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gori, 115 iivlisiyvelani `̀qarTuli yvelani `̀qarTuli ocnebis~ aaqciazeocnebis~ aaqciaze
#31 (215) 11-17.VII.2012 weli gamodis yovel oTxSabaTs www.saertogazeti.net; E-mail: [email protected] fasi 1 larixelisuflebam ver gaigo,
rom biZina ivaniSvili
krizisuli situaciebis
marTvis menejeria _
es gansakuTrebuli
fsiqotipia, romelic
marTvis pultTan mokvdeba,
magram fexs ar moicvlis...
`nebayoflobiTi~warwymeda
anu vis mxaresaa
eklesia?
`faSistur-nacionaluri~ saqarTvelo da branwi
`paTologiis muzeumidan~
saakaSvili
xalxis ndobas
ver daayadaRebs
vano merabiSvilsgadarCenis erTaderTigza aqvs _ unda gadadges
da aqedangaiqces...
biZina ivaniSvilTan CvensSexvedras is Zalebiblokaven, romlebicivaniSvils nel-nela
amzadeben dasamarcxebladSeiZleba, xelisuflebam daiwyos
gegmis Semogdeba, TiTqos, miSa, vano
an koduebi da sxvebi erTmaneTs upi-
rispirdebian, rom amiT opozicia mi-
ityuon mosalaparakeblad. movuwo-
deb opozicias: ar gadadgas arc erTi
nabiji amaTken.
dauSvebelia imis fiqrad gavlebac ki, rom SeiZleba
saakaSvilis cixeSi biZina
ivaniSvili ijdes
ukraina quxs,
saqarTvelo dums...
saWesTan mjdarma mixeilsaakaSvilma kaci rom
gaitana, amaze informacia badri patarkaciSvilshqonda da amis SesaxeberTma misma axlobelma
politikosmac icis...
absurduli mizezebiT dajari-
mebuli ivaniSvili, aqaoda, mili-
onebs ar gvixdiso, xelisuflebam
is qoneba daayadaRa, anu `qarTu
jgufi~ da `qarTu banki~, rome-
lic qvelmoqmed politikoss re-
alurad arc arasdros ekuTuno-
da. `qarTu jgufis~ aqcionerebma
sasamarTlos ukve mimarTes maT
kuTvnil qonebaze yadaRis moxs-
nis moTxovniT, ra drosac, wesiT,
auqcioni unda SeCerdes.
`saerTo gazeTs~ aRniSnul sa-
kiTxebTan dakavSirebiT biZina
ivaniSvilis advokati arCilkbilaSvili da ucxoel aqci-
onerTa advokati paata kikna-veliZe esaubrnen.
arCil kbilaSvili: `auq-
cionze gatanil qonebasTan biZina
ivaniSvils aranairi Sexeba ar
aqvs. garkveuli kavSiri mimdinare
wlis 30 aprilamde arsebobda,
Tanac e.w. mesame doneze, sazRvar-
gareTul iurisdiqciaSi, rome-
lic, romc darCeniliyo ZalaSi,
mainc ar iqneboda darRveva, anu
ar SeiZleboda auqcionze gaeta-
naT. miuxedavad amisa, 30 aprils
`qarTu jgufis~ mTeli paketi 11
ucxour kompaniaze gasxvisda,
sruliad sxva mesakuTreebi hyavs.
ufro konkretulad agixsniT, ar-
sebobs saaqcio sazogadoeba `qar-
Tu jgufi~, romelsac ekuTvnis
`qarTu banki~ da sxva uZravi qo-
nebac. 30 aprilamde `qarTu jgu-
fis~ aqciebi eqvs kompanias ekuT-
vnoda, aqedan oTxi ucxouri iyo,
ori qarTuli, Tumca aqac iyvnen
ucxoeli partniorebi. sazRvarga-
reT am oTxi kompaniis ukan mesa-
kuTre iyo biZina ivaniSvili. aris
mcdeloba `qarTu jgufi~ xelSi
Caigdon, radgan, am SemTxvevaSi,
`qarTu banki~ da sxva uZravi qo-
nebac, avtomaturad gadava axali
mflobelis xelSi. erovnuli ban-
ki rom imizezebs `qarTu bankis~
aqciebis gasxvisebis Sesaxeb Cven-
Tvis ar ucnobebiaTo, kanonis Ta-
naxmad, erovnuli bankis nebarTva
maSinaa saWiro, Tu komerciuli
bankis aqciebis 10%-ze meti
sxvisdeba. pirvel dones Tu gan-
vixilavT, `qarTu bankis~ aqciebi
`qarTu jgufs~ ekuTvnoda, aq
cvlileba ar momxdara, amitom
informacia erovnuli bankisTvis
arc unda waredginaT. meore do-
nezec rom gaavrcelon igive
moTxovna, Tu gasxviseba 10%-s
qvemoT xdeba da SemZeni 10%-ze
naklebs iZens, mas nebarTva ar
sWirdeba. 11 subieqtma iyida es
aqciebi, ase rom, TiToeulis wi-
li 7-8%-is farglebSia. mesame
dones ki es isedac ar sWirdeba,
radgan is sazRvargareTaa. biZina
ivaniSvilma Tavisi sazRvargare-
Tuli saxli rom gayidos, mas ar
sWirdeba saqarTvelos iurisdiq-
ciasTan kavSiri da nebarTva. sa-
qarTvelos xelisufleba ki am
yvelafers yuradRebas ar aqcevs
da biZina ivaniSvils pirveli do-
nis mesakuTred Tvlis.
maincdamainc arc advokat paa-
ta kiknaveliZes sjera, rom xeli-
sufleba xsenebul auqcions Sea-
Cerebs, Tumca isic cxadia, rom
ucxoeli mesakuTreebi, saakaSvi-
lis jibis sasamarTlosa da sa-
xelSecvlili kontrolis pala-
tis gadawyvetilebebs udrtvinve-
lad ar daTanxmdebian da sakuTa-
ri interesebis dasacavad brZo-
las gaagrZeleben.
paata kiknaveliZe: `me ga-
miWirdeba winaswar imis Tqma, mo-
samarTle ra gadawyvetilebas mi-
iRebs auqcionis SeCerebasTan da-
kavSirebiT, Tumca qonebaze nebis-
mieri kerZo davisas, mxaris uf-
lebebis darRveva rom ar moxdes,
sasamarTlo yadaRas
adebs sadavo qonebas.
amiT Tavidan icilebs
am qonebis gasxvisebas
an ipoTekiT datvirT-
vas. analogiuri tipis
samarTlebrivi dacvis
saSualebaa auqcionis
SeCereba. Tu mosamar-
Tlem auqcioni ar Se-
aCera, am SemTxvevaSi,
arsebiTad raRa unda
ganixilos, Tuki qone-
bis realizacia moxda,
yadaRisgan ras gaaTa-
visuflebs? amitom logikuri da
samarTlebrivia SeCereba, SeaCe-
rebda kidec, es Cveulebrivi ker-
Zo dava rom iyos da ara poli-
tikuri sakiTxi. xelisuflebas am
saqmeSi arasamarTlebrivi intere-
sebi gaaCnia, rac xels uSlis sa-
kiTxis samarTlebriv gadawyvetas.
Tu auqcioni ar SeCerda, amis
Semdeg adgilobriv sasamarTloSi
axal sarCels SevitanT da mo-
viTxovT, rom mTlianad Semowm-
des saaRmsrulebo warmoebis ka-
noniereba. unda gairkves, ramde-
nad kanonieria yadaRis dadebis
aqti, rogorc administraciul-
samarTlebrivi aqti, hqonda
Tu ara sasamarTlo aRmas-
rulebels imis ufleba, rom
erTi pirisgan jarimis amo-
Rebis mizniT, yadaRa daedo
sxva piris sakuTrebaSi ar-
sebul qonebaze, ramdenad
kanonieria, aqedan gamomdina-
re, aRmasruleblis gankar-
guleba, auqcionSi SesaZlo
monawile romelime pirisT-
vis am aqciebis gadacemis,
xolo Tu auqcioni ar Sed-
ga, saxelmwifosTvis natu-
ris gadacemis Sesaxeb. ase rom,
arsebobs Sida saxelmwifoebrivi
meqanizmebi, amis paralelurad
arsebobs saerTaSoriso samarT-
lebrivi meqanizmebic. saqarTvelo
mierTebulia `iqsidis~ konvenci-
as, romelic nebismier ucxoel
investors uflebas aniWebs, rom
man Tavisi uflebebis dasacavad,
ara adgilobriv sasamarTlos,
aramed uSualod sainvesticio
davebis saerTaSoriso centrs
(vaSingtoni) mimarTos.
dayadaRebis aqtSi ar aris mi-
TiTebuli visi sakuTrebaa es aq-
ciebi. biZina ivaniSvils ver miu-
TiTebdnen, radgan aqciaTa reest-
rSi ar arsebobs Sesabamisi Cana-
weri, sxva subieqti rom mieTiTe-
binaT, Seusabamoba iqneboda, erTs
Tu ekisreba jarimis gadaxda, me-
ores ratom uyadaReben qonebaso.
erTi sityviT, TvalsaCinod ar
gamoaCines konkretuli subieqti.
saqarTvelos mTavrobam kargad
icis, rom maTi gadawyvetilebis
aRsrulebis Sansi arc erT evro-
pul saxelmwifoSi ar arsebobs,
amitom am zomas ar mimarTes, sa-
qarTveloSi ki risi gakeTebac
undaT, akeTeben, radgan ician,
rom win veravin daudgeba.
manana suxiSvili
saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.2
gazeTi xxelmZRvanelobs TTavisufali ppresis pprincipiT.SesaZloa, aavtoris ppozicia aar eeTanxmebodes rredaqciis aazrs.informaciis ssizusteze ppasuxismgebelia aavtori. ggasaCivrebaSesaZlebelia mmasalis ggamoqveynebidan eerTi kkviris vvadaSi.
Semosuli mmasalebi aavtorebs aar uubrundeba.aamm nniiSSnniiTT aaRRnniiSSnnuulliiaa ssaarreekkllaammoo mmaassaalleebbii..
`saerTo gazeTi~mmTTaavvaarrii rreeddaaqqttoorrii:: vvaaxxttaanngg xxaarrCCiillaavvaa
gamomcemeli: Sps sagamomcemlo centri `saerTo sityva~
mmiiss:: TTbbiilliissii,, aaRRmmaaSSeenneebblliiss 116644;;
tteell..:: 22 1144 4400 1199;; 22 3344 2288 9977
rreeggiisstt.. ##220022337755334499;; uak (UDC) 070.23 (479.22) s-1158
wuxel baTumSi evropis
saxalxo partiis Tavmjdo-
mare vilfred martensi Ca-
mobrZanda da Riad dauWira
mxari `nacmoZraobas~ da
mis liders, romlebsac Ta-
vianTi swori politikiT
evrointegraciisken mihyavT
saqarTvelo, rasac Turme
`oligarqi~ biZina ivaniSvi-
li uSlis xels.
saqarTvelos evroin-
tegracia _ es is avantiu-
ra da demagogiaa, romlis
iqiT qarTvelTa gadagvare-
bis da gadakeTebis mzakv-
ruli gegma imaleba, ro-
melsac didi xalisiT da
sibejiTiT anxorcieleben
saqarTvelos amJamindeli
xelisufalni.
evroparlamentis war-
momadgenelTa erTi nawi-
lis da personalurad ev-
ropis saxalxo partiis Se-
teva biZina ivaniSvilze ar
aris arainformaciulobiT
gamowveuli Secdoma.
maT SesaniSnavad ician,
vin aris biZina ivaniSvili,
ician, ra gaukeTebia mas sa-
qarTvelosTvis, ra gauke-
Tebia misi gadarCenisa da
aRorZinebisTvis.
maT ician, rombiZina ivaniSvilisx e l i s u f l e b a S imosvliT iqmneba`saSiSroeba~, sa-qarTvelom gaixse-nos sakuTari Tavi,daibrunos Rirse-bis grZnoba, daib-runos mxneoba daara sxvis niadagze,aramed erovnulsaZirkvelze aaSe-nos namdvili qar-Tuli saxelmwifo,rac aramc da aramcar Sedis qarTvel-Ta gaevropeleba-gadajiSebis mo-surneTa gegmaSi.
ai, swored amiT iyo ga-
mowveuli evroparlamentis
sxdomaze biZina ivaniSvi-
lis misamarTiT ganxorcie-
lebuli gaafTrebuli Tav-
dasxma, romelsac Tamamad
SeiZleba vuwodoT ideo-
logiuri teraqti, rome-
lic, vfiqrob, personalu-
rad mxolod ivaniSvilis
ki ara mTeli saqarTvelos
winaaRmdeg iyo mimarTuli.
amiTaa gamowveuli mar-
tensebis da lancbergisebis
mzakvruli miniSnebebi qar-
Tul faSizmsa da nacizmze.
Tu qarTvelebienis, mamulis dasarwmunoebis da-sacavad xmis amoRe-bas vbedavT, e.i. fa-Sistebi da nacis-tebi varT?
axla jeri qarTvel
xalxzea, romelic darwmu-
nebuli var, sakadris pa-
suxs gascems am aramkiTxe
`keTilismyofelebs~ kan-
toridan saxelad `evro-
parlamenti~.
P.S. aaddrree eevvrrooppaarrllaammeenn-
ttiiss ssaaxxeelliiTT mmaaTTiiaass iioorrSSii
ddaaddiiooddaa aaqq aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss ddrr-
ooss ddaa,, rrooggoorrcc aammbboobbeenn,, ggaa-
yyaallbbeebbuullii aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss `̀ggaapp-
rraavveebbiiTT~~ ddiidd ffuullss SSoouu-
lloobbddaa..
iioorrSSss,, eettyyoobbaa,, mmaarrttee-
nnsseebbii CCaaeennaaccvvllnneenn ddaa mmoommaa-
vvaall ssaapprraallmmeennttoo aarrCCeevvnneebb-
SSii aaxxllaa iissiinnii `̀ddaaggvvaakkvviirr-
ddeebbiiaann~~,, rroomm mmeerree ddiiddii hhoo-
nnoorraarreebbiiss ssaannaaccvvlloodd qqaarrTT-
vveellii xxaallxxiiss aarrCCeevvaannii
kkvvllaavv uuttiiffrraadd ggaaaayyaallbboonn..
__ ddaammiijjeerreeTT,, ddiiddii ddaakk-
vviirrvveebbaaaa ssaaWWiirroo aamm TTvvaallTT-
mmaaqqcc ddaammkkvviirrvveebblleebbzzee,, TToo-
rreemm iissiinnii ZZvveellii mmeeTTooddeebbiiTT
iisseevv aaggvvaaffccqqvvnniiaann mmoommaavvaallss,,
rrooggoorrcc eess aarraaeerrTTggzziiss ggaa-
uukkeeTTeebbiiaaTT......
vaxtang xarCilava
redaqtoris sveti
auqcionze gatanil qonebasTan biZina ivaniSvils
aranairi Sexeba ar aqvs...
3#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
socialuri
qselidan:
`veTanxmebi `saerTo gazeTis~ wina nomerSi gamoTqmul mosazre-
bas, rom xelisuflebis mier ganxorcielebuli sakadro cvlilebebi
erTaderT mizans emsaxureba: _ ivlis-agvistos TveSi gadamwyveti
ieriSi miitanos biZina ivaniSvilze, aRZras mis winaaRmdeg sisxlis
samarTlis saqme da Zalismieri meTodebis gamoyenebiT an daakavos
igi, an aiZulos, qveyana datovos.
es realuri safrTxea, Tumca am realuri safrTxis Tavidan asaci-
leblad jerjerobiT araferi keTdeba.
xalxo, ra vqnaT? davsxdeT da gulxeldakrefilebma vuyuroT,
rogor uswordebian moZaladeebi saqarTvelosTvis Tavdadebul am
did mamuliSvils?
sanam unda gagrZeldes ase?
maincdamainc ivaniSvilma unda gviTxras, miSveleTo, Cven TviTon
ratom ver vxvdebiT, ra unda gavakeToT da ra unda movimoqmedoT?
vfiqrob, Cven, xalxma, Cveni iniciativiT unda gavmarToT ivaniS-
vilis mxardamWeri didi mitingi, marTlac saerTo-saxalxo xasiaTis
Tavyriloba da am xelisuflebas Riad vuTxraT, rom biZina ivaniSvi-
lis politikur devnas, mis Seviwroebas, mis Seuracxyofas da masze
Zaladobas ar davanebebT.
am aqciaze aucileblad unda moviwvioT saqarTveloSi akredite-
buli saelCoebi, evrokavSiris, evrosabWos, sxvadasxva saerTaSori-
so organizaciebis warmomadgenlebi.
movidnen da dagvTvalon, ramdenni varT!
movidnen da mogvisminon, ra gvinda!
movidnen da waikiTxon, ra ewereba Cvens transparantebze!
mSvidobiani gziT, maRali moqalaqeobrivi SegnebiT da pasuxism-
geblobiT da, rac mTavaria, erTianobiT, yvela winaaRmdegobis daZ-
leva SeiZleba.
SemogvierTdiT!
4 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa `̀mmwwvvaanneeTTaa ppaarrttii-
iiss~~ lliiddeerrii giorgi gaCeCi-laZe..
_ batono gia, lilos dasax-
lebaSi qloris gaJonvis Sedegad
uamravi adamiani moiwamla. ofi-
cialuri monacemebiT, 80 adamia-
ni mowamlula, Tumca moaruli
xmebiT, maTi raodenoba gacile-
biT metia. mowamvlis safrTxe
isev Tu arsebobs da qloris
garda, iq sxva momwamvleli niv-
Tierebebic xom ar iyo?
_ RmerTma gviSvela, wvimebi
rom movida, Torem es momwamv-
leli nivTiereba Zalze didi
masStabiT gavrceldeboda. ube-
dureba isaa, rom 2010 wels ga-
auqmes kanoni `saSiSi nivTiere-
bebis Sesaxeb~, romelic aregu-
lirebda amgvar nivTierebebTan
mopyrobas, anu maTi dasawyobe-
bis, gadazidvis, eqsport-impor-
tis, Senaxvis wesebis dacvas. am
kanonis mixedviT, akrZaluli
iyo dasaxlebuli punqtebis si-
axloves amdagvari nivTierebebis
ganTavseba, radgan es safrTxis
Semcvelia. im sacavSi mxolod
qlori iyo, radgan is firma
`Tbilis-wyalmomaragebas~, anu
isev ruseTs emsaxureba, rome-
lic mas xelSi nacionalebma Ca-
ugdes. es mimwodebeli firma
iranulia. aq marto is ki ar
aris saintereso, rac moxda,
aramed is, rom, roca tenderi
gamocxadda qloris miwodebas-
Tan dakavSirebiT, `jorjian vo-
Ter end fauerma~, miuxedavad
imisa, rom ganacxadi uamrav
firmas hqonda wardgenili, mainc
da mainc upiratesoba am iranul
firmas mianiWa da mas gaamarjve-
bina, esec, ra Tqma unda, poli-
tikuri sakiTxi iyo. qlori nak-
lebad toqsikuri nu ggoniaT.
maRalkoncentrirebuli qlori
saSinlad toqsikuria da misi
SesunTqva filtvebis damwvro-
bas da saSinel mowamvlas iw-
vevs. adamiani cocxali romc ga-
darCes, qlori garkveuli peri-
odis ganmavlobaSi mainc muSa-
obs, radgan sisxlis saSualebiT
gadadis mTel organizmSi da
ujredebSi rCeba. filtvis dam-
wvrobis dros irRveva sisxlis
mimoqcevis sistema, ramac SeiZ-
leba tvinis ujredebis kvdoma
gamoiwvios.
me imave dRes mivawode medi-
as informacia, magram ratomRac
aravin gaaSuqa, rom arsebobs ka-
noni saSiSi nivTierebebiT zianis
miyenebis SemTxvevaSi zaralis
anazRaurebis Sesaxeb. ase rom,
yvela adamians, vinc ziani miiRo
am incidentTan dakavSirebiT,
ufleba aqvs kompensacia moiTxo-
vos da miiRos.
_ ori wlis win gauuqmebiaT
kanoni saxifaTo nivTierebebTan
dakavSirebiT da dazaralebu-
lebs kompensacias vinRa gadaux-
dis?
_ es kanoni ki gaauqmes,
magram ss-is kodeqsSi ar
gauqmebula Sesabamisi mux-
li. ase rom, dazaralebul
adamianebs kompensaciis mi-
Rebis ufleba aqvT, marto
viRacis dapatimrebiT prob-
lema ar amoiwureba. proku-
raturam unda Seiswavlos
is xelSekrulebebi, rome-
lic Tbilisis wyalmomaragebasa
da am firmas Sorisaa dadebuli
- ra pirobebis safuZvelze air-
Cies es firma, anu usafrTxoebis
ra garantiebis gamo mianiWes mas
prioriteti, Tu marto Tanxa
iyo maTTvis mniSvnelovani. Cven
isic ar viciT, iq sinamdvileSi
ra moxda, avzi gaskda Tu marT-
lac Tavi mosZvra. faqtia, rom
usafrTxoeba daculi ar iyo.
qlors aseTi Tviseba aqvs, Tu is
iseT avzSia moTavsebuli, Tanac
didi xniT, romelic kargad ar
aris gawmendili, azotTan iseT
naerTebs warmoSobs, romelic
feTqebadia. Tu es naerTebi dag-
rovda, SeiZleba afeTqda da avzi
gaskda. vimeoreb, me ar vici, iq
zustad ra moxda, magram aseTi
faqtebi arsebobs, amitomac us-
afrTxoebis dacvaa ZiriTadi
faqtori.
_ mosaxleobisa da arasamTav-
roboebis mxridan didi ukmayo-
fileba mohyva rusTavSi sacxov-
rebeli korpusebis siaxloves
gazgasamarTi sadguris mSeneb-
lobas. Turme es mSenebloba ka-
nonieri yofila da adgilobriv-
ma Cinovnikebma Tavi imiT imarT-
les, usafrTxoebis normebi sru-
lad iqneba daculio. arada, Ta-
vis droze, rogorc uSiSroebis
profesionalma kadrebma miTxres,
dauSvebelia mosaxleobis siax-
loves, miT umetes dedaqalaqSi
yovel nabijze benzingasamarTi
sadgurebis gaxsnac. mters te-
raqtebisTvis gansakuTrebuli
gegmis SemuSaveba arc daWirde-
ba, radgan TiTo mokidebuli
asanTis Reri rom Seagdon am
sadgurebSi, mTel Tbiliss haer-
Si aweveno. Tqveni azriT, am mSe-
neblobebze nebarTvebis gacema
ucodinarobiT xdeba Tu yvela-
feri fulTan asocirdeba?
- usafrTxoebasTan dakavSi-
rebuli sistemebi, vgulisxmob,
rogorc sagareo, ise Sida faq-
torebs, saxelmwifos preroga-
tivaa, man unda uzrunvelhyos,
rac sakanonmdeblo doneze xdeba.
rodesac saSineli korufciaa
qveyanaSi, Sesabamisi kanonmdeb-
loba romc arsebobdes, mas mainc
aravin aqcevs yuradRebas. mainc
aaSeneben, SeiZleba mepatrone ra-
Rac minimaluri TanxiT daajari-
mon, magram is im obieqts Seinar-
Cunebs da fuls gaakeTebs. Tanac
marto benzin da gazgasamarT
sadgurebze ar aris aq laparaki.
gnebavT, qloris es gaJonva avi-
RoT. garda amisa, imazec visaub-
roT, Tu rogor wamlaven mosax-
leobas sasmeli wyliTa da Tun-
dac adgilobrivi soflis meur-
neobis produqtebiT, importul-
ze aRarafers vambob. mimdinare
wlis martSi parlamentma miiRo
kanoni, romlis mixedviTac ker-
Zo subieqtebs yvelafris ufle-
ba miecaT, anu Tu fuls gadaix-
dian, SeuZliaT gaanadguron ga-
remo, gadawvan tyeebi, wyalSi
Caasxan Sxamebi, ufro metic,
adamianebs saxeSi Seasxuron
toqsikuri nivTierebebi da maT
amaze pasuxs aravin moTxovs. am
sakiTxTan dakavSirebiT `mwvaneTa
partiam~ aprilSi parlamentTan
xalxmravali aqciac moawyo,
Tumca, samwuxarod, bevrma tele-
viziam es ar gaaSuqa. kanonis Za-
laSi Sesvlis Semdeg velodebo-
diT, fulis gadaxdis sanacv-
lod, romel kompanias epatiebo-
da yvela is ss-is danaSauli,
romelic saqarTvelos winaaRm-
deg hqonda Cadenili. pirveli
`Sewyalebuli~ s/s `madneulisa~
da Sps `kvarcitis~ mflobeli
rusuli `kapital jgufia~, ro-
melic amuSavebs bolnisis saba-
doebs, mopovebuli oqrosa da
spilenZis eqsports eweva, ko-
losaluri odenobis fuls Sou-
lobs, samagierod, toqsikuri
nivTierebebiT wamlavs mTel
bolnisis raions. Cven xelSi
Cagvivarda am saSineli kanonis
safuZvelze miRebuli SeTanxmeba,
am rusul kompaniasa da saqarT-
velos energetikisa da bunebrivi
resursebis saministros Soris,
romlis mixedviTac `kapital
jgufs~ yvelaferi epatieba, ra-
Sic man 13 milioni lari unda
gadaixados, Tanac erTbaSad ki
ara, 2014 wlamde gawerili gra-
fikiT.
xsenebuli kanonis mixedviT,
aravis aqvs ufleba SeTanxmebiT
gansazRvrul periodSi Seamow-
mos, kontroli gauwios an rai-
me sxva RonisZieba gaataros im
kompaniebis mimarT, visac fuli
aqvs gadaxdili. xsenebuli sa-
warmoebidan gamosuli sawamlavi
Caedineba mdinare kazreTulasa
da maSaveraSi, aq gakeTebuli 31-
kilometriani sarwyavi sistemiT
ki 15 soflis savargulebi irwy-
veba. am soflebSi mcxovreb 7
aTas komls xom wamlaven da
iwamleba lamis mTeli qvemo qar-
Tli da Tbilisic, radgan iq mo-
weuli xili da bostneuli
yvelgan iyideba. qarTveli da
germaneli eqspertebis daskvne-
biT, sasmel da sarwyav wylebSi,
niadagSi, mcenareebsa da produq-
tSi iseTi maRaltoqsikuri niv-
Tierebebia gadasuli, rogoricaa
spilenZi, TuTia, kadmiumi, TiT-
beri da a.S. sasmel wyalSi am
mZime liTonebis Semcveloba da-
saSvebze 33-jer metia, sarwyav
wyalSi spilenZis Semcveloba
40-jer aRemateba dasaSvebs. ami-
tomacaa bolnisis raionSi daava-
debaTa mxriv katastrofuli
mdgomareoba - anemiebi, onkolo-
giuri daavadebebi, maxinji bavS-
vebis dabadeba. oficialuri mo-
nacemebiT, bolo aTi wlis gan-
mavlobaSi Tu mTel saqarTvelo-
Si gaormagda onkologiur daa-
vadebaTa raodenoba, bolnisis
raionSi oTxjer aris gazrdili.
ai, amaSi gadaaxdevines rusebs
fuli da igive unda gagrZeldes.
_ rogorc TviTmxilvelebma
miTxres, oqros da spilenZis mo-
poveba Ria karierebSi xdeba,
romlebsac Semdeg atmosferuli
naleqebi recxavs da es siTxe
yovelgvari gawmendis gareSe
mdinareSi Caedineba...
_ Ria karierebi mTel msof-
lioSi arsebobs, magram civili-
zebul qveynebSi usafrTxoeba
srulad aris uzrunvelyofili,
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi iq momu-
Save kompaniebs marto gakotre-
bas ar akmareben, radgan im qvey-
nebSi mZlavri kanonmdebloba
moqmedebs. iq Tu arsebobs usaf-
rTxoebis damcavi teqnologiebi,
ratom ar SeiZleba saqarTvelo-
Sic gamoiyenon? warmoidgineT,
madneulis sawarmos iq qlorze
gacilebiT toqsikuri nivTiere-
ba, kaliumis cianidi tonobiT
Seaqvs, romelsac oqros misaRe-
bad iyeneben. am nivTierebis Zal-
ze mcire dozac ki myisierad iw-
vevs centraluri nervuli sis-
temis paralizebas. iq mTebad
aris dagrovili oqros Semcveli
nedleuli, romelsac kaliumis
cianidis xsnariT rwyaven. qvemoT
specialuri mowyobilobaa, ro-
melsac qanidan oqro gamoaqvs.
Ria cisqveS dayril am e.w. mTeb-
Si axlac aris tonobiT dagro-
vili kaliumis cianidi, romel-
sac wvima daedineba da mdinareSi
recxavs. SevardnaZis mmarTvelo-
bisas frangebi iyvnen Camosuli,
romlebic xelisuflebas sTava-
zobdnen, mogveciT es obieqti da
mas sruliad usafrTxos gavxdi-
To. e.i. arsebobda gawmendis me-
Todi. ramdenime wlis win rumi-
neTSi, sadac oqros mopovebas
daaxloebiT iseTive teqnologi-
iT awarmoebdnen, rogorc saqar-
TveloSi, mTa Camoingra da Sig-
niT dagrovili kaliumis cianidi
garemoSi gadmoiRvara. mimdebare
teritoriidan mTeli soflebi
gaasaxles, xalxi rom ar daxo-
ciliyo, bunebasa da garemoze
aRaraa saubari, yvelaferi amowy-
da. es iyo tragedia, globaluri
ekokatastrofa, romelic marto
rumineTs ki ar Seexo, mdinareeb-
ma danarCen evropaSic gadaitana.
amitomacaa qveyanaSi aucilebeli
usafrTxoebis sistema, rasac
iseTi xelisufleba sWirdeba,
romelic marto sakuTar jibeze
ki ara, qveyanazec ifiqrebs.
zemoxsenebul kanonSi im
cvlilebebis Setana, romelic
fulis gadaxdis sanacvlod kom-
panias yvelafris uflebas aZ-
levs, specialurad am rusuli
kompaniisTvis gakeTda, radgan,
Cveni informaciiT, amasTan dakav-
SirebiT TebervalSi daiwyo ru-
sebTan molaparakeba. rogorc
Cans, rusebma yvela im codvis
patieba moiTxoves, rac bolnisis
raionSi aqvT Cadenili. amitom
parlamentma daCqarebuli wesiT
miiRo es cvlilebebi. Cven kate-
goriulad viTxovT am SeTanxme-
bis gauqmebas. is subieqtebi
aucileblad unda daisajon da
daisjebian kidec Cadenili dana-
SaulisTvis.
manana suxiSvili
bolo aTi wlis ganmavlobaSi onkologiur daavadebaTa ricxvi mTel saqarTveloSi
orjer, bolnisis raionSi ki oTxjer gaizarda
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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5saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
27 maiss TbilisSibevri xalxi iyo.
10 ivniss quTaisSibevri xalxi iyo.
17 ivniss ozurgeT-Si bevri xalxi iyo.
1 ivliss mcxeTaSibevri xalxi iyo.
miuxedavad imisa, rom Tbi-
lisSic bevri xalxi iyo, qu-
TaisSic, ozurgeTSic da
mcxeTaSic, paralelurad ar
Semwydara saubari imis Sesa-
xeb, rom SeiZleba saqme arCev-
nebamde verc mivides, ris sa-
fuZvelsac xelisuflebis mi-
er biZina ivaniSvilis winaaR-
mdeg Tamamad ganxorcielebu-
li represiebi da mkacri san-
qciebi iZleva, riTac saakaSvi-
li da `nacmoZraoba~ Riad da
daufaravad acxadebs: Tu gin-
daT asiaTasi SeikribeT, Tu
gindaT naxevari milioni, sul
fexebze gvkidixarT, Cven ma-
inc imas gavakeTebT, rasac
aqamde vakeTebdiT _ Tqvens
liders arc moqalaqeobas da-
vubrunebT, arc saarCevno kam-
paniis normalurad Catarebis
saSualebas mivcemT _ milio-
nebs SevawerT, qonebas davuya-
daRebT, mxardamWerebs gavu-
laxavT, davuWerT, davuSinebT
da Tu saWiro gaxdeba, arc
mis daWeras an qveynidan gaZe-
vebas moveridebiT.
ai, aseTia xelisuflebis pa-
suxi _ abuCad amgdebi, Seu-
racxmyofeli, udieri pasuxi.
* * *
ratom xdeba ase? nuTu xe-
lisuflebisTvis arafers niS-
navs uamravi moqalaqis quCaSi
gamosvla? arafers niSnavs maTi
survili, maTi moTxovna, maTi
protesti, ainunSic rom ar ag-
debs maT da viTom verc xedavs
am asiaTasebs, viTom verc amC-
nevs?
Cemi azriT, mizezi amisa is
gaxlavT, rom es aqciebi, ase
vTqvaT, dramaturgiulad aras-
worad aris dagegmili.
Tu aqciebs warmovidgenT,
rogorc Ria cisqveS dadgmul
did, grandiozuli masStabis
speqtakls da mis msvlelobas
Tvals gavadevnebT, aRmoCndeba,
rom am speqtaklSi xalxs mxo-
lod statistis, mxolod mayu-
reblis roli aqvs, romelic
taSs ukravs scenaze gamomsv-
lel politikur aqtiorebs,
usmens maT gamosvlebs da `speq-
taklis~ damTavrebis Semdeg
saxlSi midis.
arada, mitingi marTlac Te-
atraluri speqtakli xom ar
aris, is, pirvel yovlisa, po-
litikuri Sinaarsis aqciaa, sa-
dac mTavari gmiri, mTavari per-
sonaJi xalxia.
samcuxarod, arc TbilisSi,
arc quTaisSi, arc ozurgeTSi,
arc mcxeTaSi tribuna aravis
dauTmia am aqciebis monawile
moqalaqeebisTvis, aravis mous-
menia maTi mosazrebebi.
politikuri xasiaTis mi-
tingi ar aris erTi `msaxiobis~
Teatri, ar aris piesa mxolod
erTi aqtiorisTvis, politiku-
ri mitingi koleqtiuri, sayo-
velTao saxalxo `warmodgenaa~,
romlis yvela monawile am war-
modgenis mTavar moqmed gmirad
unda grZnobdes Tavs.
ase iqmneba erT Zalad Sek-
ruli koleqtiuri energia, ro-
melsac verc erTi xelisufle-
ba ver daudgeba win, Tu es
energia swor kalapotSi iqneba
miSvebuli.
rogorc vTqviT, mTavari po-
litikuri subieqti, mTavari
politikuri personaJi aris
xalxi, romelsac ar SeiZleba
mxolod munji `masovkis~ ro-
li arguno.
xelisufleba imitomac ar
reagirebs am mravalaTasian mi-
tingebze, rom am mitingis mona-
wileni arc arafers iTxoven
xelisuflebisgan _ ar iTxoven
Tundac biZina ivaniSvilisTvis
moqalaqeobis dabrunebas, ar
iTxoven ivaniSvilis politiku-
ri devnis Sewyvetas, ar iTxo-
ven am Sizoiduri xasiaTis ja-
rimebis da dayadaRebebis gauq-
mebas, ar iTxoven dapatimrebu-
li adamianebis gaTavisuflebas,
ar iTxoven uRirsi mosamarT-
leebis dasjas, ar iTxoven mo-
gelaZis kantoris danaSauleb-
rivi qmedebebis aRkveTas da
roca isini arafers ar iTxo-
ven, xelisuflebam raze unda
moaxdinos reagireba da ra-
ze unda gasces pasuxi?
xelisufleba dR-es biZina ivaniSvilsebrZvis, rogorc ke-rZo pirs, rogorckerZo samarTlispirs da iqmneba STa-beWdileba, rom esambavi saerTod, arexeba im asiaTaso-biT moqalaqes, rom-lebic koalicia `qa-rTuli ocnebis~ mx-ardamWer mitingeb-ze dganan.
arada, rogor ar exebaT?
sinamdvileSi xom xelisuf-
leba mxolod ivaniSvils ki
ara, qarTuli xalxis im na-
wils ebrZvis, romelic ar
egueba am xelisuflebis mier
damkvidrebul Zaladobas, usa-
marTlobas, avtoritarizms, ge-
nocidTan miaxloebul qmedebebs,
elitarul korufcias, romelic
aris safuZvelT safuZveli uam-
ravi adamianis gaRaribeba-gaRata-
kebisa, im upasuxismgeblo nabi-
jebs, romlebic gaxda mizezi
2008 wlis agvistos omis dawye-
bisa da romlis Sedegadac qar-
Tuli saxelmwifos rRvevis
procesma SeiZleba katastrofu-
li xasiaTi miiRos da a.S. da a.S.
