx`, @ jok `wwouk# lkl boukal` ~o houevxfrf uvcc!`uuflt` hofwohflt` hfc rouemok ~fr c` u`cvxf hfo e`j~o `h `cx` grfpvflt` f uv pvfcck# `~~fl` jouvr`bocf# hfoe`j~o ` b`uu` grfpvflt`, Ho grklxf ` lko uo ~rku~fxx`# olwfef# vl jkuxrk4 uo xr`xx` ~rk~rok hfcc`

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O jkhfcco ho uxvhok uklk# u~fuuk# eklhkxxo h` arv~~o lkl pv`cogoe`xo k h` ekccfamo ~rkx`aklouxo# emfe`w`ce`lk vl ufxxkrf ho `cxk oj~`xxk ekjvloe`xowk pv`cf pvfcck ol fu`jf, Lfc lkuxrk ~`fuf# uo g` bfcc`goavr` ` g`rf hflvltof `jboflx`co# olho~flhflxfjflxf h`c jfxkhk,O jfxkho vu`xo ol Ox`co`# f u~fuuk# ~vrxrk~~k# `lemf `cc!fuxfrk# uklk kroaol`ro`jflxf oluvggoeoflxo `gkrlorf rou~kuxf `hfav`xf, Fuuo ~krx`lk eklufavflxfjflxf `c ukrafrf ho hvbbo, fu`xx`jflxf eo emf lkl uo hfwf g`rf,,,

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^RFUOHFLXF, Rolar`tok aco olxfrwflvxo f hoemo`rk eklecvu` c!`vhotoklf,

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