* * *
_ xelisuflebis Se-cvla mxolod arCevne-bis gziT unda moxdes!
_ xSirad `gaigonebT am
frazas, rogorc koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~ liderisgan,
aseve am koaliciis sxva wevre-
bisganac.
TavisTavad cxadia, es swo-
ri da yvelasTvis misaRebi
formulaa _ xelisuflebis
cvla, ra Tqma unda, arCevnebi-
sas unda moxdes, magram es
imas xom ar niSnavs, rom arCev-
nebamde xelisuflebas yvelaf-
ris ufleba unda mivceT, yve-
laferze Tavi unda davuxa-
roT?
aravin ambobs, qve-biT da joxebiT Seia-raRebulni gamovcviv-deT quCaSi, SeviWraTparlamentSi, SeviWr-aT kancelariaSi, Se-viWraT prezidentisrezidenciaSi da ase,Zaladobrivi gziT da-
vamxoT xelisufleb-ao, magram am mravala-Tasian mitingebze kon-kretuli moTxovnebisda samarTliani pre-tenziebis wamoyenebavin agvikrZala?
_ xelisuflebas surs quCa-
Si gamogvityuos da iq gagvis-
wordes. ai, amis sababi ar unda
mivceTo, _ amgvar mosazrebasac
xSirad gaigonebT koalicia
`qarTuli ocnebis~ liderebis-
gan.
ki, magram, ras niSnavs quCa-
Si gamotyueba? es grandiozu-
li mitingebi quCaSi ar imarTe-
ba?
rac Seexeba sababs,ufro didi sababi raSeiZleba iyos, vidreimis gancxadeba, rom`qarTuli ocneba~ oq-tombris arCevnebSiaucileblad daamar-cxebs `nac. moZraobas~da parlamentSi umrav-lesobiT Seva?
amaze ufro didisababi ra SeiZlebaiyos am xelisufle-bisTvis, vidre arCev-nebSi damarcxebis sa-SiSroeba, rac misTvisabsoluturi katast-rofaa?
elementaruli logikaa _
Tu xelisufleba miva im daskv-
namde, rom oqtomberSi arCevnebs
agebs, is yvelafers gaakeTebs
imisTvis, rom gzidan Camoici-
los mTavari konkurenti _ bi-
Zina ivaniSvili, lideris gareSe
darCenil koalicias ki arCevneb-
Si advilad gauswordeba.
_ Cven amisTvisac mzad
varT... Tu raRac mizezebis ga-
mo me ver miviReb monawileobas
arCevnebSi, iqneba koalicia,
romelsac Cemi saxeli erqmeva
da es sakmarisia, rom xalxma
Cven mogvces xma, _ ambobs ba-
toni biZina.
ara mgonia, es mosazreba di-
di optimizmis uflebas gvaZ-
levdes.
saqmes is aris, rom es asi-
aTasobiT adamiani personalu-
rad erT adamians, biZina ivaniS-
vils uWers mxars da mis avto-
ritets veravin da veraferi
ver Caanacvlebs.
esec ar iyos, ivaniSvilis
CamoSoreba politikuri proce-
sebidan uzarmazari fsiqologi-
uri dartyma iqneba misi mxar-
damWerebisTvis, rac advili Se-
saZlebelia nihilizmsa da uime-
dobaSi gadaizardos da mkveT-
rad Seamciros ivaniSvilis
mxardamWerTa aqtiuroba arCev-
nebis periodSi.
_ Cven unda mivideT arCev-
nebamde da yvelaferi unda ga-
vakeToT imisTvis, rom Catar-
des samarTliani obieqturi ar-
Cevnebi. Tu xelisufleba gaa-
yalbebs arCevnebs, Cven auci-
leblad davicavT Cvens xmebs _
acxadeben koaliciis warmomad-
genlebi.
gayalbebis Semdegxmebis dacva da warT-meulis ukan dabrune-ba Zalian Zneli, TiTq-mis SeuZlebeli iqneba.am xmebis dacva axlaasaWiro, ise,rogorcaxlaa saWiro biZinaivaniSvilis dacva Za-lmomreobisa da rep-resiisgan.
xelisuflebam arCevnebis ga-
yalbeba ukve daiwyo da arCevne-
bis Sedegebze zemoqmedebis yve-
la berketi mTeli simZlavriT
aamuSava, ise, rogorc aamuSava
yvela berketi biZina ivaniSvi-
lis politikuri asparezidan
gasaZeveblad, koalicia `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ aqciebze ki kvlav
da kvlav jiutad ar exebian am
yvelaze mwvave sakiTxebs.
_ yvelaze uaresi,rac biZina ivaniSvilsemuqreba am xelisuf-lebisgan, deportaci-aa... Tu es moxdeba, arcesaa didi ubedureba _Cven gavimarjvebT ar-CevnebSi da batoni bi-Zinac dabrundeba, _aseTi arxeini gancxa-debac movismine koa-liciis erT-erTi wev-risgan.
RmerTma qnas, rom gaimarjv-
oT, pativcemulo koalicione-
rebo, Tumca, vfiqrob, ivaniSvi-
lis gareSe amis gakeTeba Za-
lian gagiWirdebaT...
amasac rom Tavi davaneboT,
deportaciis garSemo saubaric
Semogdebuli mgonia _ ra de-
portacia, ris deportacia _
ver xedavT, rom es xelisuf-
leba ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg
sisxlis samarTlis saqmes ke-
ravs da ukve isedac sqeltani-
an `sabraldebo~ toms
yoveldRe axal fur-
cels umatebs?
Zneli misaxvedria
es?
Tqven ra, Rm-erTma nu qnas dabiZina ivaniSvi-ls karze rommiukakuneben, mx-olod maSin api-rebT laSqrisdaZvras?
garwmunebT,gviani iqneba,ver miuswrebTda verc uSve-liT.
_ Tu saWiro gaxde-
ba, cixeSic Cavjdebi.
cixeSi jdomis ar meSi-
nia, _ ganacxada batonma biZinam.
miuxedavad imisa, rom am
gancxadebaSi ivaniSvilis Seu-
povari da uSiSari xasiaTi kar-
gad Cans, arc es gancxadeba
momwons maincdamainc...
dauSvebelia imis fiqrad
gavlebac ki, rom SeiZleba saa-
kaSvilis cixeSi biZina ivaniS-
vili ijdes...
es rom ar moxdes, CaurTeT
xalxs mikrofoni, batonebo...
giorgigamezardaSvili
dauSvebelia imis fiqrad gavlebac ki, rom SeiZleba
saakaSvilis cixeSi biZina ivaniSvili ijdes
6 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
gvesaubreba eqsperti kavkasiis
sakiTxebSi mamuka areSiZe
_ batono mamuka, saxelisuflebo
televiziebma da opoziciam evropar-
lamentSi gamarTul debatebze urTi-
erTgamomricxavi informaciebi gaavr-
celes. sad aris simarTle?
_ simarTle rogorc yovelTvis
SuaSia. minda evroparlamentSi ga-
marTuli debatebis struqtura da
formati gagacnoT. Tumca, manamde
unda giTxraT, Tu rogor muSaobs
evroparlamenti. aq sxvadasxva qvey-
nis politikuri warmomadgenloba
erTiandeba, magram arsebobs ramdeni-
me transevropuli partia, romlebic
evroparlamentSia warmodgenili. maT
rigs ganekuTvneba, magaliTad, evro-
pis saxalxo partia _ esaa ramode-
nime, sxvadasxva tipis partiebis kon-
glomerati, sadac sxvadasxva qveynis
warmomadgenlebi arian Tavmoyrilni.
saxalxo partia adre qristian-de-
mokratiuli aliansi iyo. dRes evro-
paSi ramodenime aseTi tipis alian-
sia: erTia-saxalxo partia, meore _
social-demokratiuli partiebis er-
Tianoba da mesame _ evropis libera-
luri partia. vimeoreb, am partiebSi
sxvadasxva erovnebis, partiuli kuT-
vnilebis adamianebi, erTiandebian,
romelTac erTnairi faseulobebi
aqvT. social-demokratebi _ memar-
cxeneebi arian, danarCeni zogi libe-
rali, zogic memarjvene mimarTule-
bisaa. saxalxo partiaSi saqarTvelo-
dan `qristian-demokratebi~ da
`nac.moZraobaa~ gaerTianebuli. sxva-
Ta Soris, Zalian sainteresoa, rom
`nacionaluri moZraobis~ liderebi
mudmivad liberalur faseulobebze
akeTeben aqcents, am dros, gaerTiane-
bulni arian ara liberalur koali-
ciaSi, aramed saxalxo partiaSi, ro-
melsac ufro memarjvene pozicia
aqvs. `Tavisufali demokratebi~ da
`respublikelebi~ ki liberalur ko-
aliciaSi arian. praqtikulad im
dRes evroparlamentis sxdomaze ev-
ropis saxalxo partiis da libera-
luri gaerTianebis brZola iyo. es
iyo sufTa koniunqturuli brZola,
saqarTvelos sakiTxi ubralod foni
iyo da meti araferi. sul 12 adami-
ani gamovida _ 5 saxalxo partiis
warmomadgeneli, romelic opozicias
aginebda da xelisuflebas icavda, 4
liberali, romelic opozicias icav-
da da xelisuflebas aginebda, xolo
danarCeni 3 neitraluri iyo. magali-
Tad, roca rom pei TbilisSi imyofe-
boda sxva ram Tqva, misma moadgilem
evrokavSirSi ki _ absoluturad
sxva ram rac Seexeba imas, Tu ras
fiqroben am Sexvedraze CvenTan _
erTni amboben, rom es antisaxeli-
suflebo Sekreba iyo, meoreni ki sa-
pirispiros amtkiceben. simarTle
sadRac SuaSia.
_ magram riT aris opoziciisT-
vis es debatebi warma-
tebuli?
_ erTi imiT, rom es
debatebi Sedga, rasac
Zalian didi mniSvnelo-
ba aqvs. saqarTveloSi
yvelaferi rigze rom
iyos, debatebi ar Sedgeboda. evro-
parlamentis wevrebma ician, rom sa-
qarTveloSi arCevnebamde mimavali
gza vardebiT mofenili araa. ai, amis
gamo Sedga debatebi. es faqti mety-
velebs, rom saqarTvelos xelisuf-
leba ver uzrunvelhyofs arCevnebis
normalurad Catarebas da demokra-
tiuli fonis Seqmnas. getyviT ima-
sac, rom CemTvis absoluturad ara-
viTari mniSvneloba ar aqvs, ra ila-
paraka evroparlamentSi dapirispire-
bulma mxarem, imitom rom, es ar
aris saqarTveloze gulSematkivari
adamianebis saubari. pirvel rigSi, es
iyo urTierTdapirispirebuli parti-
ebis debatebi. aseTive warmatebiT Se-
iZleboda debatebi gaemarTaT Temaze
_ balaxi mwvanea Tuki lurji, Tu
es evropuli politikisTvis aqtua-
luri iqneboda. mTavaria, rom deba-
tebi gaimarTa, rac udavod saqarTve-
los opoziciis aqtivSia da xeli-
suflebis pasivSi, imitomac iyo es
ukanaskneli am debatebis winaaRmdegi
_ precendentis Seqmna ar undodaT.
_ Tumca, rodesac evroparlamen-
tis wevrebis debatebs vusmendi, mo-
meCvena, rom ivaniSvilis mlanZRvele-
bis teqstebi Zalian waagavda `naci-
onaluri moZraobisas~.
_ aseTi SegrZneba imitom gagiCn-
daT, rom isini Sesabamisad iyvnen da-
rigebulni. modiT, amas teqnikurad
SevxedoT: saqarTvelos xelisufle-
bas debatebis gamarTva ar undoda da
Sesabamisad amisTvis mzad ar iyo. Se-
sabamisad, lobistebis mier, maTi
mxardamWeri evropeli politikose-
bis momzadeba faci-fuciT moxda. aqe-
dan gamomdinare, rasac aq xelisuf-
lebis warmomadgeneli ambobs, iq igi-
ves landsbergisi imeorebda. sawina-
aRmdego mxaris argumentacia ufro
meti iyo imitom, rom evropel libe-
ralebs saqarTveloSi Seqmnil situ-
aciaze informacia miewodeba ara mar-
to maTi mokavSire partiebisgan
_`Tavisufali demokratebisa~ da
`respublikelebisgan~, aramed saer-
TaSoriso organizaciebisganac. am pa-
TosiT gansxvavdeboda maTi gamosvle-
bi. Tu, vTqvaT, evropeli saxalxo
partiis gamomsvlelebi, saqarTvelos
xelisuflebis wevrebis saubars ime-
orebdnen, liberalebis SemTxvevebSi
saerTaSoriso organizaciebis mier
gakeTebuli zogadi Sefasebebic
JRerdeboda. aq kidev erTi, Zalian
mniSvnelovani niuansia _ orive Sem-
TxvevaSi lobistebis muSaoba Canda.
lobisturi organizaciebi efeqtu-
rad muSaoben rogorc xelisufle-
bis, ise opoziciis warmomadgenlebi.
rogor ar Canda. opoziciis
mxardamWerebis gamosvlebi ufro
saqmiani iyo, vidre xelisuflebis.
strasburgSi 12 lobisti kompania
aqtiurobs. nawili _ 8 _ xelisuf-
lebas hyavs daqiravebuli, 4 _ opo-
zicias. amaSi gasakviri araferia. es
msoflio politikaSi miRebuli
praqtikaa, rac Tavisi arsiT SeiZle-
ba cinikuria, realur suraTs ar
warmoadgens, magram politikuri
brZolis wesia.
_ xSirad mesmis opoziciidan _
axla sul sxva mdgomareobaa da ar-
CevnebSi aucileblad gavimarjvebTo.
Tumca axlo warsulSi gvqonda Sem-
degi mocemuloba _ maTias iorSma
xelisuflebas arCevnebi `gauprava~,
mailsma _`vardebis revolucia~ mog-
viwyo, basma _ 26 maisi. ra, sxva
mdgomareobaa axla ra gvaqvs ukeTesi
_ is rom ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobas
ar aZleven, qonebas auqcionze hyidi-
an Tu ra?
_ araferi ukeTesi mdgomareoba
ar aris, maT Soris arc dasavleTe-
li, CrdiloeTeli mokavSireebis Tu
mtrebis mxridan. mdgomareoba zus-
tad iseTivea da arc arasodes Seic-
vleba. rac ufro daCaCanakebulad ga-
moCndebi maT TvalSi, miT uaresad
mogepyrobian. maSin roca, saxelmwi-
fom yvelaferi gaakeTa imisTvis, rom
xalxs da TviTonac Rirseba daekar-
ga, am fonze Zalian rTulia maRal
materiebze ilaparako. Zalian mniSv-
nelovania, rom saxelmwifos morali
hqondes, ers hqondes Rirseba. rode-
sac saxelmwifos morali da ers ki
Rirseba aqvs dakarguli, Zalian Zne-
lia pativiscemiT mogepyron. rac Se-
exeba `qarTuli ocnebis~ zogierT
warmomadgenels, romelic ambobs,
rom axla yvelaferi sxvagvarad da
ukeTesadaa, mec `qarTuli ocnebis~
warmomadgeneli var, magram ase ar
vlaparakob da arc arasdros vityvi
amas, imitom rom am kuTxiT bevri sa-
muSaoa. rasakvirvelia, mocemuloba
bevrad ukeTesia. xelT didi plusi
gvaqvs _ eris konsolidacia, rac
orma faqtorma ganapiroba _ biZina
ivaniSvilis politikaSi Semosvlam
da im katastrofulma Secdomebma,
rac `nac.moZraobam~ dauSva. erT-er-
Ti Secdomaa xalxis azris absolu-
turi ignorireba. am makonsolidire-
bel energias swori warmarTva sWir-
deba da ara _ gafantva. aqedan gamom-
dinare, sul sxva mdgomareoba ar
aris. Tu Cveni partniorebis, mtre-
bis pativiscema ar davibruneT, ara-
feri gamogviva. xSir SemTxvevaSi,
ver vxedav, rom konkretuli adamia-
nebi, vinc amboben, rom yvelaferi
kargadaa, am kuTxiT raimes akeTeben,
amaze orientirebulni ar arian.
xSir SemTxvevaSi im adamianebis miC-
qmalva, gverdze gaweva xdeba, visac
am kuTxiT amindis Seqmna SeuZliaT,
anu eris energetikis sworad war-
marTva.
_ ase Tu gagrZelda, aSkaraa xe-
lisufleba ivaniSvilis politikuri
procesebidan CamoSorebas martivad
SeZlebs. faqtebi saxezea, dawyebuli
moqalaqeobis daubrunebulobiT, dam-
Tavrebuli qonebis dayadaRebiT da
a.S. am dros ra gvaZlevs optimizmis
safuZvels? aSkaraa, xelisufleba
gadamwyveti safinalo dartymisTvis
emzadeba. Tqven rogor warmogidgeni-
aT, ra iqneba finalSi?
_ iciT raSia saqme? _ me safi-
nalo dartymas ar velodebi, aramed
safinalo dartymebis cikls. dRes
cota sxva viTarebaa Semdegi Tval-
sazrisiT _ ianvar-TebervalSi ga-
nuwyvetliv Tavis marTlebis reJimSi
viyaviT. axla, Tavis gasamarTlebeli
piriqiT xelisuflebas aqvs. biZina
ivaniSvilma Seqmna foni, rodesac xe-
lisufleba iZulebulia mudmivad
kontrRonisZiebebze ifiqros, amis
gamo, igi Secdomebs uSvebs _ qone-
bis dayadaRebebs da a.S. es, maT Za-
lian cudad moubrundebaT. Zalian
mikvirs konstituciur sasamarTlo-
Si am kanonis miRebisTanave `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ mxridan, saCivari ratom
ar Sevida. amaze pasuxi dRemde ver
miviRe. miuxedavad imisa, rom pro-
cesss ver movigebdiT, es Zalian
mniSvnelovani faqtori iqneboda,
radgan dasavleTSi yuradRebiT adev-
neben Tvals nebismieri tipis anti-
konstituciur qmedebas.
kidev erTi ram minda aRvniSno _
xelisuflebaSi roca xar biZina iva-
niSvilis buneba unda icode, raTa
aseTi pirobebi ar Seuqmna mas. ra-
tom? _ ivaniSvili krizisuli situ-
aciis marTvis menejeri. es misi
stiqiaa. rac ufro mZime viTarebaa,
Tavs ise grZnobs, rogorc Tevzi
wyalSi. ivaniSvilma Tqva, Tu undaT
gayidon banki-o. e.i. mas aqvs yovel-
Tvis 3-4-5-6 varianti im SemTxveva-
Si, rodesac krizisuli situaciaa.
amdenad xelisuflebis mTavari Sec-
doma isicaa, rom ar ician, rogor
tips eTamaSebian da rogori wesebiT.
Cemi mxridan SemiZlia aseTi pozicia
davafiqsiro _ ar aris problema, Tu
undaT ofisebic waiRon, saxlSi vi-
muSavebT, magram es aRSfoTebuli
adamianis naTqvami iqneba. ivaniSvili
seriozulad fiqrobs aseT SemTxve-
vebzec da ukve gaTvlili aqvs samo-
mavlo nabijebi, anu ivaniSvilma xe-
lisuflebas TamaSis garkveuli we-
sebi SesTavaza, xelisufleba am vel-
Si moZraobs da Secdomebs uSvebs.
aqedan gamomdinare, ivaniSvili kont-
rRonisZiebebs awarmoebs, oRond mis
mier SeTavazebuli TamaSis wesebis
mixedviT.
_ batono mamuka, es gasagebia,
magram Zalian xSirad mesmis koali-
ciis wevrebisgan, rom ivaniSvilze
teroristuli aqti mzaddeba. es Tu
asea, Sesabamis zomebs ratom ar
iRebT?
_ aseTi tipis gancxadeba SeiZ-
leba or SemTxvevaSi gakeTdes: erTi
_ roca marTla gaqvs informacia da
meore _ roca prevencias axden. un-
da giTxraT, piradad mqonda infor-
macia, rom aseTi tipis qmedeba _ iva-
niSvilis likvidacia mzaddeboda da
ar iqneboda gamoyenebuli cecxlsas-
roli iaraRi, aramed sxva tipis
iaraRi, romlis Sinaarss ver gavamJ-
Ravneb. ar vici, ra xarisxis dacva
aqvs ivaniSvils, magram vici, rom es
garemoebebi gaTvaliswinebuli aqvs.
mniSvnelovani sxva ramaa _ ivaniSvi-
lis TamaSis wesebiT moTamaSe xeli-
sufleba, Tavisi bunebidan gamomdina-
re, gamoricxuli araa ukidures zo-
mebze wavides da sisxli daRvaros.
mereTis epizodi amas mowmobs. aseTi
tipis msxverpli mosalodnelia xe-
lisuflebisgan, es Riad Cans. es ma-
Sinebs, Torem danarCeni evroparla-
mentis wevrebis mosazrebani, qonebis
dayadaReba, Tundac Tavdasxma ivaniS-
vilze, romelic uSedegod dasrul-
deba, deportaciac ki, ver Secvlis
saerTo suraTs. am sakanonmdeblo
formatSi deportacia gamoricxu-
lia. Tumca, SeiZleba asec moxdes,
rom kanoni Secvalon, asec rom mox-
des deportirebuli adamiani aTjer
ufro gmiri xdebda, vidre adgilze
darCenili. bevri deportirebuli
adamiani vici, visac ucxoeTidan mo-
uwyvia revolucia, swored imitom,
rom nacionaluri gmiris tolfasi
gamxdara. weRan giTxariT, rom iva-
niSvili krizisuli situaciebis mar-
Tvis menejeria. es gansakuTrebuli
fsiqotipia, romelic marTvis pult-
Tan mokvdeba, magram fexs ar moicv-
lis. es aris adamiani, romelic bo-
lomde ibrZvis, aseTi buneba arguna
mas gamCenma.
_ sakadro cvlilebebzec minda
gkiTxoT. bevri Tvlis, rom baCo axa-
laias daniSvna Sss ministrad biZina
ivaniSvilis faqtoriTaa ganpirobe-
buli.
_ axalaiasnairi pirovneba wamsv-
lelia ivaniSvilis daWeraze, magram
ras moitans es ver vxedav, rom am
daWeriT SeiZleba procesis likvida-
cia moxdes. Tu xelisufleba ivaniS-
vilis daWeris fonze Caatarebs ar-
Cevnebs, es arCevnebi apriori miuRe-
beli iqneba. erevanSi xalxi daxoces,
baqoSi mitingi daarbies, magram es
yvelaferi arCevnebis Semdeg moxda.
arCevnebamde amis gakeTeba xelisuf-
lebas gauWirdeba, radgan es poli-
tikuri procesis gaCerebas niSnavs.
_ dasawyisSi axseneT aseTi muSa-
obiT procenti ver gaizrdebao. ro-
gorc Cans, bolomde kmayofili ar
xarT muSaobiT. bevri Tqveni kolega
acxadebs, gamarjvebulebi varTo.
_ rac Seexeba imas, rom morCa,
gamarjvebulebi varT _ es tyuilia.
araferi gamarjvebulebi ar varT
jer, magram arc wagebulebi varT. vi-
meoreb, 50-50-is doneze varT gaCere-
buli, roca vambob, meti muSaobaa sa-
Wiro, amas gulistkivili, malapara-
kebs, ar minda, ratom movatyuo Tqve-
ni mkiTxveli, TviTon ver xedaven Tu
ra?! magram am fonze aqciebi sul
sxva datvirTvis matarebelia. anu,
ucnauri ram moxda _ regionis Sida
konsolidacia, rac saqarTvelosTvis
am formiT ucxo xilia, Torem
kuTxuroba yovelTvis iyo. regionis
Sida konsolidacias Zalian Seuwyo
xeli am aqciebma. axla regionebi er-
TmaneTs ejibrebian, procentuli
TvalsazrisiT visTan ufro meti
xalxi miva. guriaSi kiTxulobdnen _
mitingze modixar? pasuxi iyo _ ma-
gaze ukeTes adgilze sad wavalTo.
mTavaria _ es resursi ar davkargoT.
zogierT StabSi mxarTeZoze arian
wamowolilni, arada imaze unda
fiqrobdnen resursi ar daikargos,
dagrovili energiis realizacia
sworad moxdes. ase rom gamarjvebis
Sansi uzarmazaria, ubralod, proce-
sis swored warmarTvaa saWiro, raTa
Sedegi miviRoT.
Tamar SveliZe
xelisuflebam ver gaigo, rom biZina
ivaniSvili krizisuli situaciebis
marTvis menejeria _ es gansakuTrebuli
fsiqotipia, romelic marTvis pultTan
mokvdeba, magram fexs ar moicvlis...
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goga xaindrava: gatarebuli
sakadro cvlilebebi gamoiwvevs ru-
seTis faqtoris (rolis) gaZliere-
bas saqarTveloSi. radgan merabiSvi-
li rom ruseTis kacia, eWvi aRara-
vis ar unda eparebodes. mTeli
rigi warmatebebi, rac ruseTs
gaaCnia saqarTvelos teritorie-
bis miTvisebaSi, kodoris xeoba-
sa Tu cxinvalSi, uSualod vano
merabiSvilis monawileobiT xor-
cieldeboda. garda amisa, merabiS-
vils iseTi piari saqarTveloSi
ar hqonia, rogorc rusul presaSi.
es ar aris mxolod interviuebi, es
aris politikosebis wiTeli Sefe-
rilobis Sefasebebi misi reformat-
ruli niWis Sesaxeb. xolo Tu ref-
ormis popularizacias axdenda, ro-
gorc Tavad ambobs, raRa ruseTSi
axdenda, maincdamainc ruseTi ratom
iyo dainteresebuli am miRwevebis
gaSuqebiT?! jgufma, romelic rusu-
li interesebis gamtarebeli iyo sa-
qarTveloSi, pirdapir miiRo dava-
leba da es davaleba Seasrula sa-
akaSvilma.
rac Seexeba Sida dapirispirebas,
bunebrivia, axalaia ar Seasrulebs
merabiSvilis brZanebebs. axalaia im-
denad gadidkacda, es boganoebs xSi-
rad mosdiT xolme, sulac ar
Tvlis aucileblad, Tavisi gadawy-
vetilebebi SeuTanxmos merabiSvils.
merabiSvili marTavda yvelafers, ne-
bismieri ministri iyo misi xelis
biWi. axalaias SemTxvevaSi es ese ar
iqneba. axalaias pirdapiri urTiero-
ba aqvs saakaSvilTan da mas merabiS-
vili ar sWirdeba.
Zalian mniSvnelovania meore axa-
lias daniSvna Tavdacvis saminist-
roSi. ori Zalovani sturqtura,
romlis imedzea darCenili saakaSvi-
li da, me vfiqrob, rom absolutu-
rad usafuZvlod, am sakadro cvli-
lebiT sakuTari xelqveiTebis daq-
vemdebarebaSi moaqcia. jarSi arc
arasodes hqonia saakaSvils dasayr-
deni, miT ufro 2008 wlis agvis-
tos mere. xolo Sss-Si yovelTvis
iyo merabiSvilis kulti, misi xal-
xi da ara saakaSvilis kulti.
es ar aris Segnebuli gadawyve-
tileba, es aris maniakaluri gadawy-
vetileba, radgan saakaSvili didi
xania ukve absoluturad degradire-
bul mdgomareobaSia. ubralod mera-
biSvilis arseboba imeds aZlevs sa-
akaSvils, rom igi Tundac politi-
kur gvamad qceuli gaagrZelebs am
qveynis marTvas raRac formebSi.
amavdroulad, maniakaluri mdgoma-
reobidan gamomdinare, aravis aRar
endoba. yvelaze didi safrTxe
politikuri TvalsazrisiT, misTvis
swored merabiSvilia. mas esmis, rom
erTaderTi gadarCenisSansi merabiSvilisTvisaris saakaSvilis CaSveba,ufro sworad Carecxva,rasac is aucileblad ga-naxorcielebs.
saakaSvilma kargad ic-is, rom gapremiereba aris
vanos uZlevelobis miTisdangreva. merabiSvilsaranairad ar sWirdebo-da premieris posti, ise-dac premieri iyo, rasacundoda, imas akeTebda.dRes ki is iZulebulia te-leviziaSi iaros. misipirvelive gamosvla par-lamentSi iyo imis dastu-ri, rom es adamiani aris
sruli uvici, wera-kiTxvis ucodinari.
axalaia Seecdeba gaaZlie-
ros Tavisi xalxi Sss-Si. mar-
Talia, is prezidentis ndobiT
sargeblobs, magram damoukide-
bel TamaSs ver iTamaSebs. is
gadabmulia saakaSvilTan cal-
saxad da mxolod saakaSvilTan
erTad warmoudgenia Tavisi ar-
seboba saerTod; politikaSi
magas araferi esaqmeba, radgan
ar icis, ar aris politikosi.
...maisis da ivnisis aqciebma
aCvena, rom xalxs vanosi aRar
eSinia, amitom saakaSvilma
ifiqra, ufro cofian ZaRls
moviyvano. yvelam icis, rom axalaia
sisxlismsmelia, igi sakuTari xe-
liT awamebda patimrebs. es aris sa-
akaSvilis pirdapiri mesiji xalxi-
sadmi, vano xom iyo sastiki, axla
sastiki ki ara, pirdapir kaciWamia
movida da gatokeba ar gabedoTo.
merabiSvilis premierad daniSvna
imis maniSnebelia, rom mmarTvel
gundSi didi dapirispirebaa.
maT ician, rom saakaSvili
politikuri gvamia, magram
nacmoZraobas sadaveebis xe-
lidan gaSveba namdvilad ar
unda.
kaxi kalaZe: minda mad-loba gadavuxado saqarTve-
los mosaxleobas, romelmac
miuxedavad amdeni daSinebi-
sa, mainc moaxerxa „qarTuli
ocnebis“ aqciebze mosvla.
gamgeblebi, rwmunebulebi
dadian soflebSi da aSineben
xalxs, zogs daxmarebis mox-
sniT, zogs samsaxuridan
gaSvebiT. aseTi xalxis 99%
ambobs, rom SeiZleba axla
ver gamovideT aqciaze,
magram oqtomberSi Cvens azrs dava-
fiqsirebT.
sainformacio Seteva Cemze, mgo-
ni Cacxra, ar vici, awi ras damabra-
leben. me arasodes mqonia saqme qur-
dul samyarosTan. amis damadasture-
beli aranairi faqti ar arsebobs,
Cemi diskreditaciis mcdeloba
gamowveuli iyo Cemi bolo gancxa-
debebiT, politikaSi mosvlis sur-
viliT da biZina ivaniSvilis gundSi
yofniT. ar miyvars sakuTar Tavze
laparaki, magram ukan moxedvis nam-
dvilad ar mrcxvenia, CemTvis mora-
li, adamianoba, kacoba, yvelaferze
maRla dgas.
miSa namdvilad ar minaxavs mi-
lanSi, batonma biZinam ubralod
ixumra. arc is fotoebi gadamiRia.
es adamiani fsiqologiurad gauwo-
nasworebelia. man Camoayaliba poli-
ciuri saxelmwifo. ufro sworad
zonder-policia. Torem Tavad po-
licia saxelmwifosTvis marTlac
mniSvnelovania. ar minda Seuracx-
yofa mivayeno maT, vinc policiis
mundirs atarebs, magram arian zon-
der-policielebi, romlebic ukano-
no davalebebs asruleben.
ar vici, ra davarqva me-rabiSvilis premier-mi-nistrad daniSvnas - dawi-naureba Tu daqveiTeba.axalaias daniSvniT ki mi-viRebT zonder-policias.Tumca es cvlilebebi dagadaadgilebebi namdvi-lad ver SeaCerebs imas,rac dawyebulia. mindavuTxra saqarTvelos mo-saxleobas, rom Cven auci-leblad vizeimebT da er-Tad avixdenT „qarTulocnebas“.
politikaSi mosvlamdec, roca
me Cemi pozicia davafiqsire Tundac
demesTan dakavSirebiT, Cemi nacnobe-
bi nacmoZraobidan uceb gaifantnen.
kargad mesmis maTi. Cveulebriv mo-
saxleobasac eSinia opozicionereb-
Tan Sexvedra, eSiniaT, ar dainaxos
ubnis rwmunebelma Tu gamgebelma.
giorgi rom daiWires, me damikav-
Sirda erT-erT maRalCinosani da
miTxra, advokatebma kargad ician,
ra unda gakeTdes, rom giorgi gareT
iyoso. es imas niSnavda, rom am ada-
mians unda eRiarebina danaSauli da
Semdgariyo saproceso garigeba.
magram deme sastik uarze iyo. vici,
ramdenad Znelia iq yofna, magram
ufro Znelia aRiaro is, rac ar Ca-
gidenia.
ra Tqma unda, me misaubria Cvens
TanagundelebTan, biWebi darwmunebu-
li arian giorgis udanaSaulobaSi,
magram valdebuls veravis gavxdi,
xmamaRla daafiqsiros Tavisi azri.
dRes qveyanaSi yvelaferi politi-
zirebulia. rodesac nakrebs vtoveb-
di, is werili, romelic federaci-
am gamoaqveyna, rogor fiqrobT, fe-
deraciis prezidentis dawerilia?!
es iyo zemodan motanili werili da
federacias daavales, xeli moewe-
raT.
Semdegi aqcia iqneba gorSi. kar-
gad vici, ra ganwyobaa soflebSi,
raionebSi. Tavad rom ar vxedavde
ra gaWirvebaSi cxovrobs xalxi, Se-
iZleba sxvisi naambobi arc dameje-
rebina. soflebSi faqtiurad axal-
gazrda aRaraa darCenili da es bu-
nebriviacaa. radgan iq aranairi per-
speqtiva araa muSaobisTvis. dRiTi
dRe izrdeba emigrantTa ricxvi.
ojaxebi ingreva. oTxi weli rom qa-
li ojaxidan iqneba wasuli, is oja-
xi dangreulia, aba ra aris?!
moamzada xaTuna Toduam
saakaSvilma ukve aRar icis, ra qnas
da, faqtobrivad, axla Tavs imSvidebs
am CanacvlebebiT; xan vano Secvlis vi-
Racas, xan _ baCo da hgonia, rom amiT
rames miaRwevs, magram wasulia amaTi saqme. er-
Ti ki ara, aTi vano rom daniSnon im Tanamde-
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dedamiwas or TveSi ucxoplanetelebi
Semoesevian, vikiliksi da Tu saqarTve-
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“qarTul ocnebasTan” TvalTmaqcur ga-
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gvesaubreba koalicia `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ politikuri sabWos
wevri aleqsi petriaSvili
_ batono aleqsi, evroparla-
mentSi gamarTul debatebs pira-
dad eswrebodiT. rogoria Tqveni
TvaliT danaxuli realoba?
_ pirvel rigSi, unda aRiniS-
nos, rom es debatebi Cveni qveynis-
Tvis Zalian mniSvnelovani iyo. mis
mniSvnelovnebas is faqtic amZaf-
rebs, rom saqarTvelos sakiTxi
egviptis da siriis sakiTxebTan
erTad ganixiles. Cveni _ `Tavisu-
fali demokratebisa~ da `respub-
likelebis~ miwveva evropis libe-
ral-demokratiuli aliansis mier
moxda. am debatebis gamarTvas na-
cionaluri moZraoba _ evropis
saxalxo partia seriozul wina-
aRmdegobas uwevda. raoden gasak-
viric ar unda iyos, komunistebic
am debatebis winaaRmdegni iyvnen
da mxars mixeil saakaSvilis po-
zicias uWerdnen. vTvli, rom ev-
roparlamentSi gamarTuli deba-
tebi saqarTvelos da ara `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ an `nac. moZraobis~
gamarjveba iyo. saqarTvelo seri-
ozuli yuradRebis centrSi moeq-
ca. evrokavSiris vice-prezidentis
eStonis saxeliT gakeTebuli gan-
cxadeba mkafiod metyvelebs imaze,
rom saqarTveloSi mimdinare pro-
cesebi _ oponentebis politikuri
devna da a.S. saerTaSoriso Taname-
gobrobisTvis miuRebelia.
minda aRvniSno, xelisufleba
saerTaSoriso urTierTobebis
sferoSic Tavisi politikuri Za-
lis interesebis gatarebas cdi-
lobs da Sedegad saelCoebis, mi-
siebis xelmZRvanelebi dakavebul-
ni arian ara qveynis imijze, ke-
TildReobaze zrunviT, aramed er-
Ti politikuri Zalis _`naciona-
luri moZraobis~ kargad warmoCi-
nebiT da meoris _ `qarTuli oc-
nebis~ dakninebiT, SeuracxyofiT.
magram es realurad ar muSaobs.
evroparlamentSi pirdapir gaJ-
Rerda, rom dRes aravis aqvs uf-
leba konkretuli politikuri Za-
lis finansur SesaZleblobebs, mis
saqmianobas administraciuli re-
sursiT da politikuri devniT xe-
li SeuSalos. am mowodebebiT ga-
movidnen `mwvaneebi~, `social-de-
mokratebi~. momaval kviras evro-
pis saxalxo partiis iniciativiT
evrokavSiris warmomadgenelTa vi-
zitia dagegmili.
_ debatebisas, TiTqmis yvela
gamomsvlelma, ivaniSvilis rusul
fulze gaakeTa aqcenti.
_ samwuxarod, evroparlamen-
tarebi informacias calmxrivad
iReben. arada, roca saubari ru-
seTzea, yvelam viciT, rom saakaS-
vilma ekonomikis didi nawili
swored maT misca. `raoesi~ SeiZ-
leba imave rangSi aviyvanoT, ro-
gorc `gazpromi~. igi imave rangis
kremlis mier kontrolirebadi
kompaniaa. aseve, `bilaini~, `vi-Ti-
bi~ banki. `Tbilisis wyali~ Tavi-
dan bolomde rusuli kompaniis
kuTvnilebaa da igi gansazRvravs
Cvens gadasaxadebsac, sakuTar
mogebasac da Sesabamisad, xe-
lisuflebis warmomadgenle-
bis mogebasac. ruseTis mimar-
TulebiT Zalian aqtiurad
muSaobs yofili Tavdacvis
ministri daviT kezeraSvili,
romelic moskovis xSiri
stumaria. mas albaT, ukve ga-
dauara im gancdebma, gulis-
wyromam 2008 wlis omis period-
Si da Semdgom rom hqonda. evro-
parlamentarebs, vinc amiT apeli-
rebdnen, vuTxariT ra ganacxada
biZina ivaniSvilma, rom mas, praq-
tikulad, ruseTSi biznesi aRar
gaaCnia. arian adamianebi, visac
`nac.moZraobis~ xelisuflebis
warmomadgenlebTan raRac valde-
bulebebi aqvT da rogorc Cans,
maT bolomde uerTguleben. mag-
ram mTavari, es araa. mTavaria qar-
Tveli xalxis neba. veraviTari ga-
redan moxdenili zewola, gancxa-
deba Tu gzavnili da saerTod ve-
raferi Secvlis qarTveli xalxis
nebas. win veravin aRudgeba da ve-
ravin moaxerxebs qarTveli xal-
xis neba saTavisod moixmaros.
mniSvnelovania isic, rom evropar-
lamentSi, kuluarul saubrebSi,
saqarTveloSi bolos ganxorcie-
lebulma sakadro cvlilebebma di-
di interesi gamoiwvia. aravisTvis
ucxo, siaxle ar aris ras warmo-
adgens axalaiebis klani, ubra-
lod, maT ainteresebdaT, ras niS-
navda es gadaadgileba _ erTi kon-
kretuli Zalis gaZlierebas Tu
Sida politikur TamaSebs. Tundac
Cvens mimarT skeptikurad ganwyo-
bil evroparlamentarebSic ki imis
xseneba, rom erTi Zma Sss-s minis-
tria, meore _ Tavdacvis minist-
ris moadgile da mama _ samegre-
lo-zemo svaneTis samxareo proku-
rori, es maT saxeze Tavdapirve-
lad Rimils, mere ki gaognebas, ga-
ocebas iwvevda. amasTan dakavSire-
biT, Zalian didi SeSfoTeba gamo-
xata evrokomisarma _ fulem. man
aseve, principulad, xazgasmiT aR-
niSna, rom politikuri zewolebi,
dapatimrebebi, provokaciebi, mere-
Tis incidentis msgavsi movlenebi,
dauSvebelia. evropelebi amiT SeS-
foTebulni arian da am faqtebs
sagangaSod miiCneven.
_ mTavari albaT, mainc is iyo,
rom evroparlamentarebi ise saub-
robdnen, rogorc `nac. moZraoba~.
ori wyaro axseneT, vinc maT in-
formacia miawoda, magram Tqven iq
imyofebodiT da ra informacia mi-
awodeT Tavad maT?
_ Cven mudmivad vagzavniT in-
formaciebs. isini saqmis kursSi
CavayeneT im ukanono, danaSauleb-
riv qmedebasTan dakavSirebiT, ra-
sac xelisufleba ukanasknel pe-
riodSi gansakuTrebiT aqtiurad
axorcielebs _ Zaladobas aqti-
vistebis da kerZo seqtoris mi-
marT. amas viTom kanonis saxeliT
akeTebs. evropuli qveynis ver-
cerT kanonSi amis msgavss vera-
fers naxavT. aviRoT meore faqti
_ saRamos legaluri dokumente-
bis 700 gverdi mogvitanes da me-
ore diliT, 10 saaTze sasamarT-
loSi dagvibares. saqme arc meti,
arc naklebi, 150 milions exeba.
evroparlamentarebma gviTxres _
bunebrivia, mosamarTle sul mcire
erTTvian pauzas iRebs am SemTxve-
vaSio. rom gaiges 11 saaTze ga-
dawyvetileba ukve gamotanili
iyo, gaogdnen. es absurdia _ ase
Seafasa es qmedeba evroparlamen-
tis erT-erTma wevrma, romelic
sxvaTaSoris `nac. moZraobis~
mxardamWeri banakidanaa. aseve Cve-
ni prioritetebis ganmsazRvreli
dokumenti mivawodeT. maT kargad
ician, rom ivaniSvilis mier gaJ-
Rerebuli iniciativebi haerSi nas-
roli sityvebi araa. iq vixileT
bevri dezinformacia. sakuTari
TvaliT vixileT gamonaTqvamebis
kompilacia. sabWoTa kavSiris
droindeli broSurebi iyo momza-
debuli. mova dro da vitautas
landsbergiss Zalian Sercxveba
Tavisi sityvebis TiTqos `qarTu-
li ocnebis~ rigebSi nacisturi,
faSisturi ganwyobis politikose-
bi arian da biZina ivaniSvili amg-
vari koaliciis lideria. mas rac
daubeWdes da miawodes, is wai-
kiTxa. rac man Tqva, es rom simar-
Tle iyos, garwmunebT axla Tqven-
Tan namdvilad veRar visaubrebdi,
ufro, albaT, haagis tribunalis
CarCoebSi mogviwevda amis ganxil-
va.
_ ra reagireba mohyva evrokav-
SirSi Tqvens mier miwodebul in-
formaciebs, razec axla isaubreT.
samwuxarod, mosaxleobam mxolod
cali mxare _ deputatebis mxri-
dan ivaniSvilis lanZRva moismina
da is rom TiTqos mosawvevebs
arigebdiT, riTac xalxis televi-
zorebiT da sxva teqnikiT mosyid-
va xdeboda. riT gaaqarwyleT es
mosazrebani?
_ Cven, maTTan erTad sityva-
sityviT ganvixileT, Tu ra weria
`qarTuli ocnebis~ mosawvevze. xe-
lisuflebis mxardamWeri erT-er-
Ti evroparlamentari gvekiTxebo-
da _ rogor, am mosawvevze ar we-
ria, rom 1000 laris farglebSi
mosaxleobas ocnebas usrulebTo.
es ukve CvenTvisac Rimilis momgv-
reli iyo. sainteresoa, rom pres-
centrSi, evroparlamentarebis mi-
saReb oTaxebSi Cveni mosawvevebi
aqtiurad vrceldeboda.
_ es Tu auxseniT, mainc ratom
gakeTda mosyidvaze miniSnebebi,
xom gaiges, rom mosawvevze msgav-
si araferi ewera?
_ ra Tqma unda, avuxseniT, mag-
ram mosawvevi qarTul enazea, Cven
mas frangul da inglisur enaze
ar vbeWdavT. pirdapir unda iTq-
vas, rom evroparlamentSi yvela
politikuri Zalis mxridan Zali-
an swori, jansaRi Sefaseba gakeT-
da. maT ar uTqvamT, rom ra kargia
ivaniSvili rom modis `qarTul
ocnebasTan~ erTado, magram iTqva,
rom gamoCnda adamiani, romlis
garSemo dRes arsebuli xelisuf-
lebis sapiwoned yvelaze Zlieri
politikuri alternativa gaerTi-
anda. aseve aRiniSna, xelisufleba
barierebs uqmnis piradad biZina
ivaniSvils, raTa man ver awarmo-
os Tavisi politikuri saqmianoba,
rac aqtivistebis devnaSi, dapa-
timrebaSi, provocirebebSi, Te-
fSebis dayadaRebaSi da a.S. gamoi-
xateba. Cven vxvdebodiT evrokavSi-
ris umaRlesi komisiis warmomad-
genlebs da am adamianebis zedmi-
wevniTma codnam saqarTveloSi ar-
sebuli viTarebis Sesaxeb sasia-
movnod gamaoca. iq iyvnen konkre-
tuli adamianebi, vinc saqarTve-
loze pasuxismgebelni arian da ma-
Sinve reagireben aq momxdar faq-
tebze. informirebuloba Zalian
maRali donisaa. samwuxaroa, rom
es ar gamoCnda saxelisuflebo
televiziebis wyalobiT, magram aq
CavatareT konferenciebi da konk-
retuli adamianebi tyuilis tira-
JirebaSi vamxileT.
_ cnobilia, rom im periodSi,
roca saerTaSoriso organizaciebi
Cvens arCevnebs akvirdebodnen, ga-
yalbebis faqtebi gacilebiT meti
iyo, vidre sxva SemTxvevebSi. Ta-
nac im fonze, roca xelisufleba
ukan araferze ixevs dawyebuli
ivaniSvilis moqalaqeobis armini-
WebiT, qonebis dayadaRebiT, jari-
mebiT damTavrebuli, ra gaZlevT
aseTi optimizmis safuZvels, Tun-
dac im kuTxiT, rom arCevnebamde
mivaRwevT?
_ Zalian kargi SekiTxvaa. xe-
lisufleba, rogorc Cans, yvela-
fers akeTebs imisaTvis, raTa ar-
Cevnebamde maqsimalurad dagvasus-
tos. rac ar gvklavs, is gvaZlie-
rebs. darwmunebuli var, xelisuf-
lebis yvela mcdeloba warumate-
beli iqneba da kraxiT dasrulde-
ba, magram Tqven Zalian legitimu-
ri SekiTxva dasviT. koaliciis sa-
xeliT SemiZlia giTxraT _ swo-
red Cveni svla arCevnebis dRisken
ganapirobebs xelisuflebis pani-
kur, isteriul qmedebebs. arCevne-
bis dRes, rodesac yvelaze mTava-
ri arbitris _ qarTveli xalxis
winaSe davdgebiT, darwmunebuli
var eri swor arCevans gaakeTebs.
xelisuflebam icis, rom dRes sa-
qarTvelos mosaxleobaSi arCeva-
nis gakeTebis arnaxuli mzaobaa.
amitom, bunebrivia, xelisufleba
cdilobs `qarTuli ocneba~ sxva
saTamaSo moedanze gadaiyvanos.
Tqveni gazeTis meSveobiT minda _
Sevatyobino mas _ yvela maTi
mcdeloba warumatebeli iqneba,
arCevnebis gzidan veravin gadagvax-
vevinebs da yvelafers logikur
dasasrulamde miviyvanT.
_ batono aleqsi, mainc minda
gkiTxoT, evroparlamentSi vizi-
tisas ra STabeWdileba dagrCaT,
evrokavSiri uWers mxars qarTvel
xalxs?
_ saqarTvelos saxelisufle-
bo televiziebis mier Seqmnilma
propagandam iseTi suraTi daxata,
TiTqos evroparlamentarebi mwk-
rivSi idgnen da evroparlamenti
im dRes mets arafers akeTebda
garda imisa, rom petriaSvils, xi-
daSels, usufaSvils gadauares da
talaxSi agoravebdnen. realoba
aseTi ar yofila. nebismier Jurna-
lists SeuZlia sruli Canaweri
amoiRos da naxos. realoba aseTia
_ evrokavSiri SeSfoTebulia
dRes arsebuli mdgomareobiT, xe-
lisuflebas administraciuli
resursis gamoyenebisa da politi-
kur saqmianobaSi Carevisgan Tavis
aridebas mouwodebs. ZalTa balan-
si aseTi iyo, 12 gamomsvlelidan
_ 5 gamovida ivaniSvilis winaaRm-
deg, danarCenebi saqarTvelos sa-
sargeblod saqmianad saubrobdnen.
es debatebi evroparlamentSi zus-
tad imitom gaimarTa, rom saqarT-
veloSi movlenebi aranormalurad
viTardeba, temperatura aranorma-
lurad izrdeba.
_ xelisuflebas ar undoda am
debatebis gamarTva, Tumca Sedegi
mosaxleobas ise miawodes, ro-
gorc Tavad surdaT. rogor fiq-
robT, amis mere kidev ufro xom
ar `aiwyvets~ xelisufleba?
_ axla scenaze axalaiebis
performansis droa. amaze meti
`awyveta~ warmoudgenelia. amas,
erTaderTi SeiZleba daematos po-
litikuri liderebis, aqtiviste-
bis masiuri daWerebi, dapatimre-
bebi. angariSebi ukve daayadaRes.
albaT, Seecdebian cocxali adami-
anebic `daayadaRon~, Tumca qarT-
velma xalxma xelisuflebas aCve-
na, rac ar unda Zaladoba ixma-
ros, yadaRa daados koaliciaSi
Semaval partiebs, am process ve-
Raraferi SeaCerebs, es Seuqceva-
di procesia. soflebSi saubari
midis ara qveynis prioritetebze,
aramed gadarCenaze, SimSilis da
wyurvilis mokvlaze. xelisufle-
ba spekuliantobs, roca iZaxis,
rom maTTvis 1000 larian vauCers
daarigebs. amixsnas vinmem aris Tu
ara es amomrCevlis mosyidva?!
adamianebi arCevans TviTon gaake-
Teben.
Tamar SveliZe
vTvli, rom evroparlamentSigamarTuli debatebi
saqarTvelos gamarjveba iyo
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gvesauubrreba advokati, moZrra-
oba `errovnuulebis~ errT-eerrTi
damffuuZnebeli Salva xaWapu-riZe
_ batono Salva, axlaxan ev-
roparlamentis sxdomaze saqarT-
velos sakiTxebs mwvave debatebi
mohyva. rogor SeafasebT imas,
rac moxda strasburgSi?
_ meeWveba, zustad gadmoeca
saxelisuflebo televiziebs is,
rac moxda strasburgSi. magram
saqme isaa, rom, rodesac evro-
parlamentis sxdomaze evrosab-
Wos wevri qveynis saqme msjelo-
bis sagani xdeba, es araa ubralo
SemTxveva. sxvaTa Soris, erTma
deputatma kidevac Tqva _ ra
xdeba, ratom vixilavT saqarTve-
los sakiTxso. sakiTxavi marT-
lac iyo, radgan, rogorc Cans,
qveyanaSi iseTi mniSvnelovani ram
xdeba, rac 2008 wlis agvistos
movlenebze ufro mniSvnelovania.
2008 wlis sakiTxi evroparla-
ments ar ganuxilavs.
evrosabWos yvela deputats
haagis sarCeli saTiTaod yvelas
aqvs diskebze da SesaniSnavad
ician, vinc aris saakaSvili, ami-
tom, sainteresoa, Tu vin iyo iq
mivlenili ivaniSvilis mxridan,
aseTi saqme rom gaakeTa.
ise, ki, minda giTxraT, rom
eseni arian korumpirebuli moxe-
leebi, romlebic unda mogaxse-
noT, rom xSirad sunamoebzec ki
iyidebian. amitom am dReebSi moZ-
raoba `erovnulebi~ vapirebT
mivmarToT `evroparlaments~,
rom yvelaze cudi, rac iq mox-
da, amaze gakeTdes reagireba. Cven
eWvqveS vayenebT am deputatebis
korumpirebulebis sakiTxs.
_ ra iyo yvelaze cudi, rac
iq moxda?
_ yvelas gvaxsovs e.w. `mode-
lirebuli qronika~, rusuli
tankebi da a.S. mere biZina ivaniS-
vilis gamoCena da Zaxili _`gaz-
promis~ fuli, `gazpromis~ fu-
lio. amas mxolod WkuanaRrZobi
saakaSvili ki ar gahyviroda, ev-
roparlamentis deputatebmac ga-
imeores, anu gamzadda niadagi
Semdegi qmedebebisTvis.
_ kerZod?
_ nacionalur moZraobas aqvs
sampunqtiani samoqmedo gegma da
amas sruli pasuxismgeblobiT,
sando wyaroebze dayrdnobiT
vambob. es gegma gulisxmobs opo-
ziciis da xalxis damarcxebas.
gegmis I punqti iTvaliswinebs,
ramenairad moagrovon xmebis 15-
20 procentiT gaayalbon 60
procenti. oRond ise ki ara,
damkvirvebelma an vinmem SeniS-
nos, SemuSavebulia axali teq-
nologiebi, damkvirvebelic rom
daadges Tavze, mainc ver SeniS-
navs, ra gaakeTes _ aqvT specia-
luri fanqrebi, romelsac
frCxilSi imagreben, gadaxazaven
biuletens, gaafuWeben, an mosax-
leobis aRweris dros amateben
amomrCevlis raodenobas da rac
metia amomrCevlis raodenoba,
metia gayalbebis SesaZlebloba
da a.S.
mere Tu opozicia daiwyebs
protests gayalbebasTan dakavSi-
rebiT, amoqmedebas daiwyeben nac-
moZraobis sateliti partiebi,
romlebic ganacxadeben, rom ar-
Cevnebi Catarda patiosnad, xolo
isini, vinc protests gamoxata-
ven, arian rusuli Zala da maT
unda ufrTxildes xalxi. amito-
mac Sevlen parlamentSi da ro-
gorc ki Sevlen, maSinve xdeba
opoziciis liderebis dauyovneb-
liv dapatimreba. dasapatimre-
belTa specialuri sia ukve aris
Sedgenili da iq Cemi gvaric
aris moxseniebuli.
evroparlamentis sxdomis
Semdeg SefasebebSi nacionalurma
moZraobam ganacxada, rom `iwyeba
gadamwyveti brZola saqarTve-
losTvis~ _ es maTi sityvebia da
Tu gadamwyvet brZolazea sauba-
ri, iq Tof-iaraRzec aris lapa-
raki da bombic da zarbazanic
aris nagulisxmevi.
batonebo, nacionalurma moZ-
raobam omi gamoucxada qarTvel
xalxs da uTxra: an Cven viqne-
biT, an sakuTar sisxlSi gabana-
vebTo. ruseTis agentura xarT
da agentura unda gaviyvanoT da
davxvritoTo. es ganacxades ev-
roparlamentis Sefasebebis mos-
menis Semdeg da Tu marTla ase
moxda, pasuxismgebloba evropar-
lamentsac daekisreba amaSi.
_ batono Salva, aSS-iis elC-
ma e.w. mwvane Suqi rom aunTo xe-
lisuflebas xalxis dasarbevad,
amaze pasuxismgebloba masac ar
auRia, is ki ara, amas wi-
naT saarCevno garemoc ki
moiwona saqarTveloSi.
_ ibadeba logikuri
kiTxva: ras verCiT ameri-
kis elCs, maSin, roca arc
erT arasamTavrobo orga-
nizacias saqarTveloSi
gangaSi ar autexavs imaze,
rom saarCevno garemo sa-
qarTveloSi uvargisia.
magram, radgan midixar
arCevnebze, niSnavs, rom
Tanxmdebi xelisuflebas
im TamaSSi, rasac gTava-
zobs. aSS-mac ganacxada, rom Tu-
ki mniSvnelovani pretenziebi ar
gaqvT, arCevnebi, wesiT, normalu-
rad unda Catardeso. amerikis
elCma rac Tqva, es iyo diploma-
tiuri gancxadeba. sinamdvileSi
ki igulisxma: ar gindaT saakaS-
vili? magram Tqven masze uarese-
bi xarT, radgan mihyvebiT im Ta-
maSSi, rasac TviTon gTavazobT.
dRes mTavaria didi saxalxo er-
Tobis Camoyalibeba.
Cven am winadadebiT erTxel
SevxvdiT biZina ivaniSvils da
mas Semdeg Sexvedra veRar mova-
xerxeT. rogorc Cans, garkveuli
Zalebi xels uSlian Cvens daax-
loebas.
_`erovnulebi~ arCevnebSi mo-
nawileobas apirebT?
_ es jer ar gadagviwyvetia,
magram uaxloes erT-or kviraSi
amas gadavwyvetT. Tu ver moxer-
xda biZina ivaniSvilTan
Sexvedra da kvlavac
dagvblokes, Cven TviTon
daviwyebT regionebSi
ofisebis gaxsnas da da-
vasaxelebT Cvens maJo-
ritar deputatebs.
magram, faqtobrivad,
gamarjveba SeuZlebeli
iqneba, Tu eri ar gahyva
erT formulas: iyavi
koaliciaSi visTanac
ginda, magram SevqmnaT
saxalxo erToba.
politikosebi avc-
diT xalxis moTxovnebs.
xalxi ar gvTxovs dai-
yaviTo.
_ amas gulisxmobda `saxal-
xo krebac~.
_ ho, magram, maSin Tu ver
moaxerxe da rom ver moaxerxe,
anu uvargisebi rom viyaviT, yo-
velTvis ase xom ar unda gagr-
Zeldes?! yvela erTad unda dav-
dgeT, Torem davmarcxdebiT, sas-
tikad davmarcxdebiT am arCevneb-
Si. xalxma unda aiRos iniciati-
va, Torem eseni ganaxorcieleben
gegmas, romelic ruseTis agentu-
ram dadga saqarTvelosTvis.
rogorc batonma biZinam brZa-
na, erT muStad unda Seikras sa-
qarTvelo.
_ Tqven ganacxadeT, rom ari-
an Zalebi, romlebic xels uSli-
an Tqvens dakavSirebas `qarTuli
ocnebis~ koaliciasTan. vin arian
es Zalebi, gaumxileT sazogado-
ebas. politikosebi mudam gvpir-
debiT, rom raRacas ityviT. ga-
dis dro da arafers ambobT.
_ jer ver vityvi, radgan ax-
la mimdinareobs Cvens xelT ar-
sebuli informaciis gadamowme-
bis procesi. Cven jer vamowmebT,
roca yvelaferi gairkveva, iciT,
Cemi xasiaTi, aravis moveridebi,
gamoval da vityvi vin vin aris.
_ maSin is miTxariT, koali-
ciasTan miaxloe-
bas ratom SeiZle-
ba giSlidnen, ra
mizezi SeiZleba iyos?
_ pirvel rigSi, es SeiZleba
moxdes im mizniT, rom nel-nela
biZina ivaniSvils amzadeben dasa-
marcxeblad. anu Cveni damarcxeba
ki ar ainteresebT, biZina ivaniS-
vilis winaaRmdeg moqmedeben. imi-
tom, rom CvenTan kavSiri niSnavs
samegrelos mogebas. samegrelos
mogeba ki arCevnebis mogebas.
_ Tqven laparakobdiT, axa-
laias xelSia samegreloo da
axalaiebze meti Zala Tqven
gaqvT?
_ Cven ki ar gvaqvs Zala, zvi-
ad gamsaxurdias saxels aqvs Za-
la da masze metad im ideas aqvs
Zala, rasac gamsaxurdia qadageb-
da. dResac amiT cocxlobs sameg-
relo. amitom, am ideasTan Camo-
cileba niSnavs biZina ivaniSvi-
lis gawirvas dasamarcxeblad.
_ sxvaTa Soris, zogierTi
zviadisti ambobs: Zalian kargi,
Tu ivaniSvili damarcxdeba, ma-
inc rusuli, agresiuli Zalaao.
_ jer erTi, es aris absur-
di da meorec, tyuilad cdilobs
ruseTi axal politikur Zalebs
sakuTari iarliyi miakeros, ame-
rika arafris didebiT ar daT-
mobs saqarTvelos. es ar moxde-
ba. zogma SeiZleba ar daijeros,
magram axla vityvi pirvelad:
gaxsovT partia `samarTliano-
bis~ wevrebi rom daiWires? ax-
lac cixeSia im xalxis nawili.
dasapatimrebelTa sia, sxvaTa
Soris, ruseTidan Camovida. isini
ruseTis agentobis braldebiT
daiWires. me maTi advokati viya-
vi da vici, es ambebi. viRaca ity-
vis, es ambavi moZvelda, mas Sem-
deg daWerebs daWerebi mohyvao,
magram dRes rac xdeba `guSinde-
lis~ gagrZelebaa.
_ anu oqtombramde daWerebi
iqneba?
_ oqtombramde Tu migviyva-
nes, kargi iqneba. Tu saakaSvilma
Seatyo, rom arCevnebis saqme mis
sasargeblod ar midis, arCevnebs
aRar daucdis, seqtemberSi, sava-
raudod, represiebs daiwyebs.
policieli merabiSvili _
premier-ministrad, policieli
axalaia Sss-Si, policieli SaS-
kini, policieli dekanoiZe, po-
licia marTavs am qveyanas. mera-
biSvilis daniSvniT, faqtobri-
vad, qveyanaSi ukve meramdened
moxda saxelmwifo gadatrialeba
da saTaveSi movidnen policiele-
bi.
icodeT, xelisufleba emza-
deba sisxlisRvrisTvis da masob-
rivi represiebisTvis.
_ merabiSvilis gadayvana pre-
mier-mministrad ras SeiZleba da-
vukavSiroT, imas, rom aRar hqon-
da saakaSvils merabiSvilis ime-
di?
_ aq sul sxva ambavia. saa-
kaSvili imdenadaa gaSavebuli,
axla surT wina planze wamoswi-
on piri, visi moRvaweobac ase
Tu ise, warmatebuli iyo. es,
cxadia, mTlad ase araa, magram
mas Semdeg, rac biZina ivaniSvil-
ma ganacxada, rom merabiSvili
kargi menejeria, misma reitingma
aiwia. faqti isaa, rom aSS-i ami-
eridan, aRar dauSvebs imas, rom
saakaSvili kvlav movides xeli-
suflebaSi. mizezi martivia, ma-
kiavelis principiT: daviSaloT
imisTvis, rom xelaxla gaverTi-
andeT! axla nacionaluri moZra-
obis nawils CamoiSoreben, gacx-
rilaven Semadgenlobas, SeiZleba
saxelic ki Seicvalon. 2013
wlamde aq ambebi datrialdeba,
jer Jurnalia, kinos mere vixi-
lavT. vinc undoda da visac en-
doba, daiaxlova saakaSvilma, da-
narCeni misTvis aravin arafers
ar warmoadgens. magram, SeiZleba,
swored vano merabiSvilma gamou-
tanos magas ganaCeni.
_ Tqven rogor fiqrobT, is
Canaweri, rac gvaCvenes _ miSas
da vanos familaruli dialogi,
SesaZlebelia realobas Seesaba-
mebodes da dadgmuli scena
iyos?
_ verafers getyviT amis Se-
saxeb, magram,
SeiZleba, xelisuf-lebam daiwyos gegmisSemogdeba, TiTqos, mi-Sa, vano an koduebi dasxvebi erTmaneTs upi-rispirdebian, rom amiTopozicia miityuon mo-salaparakeblad. movu-wodeb opozicias: argadadgas arc erTi na-biji amaTken.
es iqneba didi uzneoba, rad-
gan nacmoZraobas elodeba niurn-
bergis procesis magvari rame,
albaT, quTaisSi da nu miiReben
monawileobas am ambebSi.
irandakalandaZe
biZina ivaniSvilTan Cvens Sexvedras isZalebi blokaven, romlebic ivaniSvilsnel-nela amzadeben
dasamarcxebladSeiZleba, xelisuflebam daiwyos gegmis Semogde-
ba, TiTqos, miSa, vano an koduebi da sxvebi erTmaneTs
upirispirdebian, rom amiT opozicia miityuon mosa-
laparakeblad. movuwodeb opozicias: ar gadadgas
arc erTi nabiji amaTken.
10 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa mmwweerraallii
merab SaTiriSvili::
_ batono merab, xelisuf-
lebam sazogadoebas sakadro
cvlileba SesTavaza. ras fiq-
robT merabiSvilis dawinaure-
baze, razea es gaTvlili?
_ merabiSvili, rogorc Sss
ministri, dRemde saxelmwifo
moxelis statuss inarCunebda.
igi monawileobas iRebda `nac.
moZraobis~ binZur gadawyveti-
lebebSi, magram es aSkarad ar
Canda. igi ar aRiqmeboda, ro-
gorc politikuri figura, sa-
xelmwifo moxele iyo. saxelm-
wifo moxeles, romelic saku-
Tar saqmes emsaxureba, ukan da-
saxevi gza yovelTvis aqvs. maga-
liTad, adeiSvili sazogadoe-
bisTvis, rogorc saxelmwifo
moxele, ise aRiqmeba, mas ukan
dasaxevi gza aqvs. Ase, rom miu-
xedavad imisa, merabiSvilis mi-
samarTiT rigi braldebebi gais-
moda, mas ukandasaxevi gza Sss
ministrobis periodSi mainc
hqonda. axla, misi win wamoweva
mxolod da mxolod imas moas-
wavebs, rom merabiSvils yvela
ukan dasaxevi gza gadauWres.
igi aris im sibinZuris mamamTa-
vari, rasac politikuri orga-
nizacia `nac. moZraobis~ saxiT
sCadioda. kidev vis aqvs ukanda-
saxevi gza moWrili?! _ esenia
axalaiebi. erTi Zma Sss-s saTa-
veSia, meore _ samxedro uwye-
baSi SaSkinisac. yvela gza mo-
uWres. saakaSvilma am xalxs
uTxra _ Tqven ggoniaT, marto
me momekiTxeba yvelaferi, Ti-
Toeul Tqvengans Tqveni wili
pasuxismgebloba gaqvT, yvelas
ukandasaxevi gza moWrili gaqvT
da yvelaze mkacri, araordina-
luri qmedeba unda CaidinoTo.
anu, prezidentis paTosi aseTia:
_ Tu saWiroa, unda mokla, da-
iWiro, gaZarcvo.
_ anu, merabiSvili am mo-
Txovnas ver asrulebda da axa-
laia imisTvis daniSnes, rom am
yvelaferze xelismomweria?
_ ra Tqma unda, merabiSvili
sofelSi aRzrdili kacia da
hyofnida imdeni goniereba, rom
ukan dasaxev gzas yovelTvis
itovebda. saakaSvilma axalaia
Seaqo, Zalian kargi wmenda Caa-
tare is adamianebi gaya-
re, vinc orWofobdneno.
raze orWofobdnen isi-
ni? _ `nacionalebis~
skami gavaZlieroT Tu
samSoblos vemsaxuroTo.
misTvis eleqtorati mTa-
vari ar aris. man Tqva,
rom politikas vinc me-
TamaSebiT, suleli xar-
To, radgan mas hyavs ya-
CaRebis banda, romelTa
meSveobiTac sisxls daR-
vris, magram skams ar
daTmobs. daakvirdiT, ro-
gori intensivobiT axor-
cielebs xelisufleba
ivaniSvilis ukanono da-
jarimebebs, xom SeiZleba
erTxelac man es dajarimebebis
cikli Sewyvitos da sisxlis
samarTlis saqme aRZras. saqme
swored aqeTken midis. xeli-
suflebas ukve aRar aintere-
sebs eleqtorati, misi azri.
_ rogor fiqrobT, xeli-
suflebam am sakadro cvlile-
bebiT SesaZlo sisxlisRvras
moawera xeli?
_ ra Tqma unda. saakaSvilma
amiT gadaWriT Tqva, rom misi
partia wasvlas arsad ar api-
rebs. tyuilia, vinc ambobs, rom
TiTqos xelisuflebas mainc
araferi gamouva. xelisuflebas
marTlac araferi gamouva, mxo-
lod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu arCev-
nebamde miRwevas SevZlebT. ukve
250 aTasi adamiani gamovida
ivaniSvilis aqciaze. darwmune-
buli var, `qarTuli ocnebis~
mier dawyebuli saarCevno kampa-
niis periodSi milion naxevari
amomrCeveli da `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ mxardamWeri gamova. am
fonze, saarCevno yuTTan Tu
`nacionalebis~ mogeba dafiq-
sirda, es xom absurdi iqneba.
piradad me, vxedav tendencias,
rom xelisufleba Zalismieri
meTodebiT cdilobs samSoblo
wamarTvas, faqtobrivad, poli-
tikuri niSniT pedagogiuri
uflebebis ganxorcieleba amek-
rZala, Cemi mwerloba aravis
unda, imitom rom, asparezi im
mwerlebs eTmobaT, vinc maTi
momxreebi arian. Cven ki samSob-
los gvarTmeven, samaCablo wag-
varTves, enas, sarwmunoebas
gviryvnian, gvaiZuleben aq aRar
dagvedgomebodes. aTasobiT qar-
Tvels sakuTar qveyanaSi arTme-
ven samSoblos. rogor fiq-
robT, es adamianebi ar gamovlen
quCaSi?! Zalian mikvirs, ratom
xarjavs opozicia amden energi-
as aSS-Si, evropaSi gasvlebze.
ar jobs, es energia sakuTar
xalxze daixarjos?! roca xal-
xi saTanado simaRleze dadgeba
da sakuTar samSoblos daicavs,
banditebs qveynis sabolood xe-
lSi Cagdebis uflebas ar mis-
cems, maSin gveqneba Sansi, ga-
davrCeT. xelisufleba qvemo
qarTlSi uamrav azerbaijanels
moqalaqeobas aniWebs, raTa sa-
arCevno xmebi ganimtkicon. aman
SeiZleba gamoiwvios azerbaija-
nelebis mozRvaveba, romlebic
ormagi moqalaqeobis wyalobiT
xmas miscemen am xelisuflebas.
aWaraSi 40 aTasi Turqis pas-
portizacia ratom xdeba, ro-
gor ggoniaT? _ es saarCevno
xmebzea gaTvlili. xelisufle-
ba, romelic musulmanebze hyi-
dis saarCevno xmebis gamo sa-
qarTvelos, amas isev da isev
qarTveli eri unda aRudges
win. amitom meti Zalisxmevaa
saWiro. ar aris sakmarisi wina-
saarCevnod mitingebze xalxis
moyvana. unda dafiqsirdes pro-
testi. xelisuflebis mzakvru-
li gegmis winaaRmdeg gamosvle-
bi unda daiwyos. xalxma mkafio
mesiji unda gaugzavnos xeli-
suflebas. sxva SemTxvevaSi,
samSoblos vkargavT.
_ batono merab, bolos isev
sakadro cvlilebebs minda da-
vubrundeT. rogor fiqrobT, me-
rabiSvils `gadarCenis~ ra San-
sebi aqvs?
_ radganac merabiSvilma
icis, rom mas ukan dasaxevi gza
mouWres, mas es saxezec etyo-
ba, kidev erTxel vafiqsireb,
mas aqvs Sansi, ukan daixios. man
icis, raSi iRebs monawileobas,
ra jgufis torpedos rols
TamaSobs. igi gadarCeba, mas
qarTveli xalxi gaugebs, Tu am
mkvlelebis politikas gaemij-
na. Tu ase ar moiqca, igi iyo
da darCeba mTeli am ubedure-
bis Tanamonawile, rasac nacio-
naluri boroteba hqvia. igi am
gundTan erTad iwvnevs sisxli-
an `gamarjvebasac~, damarcxeba-
sac da xalxis risxvas.
Tamar SveliZe
mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT
`kardakaris aqcia~ daiwyo `ocne-
bam~ 24 ivniss, xolo `amomrCevel-
Ta ligam~ Tbilissa da zugdidSi
_ 21 ivniss.
amomrCeveli gvexmareba siebis
dazustebaSi _ surT, rom exla ma-
inc daidos samarTliani saarCevno
siebi, gvawvdian informaciebs ezo-
dan, Tu vin aris wasuli saqarTve-
lodan ucxoeTSi, vin aris miweri-
li ezoSi da vin ar aris siaSi.
marjaniSvilis q.#59-Si ezos
Tavmjdomarem aRmoaCina, rom misi
Tanxmobis gareSe, ezoSi
Cawerili iyo 5
Cineli, maT
amosawerad bev-
rjer mivida
reestrSi da
Zlivs miaRwia mi-
zans _ amowera isi-
ni.
minda vTqva, rom Tbilisis
amomrCeveli CeRureTis raionis me-
6, me-7 da 28-e ubanze sakmaod kar-
gad aris informirebuli. maT ici-
an vin aris kacitaZis komisia, vin
aris, ̀ amomrCevelTa liga~ da ̀ qar-
Tuli ocneba~. benaSvilis quCis
erT-erT nomerSi roca mivediT,
ojaxis patronebi midiodnen ekle-
siaSi, maT Tavdapirvelad vegoneT
`nacebis~ warmomadgenlebi da ar
hqondaT survili, CvenTvis moecaT
raime informacia, roca gaiges, rom
viyaviT amomrCevelTa ligidan, Seb-
rundnen binaSi, saxlSic migvipati-
Jes da yvela saWiro informacia
mogvawodes. axalcixis quCis erT-
erT nomerSi binis mepatrone axal-
gazrda mamakacma gviTxra: _Tu `na-
cebi~ xarT saxlSi ar SemogiSveb-
To. axalcixis quCis #20 dangre-
ulia da `misamarTi ar iZebneba~ _
iq Cawerili xalxi aravin ar icis
vin aris. aseve benaSvilis q.#3 b.
saerTod ar arsebobs, Sesabamisad
iq macxovrebeli ori adamiani me-
zoblebma ar ician, vin aris. Segv-
xvdnen siaSi moqalaqeebi, romel-
Tac 10-15 wlis winaT gayiduli
aqvT binebi, magram mainc
figurireben Zveli misa-
marTis siebSi. aseTia mag.
erisTavis q.#14 Caweri-
li parlamentis Tavmj-
ris moadgile Ciora Taq-
TaqiSvili da misi mama
daviT TaqTaqiSvili. isini
aRniSnuli misamarTidan
gadavidnen 15 wlis winaT,
rac daadastura mezobel-
ma rom cxovroben vakeSi.
mezoblis mier mocemuli
telefoni 2.22.05.14 ar
pasuxobs arc diliT da
arc RamiT. saarCevno si-
ebSi uxvad arian warmodgenilni
pirebi, romlebic ar cxovroben am
misamarTze, maT aravin ar icnobs _
e.w. `miwerilebis~ _ Cawera ki
aqvT.
gorkis q.#27-Si Cawerili nana
goginaSvili-erisTavi ramdenime
wlis gardacvlilia, mis meuRles,
givi erisTavs hyavs me-2 meuRle.
gardacvlili figurirebs cocxle-
bis siaSi. aseve benaSvilis q.#12-
Si siaSi myofi vaxtang mkervaliS-
vilic gardacvlilia.
aseve gardacvlilebi arian
cocxlebis siebSi:
spicina tatiana _ ben.aSvilis
q.#9-b.; megeneiSvili SoTa _ mar-
janiSvilis q.#65; koberiZe simoni
_ z.qvlivis q.#23; tatiSvili Te-
imurazi _ z.qvlivis q.#28; ZiZigu-
ri lia _ z.qvliZis q.#28
Segxvda siebSi Cawerili moqa-
laqe ori sxvadasxva gvariT.
gubaevi Tamari; elyanaSvili Ta-
mari _ diRombaZis q.#4 (28 ubani,
CuRureTis r-ni)
aseve uxvad arian moqalaqeebi,
romlebic ar arian siebSi, sinamd-
vileSi, isini aRniSnul misamarTze
cxovroben.
mixeil SafaTava _ mamardaSvi-
lis q.#12; nunu mWedliZe _ ` _ ~
tel: 95.05.87; lela WumberiZe_
benaSvilis q#9,
tel: 94.04.48.;
Tea WumberiZe
_ benaSvilis
q.#9 tel:
94.04.48.
axalcixis
quCidan amomrCe-
velma gviTxra, rom `nace-
bis~ maJoritarobis kandidat and-
ro alaviZes _ misma koordinator-
ma Sexvedra ver mouwyo, aseve ver
mougrova 10 amomrCevlis mxardam-
Weris xelmowera. amave andro ala-
viZem 17 ivniss, e.w. `londonis~
baRSi amomrCevelTa bavSvebisTvis
amRera ansambli `gvirila~, xolo
Semdeg bavSvebs dauriges nayini, na-
yini miirTves `ocnebis~ mxardam-
WerTa Svilebmac. Semdeg ki CuRu-
reTis mikro-raionis TanamSromel-
ma xizaniSvilma bavSvebs ayvira
`madloba nacionalur moZraobaso~.
minda vuTxra q-n naTia mogelaZes:
_ es ar aris amomrCevelTa mosyid-
va?
saarCevno siebSi uxvad arian
moqalaqeebi, romlebic imyofebian
sazRvargareT. mag:
CuguaSvili lia _ axalcixis
q.#23; Coquri Sorena _ axalci-
xis q.#13; afxazava arCili _ eris-
Tavis q.#12; baSiriana elina _ ma-
mardaSvilis q.#17
yvelas xom ar CamovTvli, Cu-
RureTis raionis #10 ubanze sazR-
vargareT wasuli aris 65 moqala-
qe, `miwerili~ aris 41 moqalaqe,
gardacvlili 7 moqalaqe, siebSi
aris agreTve ucxoeTSi mcxovrebi,
moqalaqeoba, miRebulni adamianebic.
amomrCevlebma gviTxres: sagada-
saxados TanamSromeli, vinme daTo
gurgeniZe, aSinebs wvrili saqon-
liT movaWre pensionerebs, rom da-
ajarimebs 500 lariTo.
`kardakaris~ aqciiT naTeli
gaxda, rom xalxi aRar endoba xe-
lisuflebas, xalxs imedi aqvs da
ocnebobs, rom saakaSvilis xeli-
sufleba Seicvleba da cxovreba
gaumjobesdeba. `kardakaris~ aqci-
iT SemiZlia Tamamad vTqva, rom
saakaSvilis xelisufleba arCev-
nebSi xmas 10 procentamde Tu
aiRebs.
rusudan pataraia
`kardakaris~ aqciiTnaTeli xdeba, rom xalxixelisuflebas ar endoba
vano merabiSvils gadarCeniserTaderTi gza aqvs _ undagadadges da aqedan gaiqces...
11#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w. saerTo gazeTi
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.netSSeemmooggvviieerrTTddiiTT FACEBOOK-zzee
vesaubrebiT koalicia `qarTuli oc-
nebis~ warmomadgenels qalbaton ninogoguaZes
_ qalbatono nino, saganmanaTleblo
sistemaSi rom policiuri reJimi damk-
vidrda, es ukve TvalnaTelia, ras uqa-
dis es momaval Taobebs? an aseTi Ria
`TamaSi~ ar azaralebs xelisuflebas?
_ mandaturebs vCiodiT da Turme
uaresi win gveloda, dRes ukve policia
da kudia oficialurad Sesuli ganaTle-
bis sferoSi da isini ganageben iq yvela-
fers. es gaxlavT politikuri loia-
lizmis mixedviT awyobili sistema, ro-
melic ukve totalitarul
reJims emsgavseba im Tval-
sazrisiT, rom TiToeul
sistemas akontroleben
totalurad is adamianebi,
romlebic mmarTvel parti-
aSi muSaoben. Tumca, maTi
kompetencia naklebad awu-
xebs xelisuflebas.
2000 wlidan 2003
wlamde iqna SemuSavebuli
is saganmanaTleblo re-
forma, romelic Semdgom
ganxorcielda da `miiwera~
am xelisuflebam. cxadia,
es maTi SemuSavebuli ar
iyo.
_ Tqveni azriT, ratom moxda maia mi-
minoSvilis ganTavisufleba, xelisufle-
ba xom mas endoboda wlebis manZilze?
_ sakiTxi koka seferTelaZemac da
gigi TevzaZemac ise warmoadgines, TiT-
qos xelmZRvanelobasa da mas Soris iyo
konceftualuri SeuTavsebloba da Widi-
li da am `diad reformebs~ miminoSvili
xels uSlida. es aris SeuZlebeli. es
rom marTali yofiliyo, is gamocdebis
dawyebamde unda moexsnaT dakavebuli Ta-
namdebobidan. me vfiqrob, rom is poli-
tikuri niSniT gaxda maTTvis miuRebeli.
nebismier SemTxvevaSi gamoacxadeben,
rom gamocdebma kargad Caiara, rac SeiZ-
leba bevri abiturienti Cairicxeba imi-
tom, rom ar daiwyos gasaCivrebisa da
protestis procesebi, arCevnebis win ar
dagrovdes ukmayofilo adamianebi, winas-
war SemiZlia davamSvido. abiturientis
mSoblebi, rom maT Svilebs CaWra ar
emuqrebaT. es yvelaferi ki moxdeba imis
xarjze, rom erovnuli sagamocdo cent-
ris axali TanamSromlebis arakompeten-
turoba ar gamJRavndes. is, rom namuSe-
varTa gasworebis mxrivac totaluri
arakompetenturoba iqneba, darwmunebuli
var. namuSevarTa gasworebas _ codna un-
da, romelic maT ar gaaCniaT. etyoba amas
gulisxmobda koka seferTelaZe, roca
abiturientTaTvis komfortuli garemos
Seqmnaze saubrobda.
_ qalbatono nino, Tqvenc aRniSneT
da yvelam icis, rom misaRebi gamocdebi
umaRlesi saswavleblebis gareT gamota-
nil iqna imisaTvis, rom korufcia moes-
poT am sistemaSi, momavali wlidan ki
misaRebi gamocdebi kvlav skolebSi Ca-
tardeba, es xom ar Seuwyobs xels ko-
rufciuli garemos Seqmnas?
_ ucxoeTSic xdeba ise, rom skolis
gamosaSveb gamocdebs aqvT gadamwyveti
mniSvneloba, magram iq umaRles saswav-
leblebs aqvT avtonomia, da sakuTar we-
sebs ganaviTareben. cxadia, rom skolis
damTavrebisas rva gamocdis uceb Semo-
Reba moumzadeblad, sruli nonsensi iyo,
ramac kolafsur mdgomareobaSi Caayena
swavlis procesi.
dRes ras zomavs es gamocdebi aravin
ar icis. imisaTvis rom sistema gaimar-
Tos, amas sWirdeba Tavdauzogavi Sroma,
reformis gatareba am sferoSi nebismie-
ri kuTxiT, Zalian rTulia. gigi Tevza-
Zem Riad ganacxada, rom unda vaRiaroT,
rom skola codnas ver iZlevao, amitom
unda gadavideT iseT sistemaze, rom uf-
ro advili iyos umaRles saswavlebel-
Si mowyobao. e.i. unda miviRoT apriori,
rom skola ganaTlebas ver aZlevs mos-
wavleso.
ras niSnavs, is, rom skola ar an ver
iZleva codnas? ganaTlebis saministro
imisTvis arsebobs, rom skolam misces
codna moswavles, Torem sxva ra daniS-
nuleba aqvs am saministros?
gigi TevzaZis logikiT Tu vimsje-
lebT, xom ar jobia, saerTod gavauqmoT
skola da sabavSvo baRidan pirdapir
umaRles saswavlebelSi miviRoT patare-
bi? aba, sxvas ras niSnavs es?
skolis sagamocdo testebi isea Sed-
genili, rom imiT moswavlis codna ver
gaizomeba, isini umartivesia. Tu es saq-
me ase gagrZeldeba, qveyanaSi ganaTlebis
sistemas momavali ar uweria! wina wleb-
Si 3-4 saganSi mainc emzadebodnen mos-
wavleebi, romelTac mere umaRlesSi aba-
rebdnen, amJamad esec ispoba. samwuxa-
rod, dRes umaRles saswavleblebs ara-
nairi avtonomia ar gaaCniaT da aranair
kriteriumebs isini ar Txouloben umaR-
lesSi Casaricxad, amas ra hqvia?
dRemde ver gavige, ra saWiroa im
erTi zogadi unarebis gamocda, romelic
dRemde am xelisuflebisa da ganaTlebis
saministros mTavari prioritetia. amde-
ni welia am saganSi es gamocda tardeba
da misi aucilebloba riTia gamowveuli
_ yvelasaTvis gaugebaria.
politikuri situaciis Secvlis Sem-
TxvevaSi, am dargs sWirdeba sruliad
Secvla, organizebuli muSaoba, raTa aR-
dges skolis funqciac da umaRlesi sas-
wavleblis rolic.
eTer kasreliSvili
ganaTlebis sferos policia, kudi da
sodi akontrolebs
iinntteerrvviiuu 11996688 wwlliiss oolliimmppiiuurr,,
mmssoofflliiooss aarraaeerrTTggzziiss CCeemmppiioonnTTaann
roman ruruasTan..
__ bbaattoonnoo rroommaann,, rraa aarriiss ssppoorrttii
zzooggaaddaadd ddaa rraa aarriiss iiss TTqqvveennTTvviiss??
_ zogierTvis sporti da fizkul-
tura SeiZleba iyos gasarTobi, magram
olimpiuri da msoflio Cempioni
ekuTvnis xalxs da sazogadoebas. mi-
si damsaxureba, da Tu rames miiRwia
ekuTvnis xalxs da sazogadoebas, qve-
yanas. swored es gaxlavT patriotiz-
mi. Tu es ar eqneba, igi didi sport-
smeni ver iqneba.
__ ssaammwwuuxxaarroodd,, zzooggiieerrTTmmaa ssppoorrttss-
mmeennmmaa ggaaddaauuxxvviiaa aamm ggzzaass,, ppiirrddaappiirr
vvTTqqvvaaTT,, xxeellii aawwiiaa TTaavviiss ssaakkuuTTaarr xxaall-
xxzzee,, SSeeuurraaccxxyyooffaa mmiiaayyeennaa ssaakkuuTTaarr
gguullSSeemmaattkkiivvrreebbss.. rraass iittyyvviiTT aammaazzee??
_ samxedro armia qveyanaSi risT-
vis arsebobs, armia sakuTari qveynis
winaaRmdeg arsad ar midis. Rirseuli
moqalaqe ar SeiZleba gavides sakuTa-
ri qveynis winaaRmdeg. armia qveynebSi
imitom arsebobs, rom daicvas qveyana
mtrebisgan. sportsmenic asevea, mas,
ubralod, ar aqvs ufleba iyos miker-
Zoebuli. xelisuflebis zogierTi
warmomadgenlis mikvirs, romelic am-
bobs: `vinc ar aris Cveni partiis
wevri...~ ra gamodis, Tu ar var im
partiis wevri, prezidenti da mTav-
roba ara myavs? gamodis, rom prezi-
dents da mTavrobis wevrebs TavianTi
partiis wevrebi hyavT qveyanaSi? dRes
aris vinme opoziciidan qveynis mmarT-
velobaSi? ara, radgan yvela erTi
partiidan arian. nuTu yvela Wkviani
da saqmis gamkeTebeli adamiani mxo-
lod erT partiaSia? sxvebi sad ari-
an? ar hyavT prezidenti da mTavro-
ba? ar SeuZliaT miiRon monawileoba
qveynis marTvaSi? an ar uyvarT Tavi-
anTi qveyana? adamiani politikosi ma-
Sin xar, rodesac droze moxval da
droze waxval. Tu zomierebis grZno-
ba ar gaqvs, maSin did Secdomebs da-
uSveb, romelic SeiZleba damRupve-
lic aRmoCndes.
amis SegrZneba unda hqondes adami-
ans. rodesac mova dro da veRarafers
akeTeb, droze unda gaecalo da wax-
vide. xedavT, rogor hgavs erTmaneTs
sporti da politika. modiT erTxel
mainc gavaciloT romelime politi-
kosi operis Teatridan, darbazidan
madlobiT. erTi vinme mainc gavaci-
loT ase Rirseulad, Torem zogi ga-
agdes, zogi _ mokles... cudia, rode-
sac istoriis gakveTilebiT Wkuas ver
vswavlobT. dRes rac aklia Cvens sa-
zogadoebas, swored inteleqtia.
dRes bevrs saubroben demokratiaze,
magram ra aris WeSmariti demokratia,
jerac ver gagvigia.
yvelaferi damokidebulia Tavad im
adamianis niWze da unarze. mas SeuZ-
lia gaigos dRevandeli mdgomareoba
gaigos kargic, cudic, an rogor
icxovros im adamianma amas sakmao
Wkua-goneba, unda. ojaxs Tu kargad
marTavs adamiani, mas bevris gakeTeba
SeuZlia. kai biWis da gogos saxeliT
ar unda iniSnebodnen Tanamdebobebze
xalxi. Cven gvWirdeba specialistebi.
__ TTqqvveenn ddiiddii sskkoollaa ggaaiiaarreeTT rroo-
ggoorrcc ssppoorrttSSii,, aasseevvee ccxxoovvrreebbaaSSii..
TTqqvveennii uukkmmaayyooffiilloo aarraavviinn yyooffiillaa..
rrooggoorr aaxxeerrxxeebbddiiTT aammaass??
_ sabWoTa nakrebSi moulodnelad
movxvdi, pirvelTanrigosani viyavi,
aseTi ram iSviaToba iyo. momdevno
wels ki kapitnadac amirCies. farul
arCevnebSi 40 xma davagrove, metoqe-
ebma 29-29, sxvaTa Soris, eseni iyv-
nen titulovani moWidaveebi _ sapu-
novi da iguminovi. wlebis Semdeg
iguminovma Tqva: `rurua Cveni gundis
sindisi da patiosneba iyo~-o. eqvsni
viyaviT nakrebis wevrebi Cems woniT
kategoriaSi, magram rogorc kapitani,
yvelasTan samarTliani viyavi, amiT
davimsaxure pativiscema.
__ aaxxllaa TTuu vvaarrjjiiSSoobbTT??
_ ara, varjiSebma damRala. fizi-
kurad vSromob. aranair Sromas ar
vTakilob. nebismier Cemi asakis kacs
dResac davamarcxeb.
gia burduli
`netav, erTi romelime politikosi gagvacilebina
operis Teatridan madlobebis TqmiT~...
12 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
am werils rom sapatriar-
qos warmomadgenlebi waikiTxa-
ven, vvaraudob, an cxvirs aib-
zueben, an ufro radikalurni
kidev erTxel momayrian qoqo-
las, ise, rogorc SarSan, an-
timarTlmadideblur politi-
kur kanonze sapatriarqos xe-
lis mowerisas moiqcnen Cemi
werilebis seriis Semdeg, sa-
dac sapatriarqoSi gamefebul
usamarTlobebze vwerdi da
TviT meufe ilarion samxaraZis
amJamindeli mdgomareobac da-
vuxate yvelas. ramdenime dRe-
Si kvlav vapireb meufis mona-
xulebas da minda icodeT, miu-
xedavad Cems mier meufis mdgo-
mareobis TvalnaTliv aRweri-
sa, sapatriarqos arc erTi
warmomadgeneli ar yofila
gandegil meufesTan da erTi
xeli tanisamosic aravis miu-
tania RvTis anabarad mitove-
buli 70 wels gadacilebuli
moxucisTvis.
samagierod, sapatriarqoSi
mokalaTebuli umaRlesi samRv-
delo pirebi jipebSi arian
Caskupebulni da saaqao cxov-
rebaSi cdiloben sasufeveli
daimkvidron, radgan, veWvob,
saiqio cxovrebis swamdeT...
magram es sxva Temaa. geTan-
xmebiT. piraduli, delikatu-
ri, ufro frTxilad salapara-
ko. ki, batono, gavCumdebi,
sxvis rwmena-urwmunoebaze ar
vilaparakeb, magram, roca urw-
munoebis eSmakeuli sufeva
mZvinvarebs, xocaven adamianebs,
Seuracxyofen, cixeebSi adamia-
nebis sisxliT da xorciT ZRe-
bian, maTi wamebiT tkbebian, da-
Cexili cxedrebi gamoaqvT sapa-
timroebidan, roca qveyanaSi
kudianebis aRlumi imarTeba _
gei da lesbi jgufebi karebs
umtvreven axalgazrdebis cno-
bierebas, skolebSi rom bavSve-
bis tvinebis aRreva xdeba, xo-
lo e.w. `Tavisuflebis insti-
tuti~ eSmakeulTa TavSesaf-
rad aris qceuli, samRvdeloe-
ba konformistul, Semrigeb-
lur, diplomatiur poziciebs
rom iWers, amaze maqvs lapara-
ki. ramdenime dRis win wminda
sinodi Seikriba da ganaCina _
eleqtronuli pasportebi ne-
bayoflobiTi unda iyoso...
didi sjulis kanoni gvamc-
nobs, rom samRvdelo piri ar
unda Caeros politikur cxov-
rebaSi, garda gansakuTrebuli
mdgomareobisa da sinodis amas-
winandeli gancxadebac _ samR-
vdeloeba politikaSi ar Cae-
rioso, rogorc Cans, swored
am kanonidan gamomdinareobda,
magram axla saqarTvelos gan-
sakuTrebuli mdgomareoba Tu
ar aqvs, aba, amaze gansakuTre-
buli, netavi, rodis hqonda??
2004 wlis TebervalSi sa-
qarTvelos iusticiis saminis-
trom `saqarTvelos moqalaqis
plastikuri mowmobebis~ Sesa-
xeb daiwyo saubari, mowmobebi-
sa, romelic Seicavs Cipsa da
Sesabamisad, ricxvs 666. ga-
zafxulze siamayiT gvamcnes,
rom biometriuli pasportebis
gacema ukve daiwyo, Tan acxa-
debdnen, am pasportebiT evro-
kavSiris qveynebSi qarTvelTa
gasvla ufro martivi gaxde-
bao. TviT evropis saxelmwifo-
ebma: safrangeTma, inglisma,
germaniam, ukrainam, ruseTma,
marTlmadidebelma saberZneTma
uari Tqves ID baraTebze.
s a p atri ar qos
warmomadgenlebma
da wminda sinodma,
romlebic adamiani-
sadmi siyvaruliT
unda iyvnen savse,
gaampartavnebulni
dadian da zogierTi
Tval da yurdafse-
buli brmad rom
uvardeba kalTaSi
maT da gakerpebuli
rom hyavT umaRlesi
samRvdelo ierarqe-
bi, imas ver xvdebi-
an, saqarTveloSi
mosaxleobas, ubra-
lo moqalaqes xe-
lisufleba yelSi
xels rom uWers,
gadasaxadebiT rom
axrCobs, erovnulo-
bas rom uboWavs,
qarTvelebi ufro
daCagrulni rom arian TavianT
qveyanaSi, vidre somxebi, azer-
baijanelebi, Cinelebi, zangebi
da znedacemuli, garyvnili
iankebi, axla eleqtronuli ba-
raTebiT undaT am xalxis da-
yofa, dakabaleba, daxarisxeba
gasayidi xorciviT da isedac
limitirebuli Tavisuflebis
SezRudva. axla Cipiani paspor-
tiT unda Semamowmon sad vsun-
Tqav me, diRomSi Tu ameriku-
li pepliT SeWmuli baxmaros
naZvis ZirSi?! radgan ID bara-
Tis miRebisas ixsneba grafa,
sadac aRiricxeba _ 80 weli
icocxleb Tu 100, yovel
dRes, wuTsa da wams ra gaake-
Te, sad iyavi teritoriulad,
yvelaferi aRinusxeba.
safrangeTis profkavSire-
bis generaluri mdivani kom
Jakmeni ambobs: `am proeqtis
amoqmedeba sazogadoebaze po-
liciuri zedamxedvelobis gaZ-
lierebas gulisxmobs. eleqt-
ronuli piradobis mowmobebis
SemoRebis Semdeg policias eq-
neba adamianebis piradi monace-
mebi~.
saakaSvili ki acxadebs, rom
saqarTvelom ID baraTebis Se-
moRebiT gauswro evropis qvey-
nebs da isini am sakiTxSi Ca-
mogvrCnen (!).
ra gamodis? samRvdeloeba
da qveynis xelmZRvaneloba, ase
vTqvaT, erT xmaSi mRerian? xo-
lo is samRvdelo pirebi, vinc
simarTles amboben, iatakqve-
Sur moRvaweobas ewevian? maga-
liTad, mama basil mkalaviSvi-
li, vinc ieRovuri literatu-
ris gavrcelebaSi amxila sino-
dis wevrebi, cixeSi gamoketes,
mis mier agebuli salocavi
rom merabiSvilis, adeiSvilis,
bokerias da baramiZis xelmZR-
vanelobiT Selewes da iqidan
mama basili wveriT rom gamo-
aTries, maSin ar amouRia xma
sapatriarqos. qarTuli marT-
lmadidebluri eklesiis mrev-
lis wevri _ sandro girgvli-
ani rom tyeSi gatitvlebuli
awames, daCexes da mkvdari da-
toves, am mxecobazec sdumda
eklesia. guram SaraZes qarTu-
li saeklesio da saero siwmin-
deebis dacvisTvis rom quCaSi
Tavi gauxvrites, arc amaze
amouRia xma. romeli erTi Ca-
movTvalo?
gasagebia, didi sjulis ka-
noni politikaSi samRvdeloe-
bis CarTvas krZalavs...
adamianebis kvla politikis
nawili yofila, es me ar vico-
di!..
** ** **
mRvdeli vaxtang margianis
interviuSi, romelic man 1999
wlis 13 aprils `axal Taobas~
misca, vkiTxulobT:
` _ rac vTqvi, imaze SemiZ-
lia, iuridiulad vago pasuxi...
`7 ianvars ilia II-m dampa-
tiJa banketze saeklesio dRe-
saswaulis dReebSi. TiTqmis
darwmunebiT SemiZlia vTqva,
rom banketi Catarda, magram
maTTvis sul ar iyo Soba mniS-
vnelovani dResaswauli. yvela-
ze kargi Tamadebi iyvnen Cems
mier xsenebuli diakoni levan
sxilaZe da amJamad cxum-afxa-
zeTis mitropoliti daniel
daTuaSvili. maSin is arqimand-
riti iyo. ilia II-s yvela
ulocavda gamarjvebas, vinai-
dan... vageb pasuxs, marto xom
ar vijeqi im sufrasTan, Tu
sindisi Seawuxebs vinmes _
ulocavdnen ilia II-s, vinaidan
ilia II-is locviT iyo, rom...
_ locviT rom iyo, ra?
_ rom ganidevna gamsaxur-
dia saqarTvelodan da ras ar
uwodebda TviTon samRvdeloe-
ba. vinc iq isxdnen. ai, kons-
tantine meliqiZe, magaliTad.
erTi sityviT, ilia II-s gamar-
jvebas ulocavdnen, ulocavd-
nen gamsaxurdias damxobas, gin-
da Tu ara gaognebuli viyavi,
gaognebuli, radgan ar move-
lodi, rom me kaTalikosis sa-
`nebayoflobiTi~ warwymeda
`aucilebelia sifxizle. gvmar-
Tebs, viyoT informirebulni da
sxvebsac mivawodoT informacia.
Tuki gavCumdebiT, maSin eleqtro-
nuli monaTmflobeloba Zalian ma-
le iqneba SemoRebuli. unda viyoT
sakuTari qveynis aqtiuri da ara pa-
siuri moqalaqeni. moZRvrebma unda
miawodon informacia mrevls, iqa-
dagon, gaafrTxilon TavianTi samwyso mosalodneli saSiSroe-
bis Sesaxeb. amgvarad SevZlebT win aRvudgeT momaval borot Za-
las, romelic gegmazomierad da etapobrivad amzadebs antiqris-
tes msoflio diqtaturas~.
mTawmindelTa xma(aTonis wminda mTa. `eklesiuri swavlebani bolo Jamis Sesaxeb~)
`...1977 wels 25 dekembers
anderZis safuZvelze ilia II
patriarqad akurTxes. amis
Semdeg eklesiaSi dapirispi-
reba daiwyo. meufe ilarioni
(samxaraZe) simarTlis dad-
genas moiTxovda, xolo mit-
ropoliti gaiozi patriar-
qobisTvis ibrZoda, radgan
is iyo qorepiskoposi, e.i.
pirveli piri patriarqis
Semdeg jer kidev efrem II-
is dros. daviT V-is gardac-
valebis mere keratiSvili
xatebis qurdobis bralde-
biT cixeSi gauSves, xolo
ilarion samxaraZe gaurkve-
vel viTarebaSi mowamles...~
saerTo gazeTi,
#37, 2011 w.
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.netSSeemmooggvviieerrTTddiiTT FACEBOOK-zze
meufe ilarioni
vis mxaresaa eklesia _
xalxisken Tu xelisuflebisken?
13saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
xiT am pirovnebas davinaxavdi _
aRvsils zizRiT.
ra Tqma unda, erTmaneTs eci-
lebodnen misaloci sadRegrZe-
loebis TqmaSi arqimandriti da-
nieli da diakoni levan sxila-
Ze, romlebic ulocavdnen ga-
marjvebas ilia II-s.
_ mamao, SeiZleboda Tu ara
gamosuliyo sinodi da damdga-
riyo barikadebis sxvadasxva
mxares mdgar qarTvelTa Soris
da sisxlisRvra Sewyvetiliyo?
_ valdebulebi iyvnen. ar ga-
momivides gamsaxurdias dacvad,
magram nu gavakeTebT ise, rom
yvelaferSi raRac gviSlis
xels. viRacas gamsaxurdias meg-
reloba uSlida xels.
erTmaneTs pirnaTlad Sevxe-
doT TvalebSi. me ranair pasu-
xisgebaSic ar unda Cavvarde,
Tu kaci mqvia, ar maqvs ufleba
gamsaxurdias ar vuwodo WeSma-
riti marTlmadidebeli, morw-
mune. imitom, rom, rasac gamsa-
xurdia ebrZoda, iqneboda es
aralegalurad Tu legalurad
da, saerTod, yvela is preten-
zia, yvela is braldeba, rasac
igi marqsistul sazogadoebas
uyenebda, am yvelafris gakeTeba
eklesiis prerogativa iyo. ek-
lesias unda daesva es bralde-
ba am urwmuno sazogadoebisaT-
vis. SeuiaraRebeli TvaliTac
rom gadavxedoT, amas yvela mix-
vdeba; moxda ki piriqiT. aviRoT
70-iani wlebi da aviRoT Tun-
dac prezidentobis periodi.
gamsaxurdias pretenziebis mo-
geriebis erT-erTi saSualeba,
saxeldobr, eklesia iyo. me da-
vexmarebi maT da arqivSi movZeb-
noT maSindeli gazeTi `komunis-
ti~. daapatimres Tu ara gamsa-
xurdia da kostava, gazeTi sav-
se iyo gamsaxurdiasadmi ekle-
siis mxridan cru monaWoriTa
da cru braldebebiT. eklesia
aWarbebda centralur komi-
tets, ministrTa sabWos, prezi-
diums, prokuraturas, saSinel
suks da ZirTadi bralmdebeli
TviTon iyo. TviTon eklesia
gamsaxurdias uwodebda erTa
Soris SuRlis Camomgdebs da
a.S.
_ vin iyvnen eseni?
_ axlave getyviT: mitropo-
liti maJuga, nevelis eklesiis
winamZRvari, mitropoliti gai-
oz keratiSvili _ qorepisko-
posi, wilkneli episkoposi, se-
minariis reqtori. Tanamdebobebi
RmerTma mogces!
_ vin aris mesame?
_ alaverdeli episkoposi
grigol cercvaZe da a.S. xom xe-
davT, ra xdeba? nacvlad imisa,
rom eklesias daeWira mxari am
pirovnebisaTvis da, saerTod,
misi ideebisTvis, piriqiT moxda.
eklesia gaxda gamsaxurdias ide-
ebis mogeriebis erT-erTi saSu-
aleba. rac Seexeba im cnobil,
tragikul movlenebs. eklesia
valdebuli iyo Careuliyo.
marxvaao.
marxvaSi marto is xom ar
Sedis, rom karaqi da rZe ar
SevWamoT, moveridoT avsityvao-
bas, SfoTs da a.S. valdebulni
iyvnen misuliyvnen da ukanaskne-
li Zal-Rone exmaraT, raTa sis-
xlisRvra ar momxdariyo, mag-
ram piradad ilia II-m xom arCia
dumili? am dumilSi ra imale-
ba, Tqven amas unda mixvdeT.
_ mama zaqariam Tqva, is avad
iyoo?
_ tyuilia. ra SuaSia avad-
myofoba. Tu avad iyo, qorepis-
koposic avad iyo? mTeli samR-
vdeloeba avad iyo? erT-erTi
mainc unda gaegzavna vinme. anda,
ra SuaSia, me xom ar vambob,
ginda Tu ara, gasuliyo ilia II
da iq TofiT xelSi damdgari-
yo-meTqi? iq sinodi an mRvdeli
mainc gaeSva?~ (`axali Taoba~,
1999 w.).
ar vici, Tqven aqedan samRv-
deloebis poziciebi gecnoT Tu
ara, magram piradad me, eklesi-
is diplomatiuri xelwera Za-
lian meniSna. zustad igive xde-
ba axla, rac xdeboda 10 da co-
ta meti wlis winaT.
rac Seexeba gamsaxurdias,
masze dResac, misi oponentebic
ki ver ityvian imas, rom morw-
mune ar iyo da erovnul saxel-
mwifos ar aSenebda. Tumca ar
dascalda, magram qveynis da
RvTis siyvaruliT rom iRvwoda
mTeli cxovreba, zviadis mosis-
xle mtrebic dameTanxmebian ama-
Si. maS, ratom airCia samRvde-
loebam bolSevikuri gza da ra-
tom dauWira mxari eduard-gi-
orgi SevardnaZes? ratom ga-
nudga zviad gamsaxurdias, da-
moukidebeli qarTuli saxelm-
wifos balavaris Camyrels?
1993 wlis 14 seqtembers
did mitingze ilia II eduard
SevardnaZes mimarTavs: `mTeli
saqarTvelo Relavs. amitom uf-
leba maqvs, rogorc saqarTve-
los sulier mamas da piradad
Tqvens sulier mamas (mimarTavs
SevardnaZes _ i.k.) mogceT
locva-kurTxeva, rom mTel sa-
qarTvelos ganucxadoT, rom
Tqven brZandebiT saqarTvelos
meTauri~. razec eduard Sevar-
dnaZe Sekrebil aTasobiT (!) mo-
mitinges niSnismogebiT gadasZa-
xebs mTavrobis saxlis fanjri-
dan: `xma RvTisa da xma erisao~.
maSin samRvdeloeba mxars
SevardnaZes rom uWerda, axla
meufe kalistrate gulSi rom
ixutebs saakaSvils da Svilad
rom hyavs aRiarebuli, sa-
patriarqos saidumlo vi-
zitebiT xan ugulava rom
stumrobs, xan soso Tofu-
riZe da xan sxva Tanamdebo-
bis pirebi, saakaSvils rom
amoiyeneben xolme gverdSi
ivaniSvilis aSenebul same-
bis sakaTedro taZarSi da
ise rom atareben wirva-
locvas, zviad gamsaxurdia
qristianobis mteri iyo da
mixeil saakaSvili da edu-
ard SevardnaZe qristes-
moyvareni arian? dakargul
`cxvars~ patronoben? ama-
sobaSi ramdeni `cxvari~
daekarga saqarTvelos ek-
lesias, daTvala vinmem?..
iranda kalandaZe
aammbbrroossii xxeellaaiiaa: ,,...is
yovlad Seuferebeli eqspe-
rimentebi, romelsac axde-
nen qarTveli eris zurgze,
aucileblad miiyvans mas
fizikuri gadaSenebis da
sulierad gavelurebisa da
gaxrwnis karamde! ers arT-
meven mama-papaTa sisxliT
da ZvlebiT gapoxierebul
miwa-tyes, romelsac ucxoe-
Tidan SemoxiznulT urige-
ben: maTi wyalobiT isedac
gaRatakebul ers piridan
hglejen misi sisxliTa da
ofliT moweul sarCos da
gaugebaris siCqariT isev ucxoeTSi miezidebian. ers
ugmoben da arTmeven mSobliur enas, mas ubilwaven ma-
ma-papur erovnul kulturas...”
1922 weli, 7Tebervali
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rroommlleebbiicc CCeemmmmaa ddaa CCeemmzzee uuffrroossmmaa TTaaoo-
bbeebbmmaa ddiiddii ggaarrjjiiTT,, SSrroommiiTT ddaa oofflliiTT
nnaaSSoovvnnii ffuulliiTT SSeeqqmmnneess mmiiSSaass uuvvaarrggiiss
ttrraannssppoorrttaadd CCaaeeTTvvaallaa ddaa eerrTTii xxeelliiss
mmoossmmiiTT,, aaTTaassoobbiiTT ttoonnaa eess ttrraannssppoorrttii,,
aassoobbiiTT ttoonnaa ssppiilleennZZiiss ssaakkoonnttaaqqttoo xxaa-
zzeebbii,, eelleeqqttrruullii wweevviiss qqvveessaaddgguurreebbii,,
aaTTiiaaTTaassoobbiiTT ttoonnaa lliiaannddaaggeebbii,, ssaakkoonn-
ttaaqqttoo aannZZeebbii,, zzooggiieerrTTeebbiiss aassiiaaTTaassoobbiiTT
ffuulliiss ggaassaakkeeTTeebbllaadd ddaaeeWWrraa ddaa jjaarrTT-
SSii CCaaeebbaarreebbiinnaa??
vviinn mmiissccaa uujjiiSSoo ssaaaakkaaSSvviillss iimmiiss
uufflleebbaa,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooSSii ddaabbaaddeebbuull ddaa
ggaazzrrddiill qqaarrTTvveell,, kkaaccss,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss
mmooqqaallaaqqeeoobbaass aarrTTmmeevvddeess,, mmeerree iiZZuullee-
bbuullss xxddiiddeess,, TTxxoovvnniiTT mmiimmaarrTTaavvddeess rroomm
CCeemmss mmiiwwaa-wwyyaallzzee,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss mmooqqaallaa-
qqeeoobbaa aaRRmmiiddggiinneeoo ddaa aammaazzeecc uuaarrss eeuubbnnee-
bbooddeess,, iisseeTT qqvveellmmooqqmmeedd,, mmeecceennaatt ddaa aall-
ttrruuiisstt eerriiss kkaaccss,, rrooggoorriicc bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaa-
nniiSSvviilliiaa kkaaccmmaa,, rroommeellmmaacc ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss
aaRRoorrZZiinneebbaass ddaa qqaarrTTvveellii xxaallxxiiss ffiizzii-
kkuurr ggaaddaarrCCeennaass,, ssrruulliiaadd uuaannggaarroodd,, mmii-
lliiaarrdd oorraassii mmiilliioonnii rroomm ddaaaaxxaarrjjaa..
SSeeiiZZlleebbooddaa aasseeTTii uuddiiddeessii mmaammuulliiSSvvii-
lliissTTvviiss mmiiSSaass TTaavviissii ,,,,kkrreessllooss”” SSeessaa-
nnaarrCCuunneebbllaadd ddaa TTaavviissii mmzzaakkvvrruullii aammbbii-
cciieebbiiss ddaassaakkmmaayyooffiilleebbllaadd mmiissTTvviiss mmoo-
qqaallaaqqeeoobbaa rroomm wwaaeerrTTmmiiaa??!! eess xxoomm uuddii-
ddeessii cciinniizzmmii,, aabbuuCCaadd aaggddeebbaa ddaa mmTTeellii
eerriiss ffeexxiiTT ggaaTTeellvvaaaa??!! mmaass rroomm mmoossaaxx-
lleeoobbiiss 7700%%-mmaa ssTTxxoovvaa,, rroomm iivvaanniiSSvvii-
lliissaaTTvviiss mmooqqaallaaqqeeoobbaa aaRReeddggiinnaa,, mmaaggrraamm
aammddeennii xxaallxxiiss TTxxoovvnnaacc,, ffeexxeebbzzee ddaaiikkii-
ddaa ddaa iivvaanniiSSvviillss mmooqqaallaaqqeeoobbaa aarr aaRRuudd-
ggiinnaa.. mmiissii aasseeTTii TTaavvxxeedduurrii ddaammookkiiddeebbuu-
lleebbaa CCvveennii xxaallxxiissaaddmmii ddaa mmiissii RRvvaarrZZ-
lliiaannoobbaa,, mmiiss ssoommxxuurr wwaarrmmooSSoobbaaSSii vveeZZee-
bboo..
vviinn mmiissccaa ssaaaakkaaSSvviillss iimmiiss uufflleebbaa,,
rroomm xxaallxxii TTaavviissii nneebbaa-ssuurrvviilleebbiiss mmii-
xxeeddvviiTT aaccxxoovvrrooss?? mmaann,, kkoonnssttiittuucciiaaSSii
ccvvlliilleebbeebbii iissee SSeeiittaannaa,, rroomm xxaallxxii ffee-
xxeebbzzee ddaaiikkiiddeebbeenn.. wweessiiTT,, TTaavviissii aazzrreebbii
jjeerr pprreessaaSSii uunnddaa ggaammooeeqqvveeyynneebbiinnaa pprroo-
eeqqttiiss ssaaxxiiTT ddaa mmeerree xxaallxxss jjeerr,, SSeenniiSS-
vvnneebbii uunnddaa SSeeeettaannaa,, vviinnaaiinniiddaann aamm kkaannoo-
nneebbiiTT uunnddaa vviiccxxoovvrrooTT,, mmiiss SSeeqqmmnnaaSSii
CCvveenncc uunnddaa mmiiggvveeRRoo mmoonnaawwiilleeoobbaa,, rroo-
ggoorrcc eess xxddeebbooddaa mmiiSSaassggaann nnaallaannZZRRii kkoo-
mmuunniisstteebbiiss ddrrooss..
vviinn mmiissccaa mmiiSSaa ssaaaakkaaSSvviillss iimmiiss uuff-
lleebbaa,, rroomm iiss,, ppeerrmmaanneennttuullaadd ggvviissppoobb-
ddeess ggaannaaTTlleebbaassaa ddaa mmeeccnniieerreebbiiss ssiissttee-
mmaass ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooSSii??!!
ddaa bboollooss:: mmiiSSaass uussaaqqmmuurrii ppaarrllaa-
mmeennttaarreebbii,, iissee mmiieeCCvviivvnneenn ppaarrllaammeennttSSii
kkvviirraaSSii eerrTTxxeell ggaasseeiirrnneebbaass ssaavvaarrZZlleebb-
SSii,, ssaajjddoommeebbiiss ccvveeTTaass ddaa __ mmxxoolloodd
,,,,kknnooppkkaazzee”” xxeelliiss ddaaWWeerraaSSii 55 ddaa 1100
aaTTaasseebbiiss mmiiRReebbaass,, rroomm aaxxllaa mmaaTT iiqqiiddaann
aavvttoommaattiiss mmiiSSvveerriiTTaacc vveeRRaarr ggaammoohhyyrrii..
ggaaiiRRvviiZZeeTT xxaallxxoo,, ggoonnss mmooddiiTT ddaa
mmaaTT uummssggaavvssoobbaazzee xxmmaa aammooiiRReeTT!!!!!! rraamm ddaa-
ggaabbeeCCaavvaaTT ddaa rraattoomm uuyyuurreebbTT mmaaTT aavvkkaa-
ccoobbaass aassee ggaaSStteerreebbuulleebbii??!!
avTandil qurxuli __
iinnJJiinneerrii
miSa yovelgvar istoriulsda erovnuls gvispobs
mkiTxvelebi gvweren
14 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
_ isini gamodian Waobidan da nislidan,
rom sxeuli SeiZinon,
mere ki iseve ukan brundebian _
ambobda sociologi emzar jgerenaia,
romelic sinamdvileSi poeti iyo,
magram man amis Sesaxeb araferi icoda,
`isini gamodian Waobidan da nislidan~ _
megrelebze ambobda jgerenaia,
Tavadac megreli,
romelic yovelgvari gaugebrobis Tavidan
asacileblad,
xSir-xSirad xazs usvamda,
rom megreli ki aris,
magram, ra Tqma unda, qarTvelia.
es daaxloebiT ise JRerda,
rogorc zurab Jvanias sityvebi:
_ me var qarTveli, maSasadame me var evropeli!
_ me var megreli, maSasadame, me var qarTveli!
_ brZanebda
jgerenaia,
romlis gvaric SeiZleba sityva jgirs
ukavSirdebodes,
SeiZleba jgrags...
asea Tu isea,
meore megrelis, giorgi gvaxarias mier
gadacema `fsiqo~-Si
miwveuli jgiri koCi jgerenaia
micvalebulebis gasvenebis da dakrZalvis
im ritualebze saubrobda,
romlebic, mavanTa da mavanTa azriT,
epoqis konteqstidanaa amovardnili
da civilizebuli eris prestiJs
ar Seesabameba.
_ migviReben ki Cven, aseTebs, evrokavSirSi? _
ikiTxa gogi gvaxariam.
(jgerenaia Tu megrelic aris
da imave dros aris qarTveli,
gvaxaria mxolod qarTvelia,
romelic ise laparakobs samegreloze,
rogorc aTasobiT kilometriT
daSorebul istoriul samSobloze,
romelTanac araferi akavSirebs, garda gvarisa)
hoda, am gvaxariam ikiTxa:
_ migviReben ki Cven, aseTebs, evrokavSirSi?
filmis reJisorma dagvaimeda,
rom migviReben,
radgan evropelebs araferi aqvT
sawinaaRmdego
Cveni micvalebuli
Tundac erTi kvira gvesvenos saxlSi.
arc imis winaaRmdegni arian
isini
micvalebuls pirsaxoci, saponi,
pirsaparsi,
jagrisebi (kbilis, tansacmlis)
sunamoebi da sxva piradi moxmarebis
sagnebi CavatanoT kuboSi.
evropelebs arc is aSfoTebT,
micvalebulis kubosTan
qalebi rom xmamaRla mosTqvamen,
kivian,
loyebs ixoken,
mamakacebi ki SublSi iSenen xelebs.
evropelebi mSvidad uyureben Turme
micvalebulisTvis saiqioSi
myofi axloblebis saxelze
werilebis gatanebis Tu
zepiri informaciebis
dabarebis tradiciasac,
evropelebi arc imas aprotesteben,
rom Cveulebrivi glexis,
vinme bondos Tu Zabulis gasvenebaze,
imdeni xalxi ikribeba,
gegoneba, cnobili msaxiobi
an politikosi gardaicvalao.
evropelebis SeSfoTebas mxolod
erTaderTi sakiTxi iwvevs:
_ es aris drois problema!
_ saidan da ratom gvaqvs Cven
imdeni dro,
rom micvalebulis sasTumalTan
Svidi (xandaxan meti...)
dRe-Rame vaTenoT? gaflanguli dro...
uazrod gaxarjuli dro...
roca yana gaqvs gasaToxni, Cai mosakrefi,
Sen ki micvalebuls dastrialeb Tavze
Svidi dRe-Rame,
micvalebuls, romelsac verc moTqmiT da
loyebis xokviT
gaacocxleb,
verc Sublze xelebis waSeniT.
* * *
`Cqimi sqvami odabade,
sqanda breli miRu oragade~ _
saidanRac Camesmoda es melodia,
romelic gadacemaSi
ar JRerda,
magram is igulisxmeboda
da nel-nela misrutavda,
rogorc Tbili nisli,
es nisli iyo axla Cemi sxeuli,
xolo Waobi _ samSoblo,
fexisgulebze rom agkvria
da arsad ar giSvebs.
* * *
`vai Suri, sayvareli,
Rura muSi mamarde re,
rinaSi neba qordasni
qianaSi muSi mafarTa re.
vai, Suri sayvareli...
Suri megrulad suls niSnavs,
SurisZiebao rom vambobT,
sulis Ziebas vgulisxmobT,
mSobliuri saxlis gareT
gardacvlilis
sulis Ziebas,
romelsac Sin unda dabruneba
da gza ver gamougnia.
* * *
is qarafidan gadaiCexa...
nislis brali iyo yvelaferi _
imis nacvlad rom moexvia,
pirdapir wavida da nislSi Secura.
mihqroda axla sikvdilisken
da gverdiT dedis kivili mosdevda:
_ xviCa, nana squa...
_ xviCa, nana squa...
is micuravda nislSi, sikvdilisken
da kidev mamisken,
romlis gadidebuli suraTi,
mTvareSi Cadgmuli,
engurs gaRma, mTis wverze idga
da TiTqos Tavisken uxmobda.
... meore dRes jer misi sxeuli waasvenes,
xolo Semdeg misi suli
waiyvanes
sulis maZieblebma _
Zafi manqanis saWes miabes,
is Zafs gamohyva
da kvlav daiwyo gza Sinisken.
* * *
evropisagan gansxvavebiT
samegreloSi fiqroben,
rom micvalebulis pativiscema
sakuTari Tavis pativiscemaa.
radgan Senc momavali
micvalebuli xar
da rogorc axla mas moeqcevi,
ise mogeqcevian Senc,
roca gardaicvlebi.
es Seni
gasvenebacaa.
repeticia Seni momavali gasvenebisTvis,
sadac Sens
rols sxva asrulebs.
Sens nacvlad sxva wevs kuboSi,
magram mis gverdiT Senc xar,
Senc mis gverdiT igulisxmebi.
micvalebulisTvis ki ara,
SenTvis idgmeba
es dramatuli speqtakli.
es Sen garwmuneben,
xom xorcis ubralo naWeri
ki ar xar,
aramed xati RvTisa,
romelic ki ar kvdeba,
aramed gardaicvleba
da aqidan, droebiTi
miweris adgilidan,
axla iq gadadis,
samudamo sacxovrebelSi.
SenTvis, cocxlisaTvis
mRerian am simRerebs.
Sen garwmuneben,
rom maSinac ar mokvdebi,
roca mokvdebi.
ubralod, sxvagan miemgzavrebi.
amieridan Sen aqac xar da iqac,
Sen xar mekavSire,
casa da miwas Sua,
zemo da qvemo dasaxlebas Sua,
maradiuli mekavSire,
maradiuli informatori...
cocxalTa da micvalebulTaTvisanu vixsnaT evrokavSiri!
leqsi eZRvneba filmis `gadaeci Cems megobars, rom cocxali var~Cveneba-ganxilvis monawileebs da filmis reJisors. (sazRvargareT
mcxovrebi qarTveli reJisoris nino kirTaZis dokumenturi filmi: `gadaeci Cems
megobars, rom cocxali var~, mogviTxrobs micvalebulis gasvenebisa da dakrZalvis
qarTul adaT-wesebze. filmi gadaRebulia samegrelos regionSi).
vaxtang xaCilava
15saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
* * *
rogorc vTqviT,
evropelebs ukvirT
ratom vflangavT
ase uazrod dros,
ratom vxarjavT
ase uazrod da umiznod.
magram evropelebisgan gansxvavebiT
samegreloSi fiqroben,
rom siyvarulisTvis
gaxarjuli dro
ar SeiZleba umizno da uazro iyos.
marTalia,
is arc evroebSi gamoixateba,
arc dolarebSi,
arc larebSi,
magram, samagierod,
iseT auwonav simdidres qmnis,
rogoric gaxlavT siyvaruli.
es iseTi simdidrea,
rasac mets gascem,
miT ufro bevrdeba,
rac mets daxarjav,
miT ufro meti gibrundeba ukan
esec biznesia,
siyvarulis didi biznesi,
sadac Cadebuli
TiToeuli wuTi
maradisobad gibrundeba.
* * *
_ migviReben Cven, aseTebs,
evrokavSirSi? _
kiTxulobda gvaxaria
modiT, Cven TviTon miviRoT
es evrokavSiri CvenTan,
samegrelos romelime
mivardnil sofelSi
gavxsnaT siyvarulis
biznesakademia
da SevaswavloT
siyvarulis marketingi
da menejmenti
amaT hgoniaT,
dolars plus dolari
ufro metia,
vidre siyvaruls
plus siyvaruli.
modiT, gavxsnaT samegrelos
romelime sofelSi siyvarulis
biznesakademia da vixsnaT
evrokavSiri!
vixsnaT evrokavSiri!
davexmaroT mas,
xelaxla aRmoaCinos Tavisi Tavi
da Tavisi momavali aq,
samegreloSi...
* * *
rodis mixvdebian isini,
rom saavadmyofos
palataSi mitovebuli deda
mitovebuli RmerTia,
romelic umadurma Svilebma
martoobisTvis gaswires.
xelnakravi RmerTi,
Seuracxyofili RmerTi,
unugeSebeli RmerTi,
romelic kidev erTxel rwmundeba
Tu ra saSinelia adamiani,
romelic fulis mkeTebel
robotad iqceva
isini daRupaven dedamiwas
da Tu vinmes SeuZlia
maTi gadarCena SeuZlia
Zabulis, lebardedan,
an Tundac mzeqalas, barisaxodan,
gnebavT, naTelas mulaxidan.
2004 w.
aRsrullebis erovnullma biurom
Tbillisis saapellacio sasamarTllos mi-
er 2012 wllis 20 ivniss gacemulli sa-
aRsrullebo furcllebis aRsrullebis
uzrunvellyofis mizniT, biZina ivaniS-
villis aqciebis 100%-ss ss “qarTu
jgufSi”, aqciebis 100%-ss ss “qarTu
bankSi”, agreTve aqciebis 21.7%-ss ss
“progres bankSi” yadaRa 26 ivniss da-
ado. Tumca, rogorc saqarTvelloSi
myofma ucxoelli aqcionerebis advoka-
ttebma ganacxades, biZina ivaniSvilli ar
aris “qarTu jgufis” aqcioneri da
“qarTu jgufis” aqciebis gayidva
ucxouri investticiebis eqspropriaci-
ad Sefasdeba. SegaxsenebT, rom “qar-
Tu jgufs” 16 aqcioneri hyavs, aqedan
14 ucxouri kompaniaa, 2 – qarTulli.
“qarTu jgufSi” aqciebis fllobas Ta-
vad ivaniSvillic uaryofs. vesubrebiT
laSa nacvliSvils.
_ batono laSa, rogor imoqmedebs
mosaxleobis ganwyobaze xelisuflebis
es gadawyvetileba?
_ reaqcia unda iyos mSvidi, gawo-
nasworebuli. aq aris erTi safrTxe -
Cven SecdomaSi ar unda Segviyvanos sa-
akaSvilma - rom TiTqos Cven unda vre-
agirebdeT mis gamowvevebze, TiTqos is
ganapirobebs dRis wesrigs. es ase araa.
amis iluziis Seqmnis SesaZlebloba
mas ar unda mivceT.
yvelaferi, rasac is akeTebs - daya-
daRebidan dawyebuli auqcionis CaTv-
liT, TavisTavad aris reagireba imaze,
rom biZina ivaniSvili da „qarTuli
ocneba“ imdenad dawinaurda politi-
kur procesSi, rom saakaSvils
kriminaluri qmedebebiT reagire-
bis garda, araferi darCenia. is
reagirebs biZina ivaniSvilis aSka-
ra upiratesobaze, upiratesobis
flangi Tvisobrivad ki sxvagan
aris. es aris sasikvdilod ganwi-
ruli sxeulis konvulsiebi. Cven
gvmarTebs mxolod simSvide, mi-
zandasaxuloba, provokaciebs ar
ayola, movlenaTa analizi ara
emociis, aramed inteleqtis xar-
jze. Cven Cveni dRis wesrigi
gvaqvs - sajaro da maJoritareb-
Tan Sexvedrebi, saerTaSoriso
TanamegobrobasTan TanamSromloba.
gamarjvebisaTvis “ganwiruli“ bi-
Zina ivaniSvilis inauguraciis
dRe axlovdeba, romlis CaSlasac
cdilobs marginaluri, destruq-
ciuli opozicia saakaSvilis sa-
xiT. Cven, qarTvel xalxs, xeli-
suflebis wyaros, ukve gvyavs faq-
tobrivi xelisu-
fali. Sesabamisad,
xelisuflebaSi
myof ivaniSvils
da „qarTul ocne-
bas“ meti Tmenis
valdebuleba mar-
Tebs am mavneble-
bis provokaciul
qmedebebze. Cven Tu
imave registrSi
vupasuxeT, isini
ufro mets avneben
qveyanas.
_ biZina iva-
niSvili samarT-
lebriv sivrces ar gascdenia, Tumca
qarTuli samarTliT, mas dReisaTvis
ar aqvs moqalaqeoba, misi, iseve, ro-
gorc koaliciis wevri partiebis fi-
nansuri wyaroebi gadaketilia...
_ kategoriulad ver dageTanxme-
biT, imaSi, rom mas moqalaqeoba ar
aqvs. moqalaqeoba, romauli gagebiT,
qveynis msaxurebaa, ase, rom, inatros
aseTi moqalaqeoba saakaSvilma. finan-
sebTan dakavSirebiT saubaric ubra-
lod araadekvaturia, radgan ivaniSvi-
li eleqtoraluri trilioneria. ga-
jiutebuli saakaSvi-
li xalxis ndobas
ver daayadaRebs, es
aqtivi xuTi sxvadasx-
va xelisuflebis Sec-
vlas eyofa. ra mate-
rialuri resursi
dasWirdeba, teqniku-
rad rom gavaformoT
ivaniSvilis xelisuf-
leba, amis saSualebas
saqarTvelos moqala-
qeebi Cven TviTon
movZebniT.
_ nulovani tol-
erantobis politikis
gagrZelebis Sesaxeb
jer Ss ministris mo-
adgilem, Semdeg Tavad
prezidentma isaubra.
am gancxadebas Zalian male mohyva sam-
Tavrobo cvlilebebi. rogor SeZlebs
xelisufleba am politikis ganxorci-
elebas?
_ 1945 wlis mart-aprilSi, hit-
leris bunkerSi igegmeboda moskovis
aReba. „netar arian...“, _ ver vityvi,
ufro - giJi Tavisufalia. maT SeuZli-
aT avnon qveyanas, gazardon xelisuf-
lebidan wasvlis fasi, _ vgulisxmob
moqalaqeebis janmrTelobas, sicocx-
les, ra fass gadavixdiT, es Cvens go-
nierebazea damokidebuli.
samTavrobo konfiguracias - vin
dawinaurda, vin daqveiTda, SesaZloa
JurnalistebisaTvis hqondes mniSvne-
loba, magram politikuri procesisT-
vis amas aranairi mniSvneloba ar aqvs.
xomaldi daRupvisTvisaa ganwiruli,
procesi dasrulebulia. ar arsebobs
Zala, romelic ereva xalxs. sazogado-
ebis daculobis recepti - solidaro-
baa.
_ im SemTxvevaSi Tu biZina ivaniS-
vili ityvis, rom arCevnebi gayalbdeba
da mosaxleobas aqciisken mouwodebs,
kvlevis mixedviT dadebiTi pasuxi
27%-mma gasca, 53-mma uaryofiTi, 19%-mma
ki ar icis”, - ganacxada luis navarom.
ramdenad mizanSewonilia NDI-s pi-
rvel kvlevaSi SekiTxvis amgvari for-
mulireba?
_ sazogadoebrivi azris kvleva da
misi mravalmxrivi analizi, ukanask-
nel wlebSi, yvelaze popularul
sportis saxeobad iqca, rogorc ity-
vian: “Âñå ëýäè äåëàþò ýòî”. sociolo-
gia Cvens qveyanaSi, sazogadoebrivi
azris kvlevidan, sazogadoebriv azr-
ze zogjer uxeSi, rig SemTxvevebSi
ki filigranuli zemoqmedebis iara-
Rad gadaiqca. originaluri ar viqne-
bi Tu vityvi, rom gamrudebuli sar-
kis principi ZalaSia da amis bevri
magaliTi arsebobs, Tundac imave en-
deai-s mier gamocxadebuli 10%-iani
mxardaWeris mqone, qarTuli ocnebis
grandiozuli aqciebi dedaqalaqsa da
regionebSi.
Tu Sedga sazogadoebrivi konsesu-
si imis Taobaze, rom arCevnebi gayal-
bda da amoiwura yvela legaluri sa-
Sualeba am gayalbebuli Sedegebis ko-
reqtirebisa, maSin rogor moiqceva mo-
qalaqe, romelsac arCevani mohpares?
SeiZleba, am SemTxvevaSi nordikuli
temperamentis adamianma Tqvas, Semdgom
arCevnebs davelodebio, magram saqarT-
veloSi, darwmunebuli var, umravle-
soba gamova quCaSi, raTa daicvas saku-
Tari arCevani da Tu saqarTvelos mo-
qalaqeebis umravlesobis SegrZnebebi
daemTxveva politikuri lideris, am
SemTxvevaSi ivaniSvilis ganwyobebs,
darwmunebuli var 27%-iT es aRar
Semoifargleba. daTa TuTaSxias perif-
razi rom gavakeToT, veravin gaayal-
bebs ise arCevnebs, rom es moqalaqeeb-
ma ar igrZnon... rac Seexeba revolu-
cias, yvelgan da yvela dros, revolu-
ciis avtori da Semoqmedi xelisufle-
baa da ara opozicia... revolucionere-
bi mudam versalSi sxedan.
nino fircxalava
saakaSvili xalxis ndobas ver daayadaRebs
16 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
ramdenime dRis win, albaT,
yvelam movismineT, didi xnis me-
gobrebis miSa saakaSvilis da va-
no merabiSvilis `kadrs miRma~
privatuli saubari, roca prezi-
dentad wodebuli adamiani premi-
er-ministrs eubneba: `bolomde mi-
awvnen, ai, `imenna~ bolomde Ses-
ces debatebSi~-o! magram, rodesac
evroparlamentSi gamarTuli deba-
tebis Sinaarsi TiToeuli moqala-
qisTvis sajaro gaxada qarTulma
nacionalurma Tu `nacionalurad~
komerciulma, e.w. opoziciurma
arxebma _ Zalian, Zalian Sevwux-
di da mogaxsenebT, ratom: ro-
gorc gairkva, Turme evroparla-
mentarebi saqarTveloSi arCevne-
biswina viTarebis ganxilvas saer-
Tod ar apirebdnen, magram `madam
kolontais~ da `hercogi talei-
ranis~ daJinebuli moTxovniT, de-
batebi iZulebiT mainc dauwyiaT!
ki, batono, daiwyes, magram iqamde
koaliciis `diplomatiuri~ misie-
bi aRma-daRma rom dafrinavdnen,
xarjavdnen seriozul Tanxebs da
mTel saqarTvelos da sakuTriv
ivaniSvils rom aimedebdnen _ `sa-
akaSvilis mxardamWeri dasavleT-
Si aRaravin darCao~ _ raSia saq-
me? anu,
evroparlamentSi ga-marTuli iZulebiTi de-batebis dros, koalici-is lobisturi kompani-is misi delegaciisa daTviTon lobistebis`warmatebuli garja~romeli evroparlamen-taris gamosvlaSi daa-fiqsireT? ra gamodis _maT mier ZalisZalad
mopovebulma debatebma`nacionaluri moZrao-bis~ sasargeblod Sede-gi ratom moitana?!
Tqven rogor fiqrobT, es Sem-
TxveviTia?! Cemi Rrma rwmeniT, ar
aris SemTxveviTi, radgan aseTi
`gadacdomebi~ am emisrebis Cveu-
li `triukia~! marTali giTxraT,
sruliadac ar aris sagangaSo,
ras ityvian evroparlamentarebi
arCevnebis wina debatebSi, magram
piradad CemTvis Zalian sagangaSo,
iyo litvis yofili prezidentis,
sabWoTa `kgb~-sTan saeWvod daax-
loebuli Cinovnikis, vitautas
landsbergisis, ramdenime miniSne-
ba, romelic man zogadad Tqveni
mxardamWerebis, ese igi opozici-
urad ganwyobili adamianebis misa-
marTiT gamoTqva _ am adamianebis
mxridan Tavisuflebis SezRudva-
ze saubari warmoadgens nacistur
da faSistur Tavdasxmebs, anu,
rogorc isini uwodeben, araqar-
Tul, aramarTlmadideblur da
umciresobebis interesebis damc-
vel mTavrobaze! ucnauria, magram
aseTi siZulvilis teqstebs dade-
biTad xvdeba araTu rusuli, ara-
med evropeli liberalebis nawi-
lic!
gamodis, vitautas landsber-
gisisTvis, saqarTvelos mosaxle-
obaSi Tuki erovnuli, qarTuli
da marTlmadidebluri mowodebebi
gaismis _ es faSizmi da nacizmia!
anda, roca umciresobaTa Se-
viwroebaze saubrobda, amxanagi
landsbergi eTnikur jgufebs gu-
lisxmobda Tu maT, visac rusTa-
velis saxelobis gamzirze ukana-
lebisa Tu enebis qneviT `gacun-
culeba~ ewadaT?!
rasakvirvelia, landsbergisi
swored am ukanasknelebs gulisx-
mobda, Torem saqarTveloSi eTni-
kuri jgufebis araTu Seviwroe-
bis, aramed Seuracxyofis faqte-
bic ki ar gamovlenila, Tu ar
CavTvliT mavanTa mier inspirire-
bul da Semdeg xelisufalTa mi-
er mxardaWeril gegmiur omebs
afxazeTsa Tu samaCabloSi!
evroparlamentarebis gamosv-
lebSi sxva uamravi braldebac ga-
ismoda, magram, amjerad absolu-
turad xazgasmuli is iyo, rom
Cveni `faSistur-nacisturi~ Tav-
dasxmebia maTTvis yvelaze saSiSi
da Cemi werilis mTavari gzavni-
lic, swored am `saSiSroebiT~
aris nakarnaxevi!
rogorc mogexsenebaT, saqarT-
velos mosaxleobis udides
nawils `nac. moZraoba~ da
mixeil saakaSvili imitom
ezizReba, rom igi marTlma-
dideblobas, erovnul-tra-
diciul zneobriv dogmebs
da zogadad, qarTul menta-
lobas ebrZvis! agreTve
ezizReba is adamianebic, ro-
melTa monawileobiT jer
gldanis, Semdeg ki feriis
eklesiebi daingra! fexiT
gaiTela xatebi, saeklesio
inventari, xolo sasulie-
ro pirebi mravali wliT
sapyrobileSi aRmoCndnen!
rogorc Tavad uyureT,
am uRmerTobis wamxaliseb-
lebi evroparlamentis `av-
toritetul~ warmomadgen-
lobaSic mravlad yofilan
da es is evropelebi brZan-
debian, romelnic `gei~ me-
rebis, `gei~ prezidentebis Tu
lesbosel-seqtantebis aqtiuri
mxardaWeriT iwoneben Tavs da, ra
gasakviria, aseTive TavgamodebiT
ukve dRes, saakaSvilis `demokra-
tiul winsvlebs~ rom lobirebd-
nen, ara?!
sxvisi ra mogaxsenoT, magram
piradad me mimifurTxebia aseTi
evroparlamentisTvis da asgzis
mimifurTxebia im `verdiqtisaT-
vis~, romelic maT ramdenime dRis
win qarTvel xalxs gamoutanes _
mixeil saakaSvilis sasargeblod!
`evropa ar iyideba!~,_ SemogviTvales maT daCvenc davijereT, ara?ra sasaciloa...
evropa rom Zaliandidi xnis win iyidebodada iyideba dResac, oR-ond sakuTari interese-bidan gamomdinare, mso-fliom kargad uwyis!
Cemgan SeiZleba ar geswavle-
bodeT, magram SegaxsenebT, rom
jer kidev nicSe `beber meZavs~
uwodebda mas!
pirveli msoflio omis dam-
Tavrebis Semdeg osvald Spengle-
ri werda: `evropa, rogorc idea
mokvda, es aris evropis daisi!~
cnobili amerikeli filoso-
fosi pikimir soronecini ki Tana-
medrove dasavleTze ase wers:
`Tanamedrove dasavleTi es aris
paTologiis muzeumio~, magram ra
TavSi vixliT Tundac geniosi
nicSes mosazrebas evropis Sesa-
xeb, Tuki Cvens did moZRvars, Cve-
nive nasroli tyviiT moklul
ilia WavWavaZes ar gavixsenebT?
ilia ambobda: `rasizamT, roca evropis po-litikaSi arc samarT-lianobas, arc zneobaskuTvnili adgili aruWiravs da yovelive ga-morCenasa da angariSseqvemdebareba~! ufrometic, ilia WavWavaZe,iseve rogorc qarTve-lebis, evropelTa znisSesaxebac siRrmiseulganmartebas akeTebs daambobs: `raki evropazedmidgeba saqme, aq naZira-la grZnobani evropispolitikisa Tavs wamoh-yofen!~
evropelebis, miT umetes ki
evropeli politikosebis mankieri
znis Sesaxeb yvelaze zustad ma-
inc didi britaneTis yofili pre-
mier-ministri loid jorji saub-
robda: `aki, xSirad gvixdeba Se-
Tanxmeba yaCaRebTanac da kacis
mkvlelebTan?! Cveni qveynis inte-
resebidan gamomdinare, Cven kaci-
WamiebTanac gavmarTavT vaWro-
bas!~-o, da es sityvebi loid
jorjma mas Semdeg Tqva, rac
bolSevikuri ruseTis daJinebuli
moTxovniT, saqarTvelos damouki-
debeli respublika 1920 wels
`erTa ligaSi~ ar miiRo evropam!
am `verdiqtiT~ guldamZimebu-
li, samSoblosken momavali qarT-
veli diplomati zurab avaliSvi-
li ambobs: `kaciSvili Cveni pat-
roni Cvenive Tavis garda dedami-
wis zurgze aravin megulebao, ho-
da, rodesac Cvensa da dasavleTis
saerTo Rirebulebebze vsaubrobT,
gavfrTxildeT, radgan Cveni eT-
nosisaTvis `sxvisi Wiri, Robes
Cxiri~ arasodes ar yofila da
miT umetes, ar yofila maSin, ro-
ca saqme angarebas exeboda!
Cvensa da dasavleTis Rirebu-
lebebs Soris is gansxvavebacaa,
rom: `sxvisi puri, sxvisi Rvino~
arasodes gvyvarebia da araTu dam-
pyrobeli omebi ar gviwarmoebia,
aramed piriqiT, yovelTvis mtris
mogeriebaSi viyaviT mTeli Cveni
arsebobis manZilze!
rac Seexeba Cveni da evropa-
amerikeli jariskacebis erTobliv
brZolas eray-avRaneTSi, esec is-
toriuli SeuTavseblobaa, radgan
isini kacobriobis gamanadgurebe-
li `TeTri sikvdilisaTvis~ ari-
an iq da ise, rom maT arCevanis sa-
Sualebac ara aqvT.
zneobrivi gansxvave-
ba ki is gaxlavT,
rom qarTveli meo-
mari kaci, imitom
rom vaJa-fSavelas
qveyanaSia gazrdili
_ `vaJkaco, Cemgan
moklulo, RmerTma
gacxonos mkvdari-
o~, _ ase fiqrobs
da amerikeli jar-
iskaciviT, vinc mTe-
li msoflios dasa-
naxad Tavze ar aS-
ardavs Tavisi sam-
Soblos damcvel e.w. mojaxed-pa-
timrebs!
`evropa ar iyideba!~, _ araer-
Tgzis gaisma evroparlamentSi,
magram korufciaSi araerTgzis
SemCneuli maTias iorSi, nuTu sa-
qarTveloSi mxolod `demokrati-
is~ dasacavad da mis dasabandeb-
lad mogzaurobda?!
rogorc araerT arCevnebze da-
dasturda, `nac.moZraobis~ neo-
bolSevikurma Semadgenlobam, ev-
ropeli Tu amerikeli damkvirveb-
lebis xelSewyobiT, ager ukve 8
welia saakaSvilis xelisuflebas
uZlevelobis SegrZneba sruliad
logikurad gauCina, magram, imi-
tom rom evropa da sruliad da-
savleTi mxolod sakuTari inte-
resebidan gamomdinare moqmedebs,
mas patara saqarTvelos `demokra-
tiuloba~, `evrointegracia~ da
a.S. savaraudod, mxolod sakuTa-
ri interesebis gaTvaliswinebiT
ar unda sxdomeboda, radgan sa-
qarTvelo mTeli Tavisi resurse-
biT, arc navTobmompovebeli qveya-
na gaxlavT da arc msoflios ga-
mokveba SeuZlia soflis meurneo-
bis ayvavebis SemTxvevaSic ki!
aba, maS, ratom unda icavdes
ase TavgamodebiT saakaSvilis xe-
lisuflebas igive evropa da, Tu
gnebavT, amerikis SeerTebuli
Statebi? ratom unda eSinodeT
maT qarTveli `oligarqebis~ da
`nacistur-faSisturi~ qarTuli
sazogadoebisa?
saakaSvilis xelisuflebaSi
`moRvawe~ Cinovnikebis Sesaxeb sa-
zogadoebam bevri ram icis, magram,
neba miboZeT SegaxsenoT, rom
2003 wlis 23 noembris politi-
kuri farsi, rusuli specsamsaxu-
rebis da SeerTebuli Statebis
administraciis erToblivi gegma
gaxldaT da amdenad, evropa, ro-
ca saakaSvilis qeba-didebiT iq-
cevs Tavs, Tqven rogor fiqrobT,
romeli qveynis `Tavis mosaqonad~
iqceva ase?!
amerikidan evropaSi araTu
eleqtroenergia, aramed erTi mi-
ligrami bunebrivi airis eqspor-
ti ar xdeba da netav, romeli
qveyanaa is, romlis `keTil neba-
zecaa~ damokidebuli TiToeuli
evropelis gaTboba-ganaTeba?
aki, werda jorji loidi:
`diax, Cven kaciWamiebTanac gavmar-
TavT vaWrobas Cveni interesebidan
gamomdinareo?!~
hoda, axlac vaWrobsevropa-amerika ruseT-Tan da kbilebiT icavsruseTis rCeul mkvlelsaakaSvils, raTa ru-seTma gazis miwodebaar Seuwyvitos maT daerT mSvenier dRes evro-pis dedaqalaqebSi 1 Re-ri SeSa, uceb 6 evro arRirdes! (sxvaTa Soris,es faqti ramdenime wl-is win mTelma msofli-om naxa!).
rogorc ikveTeba, oqtombris
arCevnebi marTlac gadamwyveti iq-
neba saqarTvelosTvis da
Tuki ivaniSvilis pe-rsona, misi finansebi daguliswadili iqiTkeniqneba mimarTuli, aqci-os saqarTvelo isevqarTul saxelmwifod,maSin misi politikurimokavSire ara evropa-amerika, aramed sruli-ad saqarTvelos mosax-leoba gaxdeba da ai, ma-Sin gamoCndeba, vin visSesc...ms debatebSi!
ueWveli gamarjveba mxolod
am SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba da ara
ise, rogorc es zogierT politi-
koss hgonia. `erT sul da erT
xorc~ Serwymis SemTxvevaSi
_`mdinareni aRma daiwyeben denas~,
xolo saqarTvelo, iseve rogorc
uwin, Wkviani da qveyanaze mofiq-
rali xelmwifis droSis qveS ga-
marjvebas gamarjvebaze izeimebs
da Tavis samSoblos kvlav `ni-
kofsiidan darubandamde~ gadasWi-
mavs.
Cemi qarTuli `ocne-ba~ es gaxlavT, magramaseve meocnebeba, saku-Tari TvaliT vixilomoRalate bobolebisdasjac, radgan sworedmaTi gamoisobiT aris,rom Cemi samSoblo amukuneTidan vera da vergamodis da yovel 4 we-liwadSi erTxel axal-axal teritoriebs vka-rgavT!
ai, sul es iyo!irine gogosaSvili
`faSistur-nacionaluri~ saqarTvelo da branwi
`paTologiis muzeumidan~
17saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
orbeliani
ludoviko
meToTxmetesTan
alodines da…
meTxuTmete
kacad Sevida…
cameti ludoviko
kedlidan iyureba;
cicas efereba
lui meToTxmete;
xalxs xma daukarga
mefis siyruema,
mefes xalxze ufro
kata ecodeba.
xelmwifem
sabas naubari
moismina ra,
– oh…
oh…
oh…
oho!… –
Tqva da
TiTqos kidec inana.
magram amiTi
araferi
gamovida ra
(sabas xma
rodi waagavda
knavils katisas);
rac Seitana,
iseve is gamoitana
im saxelganTqmul
versalidan
elCman qarTlisam.
– wvima ar ari!
sabas kaba
dausvela ram?!
– Tovli ar ari!
sabas Tavi
gauTeTra ram?!
– yinva ar ari!
sulxan-sabas
akankalebs ra?!
– ram daasvela?!
ram daTeTra?!
ra akankalebs?!
saqarTveloa
misTvis wvimac,
Tovlic da yinvac!..
…mze eTxoveba
albaT axla
turfa tanZias…
es sicxadea,
sulxan-sabav,
Tu fantazia?!
dedis cremlebi
yayaCos da balaxebs
awvims,
alvis CeroSi
stiris deda
Svils motacebuls,
stambolSi
Svili dedas stiris, -
hyidian ymawvils
(sWvreten jvaris win
wmida ninos –
muxlze dacemuls).
– ramdens afaseb
mag pataras? –
hkiTxa sparsulad
sabam sparsels da
mouTmenlad
eloda pasuxs.
– ui, qarTveli
megona da
sparsi yofila, -
warmosTqva balRma,
yuri mohkra ra
sabas sparsuls.
– ara, patarav,
qarTveli var,
qarTveli,
gesmis?
– ui, dedasTan
wamiyvane,
wamiyvan, Zia?.. –
sabas cremlebi
moeZala,
atirda kaci, -
Tavis balRoba
gaaxsenda,
Tavis tanZia.
viT es ymawvili –
saqarTveloc
ase mcirea,
saqarTvelosac,
viT am ymawvils,
ase hyidian;
safrangeTs vTxovoT:
gviSveliso,
– sasaciloa!
Seni vxtangi
ludovikos
fexze hkidia.
ase fiqrobda
sulxan-saba
xeljoxiani;
mxardamxar sabas
is pawia biWi
mosdevda…
– mogwyinda gana
unayofod,
elCo, yiali?!
– guls nu gaitex!
– muxa kvlavac
Seimoseba!
muxran maWavariani
s a b arogorc qarTveloba iyo saamayo
did sabWoeTSi, ase svanoba iyo sa-
amayo kavkasiis mTianeTSi da saqar-
TveloSi.
Cven gvesaxeleba winaparTa mier
ganvlili gza: mterTan-mtroba, moy-
varesTan-moyvroba, stumris Rirse-
ulad miReba-gacileba, qveynis erT-
guleba, saqarTvelos mefeTa samsa-
xurSi yofna.
svaneTis roli ganuzomlad di-
dia saqarTvelos istoriaSi. amis
Sesaxeb didi qarTveli meistorieni
uxvad gvawvdian masalebs.
samSobloc damsaxurebulad uf-
asebda qveynis am regions erTgul
samsaxurs. gansakuTrebiT bagrati-
onTa dinastia.
damoukideblobis dakargvis Sem-
deg ramdenjerme aujanydnen svanebi
mefis ruseTs. konstantine dadeSqe-
lianma gubernatori gagarinic ki
gamoasalma sicocxles mefeTa qa-
laq quTaisSi.
ar minda gavazviado, svanebi mar-
Tlac svanobdnen. arc aravisze ba-
tonobdnen, arc aravis ibatonebd-
nen.
ra xdeba dRes?
vwuxvar, magram Cveni dRevande-
li dumili, yvelafris Segueba, rac
Cvens Tavs xdeba, ukvirs yvelas, uk-
virs danarCen saqarTvelos. gaqra
miTi svanebis vaJkacobis Sesaxeb,
Cvenc dagvaSines, xmas ver viRebT,
CaviketeT, vimalebiT, viTom vera-
fers vxedavT, araferi gvesmis?
mavani enebi amboben, svanebi erT-
maneTs ar patioben wyenas, sxvagan
da sxvasTan, dRes didi veraferi
raindebi ariano.amis mTqmelni mwa-
red cdebian, marto komanis brZo-
lac sakmarisia svanTa simamacis
dasturad.
RmerTma damifaros, vinmes vaqe-
zebde SurisZiebaze, magram, roca
axalgazrda kacs mogiklaven xeli-
suflebis warmomadgenlebi da arc
mogibodiSeben, erTi aqcia mainc xom
unda gagvemarTa. sandro girgvlians
mxolod dedam, qalbatonma irine
enuqiZem upatrona da daakvda kide-
vac usamarTlobas.
svanebi vdumdiT.
gaugonari vandalizmi Caidina
xelisuflebam sofel ecerSi afra-
siZeebis ojaxis mimarT. `didma sar-
dalma~ giorgi baramiZem, visac
zurgs ori aTasi policieli umag-
rebda, mZime artileriidan griga-
liseburi cecxli gauxsna evgeni
afrasiZis saxls, mokles mama-Svili
evgeni da omex afrasiZeebi. goCa da
Smagi afrasiZeebi patimrobaSi aiy-
vanes. am operacias xelisufleba
didi xnis ganmavlobaSi warmate-
buls uwodebda. mogvianebiT, cru
informaciaze dayrdnobiT, me-19 sa-
ukunis saZvale gaTxares, Zvlebi
tomrebSi Cayares da TbilisSi Ca-
moitanes. eqspertizis Catarebis
Semdeg ki isev sofel ecerSi daab-
runes da gamgeobis SenobasTan daya-
res.
radgan svaneTi Seuvali, mkacri
tradiciebis damcvel mxared aris
miCneuli, uniWo xelisuflebas
egona am operaciiT avtoritets
aimaRlebda da mosaxleobaSi SiSs
danergavda. mogvianebiT, roca gair-
kva, rom ugzo-ukvlod dakarguli
axalgazrda levan kalaZe arakace-
bis mier sul sxva adgilas iyo
mokluli, prezidents specoperaci-
is uniWo avtorebi rom gaekicxa,
albaT, ase ar gamwvavdeboda es ur-
TierToba.
svanebi arafrad Cagvagdes, xeli-
suflebis warmomadgenlebs da par-
laments bodiSi an sinanulis sity-
va mainc dascdenodaT am faqtTan
dakavSirebiT.
qarTuli (svanuri) CveulebiT,
micvalebulTa saZvalis Sewuxeba
mkrexelobis tolfasi danaSaulia.
aseT danaSauls xandazmuloba ara
aqvs.
Zneli saTqmeli ar aris, ra Se-
fasebas miscems istoria saqarTve-
los amJamindel xelisuflebas am
qmedebebis gamo. arc isaa Zneli mi-
saxvedri, Tu ra bedi eliT im ada-
mianebs, romlebmac fexqveS gaTeles
qarTuli tradicia. sawyeni is aris,
rom am barbarosobis Camdenni bolo
xanebSi xSirad adian svaneTSi, iq
ki maT svanuri kubdariTa da xaWa-
puriT umaspinZldebian.
svanebma arc maSin amoviReT xma,
roca ori saxelovani mandilosani
mzevinar jafariZe da neli naveria-
ni, romlebic kacebis dumilis gamo,
iZulebulni gaxdnen, Tavad aRemaR-
lebinaT xma xelisuflebis Tavgasu-
lobis gamo, specnazelebma daapa-
timres.
ar avtexo gangaSi gmiri qalba-
tonis nora kvicianis mimarT Se-
TiTxnili braldebiT dapatimreba-
ze? mas sazogadoebis nawilma dam-
saxurebulad Searqva qarTveli Ja-
na darki. qalbatonma noram da mis-
ma ojaxma bevri ibrZola dalis
xeobis SesanarCuneblad da sasur-
vel Sedegebsac miaRwies. man da
misma Svilma _ baCuki arRvlianma
SeZles mSvidobiani urTierTobis
damyareba afxazur mxaresTan. aman
gaaRiziana araerovnuli xelisuf-
leba. daiwyes maTze braldebebis
SeTxzva, bolos, emzar kvicianze
ganawyenebulma iaraRis ukanono
Senaxva warudgines bralad qalba-
ton noras da daakaves im iaraRis
gamo, romelic xelisuflebam Tvi-
Ton dauriga adgilobriv mosaxle-
obas. amazea naTqvami qarTuli an-
daza: cxeni ver gaxedna da unagi-
ri daamtvriao. nora kvicianma mra-
valgzis ganacxada uari Sewyaleba-
ze da dResac patimaria. qalebma ki
gvasaxeles svanebi, mgoni jeri ma-
makacebze midga.
xelisuflebis mxridan kidev
bevri Zaladobis faqti axsovT sva-
nebs, adamianTa fizikuri Seuracx-
yofis, daCagvris da a.S.
ra gvemarTeba? erTmaneTs rom
arafers vpatiobT?
am xelisuflebam ZirZvel qar-
Tul miwas, dalis xeobas, jer sa-
xeli Seucvala, _ daarqva `zemo
afxazeTi~, Semdeg ki Cveni xalxi
ZaliT gamoiyvana xeobidan da es
mxare gaasxvisa. istoriuli faqtia,
rom dalis xeobaSi svanebis garda
arasdros aravis ar ucxovria. am
mxares afxazebic svaneTs eZaxdnen.
es Zveli misiminialebis miwaa-
svanTa winaprebis, razedac metyve-
leben rogorc qarTuli, ise ucxo-
uri wyaroebi.
cnobisTvis, afxazurma mxarem
mravalgzis SemogviTvala svanebs
xeobaSi, sakuTar miwaze, dabruneba.
bevri dabrunda kidec, miuxedavad
Cveni xelisuflebis kategoriuli
winaaRmdegobisa (Zalovnebs gaZlie-
rebuli saguSago aqvT gaxsnili
WuberTan, raTa gadasasvleli gza
gadauketos dabrunebis msurvelT).
svanebi erT goj miwas ar Tmob-
dnen. sakar-midamo sazRvris odnav
Secvlac xSir SemTxvevaSi sisxlis
daRvriT mTavrdeboda. dRes ki xel-
suflebam mTeli xeoba CamogvarTva
da gaasxvisa.
Cven amazec vdumvarT.
hesebis mSeneblobis bums ayo-
lilni xudonhesis mSeneblobas api-
reben. gvekiTxebian Cven, datborviT
rom emuqrebian eklesiebs, winaparTa
saflavebs, Tavi rom davaneboT am
ekologiur cvlilebebs, rasac es
hesebi gamoiwveven am mxareSi?
axlac ar unda avimaRloT xma?
arc qvemo qarTlSi Casaxlebuli
svanebi arian karg dReSi, ar aZle-
ven miwis flobis nebas, iq holan-
dielebi sargebloben privilegiiT
miwebis Sesyidvisas.
svanebo! saTqmeli bevri gvaqvs,
axla moqmedebaa saWiro, yvelam xma
amoviRo, SiSi davZlioT, xedavT, es
xelisufleba antiqarTulia, maSasa-
dame, antisvanuricaa, rogorc iqna
gamoCnda erovnuli Zala, romelic
daupirispirda ukanonobas, umsgav-
sobas.
Tqven kargad iciT, rom dumili
yovelTvis ar aris oqro, zemoT Ca-
moTvlili nawilia im umsgavsobisa,
rac dRevandelma xelisuflebam
svaneTs da svanebs damarTa.
aravin xmas ar viRebT, xom xe-
davT, aravis ar ainteresebs Cveni
mdgomareoba. saqarTvelos aRmasru-
lebel xelisuflebaSi erTi warmo-
madgenelic ar gvyavs.
albaT, gsmeniaT, svani parlamen-
tarebi ar metyvelebeno, utyvebi
ariano, dagvcinian. maT laparaki ki
ician, magram radgan daniSnuli de-
putatebi arian, am xelisuflebaze
Zvirs ver amboben, pirSi wyali aqvT
Cagubebuli. gambedaoba ki marTla
akliaT.
megobrebo! Cveni cxovreba Cvenve
unda SevcvaloT. upriani iqneba, Tu
momavlis SenebaSi gamocdili, av-
toritetuli ufrosi Taobis war-
momadgenlebi miiReben aqtiur mona-
wileobas.
svaneTs uxsovari droidan uxu-
cesTa sabWo ganagebda da es naTlad
Cans qarTul da ucxour wyaroebSi.
uxucesTa gadawyvetilebas veravin
ver gadadioda da amitom mxareSi
wesrigi iyo. svanma uxucesebma dRe-
sac unda Tqvan marTali sityva. ma-
Ti rekomendaciiT unda dainiSnos
orive raionSi gamgebelic, proku-
roric da policiis ufrosic. uxu-
cesTa mier warmodgenil pirovnebas
ar unda daupirispiron sadeputato
kandidati, arc xelisuflebam da
arc opoziciam. maTi azri mosaxle-
obisaTvis misaRebia, radgan isini
xatze arian daficulnio miukerZo-
eblobaze. am SemTxvevaSi mosaxleo-
baSi simSvide da wesrigi iqneba.
arc gayalbebas eqneba adgili da
mxareTa Soris qiSpsa da damdure-
basac moeReba bolo, radgan uxuce-
sebi yovelTvis saukeTesod uweven
Suamdgomlobas.
es wesi unda gavrceldes saqar-
Tvelos yvela raionSi (amaze izru-
nebs saqarTvelos uxucesTa darba-
zi). amiT xalxic kmayofili iqneba
da xelisuflebis mimarTac naklebi
braldebebi iqneba. rac mTavaria, sa-
qarTvelos sakanonmdeblo organoSi
utyvni ki ara, eris rCeuli Svile-
bi moxvdebian.
svanebo! mamapapurad SemouZaxoT
`lileo~ da CavebaT saerTo erov-
nul ferxulSi.
roland niJaraZesaqarTvelos uxucesTa darbazis
aRmasrulebeli mdivani
svanebo! dumili yovelTvis ar aris oqro
18 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
xerxemals adamianis torsis
centraluri Zvlovani sistemis
mTavar RerZs uwodeben. “xerxe-
malSi gadatexvas”, (gadataniTi
formiT), mowinaaRmdegis ganad-
gurebas niSnavs. ai, xerxemlis
gamrudeba ki, rogorc gamocdi-
lebiT viciT, sabolood kuzis
amosvlas iwvevs. “kuzians ki sa-
mare gaasworebso”, _ naTqvamia.
cnobili mkurnalisa da specia-
listis, manana Wyonias Teorias
Tu daveyrdnobiT, xerxemali
organizmis is mTavari RerZia,
romelzec yvela danarCeni or-
ganoebis janmrTelobacaa damo-
kidebuli. dRes, roca ukve
TvalnaTlivad gamoikveTa, rom
saakaSvils, “nacmoZraobasa” da
mmarTveli gundis politikur
reitings ivaniSvilis gamoCeniT
aRudgeneli problemebi Seeqmna
“magar miSad aRzevebulma” kac-
mac, maia nadiraZisgan “nacona-
luri moZraobis” da Tavad “mi-
Sas xerxemalad” Seracxuli va-
no merabiSvilis persona gamo-
wia politikur asparezze. imis
gaTvaliswinebiT, rom “kuzi sa-
mareSi swordeba”, rogor api-
rebs miSas “kuzebis gasworebas”
“gaRletili vano”_ Zneli saT-
qmelia? miTufro roca “es ku-
zi” rogorc xerxemlisa, “mis
pirad kuzs”, “gamrudebuli
xerxemlis Sedegad warmoqmnil
Zvlovan wanazards” warmoad-
gens. Tumca “xerxemal vanos”
Tavisi “xerxemlis gamrudebaca
da kuzebic” ise uxvada hyofnis,
rom ukve “gapremierebuli xer-
xemali da misi kuzi” (miSa)
orive erTad, “orkuziani nacio-
naluri aqlemis” funqcias as-
ruleben. “ rvawliani mmarTve-
lobis dapirebebis didi xurji-
niT” isev mosaxleobis mosatyu-
eblad daZrwian. “saqarTvelos
mxsnelad”, “mesiis saTayvaneb-
lad da gasamefeblad” misuli
mogvebiviT, “oqros, gun-
druksa da murs” sTava-
zoben qarTvel xalxs.
“xerxemal-mesiasac” da
“qerubimad” (ufro swo-
red farSevangad) adevne-
buli misi “kuzi”(miSa)
enasa da brtyel-brtye-
lebs ar iSureben, raTa
“gamrudebuli xerxemlis
lariviT sisworeSi” da-
arwmunon qarTveli kaci!
nacmoZraobis “mola-
parake nacionalma TuTi-
yuSebmac” esao da vano
viTom “sityvis kaciao”.
hoda, (Tu saakaSvilis
tyuilebis aRar gje-
raT), radgan danapirebs es kaci
yovelTvis asrulebs, axlac
Segvisrulebso! visi idea da
mofiqrebuli iyo biZina ivaniS-
vilTan “xerxemal merabiSvi-
lis” figuris dapirispireba_
Zneli saTqmelia. naklebsavarau-
doa, rom saakaSvilis pirvelo-
bis usazRvro ambiciis pirobeb-
Si, mas sxvisi (gansakuTrebiT ki
vanos) pirveloba TavisiT moe-
survebinos! saxelis gatexvis
Semdeg, “Tavis gatexvis win”,
mas sxva gamosavali ubralod
aRar hqonda. “nacionaluri sa-
xeebidanac” viTom SedarebiT
reitinguli da “sityvis kacic”
amitom SearCies. Torem “vaniCkas
saqmeni sagmironis” mqone kacs,
ivaniSvilis winaaRmdeg sxva
SemTxvevaSi romeli WkuaTmyo-
feli wamoayenebda? “gaRletili
xerxemalic” swored ivaniSvils
rom daupirispires, amaze “gaR-
letili xerxemalisgan” ivaniS-
vilis winaarCevno programis
sityva-sityviT dapirebebis game-
orebac miuTiTebs. Tavis “mWevr-
metyvelur gamosvlebSic” vano-
ze upiratesobis warmosaCenad
Tavad miSasac xom araerTxel
uRadavia “gaRletil-
ze”? arc merabiSvilis
bolo saparlamento
gamosvla: “policias
nacionalur moZraoba-
ze maRali reitingi aq-
vso” _ iqneboda amis
mizezi. unda vivarau-
doT, rom merabiSvilis
“gapremier-ministre-
biT” saakaSvilma masze
“maRali reitingis
gaRletili konkuren-
ti miaCoCa”, riTac da-
pirebebisa da tyuile-
bis Tqmis “nacionale-
bis winasaarCevno upi-
ratesobac” axla mera-
biSvils “SeaCeCa xel-
Si”. Tu “xerxemals gamouva”
xom kargi, Tu ara da es dapi-
rebebi “gamrudebuli xerxemlis
kuzis tyuilebis xurjins” xom
aRar miemateba? amitom “Zleva-
mosili gaRletilic”, romelic
miSasgan gansxvavebiT arcTu su-
lelia, dgas axla da biZina iva-
niSvilis winasaarCevno progamis
“suflireba-dublirebiT” mosax-
leobisTvis Tavis mowonebas
eweva. daaxloebiT, “ori marine,
ori giorgis asuli, ori fera-
Zis msagvsad”. viciT, miSasi rom
aRar gjeraT, magram oRond iva-
niSvils nu miscemT xmas da aT-
jer, asjer mets mogcemT “gaR-
letili xerxemalio”. Cven ki,
visac nacionalebis winasaarCev-
no tyuilebi araerTxel mogvis-
menia, gogebaSvilis “matyuara
vanos ambavi” gvaxsendeba: “mge-
li, mgelio”, vin icis, meramde-
ned rom moatyua Tanasoflele-
bi. bolos ki, mgeli marTla
rom movida- aRaravin daujera.
imasac bevri SeamCnevda, ivaniS-
vilis gamoCenis Semdeg, (gamou-
vali mdgomareobis gamo), saa-
kaSvili ukve “wyvil-wyvilad
rom afrens mwyerebs”. imasac
dainaxavdiT, rom Sexvedrebsac,
am bolo dros, sul ufro xSi-
rad studentebTan, sabavSvo ba-
Ris bavSvebTan da axla ukve
samSobiaroebSi _ CvilebTanac
rom marTavs. zrdasruli da
WkuaTmyofeli adamianebis Sex-
vedrebze moyvanac, “nacionalur
moZraobas” ivaniSvilis gamoCe-
nis Semdeg sul ufro da ufro
uZneldeba. aRarc “yviTeli av-
tobusebiT bunebis wiaRSi gase-
irneba” Wris da Cans, aRarc mu-
qarebi.
aseTma politikurma svlam
bevri Caagdo sagonebelSi. “vano
xalxis mxares dadga da miSam
amitom CaaCoCao” _ ifiqra zog-
ma. zogma saakaSvilisgan axal
mTavrobaSi darCenis, garantiisa
da Tavis gadarCenis gzebis Zie-
ba dainaxa. zogma kidev (axalai-
as sisastikisa da maniakaluri
midrekilebebis mcodnem) _ ar-
Cevnebis gayalbebisas xalxis
dasarbevad misi gamoyenebis sur-
vili. asea Tu ise, dRes biZina
ivaniSvilis fexdafex, region-
region da sofel-sofel “gam-
rudebuli xerxemali vaniCka”
da misi “kuzi” miSa aqtiur wi-
naasarCevno kampanias atareben
da yvelas imaSi arwmuneben, rom
“Zlevamosili vano Tavisi ku-
zis” “lariviT swori”, “sarosa
msgavsi” da zneobrivi principe-
biT “TovliviT spetaki” premi-
er-ministria. is ki, rac “xerxe-
malma” Tavisi Zlevamosilebis
ganmavlobaSi qarTveli xalxis
Tavze moawia, mxolod
Cveni “masobrivi sizmri-
sa da molandebis” Sede-
gia?! “wiklaur-Tavxeli-
Zeebis piriT molaparake
feisbuqelebisganac” aR-
iniSna, rom egec Tqven:
“aki ambobdiT, “gaRle-
tilma” laparaki ar
iciso? vanos ki Turme
“laparakic scodnia” da
arc iseTi ena blua”,
rogoric gvegona?! “gaR-
letilis” metyvelebaSi
gancdili transforma-
ciac” imaSi gamoixata,
rom Tu adre “pirSi mo-
xarSuli kartofiliT saubrob-
da” da arc uazrobebis Tqmas ak-
lebda, axla (Cans logopedebs
kargad umuSaviaT) da Sedaree-
biT danawevrebulad da gasage-
bad metyvelebs. “Zlevamosil va-
niCkad”, karg organizatorad da
“yuradRebian Sefad”
cnobili “didi gaRle-
tilic” ukve farTo ma-
sebis winac Cndeba da
aRarc “fardis ukan”
imaleba. “feradi revo-
luciebiT” mosuli
premierebis bedic “va-
niCkas” presis furcle-
bidan araerTxel Seax-
senes. zoran jinjiCisa
(iugoslaviis premier-
ministri) da Jvanias
magaliTebis (pirvelo-
bisadmi saakaSvilis pa-
Tologiuri miswrafe-
bis gaTvaliswinebiT), fonze,
albaT, arc yofil Zlevamosil-
sa da “gaRletils” uweria di-
di dro. Tu, rasakvirvelia, “va-
niCka” Tavad aqeT ar apirebs mi-
SasTvis daswrebas.
rac Seexeba vanos “sityvis
kacobasa” da danapireb “keTil-
dReobas”, “kacobaca” da “xal-
xis keTTildReobaze zrunvac”
merabiSvilma girgvlian_enuqiZe-
ebis ojaxis gaubedurebiT, Svi-
di noembris aqciaze uiaraRo,
xeleb aweul adamianebTan usas-
tikesad gasworebiT, telekompa-
nia “imedis” dalewviT, 6 da 26
maisis darbevebis
magaliTze daamt-
kica! es xom isev
is “xuWuWa da pa-
tara” vanoa, ro-
melmac xan erT,
xan meore uwyebaSi
amdenxniani bato-
nobiT imdeni qone-
ba daagrova “sare-
zervo mefed” mu-
Saobisas, rom
“oligarqobaSi”
biZina ivaniSvils
ki ara, SesaZloa
bil geiTsac ar Ca-
mouvardeba? es
swored is vano
araa, vinc jer ki-
dev “moqalaqeTa
kavSiris” komite-
tis Tavmjdomare-
obisas, germanele-
bisgan reestris
dakompleqtebisT-
vis gadmoricxuli milionebiT
qarTuli teritoriebis yoveli
kuTxe-kunWuli aRwera da yve-
laferi Seiswavla, Cveni isto-
riuli miwebis gayidva-gasxvise-
bisTvis nacionalebs winaswari
baza xelSi rom sWerodaT? es
vano ar iyo, vinc (gundis Sig-
niT CaSvebis ambavSi, komitetis
Tavmjdomareobisas), rusul
presaSi Tavisi gundis lideris
sawinaaRmdego gancxadebebi gaa-
keTa? aseT saqciels ki “sityvis
kacebi da kai kacebi” ar sCadian.
es is “sityvis kaci” araa,
viszec mTeli saqarTvelo “aRS-
foTebuli CurCulebda” imas,
rom biZaSvilis gaupatiurebis
mcdelobis gamo, jer kidev mar-
Tla “gaRletili xerxemali”
Tanasoflelebma sofel udedan
gamoaZeves da mamida ifarebda?
is “gaRletili vano” ar aris,
romlis xelSewyobisa da SeTan-
xmebis gareSec “meore gaRleti-
li”_ oqruaSvili Tavisi uzar-
mazari qonebisa da milionebis
saqarTvelodan gatanas ver SeZ-
lebda? is “xerxemali vano” ar
aris, romelic amdeni weli “ver
xedavda” im yvelafers, raSic
axla mxolod da mxolod iva-
niSvilis sapirwoned miliardo-
biT investiciebis Cadebas gvpir-
deba? es miliardebic qarTveli
xalxis gaRletiT ar iSovnes
man da misma “yavlgasulma mTa-
varsardalma”? an iqneb axla,
Cvenganve waglejili fulis
Cvenze daxarjvisTvis ar iTxovs
Cvengan “xerxemali vano da misi
kuzi” saarCevno xmebs? an imis
Tu gjeraT vinmes, rom “sityvis
kacma”, vinc qarTuli sasoflo-
sameurneo, sasaZovre miwebisa da
naTesebis ucxoelebze gasxvise-
baSi “fasdaudebeli saqme gauke-
Ta nacionalebs”_ axla “miweb-
gayidul sofelsa da glexs” me-
urneobas auyvavebs? ra Tqma un-
da, wiklaurs, oCiaurs, Tavxe-
liZes, CorgoleiSvils, nodias
da “nacionalebis mematiane mas-
xaras” amis “sjeraT”. sjeraT,
radgan qarTuli saxelmwifoeb-
rioba maT arc arasdros adar-
debdaT da sakuTari “gaRleti-
li jibeebis amovsebaze” fiq-
robdnen yovelTvis. Tumca qar-
Tvel xalsa da maT, vinc “naci-
onalebis” yalb da flid moZra-
obaSi qarTveli xalxis mosaS-
Tobad mosuli manqurTebi imTa-
viTve amoicno, arc manamade sje-
roda maTi da arc axla.
baia amaSukeli
gadrekili xerxemali vano da misi kuzi miSa saakaSvili
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dRes ukrainaSi? mTeli ukrainis
masStabiT, mravalaTasiani mi-
tingebi daiwyo _ rogor, gagvi-
bedeT da zogierT qalaqebSi,
rusul enas regionalur enad
rogor gvTavazobTo?!
anda, daakvirdiT ukrainisa
da Tundac ruseTis saprotesto
mitingebze upirvelesad ras us-
vamen xazs?
momitingeebs pirvel
mwkrivSi _ xatebi da is sa-
eklesio droSebi moaqvT,
romlebic maTTvis ara mxo-
lod wmidaTawminda atribu-
tikaa aramed sakuTari, mar-
Tlmadidebluri mrwamsis
dadasturebac da, Tu gne-
bavT, mTavari gzavnili ma-
sonuri msofliosTvis _
araferi SegeSaloTo!
CvenTan? CvenTan `nuras
ukacravad~, _ rogorc amas
saaka ambobs da amitomacaa
yvelaferi ise midis, ro-
gorc Tavad saakas Svils unda!
rusuli enis regionalur enad
gamocxadebis kanonproeqtis gan-
xilvas, ukrainul parlamentSi,
anu `rada~-Si, araTu cema-tyepa,
aramed parlamentis Tavmjdoma-
ris, gvarad litvinis nebayof-
lobiT gadadgomac mohyva! xolo
maT, vinc ZirSive gaacnobiera am
kanonproeqtis veragoba _ is de-
putatebi quCaSi gavlen, zustad
erT saaTSi ki TiTqmis mTeli
ukraina daiZra saerTo poziciis
dasacavad!
ai, Zmao, xalxi!
aba, miTxariT _azerbaijanuli da so-mxuri enebi, regiona-lur enebad rom gvi-feSqaSes `saakaSvileb-
ma~_ vinmes protesti,an parlamentSi, andaquCaSi, gamouxatavs, aninglisuri ena `meoremSobliuris enis~ as-peqtSi rom Segvtenes _tyuilia?
aba, erTi wuTiT warmoidgi-
neT ukrainis `radas~, religia-
TaSorisi Tanasworobis kanoni
mieRo da marTlmadidebluri ki-
evisaTvis aqeT eqnia TiTi _ to-
lerantulebi iyaviT, ra moxde-
boda?
anda, igive ruseT-Sic rom mieRoT es ka-noni, Camomjdariyoaleqsi II savarZelSi,gverdiT moesva rusu-li `sodi~, `kudi~ dadanarCenebi, SeSinebo-da evrokavSiris Tusxva saxelmwifoebismuqaris _ marTlmadi-debluri ruseTi ariquxebda?!
iquxebda ki ara, qvasqvaze ar datovebda daTavisi qveynis religi-as kbilebiT daicavda!
ai, ukrainelebi ki ukve kbi-
lebiT icaven sakuTar enas da,
rogorc ukve mogaxseneT, kievi
axali revoluciis molodiniT
cxovrobs, ukve imitom, rom
maTTvis principulad mniSvne-
lovania ena, religia da sakuTa-
ri qveyana, anu mamuli!
dRevandeli prezidenti
ianukoviCi `radas~ axal vadam-
del arCevnebze alaparakda, mag-
ram ukraineli xalxi araTu axa-
li parlamentis arCevnebs, jer,
upirvelesad, ianukoviCis impiC-
ments iTxovs, xolo Semdeg va-
damdel saprezidento arCevnebs!
didi albaTobiT _ ukraine-
li xalxi araTu `regionaluri
rusuli enis~ winaaRmdeg miaR-
wevs sawadels, aramed aseve di-
di albaTobiT, Tavisi qveynis
pirvel pirsac male gadaayenebs
da airCevs imas, visTvisac ukra-
ina, ukraineli xalxi da ukrai-
nuli ena iqneba umTavresi!
Cven? _ Cven ar unda vimitin-
goT!
Cven? _ Cven ar unda Camov-
yaroT xidan foTlebi!
Cven? _ Cven ar SeiZleba ra-
me vukarnaxoT `wminda sinods~!
Cven? _ Cven saqarTvelos
parlamentis ukanono dadgeni-
lebebs mSvidad unda SevxvdeT!
Cven? _ Cven ar SeiZleba mo-
viTxovoT gayalbebuli arCevne-
bis SedegTa anulireba!
Cven? _ Cven ar `gvekadreba~
araTu vadamdeli arCevnebis
moTxovna, aramed saakas impiCmen-
tic ki!
Cven? _ Cven saerTod yvela-
feri agvikrZales da amitomac
gvkadreben aseve yvelafers jer
`Sinauri~ inaurebi, xolo Sem-
deg `inaurebis~ Sinaurebi!
nu vimitingebT, nu aRvSfoT-
debiT da nurc gavcofdebiT, ba-
tono!
da, amiT rasac miviRebT
_`ager~ Tqven da `ager~ Cven!
irine gogosaSviliP.S. aRniSnuli mosazreba
ukve dawerili mqonda, roca
`wminda sinodis~ istoriuli
`gadawyvetilebis~ Sesaxeb Se-
vityve. kerZod is, rom sasuli-
ero pirebs masobrivi TavSeyris,
anu mitingebsa da demonstraci-
ebze misvla ekrZalebaT!
marTlac `saSuri~ gadawyve-
tilebaa `mamebo~ verafers ity-
vi! magram patriarq SiolaSvils
minda vkiTxo: _ amis Semdeg arc
xelisuflebis Tavyrilobebze
ivliT Tqven da Tqveni `wminda
sinodi~, Tu es gadawyvetileba
mxolod xelisuflebis moZule-
Ta Tavyrilobebze vrceldeba?
da erTic _ netav, xalxis
gverdiT rodis ideqiT, ro?
eris da beris erTad dgomis
problema rom aris, xatebi sa-
qarTveloSi amitomac tirian!
Tqven ki saakas Svilis wya-
lobiT, mudam mxiarul xasiaTze
brZandebiT!
nu idardebT, me ra menaRv-
leba? magram, RmerTis geSino-
deT, RmerTis! imitom, rom eSma-
kis msaxuris sasargeblod miRe-
buli iqauri gadawyvetileba iq-
neba is ganaCeni, romelic aq, mi-
waze, Cvens mier ki ara, aramed
`iq~, zeviT iqneba miRebuli da
Semdeg verc giorgi-eeduard Se-
vardnaZe giSveliT da verc mi-
Sa-ggriSa saakas Svili, gamigeT?
exla, modiT da damwyevleT!
Tumca, ra?
Tqvens arc wyevlas aqvs Za-
la da arc locvas, radgan sa-
qarTvelo am ubedurebidan gamo-
dis ki ara, piriqiT ukunSi mie-
qaneba!
xolo, Tuki sabolood ar
gavnadgurdiT _ es Tqveni ki
ara, WeSmaritad morwmune Savo-
sani berebis sadReRamiso loc-
vebis damsaxurebaa, romlebsac
aTonze da aq, mitovebul sena-
kebSi aRavlenen uflisa da
RvTismSoblis sadideblad!
ukraina quxs,saqarTvelo dums...
vano merabiSvilis mier
gamoqveynebuli priori-
tetebi aRiarebaa imisa,
rom dRevandeli mTav-
roba 8 wlis ganmavlobaSi ang-
revda qveyanas.
ras unda niSnavdes me-
rabiSvilis gapremiere-
ba? vanos politikuri
ambiciebis gazrdas Tu
saakaSvilis SiSs? merabiSvilis
mxridan saakaSvilisTvis arasa-
surveli politikuri svlebis ga-
keTebis SemTxvevaSi, faqtiurad
miSa kargavda policiaze kont-
rols da Zalian martivad das-
ruldeboda nacionaluri moZrao-
bis parpaSi. amave dros, Zneli
warmosadgenia, ras izamen poli-
cielebi, romlebic vanoze locu-
loben da miSas dedas agineben.
miSam amerikelebis rCe-
va xelisuflebis gada-
barebasTan dakavSirebiT
gaiTvaliswina da xeli-
sufleba biZina ivaniSvilis nacv-
lad vano merabiSvils gadaabara...
erTi irakli oqruaS-
vilma gaitana qarTuli
Rvino msoflio bazarze
da meore vano merabiS-
vili dascems beWebze umuSevro-
bas.
miuxedavad aTasi karu-
selisa, nacmos minist-
rebi erTmaneTSi saerTo
enas yovelTvis moZebni-
an, samegobroc saerTo hyavT da
interesebic. mTavaria, xelisuf-
leba SeinarCunon, xolo amisTvis
yvela miSaSkini yvelaferzea wam-
svleli.
Zalian susti var maTe-
matikaSi da amixseniT,
Tu RmerTi gwamT: Tu
mosaxloebis erTi mexu-
Tedi aris ukiduresad gaWirvebu-
li da iricxeba siRaribis zRvars
qvemoTa siebSi, umuSevroba mxo-
lod 15 procenti rogoraa, ro-
gorc axla televizoridan meub-
neba eqsperti jafariZe?
xooo, aq adre viRaca
mimtkicebda, ar izams
magas nikao.....a, batono
Tu ar aris mzad..... ax-
la merab sefaSvils Casvamen sia-
Si da nika daukravs, merabi imRe-
rebs:d:d:;d da sofelic aSende-
ba:d:d:d mere opozicidan zogi
iWidavebs, zogi icekvebs da meti
ki araferi unda soflis mSebe-
lobas:d:d:d kanonebsac virtua-
lurad miiReben da rogorc vanom
Tqva, sxdomebis Catareba aRar iq-
neba saWirooo
amerikeli pedagogebis
feisbuqSi garyvnili
fotoebi Tu ar aris
danaSauli, qarTveli
pedagogebis politikurad gansx-
vavebuli azri ratom isjeba?!
dRes, am xelisuflebis
moSorebisTvis, goneba,
niWi da lavirebaa saWi-
ro. vadrovoT am kacs.
araa imis Citi, ver gaarkvios, vin
vinaa. dRemde polixronios Zaxi-
liT davyavdiT opozicias. xan sta-
dionze, xan ipodromze. parlament-
Tan a. S. Zalian minda moveswro ka-
cebs xelisuflebaSi! dalagebul
qveyanas! televizias politikis ga-
reSe da qalebs rusTavelze!
xalxis azriT
20 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
gardatexis asakSi organizm-
Si mimdinare rTuli anatomiur-
funqciuri cvlilebebi adekva-
turad mozardis fsiqo-emociur
sferozec aisaxeba. am asakSi
isini yvelaze mwvaved ganicdian,
roca sakuTari miswrafebebi
harmoniulad ver erwymis rea-
lobas. dauZleveli winaaRmde-
gobebi maTSi gardatexis asakis
nevrozis winapirobas qmnis.
fsiqoemociuri Zvrebi gansakuT-
rebuli simwvaviT mimdinareobs
dediserTa bavSvebSi, romlebic
aRmoaCenen, rom ojaxSi erTa-
derTni da ganumeorebelni mego-
barTa Soris aseTive adgils
ver imkvidreben.
gardatexis asakSi
gvitevs asTeniuri
sindromi
yvelaze xSirad es zogadi
sisuste, anu asTeniuri sindro-
mia, romelic gonebrivi da fi-
zikuri Sromisas momatebul
daRlilobaSi, fizikuri da
fsiqiuri diskomfortis mudmiv
SegrZnebaSi gamoixateba.
mozardebs sruliad umize-
zod xSirad da swrafad ecvle-
baT guneba, ase vTqvaT, mtirala
ganwyobileba ueflebaT, uqveiT-
debaT Sromis unari da yu-
radRebis koncentracia. zogi
mexsierebis daqveiTebas uCivis;
Sesabamisad, klebulobs skola-
Si akademiuri moswrebis done,
rac TviTdamkvidrebis mosurne
mozards kidev ufro urTulebs
mdgomareobas, masSi badebs pesi-
mizmis, arasrulfasovnebis Seg-
rZnebas, urTulebs Tanatoleb-
Tan da axloblebTan urTierTo-
bebs.
Tavis tkivili
bevri mozardi uCivis Tavis
tkivils, romelic mudmiv xasi-
aTs atarebs da garemozea damo-
kidebuli. igi gansxvavebuli
lokalizaciisaa: Subli, warbi,
kefa, mTlianad Tavi. tkivili
xasiaTis mixedviT wneviTi, mo-
pulsire da mqaCavia.
momatebuli
mgrZnobeloba garemo
gamRizianeblebisadmi
mozardebi Znelad itanen
xmaurs, skolis zari usiamovno
SegrZnebebs iwvevs, zedmet
mgrZnobelobas amJRavneben si-
naTlis, sunebis, Sexebisadmi. am
faqtorTa gavleniT ara marto
Tavis tkivili uZlierdebaT,
aramed ofliandebian da sisxl-
ZarRvovani reaqciebi uviTarde-
baT.
Zilis darRveva
Zilis dro mokldeba da igi
mSfoTvare xdeba. erTni swra-
fad iZineben, magram maleve iR-
viZeben da uZiloba awuxebT, me-
oreni ki, piriqiT, Znelad iZi-
neben da gamouZineblebi dgebian.
dRis pirvel naxevarSi moTen-
Tilebi arian da mxolod meore
naxevarSi axerxeben mobilize-
bas. bevri maTgani ZilSi lapa-
rakobs, Tumca gamoRviZebis Sem-
deg ar axsovT, raze saubrobd-
nen.
xSiria ZilSi siaruli, zo-
gi maTgani dgeba, magidaze niv-
Tebs alagebs, CanTaSi awyobs,
rTul moZraobebs asrulebs,
zogierTs aReniSneba RamiT Sar-
dis Seukavebloba,
rac gansakuTrebiT
amZimebs isedac arc-
Tu saxarbieli md-
gomareobas.
gul-
sixlZarRovani
moSlilobani
gardatexis asak-
Si xSiria gulis
areSi tkivili, arc-
Tu iSviaTad, aRmo-
cenebuli tkivili
marTlac emTxveva
funqciur cvlile-
bebs gulis areSi _
saymawvlo ariTmias, xSirdeba
majiscema, gulSi imatebs funq-
ciuri xmauri, arteriuli wne-
va xSirad icvleba... yovelive
es iwvevs gangaSis SegrZnebas da
qmnis imis niadags, rom mozards
sikvdilis an sxva saxis fobie-
bi uCndeba. am dros mSoblebi
gansakuTrebiT frTxilad unda
iyvnen da mozardis Tandaswre-
biT kategoriulad ar isaubron
gulis daavadebebze da am mize-
ziT gamowveul sikvdilze.
saWmlis momnelebel
sistemaSi aRmocenebuli
cvlilebebi
zogjer Tavs iCens saWmlis
momnelebeli traqtis sekreto-
ruli da motoruli funqciis
darRvevebi, rac vlindeba muc-
lis areSi tkiviliT, madis daq-
veiTebiT, defekaciis darRveviT.
Tavs iCens gardatexis asakis
anoreqsia, romelic gansakuT-
rebiT xSiria gogonebSi, isini
Tavs msuqan da arasrulfasovan
adamianebad miiCneven da absolu-
turad uars amboben sakvebze.
garkveuli periodis Semdeg Wa-
ma saerTod aRar SeuZliaT, mi-
uxedavad imisa, rom ukve Wamis
survili aqvT _ aseTebs speci-
aluri mkurnaloba esaWiroebaT.
nevrozis dros xelsayreli
garemos SeqmniT mozardebi yo-
velgvari Carevis gareSe gamo-
dian mdgomareobidan, Tumca
gardatexis asakis dasrulebis
Semdeg (18-20 weli), Tu igive
cvlilebebi SenarCundeba, auci-
lebelia kvalificiuri samedi-
cino Careva.
isteria da
akviatebuli azrebi
zogjer, yuradRebis miqce-
vis mizniT, mozardebSi xSiria
isteriuli Setevebi: yvirian
ganrisxebulni, ixeven tanze
tansacmels, iglejen Tmas, amt-
vreven WurWels, ikbenen xelebs,
ifurTxebian, Tavs esxmian sru-
liad udanaSauloebs. Setevis
xangrZlivoba damokidebulia ma-
yurebelTa raodenobasa da maT
reaqciaze _ rac meti mayurebe-
lia da TanagrZnobas grZnobs
maTi mxridan, miT xangrZlivia
Seteva, romlis Semdegac aRar
iZineben, iwyeben Civilsa da
moTqma-godebas.
Setevisas zogierTi ritmu-
lad ganmeorebiT moZraobebs as-
rulebs, isteriuli mozarde-
bisTvis damaxasiaTebelia damb-
lebi, kontraqturebi, magali-
Tad, maT SeuZliaT sawolSi fe-
xebis moZraoba, magram ver dge-
bian da ver dadian. uCndebaT ve-
getatiuri moSlilobani _
bronqospazmi, romlis drosac
ar SeuZliaT saubari, ylapva,
aqvT krunCxviTi xvela, isteri-
uli Rebineba, haeris ukmariso-
ba, asTmuri Setevebi, sxeulis
temperaturis mateba da sxva.
irRveva metyveleba _ xSi-
ria enis isteriuli borZiki,
romelic gansxvavdeba sxva
formebisgan, isteri-
uli mutizmi _
metyvelebis sruli
uqonloba an nawi-
lobrivi, mozardi
munjdeba an SerCevi-
Tad saubrobs.
xSiria akviate-
buli azrebiT ga-
mowveuli probleme-
bic, rodesac mozar-
di aiCemebs ararea-
lur da ausrule-
bel survils da mi-
si Seusrulebloba
masSi ukve did fsi-
qo-emociur gancdas
iwvevs.
gardatexis asa-
kis nevrozi xSirad
araswori aRzrdis
Sedegia, misi masti-
muleblebi zogjer
Tavad mozrdilebi ki ara, mSob-
lebi, maswavleblebi, ojaxis
sxva wevrebi arian, romlebic
ugulebelyofen mozardis Tavi-
seburebebs da maT angariSs ar
uweven. Seqmnil viTarebaSi er-
TaderTi gamosavali swored am
asakis fsiqo-fiziologiur Ta-
viseburebaTa codna da maTi
gaTvaliswinebaa.
kataraqta _ Tvalis brolis
sruli an nawilobrivi SemRvre-
va, misi gamWvirvalobis dakarg-
vaa. kataraqtisas Tvalis bro-
li monacrisfro, monacrisfro-
TeTri an rZisferi xdeba.
ramdenime wlis winaT igi
ZiriTadad xandazmulTa paTo-
logiad miaCndaT; Tumca, samwu-
xarod, ofTalmologiuri praq-
tika gviCvenebs, rom es ase aRar
aris _ dRes sul ufro xSiria
daavadebis SemTxvevebi 35-40
wlis adamianebSi.
ra iwvevs brolis
SemRvrevas
arsebobs daavadebis Tanda-
yolili da SeZenili, progresi-
rebadi da araprogresirebadi
formebi.
Tandayolili kataraqta Cve-
ulebriv ar progresirebs.
mizezis mixedviT, SeZenili
kataraqtis formebi ramdenime
jgufad iyofa:
_ asakobrivi _ moxucebul-
Ta kataraqta.
_ travmuli _ gamowveuli
rogorc kontuziiT, ise uSua-
lod Tvalis kaklis dazianebiT;
_ garTulebuli kataraqte-
bi _ Tvalis sisxlZarRvovani
garsis anTebis, glaukomis, ba-
duras pigmenturi gadagvarebisa
da Tvalis zogierTi daavadebis
Sedegad ganviTarebuli formebi.
_ sxivuri kataraqtebi sxi-
vuri energiiT brolis daziane-
bis Sedegia _ infrawiTeli,
rentgenisa da radiaciuli ga-
mosxivebis, es ZiriTadad pro-
fesiuli daavadebaa.
_ toqsikuri _ am jgufs mi-
ekuTvneba wamlismieri kataraq-
ta, romelicASesaZlebelia Ca-
moyalibdes kortikosteroide-
bis, antimalariuli preparate-
bis an sxva medikamentTa xangr-
Zlivad miRebis Semdgom.
_ organizmis
zogadi daavadebe-
biT gamowveuli
kataraqta, rome-
lic viTardeba
Saqriani diabe-
tis, hipoTireo-
zis (viTardeba
farisebri jirkv-
lis hormonebis
deficitis Sede-
gad), Tirkmlis
daavadebebisa da
nivTierebaTa cv-
lis zogierTi
darRvevis fonze.
_ daavadebas
mniSvnelovanwi-
lad gansazRvravs
memkvidruli niSan-Tvisebebic.
rogor amovicnoT
daavadeba
pacientebs Cveulebriv awu-
xebT mxedvelobis daqveiTeba,
rac damokidebulia brolis
SemRvrevis xarisxze, intensivo-
basa da lokalizaciaze.
brolis periferiaze SemRv-
revisas mxedveloba TiTqmis ar
ziandeba, Tumca rodesac igi
centrSia lokalizebuli, Zli-
er azianebs mxedvelobas, sru-
li SemRvrevisas ki maT mxolod
sinaTlis sibnelisgan garCevis
unariRa aqvT.
Tu pacienti ver aRiqvams
sinaTles da ar SeuZlia sinaT-
lis wyaros mimarTulebis miTi-
Teba, savaraudod, mas Tvalis
sxva dazianebebic aqvs: glauko-
ma, baduris Camofrcqvna da
sxva. am SemTxvevaSi kataraqtis
mkurnaloba yovelTvis mxedve-
lobis aRdgeniT ar mTavrdeba.
rogor moviqceT
kataraqtis sawyis stadiaze
mizanSewonilia konservatiuli
mkurnaloba, radgan zogierTi
formisas SesaZloa brolis
SemRvreva gaiwovos.
antikataraqtuli prepara-
tebi Cveulebriv Tvalis wveTe-
bia, romlebsac pacientebi dRe-
Si 3-5-jer iwveTeben TvalSi.
maTi didi nawili Seicavs
vitaminebis kompleqss, biogenur
stimulatorebsa da araorga-
nul marilebs.
im SemTxvevaSi ki, rodesac
daavadeba garTulebulia da me-
dikamentur mkurnalobas sasur-
veli Sedegi ar moaqvs, daxmare-
bis erTaderT efeqtian saSua-
lebad mkurnalobis qirurgiu-
li meTodi rCeba.
uwin SemRvreuli brolis
eqstraqciamde saWiro iyo da-
lodebodnen kataraqtis srul
momwifebas; dRes Tanamedrove
meTodebi operaciis nebismier
stadiaze Catarebis saSualebas
iZleva.
prognozisTvis mniSvnelova-
nia, Tu rogoria badurisa da
mxedvelobis nervis funqciuri
unari.
kataraqtis operacia erT-
erTi yvelaze xSiri Tvalis
operaciaa, mis Semdgom marTe-
bulia ramdenime rekomendaciis
gaTvaliswineba: saWiroa fizi-
kuri datvirTvebis Semcireba,
simZimeebis awevisgan Tavis Seka-
veba.
naoperaciebma adamianebma
mzis Zlieri gamosxivebisa da
sinaTlis pirobebSi damcavi
saTvaleebi unda ataron.
kiTxva da televizoris yu-
reba rekomendebulia mxolod
dRis saaTebSi, sibneleSi amgva-
ri moqmedebebi ikrZaleba.
operaciaTa 90-95 procenti
warmatebiT sruldeba. mis Semd-
gom aRdgeba mxedveloba da ada-
miani aqtiur cxovrebas ubrun-
deba.
gverdi moamzada
zviad RonRaZe
gardatexis aasakis nnevrozi
kataraqta _ Tvalis CCins ssafrTxe eemuqreba
21saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
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Tbilisis saqalaqo sasamarTlom mxari da-
uWira saxelmwifo auditis mimarTvas da kom-
pania `burji~ opozicioneri miliarderis,
biZina ivaniSvilis koalicia `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ momsaxurebisTvis 8 milion 800 aTasi
lariT (5,2 milioni dolari) daajarima. da-
yadebulia `burjis~ angariSebi da qoneba.
opoziciaSic da `burjSic~ politikur
devnaze laparakoben, agreTve imis Sesaxebac,
rom saxelmwifo auditma kompaniisgan misTvis
gadacemuli dokumentebi gaayalba. laparakia
saremonto samuSaoebze, romlebic ararsebul
ofisebs CautardaT.
saxelmwifom kompania daadanaSaula imaSic,
rom opozicias avtotransporti Semcirebul
fasad SesTavaza.
odnav adre, biZina ivaniSvilma msgavsi
braldebis gamo uari ganacxada gadaexada upreceden-
to jarima _ 45 milioni dolari, ris Semdegac daa-
yadaRes da auqcionze gasayidad gaitanes misi aqciebi
`qarTu jgufSi~, `bank qarTusa~ da `progresbankSi~.
garda amisa, saxelmwifom daiwyo im partie-
bis finansuri devna, romlebic koalicia `qar-
Tul ocnebaSi~ Sedian.
SegaxsenebT: gasul kviras, orSabaTs, saqarT-
velos xelisuflebam auqcionze gasayidad gaita-
na opozicioneri miliarderis biZina ivaniSvilis
26 ivniss dayadaRebuli aqciebi _ `qarTu jguf-
Si~ (100 procenti) da `progresbankSi~ (21,7
procenti). dayadaReba mas Semdeg gadawyda, rac
opoziciis liderma uari Tqva gadaexada 45 mi-
lioni dolari saparlamento saarCevno kampaniis
dros daSvebuli darRvevebisTvis _ Tanamgzavru-
li antenebis SeRavaTian fasad damontaJebiT da
avtotransportiT sargeblobisas agreTve SeRa-
vaTiani pirobebiT ivaniSvili TiTqosda amomrCev-
lis mosyidvas cdilobda.
vestikavkasa.ru
ruseTi asads samxedro daxmarebas
uwyvets da reJims bedis anabarad tovebs
ruseTis xelisuflebis maRalCi-
nosnis cnobiT, ruseTi sirias aRar
gaugzavnis samxedro mowyobilobebsa
da gamanadgureblebs manamde, vidre
qveyanaSi viTareba normalur kala-
potSi ar Cadgeba, wers The Indepe-ndent. gamocema aRniSnavs, rom es na-biji baSar asadis reJimze wnexs
aamaRlebs.
`dResdReobiT, es cnoba aris yve-
laze Zlieri signali Zveli mokavSi-
ris mimarT ruseTis poziciis gasam-
kacreblad. igi Zlier dartymas miaye-
nebs siriis prezidents, romelsac am
dReebSi kofi anani Sexvda da krizi-
sidan TavdaRwevis politikur inicia-
tivebze imsjeles~, _ aRniSnavs poli-
tologi lavdi morisi.
ruseTi iaraRis erT-erTi umsxvi-
lesi mimwodebelia siriisTvis da am
samxedro SeiaraRebis miuwodeblobam
SesaZloa, gawyvitos 4-miliarddola-
riani moqmedi kontraqti, wers gamo-
cemis korespondenti. es nabiji SeaCe-
rebs siriaSi ??-130-is tipis oTxi ga-
manadgureblis gagzavnas, romelTa Se-
saxebac SeTanxmeba SarSan, wlis miwu-
ruls daido.
amis Sesaxeb ruseTis samxedro
uwyebis erT-erTma maRalCinosanma sa-
erTaSoriso aviakosmosuri salonis
`farnboro-2012~-is mimdinareobisas
ganacxada da dasZina _ vidre siriaSi
mdgomareoba ar dastabilurdeba,
iaraRis miwodeba gamoricxulia.
arsebobs sxva niSnebic imisa, rom
moskovi asadis reJimisgan daSoriSo-
rebas apirebs: ruseTis sagareo saqme-
Ta ministrma sergei lavrovma moskov-
Si molaparakebebi gamarTa siriis
opoziciis lider miSel kilosTan da
sxva opoziciuri organizaciebis war-
momadgenlebTan. am Sexvedraze kofi
ananis gegmis ganxorcielebaze imsje-
les.
The Independent
sloveniaSi gamoica iosip broz ti-
tos axali biografia, romlis avtoric
istorikosi ioJe pirJevecia. misi az-
riT, insulti, romelsac stalinis gar-
dacvaleba mohyva, gamoiwvia iugoslavie-
li lideris mier daqiravebulma
mkvlelma. The Daily Beast beWdavs recen-
zias wignze, romelic jerjerobiT mxo-
lod sloveniur enazea dabeWdili da
savaraudod mraval enaze iTargmneba. am
gamocemas safuZvlad udevs im arqivebis
dokumentebi, romlebic yofili iugos-
laviis teritoriazea ganTavsebuli.
1953 wlis 28 Tebervals, RamiT sta-
linma agarakze miiwvia Tavisi axloble-
bi. Sexvedram dilamde gastana. stumre-
bi wavidnen (SemdgomSi yvela erTxmad
aRniSnavda, rom belads cudad yofnisa
araferi etyoboda), stalinma ki, vidre
daiZinebda, mcvelebi daiTxova da ubrZa-
na, ar gaeRviZebinaT. mis oTxSi Suqi sa-
Ramos 18:30 saaTze ainTo, magram dacvam
Ramis 10 saaTamde Sesvla ver gabeda.
stalini iwva iatakze da misive saaTis
gatexili ciferblatiT Tu vimsjelebT,
igi swored 18:30 saaTze daeca.
eqimebi maSinve ar gamouZaxebiaT. is-
torikosTa umravlesoba erTsulovania
_ es gangeb gaaWianures. roca eqimebi,
bolos da bolos, gamoCndnen, saerTo
insultis diagnozi dasves. stalini pa-
ralizebuli iyo da misi agonia ramde-
nime dRes gagrZelda, 5 marts ki garda-
icvala.
cnobilia, rom stalinis brZanebiT
titos 22-jer daesxnen Tavs, maT Soris
`ZvirfaseulobisTvis gankuTvnili zar-
daxSiTac, romlis gaxsnisas nervul-pa-
ralitikuri gazi gamodioda~. pirJeve-
cis xelT arsebuli cnobebiT, stalinis
gardacvalebis dRes, sxva qaRaldebs
Soris aRmoaCines titos werili _ am-
deni mcdeloba ar damWirdeba, erTic
meyofao. istorikosTa garkveul nawils
stalinis bunebrivi sikvdili bunebriv
movlenad miaCniaT, radgan belads ramde-
nime mZime insulti hqonda gadatanili.
gamocemis korespondenti ixsenebs
mosazrebas imis Sesaxeb, rom lenini
swored stalinma mowamla. arsebobs
stalinis 1923 wliT daTariRebuli we-
rili politbiuros saxelze, romlis
Tanaxmadac, lenini iTxovs, miscen kali-
umcianidi, magram stalins, misive sity-
vebiT, `iliCis Txovnis Sesasruleblad
Zala ar eyofa~, da amitomac `iZulebu-
lia, uari Tqvas am misiaze, raoden hu-
manuri da aucilebelic unda iyos es~.
Tu orive versia sworia, maSin arse-
bobs `garkveuli uzenaesi samarTliano-
ba~, _ aseTia recenzentis daskvna.
The Daily Deast
mimoxilva moamzada
g. WavWavaZem.
ruseTi kvlavac ganagrZobs baSar
asadis daxmarebas saSinao da sagareo Za-
lebis winaaRmdeg, romlebsac qveynis
prezidentis gadayeneba surT, wers
Financial Times. `es aris simbo-
lo moskovisa da damaskos urTi-
erTobisa, romelic marTalia, ur-
Rvevi ar aris, magram avtoritaru-
li da antidasavluri ori reJimis
utyuari droebiTi aliansia~, _
wers gamocemis mimomxilveli.
`siriis reJimisTvis ruseTi
aris momxiblveli modeli da imav-
droulad _ gafrTxilebac. erTi
mxriv, am modelma mtkivneuli po-
litikuri transformacia ganicada
imiT, rom didi ziani ar miuyenebia
saxelisuflebo ZalisTvis, meore
mxriv ki _ sabWoTa kavSiris da-
qucmaceba damaskos xelisuflebis-
Tvis safrTxis Semcveli simpto-
mia: yvelaferi daangrio imisTvis,
rom Semdeg aRadgino, _ acxadebs siriis
mTavrobis warmomadgeneli.
dasavleTis qveynebi da maTi mokavSi-
reebi cdilobdnen, SeeqmnaT gardamavali
mTavroba asadis gareSe, magram ruseTma
es iniciativa dabloka. adrec iyo SemTx-
vevebi, roca gaeros uSiSroebis sabWoSi
ruseTma orjer gamoiyena vetos ufleba,
aRekveTaT siriis xelisuflebis sawina-
aRmdego moqmedebebi. rusuli samxedro
SeiaraRebis eqsporti da sxva samxedro
mxardaWera udidesi mniSvnelobisaa asa-
dis reJimisTvis. ruseTis mTavar sayr-
dens warmoadgens sazRvao baza siriaSi
_ qalaq tartusSi. urTierTobis kidev
erTi sayrdeni ekonomikaa _ ruseTi si-
rias ugzavnis xorbals, xolo siriisgan
xilsa da bostneuls yidulobs.
dasavleTis bankebma gawyvites
siriasTan kavSiri, ruseTis finan-
suri institutebi ki _ ÂÒÁ,Âíåøýêîíîìáàíê, Ãàçïðîìáàíê _
siriasTan Cveulebriv reJimSi agr-
Zeleben muSaobas. asadis ojaxis
40-wliani mmarTvelobisas, samxed-
ro da sxva dargis aTasobiT siri-
elma specialistma ganaTleba ru-
seTSi miiRo. arsebobs uamravi Se-
reuli ojaxi. `radganac ruseTSi
vswavlobdi, ase mgonia, rusebi Ce-
mi da-Zmebi arian~ _ ase msjelobs
ruseTmovlili rigiTi sirieli.
`gasakviri ar aris, rom asadis
mowinaaRmdegeebs ruseTis mimarT
simpaTia siZulvilSi gadaezardaT
_ opozicionerebi moskovs mSvido-
biano mosaxleobis ganadgurebaSi asadis
saerTaSoriso Tanamzraxvelad ganixila-
ven~, _ vkiTxulobT gamocemaSi.
Financial Times
biZina ivaniSvilze finansuri wnexi grZeldeba
antidasavluri reJimebis aliansi _ droebiTi Tu urRvevi?
axali wigni: stalini titom mokla
22 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
zviad gamsaxurdia,
kavkasiuri saxli da
radio `Tavisufleba~
nu viqnebiT miamitebi da nu vi-
fiqrebT, rom riCard niqsoni dele-
gaciasTan erTad turistuli mizne-
biT Camovida saqarTveloSi. ra Tqma
unda, es gaxldaT specialuri dava-
lebiT Camosuli amerikis SeerTebu-
li Statebis jgufi, romelsac, gar-
da oficialurad gamoqveynebul in-
formaciaSi gadmocemuli ambebisa,
sxva mizanic gaaCnda.
oficialurad, niqsonma aRniSna,
rom: `mas aqamde ar hqonia saqarTve-
loSi Camosvlis SesaZlebloba. ame-
rikaSi qarTveli xalxi cnobilia
Tavisi brZolisunarianobiT. Cveni
viziti ar aris oficialuri xasia-
Tis, magram Cveni prezidentis dava-
lebiT varT Camosuli da gvevaleba
saqarTvelos politikuri viTarebis
misTvis gacnoba.
Tqvengan miRebuli informaciis
safuZvelze saWiroa delegaciebis
gacvlas intensiuri xasiaTi mieces,
urTierTdamokidebuleba saqarTve-
losTan iqnes ara iseTi, rogorc
sabWoTa kavSirTan iyo. es iqneba ar-
sebiTad axali saxis urTierTkavSi-
ri. amerikis mxare didad aris dain-
teresebuli saqarTvelosTan urTi-
erTobiT... amerikeli xalxi da mTav-
roba did pativs scemen xalxis mi-
er arCeul mTavrobas. amerikas yo-
velTvis miaCnda, rom yovelma xalx-
ma, mis mier arCeulma mTavrobam Tvi-
Ton unda ganagos TavianTi bedi~ (ga-
zeTi `saqarTvelos respublika~,
#61, 1991 w. 30 marti).
ai, swored es gaxlavT oficia-
lurad is, rac riCard niqsonma xma-
maRla brZana, magram... mainc, ra amba-
vi Cautana aSS-s yofilma preziden-
tma amave amerikis moqmed prezi-
dents?
am kiTxvas mogvianebiT vupasu-
xebT.
jer kidev 1990 wlis dekember-
Si zviad gamsaxurdias saqarTvelos
respublikis uzenaesi sabWos pres-
centrSi gamarTul pres-konferenci-
aze erT-erTma Jurnalistma hkiTxa:
`- batono zviad, Seicvleba Tu
ara evropis, msoflios qveynebis da-
mokidebuleba ssrk-Si Semavali res-
publikis erovnul-ganmaTavisufle-
beli moZraobisadmi?~
zviadma am kiTxvas amgvari pasu-
xi gasca:
`- dasavleTSi jer-jerobiT
mxolod diskusiaa am sakiTxebis ir-
gvliv. buSs hyavs opozicia, rome-
lic eubneba, - ratom xarT mCagvre-
lis mxareze? (saocaria, rom Svili
buSic, ramdenime wlis Semdeg, mama-
saviT `mCagvrelebis~ mxareze dadga!
_ j.d.). moraluri aspeqtiT akriti-
keben buSsa da mis pozicias, magram
is Tavisi pragmatuli da politiku-
ri mosazrebebiT upirispirdeba yo-
velive amas. jer-jerobiT asea... Tu
gaimarjvebs swored is zneobrivi
momenti dasavleTis politikaSi,
romelic prezident reiganis dros
batonobda da iyo wamyvani, ai, maSin
SeiZleba gadmoixaros saswori Cvens
mxareze~ (gazeTi `saqarTvelos res-
publika~ #11, 1990 w., dekemberi).
aqve aucileblobad vTvli gavix-
seno, Tu ra damokidebuleba hqonda
zviad gamsaxurdias saer-To kavkasi-
uri saxlis mSeneblobisadmi. ai,
amonaridi zemoTmoyvanili interviu-
dan:
`korespondenti: - batono zviad,
ramdenad realobad migaCniaT saerTo
kavkasiuri saxlis mSenebloba?
zviad gamsaxurdia: - es aris, me
vTvli, Zalian bundovani da ara sa-
Wiro saubari. saerTo saxlze rom
vlaparakobT, jer Cveni sakuTari
saxlebi unda gvqondes. usaxlkaro
adamianebi rom Seikribon da isaub-
ron raRac saerTo saxlze, es aris
utopia da fantazia. jer yvelas Ta-
visi sakuTari saxli unda hqondes,
jer vifiqroT Cven-Cven saxlebze da
yvelam Tavis saxls mixedos~.
ufro sainteresoa zviad gamsa-
xurdias pasuxebi momaval samxedro
gadatrialebis Taobaze:
` _ batono zviad, saqarTvelos
uzenaesma sabWom SeaCera brZaneba
jarebis da miliciis er-Toblivi
moqmedebis Sesaxeb, ra reaqcia mohy-
va amas kremlidan?
-jerjerobiT araviTari reaqcia
ar aris... omis dawyeba ki maT jer-
jerobiT xels ar aZlevT, vidre ame-
rikis SeerTebuli Statebis srul
mxardaWeras ar gainaRdeben~ (gazeTi
`saqarTvelos respublika~ #24,
1991 w. 5 Tebervali).
axla vnaxoT, ras ambobs zviad
gamsaxurdia radio `Tavisuflebis~
Sesaxeb~:
`qarTveli rogor unda daknin-
des imdenad, rom mis qveyanaSi Cata-
rebuli demokratiuli, Tavisufali
arCevnebis Sedegebi ucxoeTidan lan-
ZRos da mosTxaros? amas arc erTi
eri ar akeTebs. magaliTad, aseTi mo-
Ralateebi somxeTSi rom aRmoCndnen,
saxalxod CamoaxrCoben, amdeni moRa-
late arc erT ers ar hyavs... radio
`Tavisuflebis~ qarTuli redaqcia
saqarTvelos mtrebis xel-Sia~
(1991 wlis 2 Tebervali, saqarTve-
los masobrivi informaciis saSua-
lebaTa warmomadgenlebis Sexvedra
respublikis uzenaesi sabWos Tavmj-
domaresTan, zviad gamsaxurdiasTan.
preskonferenciaSi monawileoba mii-
Res `frans presis~ da gazeT `to-
kio singunis~ warmomadgenlebma. ga-
zeTi `saqarTvelos respublika~
#24, 1991 w. 5 Tebervali).
`me radio `Tavisuflebis~ qar-
Tul ganyofilebas vucxadeb boi-
kots, vinaidan is moRalatur saqmi-
anobas eweva. Tqven piradad ki gag-
cemT pasuxs (amas zviadi eubneba ra-
dio `Tavisuflebis~ warmomadgenels
giorgi fofxaZes! _ j.d.), magram mo-
viTxov, rom Cemi saxeliT ar gadai-
ces araferi radio `Tavisufleba-
Si~, vinaidan is moRalatur gzas
adgas~ (gazeTi `saqarTvelos res-
publika~ #38, 1991 w. 26 Teberva-
li).
korespondenti: `faqtia, rom da-
savleTis presaSi saqarTveloSi mim-
dinare procesebis garSemo Camoya-
libda stereotipi, rom TiTqos ar-
sebobs ori uzarmazari dapirispire-
buli Zala _ uzenaesi sabWo da
erovnuli kongresi, rom mimdinare-
obs samoqalaqo omi (rogorc xe-
davT, e.w. dasavleTSi ukve pirdapi-
ri didi muSaoba mimdinareobs, TiT-
qos saqarTveloSi samoqalaqo omia
gaCaRebuli, jer kidev 1991 wlis
martia da ukve, mTeli msoflios
e.w. wamyvani qveynebi, amzadeben kanon-
ieri xelisuflebis damxobas. ro-
gorc viciT, Canafiqri kidec gana-
xorcieles 1991-1992 wels, roca
es Savi saqme dagvirgvinda samxedro
gadatrialebiT! _ j.d.), da es ste-
reotipi arafriT ar gansxvavdeba im
dezinformaciisagan, ris gavrcele-
basac, moskovi cdilobs. ratom ar
dganan dasavleli Jurnalistebi Cve-
ni _ Cagruli eris mxareze?
zviad gamsaxurdia: - `imitom,
rom TviT dasavleli saxelmwifoe-
bis mTavrobebi dganan am poziciaze,
isini dResdReobiT faqtobrivad
mCagvrelTa mxareze arian garkveuli
mizezebis gamo~. (gazeTi `saqarTve-
los respublika~, #49, 1991 w. 13
marti, preskonferencia qarTveli,
sabWoTa da ucxoeli Jurnalistebi-
saTvis).
korespondenti: -~gaerTianebuli
erebis organizaciebidan pasuxebi
xom ar migiRiaT Tqven mimarTvebze
da peticiebze?
zviad gamsaxurdia: -~samwuxa-
rod, jer ara. jerjerobiT gaerTi-
anebuli erebis organizacia mxolod
azia-afrikis qveynebisTvis arsebobs
da ara sabWoTa kavSiris damonebuli
xalxebisaTvis. CvenTan kontaqtebs
ise afaseben, rogorc sabWoTa kavSi-
ris saSinao saqmeebSi Carevas~ (1991
wlis 10 aprilis preskonferencia
qarTveli da ucxoeli Jurnaliste-
bisaTvis).
zviad gamsaxurdia
`natos~ Sesaxeb
zviad gamsaxurdia Zalian
frTxilad ekideboda natoSi saqar-
Tvelos gawevrianebas, radgan icoda
_ am organizaciis gafarToeba aRmo-
savleTisaken aucileblad Seejaxe-
boda ruseTis interesebs. ise, kaci
rom dafiqrdes, - evroamerika xma-
maRla rom gaiZaxis _ kavkasiaSi da
mTel msoflioSi Cveni geostrate-
giuli interesebi gagvaCniao, ra,
ruseTs aRar aqvs araviTari stra-
tegiuli interesebi? Se dalocvi-
lo, - aseuli kilometris manZilze
gsurs xeli afaTuro sxva qveynebis
Sinaur Tu sagareo politikaSi,
sul asiode kilometriT dacile-
bul kavkasiis arealSi ruseTs ukve
aRarc daedgomeba da xmis amoRebis
uflebasac arTmeven?
ra Tqma unda, ruseTi Cinebulad
xedavs, rom mis irgvliv _ dasavle-
TiT, samxreTiT, Sua aziisken nato
TandaTan aviwroebs rkals. ukrainas
da belorusias upireben natoSi ga-
wevrianebas da ufro metic _ sTava-
zoben ruseTs, sxvebi ki ara, Senc
unda Semoxvide natoSio.
1991 wlis 30 maiss, zviad gam-
saxurdiam interviu misca TurqeTis
erT-erT yvelaze gavleniani centra-
luri gazeTis `Turqias~ redaqtors
evropis departamentis xaziT, bi-
lal qoCaks:
kiTxva: - `natos wevrobas Tu
fiqrobT?~
pasuxi: - `jer es ar gadagviwy-
vetia. momavali gviCvenebs~.
`- rogor daicavs Tavs saqarT-
velo?
-formirebis procesSia qarTuli
jari. Cven gvinda samxedro, megobru-
li urTierToba davamyaroT mezobel
qveynebTan~ (gazeTi `saqarTvelos
respublika~, #112, 1991 wlis 7 iv-
nisi).
rogorc interviudan Cans, zviad
gamsaxurdia natoSi Sesvlas momav-
lis Temad Tvlis, xolo qarTuli
jaris formirebisaTvis `mezobeli
qveynebis~ imedi aqvs. amerika da ev-
ropa mezoblebi ar arian. ese igi,
ori qveyanaa sagulisxmo _ ruseTi
an TurqeTi!
natos Taobaze zviad gamsaxur-
dias 1991 wlis 3 ivliss moskovSi
gamarTul preskonferenciaze daus-
ves kiTxva:
` _ amboben, rom saqarTvelo na-
toSi Sesvlas apirebso, marTalia
es?~
zviad gamsaxurdiam kiTxvaze Za-
lian mokled upasuxa:
` _ es sasaciloa~.
1991 wels Jurnalistma v. savi-
Cevma (gaz. `argumenti i faqti~
#55) saubrisas zviad gamsaxurdias
hkiTxa:
`_ Tqvenze amboben, Rrmad morw-
mune kaciao. ras SesTxovT RmerTs
locvisas?~
zviad gamsaxurdiam upasuxa:
`_ amas winaT, dasavleTis er-
Tma gazeTma warwerianad dabeWda
foto, sadac me TiTqos arCevnebSi
Cemi gamarjvebisaTvis vloculob-
di. Cemi piradi warmatebisaTvis
arasodes ar vloculob. vlocu-
lob kacobriobisaTvis, Cemi xalxi-
saTvis~.
rogorc vxedavT, evroamerikam
ukve icis, rom zviad gamsaxurdia
apirebs yvelasgan damoukidebuli
kursiT ataros saqarTvelo... ese
igi, _ frTxilad ekideba natoSi ga-
wevrianebas, icis, es Zalian gaabra-
zebs ruseTs... radgan ukve ician
zviad gamsaxurdias momavali gza,
amitomac wauyrues, saqarTveloze
xeli aiRes da is, rac maT gulSi
hqondaT, ruseTis federacias mian-
des sakeTeblad.
Zalian momgebiani pozicia daika-
ves _ adre Tu gvian ruseTis fede-
raciaSi mokalaTebuli, evroameriku-
li gegmis saidumlod ganmaxorcie-
leblebi moaxerxebdnen zviad gamsa-
xurdias xelisuflebis diskredita-
cias, Semdeg ki damxobas, rac gareg-
nulad ruseTs dabraldeboda... si-
namdvileSi _ TavianTi zraxvebic
aRsruldeboda!
maSasadame _ ruseTi gailanZRe-
boda msoflios TvalSi, radgan zvi-
ad gamsaxurdias xelisuflebis dam-
xoba pirdapir ruseTis sindisze iq-
neboda!
albaT amitom iyo, rom 1991
wlis noemberSi gazeT `gruzia-speq-
tris~ mTavar redaqtorTan saubar-
Si, zviad gamsaxurdiam ganacxada:
` _ ra Tqma unda, axali saxel-
mwifos damoukideblobis cnoba, ub-
ralod ar xdeba. miT umetes, roca
saqme exeba yofil sabWoTa respub-
likebs... samwuxarod isea awyobili
saqme jerjerobiT, rom dasavleTis
qveynebi Sehyureben moskovs, Tu ro-
dis gvcnobs igi damoukideblad.
swored es iyo ZiriTadi mizezi imi-
sa, somxeTi rom axlave ar cno Se-
erTebulma Statebma. ase iqneba sa-
qarTvelos mimarTac. amitom ar miv-
divar vaSingtonSi. me iq Caval ma-
Sin, roca davinaxav, rom dasavleTi
damoukidebel politikas awarmo-
ebs...
reqdaqtori: Cveni opozicia la-
parakobs, saqarTvelos dasavleTi ar
scnobs imis gamo, rom CvenSi...
zviad gamsaxurdia: diqtatu-
raao, ara?
_ diax!
zviad gamsaxurdia: dasavleTi ar
scnobs ukrainas, moldovas, som-
xeTs... maS iqac diqtatura yofila.
ara, es ar aris simarTle. dasavle-
Ti ar cnobs am respublikebis damo-
ukideblobas imitom, rom es ar un-
da moskovs.
redaqtori: magram dasavleTma
ukve daiwyo baltiispireTis saxel-
mwifoebis cnoba, ratom?
zviad gamsaxurdia: baltiispire-
Tis saxelmwifoTa sakiTxebSi maT
moilaparakes da SeTanxmdnen, danar-
Ceni respublikebis Sesaxeb ki maT
Soris sxvanairi molaparakebaa. ese
igi, saqme gvaqvs molaparakebasTan
dasavleTsa da aRmosavleTs Soris.
ase rom, Cvens respublikaSi arsebu-
li mdgomareobis mizeziT viTomda
Cveni arcnoba absurduli, politi-
kurad umecrulia~ (gazeTi `saqarT-
velos respublika~ #223, 1991 w.,
27 noemberi).
amave sakiTxebze saubrobs zviad
gamsaxurdia centraluri televizi-
is JurnalistTan urmas otTan:
` _ iseTi STabeWileba iqmneba,
TiTqos mSvenieri saqarTvelo raRac
izolaciaSia sabWoTa kavSiris mxriv
da gasakviria, dasavleTis mxrivac~.
-es gasakviri ar aris. dasavle-
Ti sabWoTa kavSirs da ruseTs Seh-
yurebs.
-Tqven es winaswar iciT, Tu si-
urprizia TqvenTvis?
-marTali giTxraT, siurprizia.
ar megona, rom dasavleTi amdenad
damokidebulia aRmosavleTze da da-
savleTis sazogadoebriv azrs aqedan
marTaven. ar movelodi aseT rames.
-rogor ggoniaT, mas Semdeg, rac
sabWoTa kavSiris arseboba Sewyda,
dasavleTi Seicvlis Tavis Tvalsaz-
riss saqarTveloze Tu ara?
-jerjerobiT ar Cans, da ara
mgonia, rom es ase swrafad moxdes.
-Tqven sakmaod cudi damokidebu-
leba gaqvT dasavleTis liderebTan?
-diax, es maTi bralia, radgan
isini ar arian dainteresebuli impe-
riis daSliT. es xom cnobilia. Cemi
saxiT ki isini xedaven kacs, rome-
lic imperiis dezintegraciis momx-
rea.
-visi imedi gaqvT, Tqveni Zale-
bis, Tu mainc gaqvT dasavleTis Tu
aRmosavleTis raRac imedi?
-umTavresad sakuTari Zalebis~
(gazeTi `saqarTvelos respublika~,
mware gakveTilebievroamerika, ruseTi da saqarTvelo
ciklidan: omi bneleTTan _ ricxvi misi 666
jemal davlianiZe
gagrZeleba. dasawyisi ix.
`saerTo gazeTi~ #14-25
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
www.saertogazeti.netSemogvierTdiT FACEBOOK-zzee
23saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
#249-250, 1991 wlis 21 dekembe-
ri).
rogorc xedavT, winamdebare in-
terviu daibeWda gazeT `saqarTve-
los respublikaSi~ 1991 wlis 21
dekembris nomerSi.
Zvirfaso mkiTxvelo, es gaxlavT
im avbediTi samxedro gadatrialebis
dawyebis wina dRe _ 21 dekemberi.
22 dekembers, gamTeniisas saqarTve-
los dedaqalaqSi, mTavrobis sax-
lisken pirveli tyvia gavarda da
kriminalebis xrovam Seutia kanoni-
er xelisuflebas.
zviad gamsaxurdia:
`demokratia iqca
cariel sityvad~
axla gadavxedoT samxedro
putCis Semdgom presas. magaliTad
aviRoT gazeTi `saqarTvelos cis
qveS~ (1992 w. 14 noemberi). Za-
lian sainteresoa samxedro put-
Cis Sefaseba zviad gamsaxurdias
mier. mas esaubreba koresponden-
ti:
`-riT aixsneba dasavluri de-
mokratiis esodeni gulgriloba
saxelmwifos kanonieri xe-
lmZRvanelis bedisadmi?
-mTavrobebi, romelTac Tqven
demokratiuls uwodebT, sinamd-
vileSi didi xania ganudgnen de-
mokratias. demokratia iqca ca-
riel sityvad, romelsac Tavis
nebaze atrialeben dasavleTis
mTavrobaTa, ama Tu im politiku-
ri interesebis SeniRbvad. roca
am mTavrobebs surT gaaZlieron
TavianTi gavlena da samxedro
yofna romelime regionSi, Tavda-
pirvelad, cdiloben moisyidon
am qveynis xelisufleba da Tu
winaaRmdegobas waawydnen, ubra-
lod amxoben mas. aseT SemTxveva-
Si maTTvis ara aqvs mniSvneloba
damxobili reJimis xasiaTs: de-
mokratiulia igi Tu avtorita-
ruli. es mtacebluri midgoma
sxva qveynebisadmi, dRes sabolo-
od damkvidrda natos saxelmwi-
foebSi. aRsaniSnavia, rom dasav-
leTis yvelaze Zlieri saxelmwi-
foebi ukve aRar cdiloben Se-
niRbon TavianTi zraxvebi da aS-
karad, cinikurad Trgunaven sxva
xalxTa nebas. swored es moxda
saqarTvelo-Si.
-batono prezidento, ras war-
moadgenen es msoflio Zalebi,
esoden Tavisuflad rom erevian
ucxo saxelmwifoTa saSinao saq-
meebSi?
-kacobriobis mtrebs, am sity-
vis pirdapiri mniSvnelobiT. isi-
ni miznad isaxaven yvela sxva
xalxis genocids. planetis mTe-
li mosaxleobis erTi gansazRv-
ruli jgufis gamoklebiT, es
jgufi mWidrod aris dakavSire-
buli SeerTebul Statebsa da ev-
ropasTan da mTeli ZaliT miilt-
vis msoflio batonobisaken. zoga-
dad me mas evroamerikul imperia-
lizms vuwodebdi. mTavar damkv-
rel Zalas masSi warmoadgens
aSS. SeiZleba iTqvas, saxelmwifo
gadatrialeba saqarTveloSi imar-
Teboda okeanis gaRmidan aSS sa-
xelmwifo mdivnis j. beikeris pi-
radi monawileobiT da buSis
locva-kurTxeviT. beikerma pirda-
pir mouwoda putCisken saqarTve-
los banditur opoziciur daj-
gufebebs (amerikaSi Cinebulad
icodnen, rom opozicia saqarTve-
loSi kriminaluri mafiisa da yo-
fili partokratebisagan Sedgebo-
da). beikerma mkafiod mianiSna,
rom amerikis SeerTebuli State-
bi ar uWerda mxars saqarTvelo-
Si arsebul reJims da arafriT
daexmareboda mas. scenari gadat-
rialebisa, romelic aSS-m moawyo
saqarTveloSi, adre araerTgzis
gamouyenebia am qveyanas planetis
sxva regionebSic.
(gagrZeelba Semdeg nomerSi)
`TeTrebis~ lederma Temur
SaSiaSvilma `saerTo gazeTTan~
interviuSi ganacxada, rom pre-
zidentad wodebul mixeil saa-
kaSvils SevardnaZis mmarTvelo-
bis periodSi mZRolis `rangSi~
kaci hyavs mokluli, Tumca Se-
vardnaZis ZalisxmeviT es saqme
Caifarcxa. saakaSvilis magivrad
misi mZRoli dausjiaT. am avto-
avariis Sesaxeb informirebuli
yofila badri patarkaciSvilic.
baton badris saakaSvilis sawi-
naaRmdego sxva kompomatebic
hqonia, maT Soris foTis port-
Si gadaricxul milionebTan da-
kavSirebiT da am yvelafris Se-
saxeb saqmis kursSi im period-
Si masTan daaxloebuli valeri
gelbaxianic yofila. Cveni wya-
ros gancxadebiT, valeri gelba-
xians sagazeTo interviuSi uTq-
vams, rom TiTqos tragikul av-
toavariasTan dakavSirebiT in-
formaciis mopovebaSi 2 milio-
ni gadaixada. `saerTo gazeTi~
valeri gelbaxians daukavSirda
da aRniSnul sakiTxebTan dakav-
SirebiT komentari sTxova, mag-
ram man interviuze uari gviTx-
ra, im motiviT, rom es kulua-
ruli informaciebia, dadastu-
rebuli ar aris, iuristi var
da amitom dauzustebel infor-
maciebze ver vilaparakebo. rac
Seexeba informaciaSi fulis ga-
daxdas, man es kategoriulad
uaryo, jer erTi, sad mqonda am-
deni fuli, Tanac aseTi ram ga-
zeTiT arasdros miTqvamso.
axla rac Seexeba msxverpli-
an avtoavarias, sando wyaros
informaciiT, is koba narCemaSvi-
lis Ss ministrobisas moxda we-
reTlis gamzirze, gamofenis mim-
debare teritoriaze. im period-
Si saakaSvili, savaraudod, sak-
rebulos Tavmjdomare iyo. igi,
Turme, arafxizel mdgomareoba-
Si marTavda Savi feris `vol-
gas~. ra drosac fexiT mosiaru-
les, daaxloebiT 45-50 wlis
mamakacs daejaxa. dajaxeba imde-
nad Zlieri iyo, rom mamakaci
SemTxvevis adgilze gardaicva-
la. SemTxvevis adgilze gasul
policielebs gvarianad mTvrali
saakaSvili daxvedriaT. e.w. didi
reformatoris danaxvaze poli-
cielebi dabneulan, aRar icod-
nen gaeformebinaT Tu ara enat-
likina demokratiisa da samarT-
lianobis didi damcveli, rome-
lic maSindel policias mosis-
xle mtrad aRiqvamda, amitom
Sss-s xelmZRvanelobas dakavSi-
rebian, rogor moviqceTo. xelm-
ZRvanelobam maT mocda sTxova,
cota xanSi ki uTxres: saakaS-
vils nu daafiqsirebT, misi
mZRoli mova da es Sejaxeba mas-
ze gaaformeTo. rogorc Cans,
SeTanxmeba prezident Sevardna-
ZesTan moxda, romelmac sacixed
ar gawira politikuri Svilo-
bili da `perspeqtiuli~ poli-
tikosi. misi mZRoli am gadawy-
vetilebis miRebamde misula ad-
gilze, romelic Turme ambobda,
ramdenjer vTxove saakaSvils,
mTvrali nu jdebi saWesTan, mag-
ram ar damijerao. mokled, am
avtoavariaSi damnaSaved saakaS-
vilis mZRoli gamoacxades, Tum-
ca didi xniT ar daukavebiaT, 2-
3 TveSi gauTavisuflebiaT. gar-
dacvlilis ojaxma Turme dRem-
de ar icis, maTi ojaxis ufro-
si saakaSvilma rom Seiwira.
sxvaTa Soris, am avtoavariis
Sesaxeb me TviTonac mqonda in-
formacia gamoqveynebuli erT-
erT gazeTSi, Tumca mec sul ax-
laxan gavige, vin iyo realuri
damnaSave. darwmunebuli var,
aseTi danaSauli romelime ara-
reformator politikoss an im
maRalCinosans, miT umetes Za-
lovans rom Caedina, romelic
Jvania-saakaSvilis gundis mxar-
damWerad ar ganixileboda, `re-
formatorebi~ qveyanas daaqcevd-
nen, naxeT, SevardnaZe Tavis
xelqveiTebs rogor icavso. Te-
mur SaSiaSvilis TqmiT, is ma-
RalCinosani policieli, rome-
lic am saqmesTan dakavSirebiT
srulad iyo saqmis kursSi, dRe-
sac Sss-s sistemaSi muSaobs.
`saerTo gazeTma~ am pirovnebis
vinaobac gaarkvia, is am avtoava-
riis dros marTlac muSaobda
Tbilisis sagzao policiis im
samsaxurSi, romelic uSualod
kurirebda avtoavariebis sa-
kiTxs. es adamiani, miuxedavad
asakisa, mogexsenebaT, saakaSvils
40 welze meti xnis xec ki ar
unda, dResac muSaobs Tbilisis
policiis erT-erT ganyofileba-
Si sapasuxismgeblo Tanamdeboba-
ze. rogorc Cans, `vardosnebma~
pirSi wylis Cagubeba daufases.
`udanaSaulobis prezumfciidan~
gamomdinare, am pirovnebis dasa-
xelebisgan Tavs SevikavebT.
sxvaTa Soris, sarwmuno wya-
ros TqmiT, valeri gelbaxianma
marTlac SesTavaza informaciis
mimwodeblebs Tanxa, magram maT
uari Tqves, mxolod is uTqvamT,
im TanamSromels aCuqeT mcire
Tanxa, vinc uSualod monawile-
obda am saqmis mokvlevaSi. igi
`vardosnebma~ samsaxuridan da-
iTxoves da Zalze uWirso, mag-
ram im adamians araferi miuRia.
am informaciis gadamowmeba ki im
martivi mizeziT ver movaxer-
xeT, rom, rogorc ukve aRvniS-
neT, valeri gelbaxianma CvenTan
am Temaze saubari ar isurva. am
saqmesTan dakavSirebiT, saqmis
kursSi srulad myofi adamiane-
bi, anu `pirveli xeli~ Tavisi
vinaobis gamxelas ar moeridebo-
da, magram maTi usafrTxoebidan
gamomdinare, Segnebulad vikaveb
Tavs maTi vinaobis gamxelisgan.
sxvaTa Soris, ramdenime
wlis win prezident saakaSvi-
lis eskorti gurjaanis raionis
erT-erT sofelSi aTi wlis
bavSvs daejaxa. korteJma gauCe-
reblad gaagrZela gza. bavSvi
saavadmyofoSi gadaiyvanes. am
faqtis Sesaxebac daibeWda pre-
saSi, Tumca ver getyviT, gadar-
Ca Tu ara bavSvi, radgan misma
ojaxma presasTan am faqtze sa-
ubari ar isurva. aseTi faqtebi
darwmunebuli varT, mravlad iq-
neba, oRond dazaralebulTa da-
Sinebis gamo ar xmaurdeba. vin
aris damnaSave am incidentSi,
unda gaCerebuliyo Tu ara pre-
zidentis eskorti msgavsi faq-
tebisas, amis garkveva `saerTo
gazeTma~ im yofil policieleb-
Tan scada, romlebic wlebis
ganmavlobaSi muSaobdnen prezi-
dent SevardnaZis gacileba-es-
kortirebis samsaxurSi da gar-
kveuli periodi saakaSvilsac
emsaxurebodnen. maT im faqtis
gaxsenebac vTxoveT, rogor mou-
vida konfliqti iusticiis mi-
nistris moadgile irakli oq-
ruaSvils xsenebuli samsaxuris
TanamSromlebTan. raoden gasak-
viradac ar unda mogeCvenoT, ka-
xeTSi momxdar avtoavariaSi
profesionalma policielebma
uSualod mixeil saakaSvili da-
adanaSaules da ratom – prezi-
dentis korteJi sanam raime mi-
marTulebiT daiwyebs gadaadgi-
lebas, gzis am monakveTze winas-
war jgufs uSveben mosawesri-
geblad. amowmeben saeWvo avto-
manqanebs, saerTodacD gahyavT
avtotransporti am monakveTidan
da a.S. amas hqvia `trasis gawyo-
ba~. es jgufi da sxva Sesabami-
si samsaxurebi gansakuTrebuli
gulisyuriT im monakveTebze mu-
Saoben, sadac bevri fexiT mosi-
arule moZraobs, miT umetes
bavSvebi. gansakuTrebuli patru-
lireba skolebTan da sabavSvo
baRebTan xdeba, yovel SemTxveva-
Si, SevardnaZis mmarTvelobisas
ase iyo, radgan prezidentis es-
korti Zalze didi siCqariT ga-
daadgildeba. am siCqaresac Tavi-
si axsna aqvs, prezidentis kor-
teJi rTuli samizne unda iyos,
teraqtebi Tavidan rom aicilon.
avtomanqanebiT moZravi jgufis
garda, xsenebul monakveTze qve-
iTi guSagebic dganan, fexiT mo-
siaruleebis moZraoba rom daa-
reguliron. profesionalTa Tq-
miT, SesaZlebelia, kaxeTSi am
kuTxiT gza mowesrigebuli ar
iyo, rac rbilad rom vTqvaT, mi-
xeil saakaSvilis araordinalu-
robas ukavSirdeba. yofila Sem-
Txvevebi, rom `laguna veredan~
is kancelariaSi unda wasuliyo,
gzac am mimarTulebiT gauwyvi-
aT, saakaSvils ki marSruti
uceb Seucvlia da kancelariis
magivrad, mcxeTis salobieSi
amouyvia Tavi. cxadia, am SemTx-
vevaSi eskortis TanamSromlebi
gzis gawyobas ver moaswrebdnen,
riTac saakaSvili safrTxes mar-
to sakuTar Tavs ki ara, rigiT
moqalaqeebsac uqmnida da albaT,
kvlavac uqmnis. korteJis gaCe-
reba gamoricxulia da SemTxve-
viT saval nawilze aRmoCenil
adamians Tu avtomanqanas didi
siCqariT mimavali uzarmazari
eskorti gadaTelavs. korteJi
mxolod prezidentis uSualo
moTxovniT SeiZleba gaCerdes,
misi dacvis ufross es ar SeuZ-
lia. sanam prezidentis inaugu-
racia moxdeba, igi Turme fics
aZlevs Tavisi dacvis TanamSrom-
lebs, rom daemorCileba maT,
anu specialistebis moTxovnebs.
Cveni respondentebi darwmunebu-
li arian, rom saakaSvilis Sem-
TxvevaSi es ar xdeba da dacvis
ufross arafers ekiTxebian.
dacva xmas verc amoiRebs, rad-
gan winaaRdeg SemTxvevaSi, ar
aris gamoricxuli samsaxuri
dakargon. ase rom, asafeTqeblad
gamzadebuli bombiviT dahqris
saakaSvili Tavisi mravalricxo-
vani korteJiT saqarTvelos
gzebze da aravin icis, rodis
vis Seiwiravs.
manana suxiSvili
dasasruli. dasawyisi ix.
`saerTo gazeTi~ #29
saWesTan mjdarma mixeil saakaSvilma kaci rom gaitana, amaze informacia
badri patarkaciSvils hqonda da amis Sesaxeb erTma misma
axlobelma politikosmac icis...
24 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
adiSis xediT tkboba Tu gin-
daT, an gamTeniisas unda daxe-
doT zevidan an mimwuxrisas,
roca amomavali Tu Camavali mze
koSkebs Suq-CrdilebiT ametyve-
lebs da idumalebas mxolod
mdinaris xma arRvevs. vzivar
macxovris taZarTan mxcovan ada-
mianebTan bavCi qaldanTan da gi-
unter avalianTan erTad da Ca-
mavali mziT nafer suraTs dav-
cqeri. qveviT, TemSaraze Cveni
maspinZeli tarzan qaldani ga-
moCnda _ cxenebi mohyavs xva-
lindeli mogzaurobisTvis.
bavCi da giunteri erTmaneTs
enacvlebian erTi legendis
TxrobaSi.
_ adiSi didi Temi iyo, gana
marto es, sadac axla varT. ze-
viT kidev oTxi sofeli yofila.
erTs, zed adiSis myinvaris Zir-
Si rom iyo, wvirmi rqmevia.
_ wvirmi xom qveviTaa, ifar-
Tan axlos, _ bodiSis moxdiT
vawyvetineb Txrobas.
_ diax, is aris, magram adre,
ufro Zveli wvirmi aq yofila.
am wvirmelebs didZali piruty-
vi hyoliaT da Turme saukeTeso
yveli amohyavdaT. erTxel uTq-
vamT, aba, vnaxoT visi yveli uke-
Tesiao, gamoutaniaT saukeTeso
Tavebi, erTmaneTis ukan Caumwk-
rivebiaT da Soridan srola da-
uwyiaT. visi yvelis mwkrivSic
tyvia bolomde ver gaatanda, ga-
marjvebuli is iqneboda. Tofis
xmaze adiSis myinvari mowyveti-
la da sofeli mTlianad dau-
marxavs. gadarCenila mxolod
erTi ymawvili, romelsac amJa-
mindel wvirmSi mcxovrebi gogo
Sehyvarebia. mSoblebs qaliSvi-
lis ganadgurebul sofelSi
gaTxovebaze uari uTqvamT, vaJs
ki Turme aseTi piroba wauyene-
bia: me mxolod maSin dagTanxm-
debiT CasiZebaze, Tu Tqvens so-
fels Cemi soflis saxels daar-
qmevTo. ai, ase gaqra erTi wvir-
mi da gaCnda meore wvirmi, _ da-
asrules Txroba moxucebma, mag-
ram me mainc ar vusveneb.
_ xval rom zeviT wavalT,
Zveli soflebis nangrevebis nax-
va Tu SegveZleba?
_ SegeZlebaT, _ ambobs bavCi
qaldani, _ oRond sxva nasof-
larisa. masTan axlos aris ek-
lesia, romelsac qudosani wmin-
da giorgi hqvia. eklesiis zeviT
didi lodebiT Semovlebuli
mindoria, buRas karvebi hqvia.
buRa kaci iyo, gvarad Cegiani.
buRa, amitom erqva, rom didi,
Ronieri vaJkaci yofila da SeZ-
lebiTac veravin sjobda. ambo-
ben, yvela svans is patronobdao.
eh, sxvanairi iyo es xeoba adre,
12 gvaris xalxi cxovrobda.
... meore dila gaTenda. jo-
yola Cegians, operator sozar
gulbansa da me tarzan qaldani
gviwevs megzurobas. cxenebiT
mivdivarT. adiSidan aRmosavle-
TiT, mdinaris saTaveebisken mi-
vuyvebiT xeobas. vefxvs hgavs
adiSWala, zogan iseTia, rom
Segzaravs, zvirTi zvirTze ga-
dasdis da Rrialebs. Crdiloe-
Tidan TeTnuldis qaTqaTa konu-
si Semogvcqeris, pirdapir xal-
des myinvaris nawili da rusTa-
velis piki Cans _ lurji feri
gadahkravT. yovel 100-200 na-
bijze ferdobidan nakadulebi
Camorbian da adiSWalas uerTde-
bian. cxenebi frutuniT midian
da Tavis aSvebas lamoben.
`jgrag liCaniSs~ mivadeqiT. es
X-XI saukuneebis wminda gior-
gis saxelobis eklesiaa, romel-
sac `qudosan wminda giorgisac~
uwodeben. taZari, ufro swored
misi ZiriTadi da Zveli darbazi,
romelic Sirimis kargad gaTli-
li kvadrebiTaa nagebi, moculo-
biT adiSis `macxovars~
(6,55X5,2 m) ki CamorCeba, magram
`qaSveTisa~ da `Taringzelis~
Tanatolia (4,9X4,2 m). taZari
rom garedanac iyo moxatuli,
amas aRmosavleTis frontonis
qvebi mowmobs. gvian xanebSi,
taZrisTvis zerele monaSenebi
miudgamT. Tu adiSis samxreT
ubanSi mdgari `qaSveTis wminda
giorgi~ maxloblad mdebare ve-
rilaris mTebSi arCvebze sanadi-
rod mimavali vaJkacebis salo-
cavi iyo, `jgrag liCaniSi~ TeT-
nuldisaken jixvebze mimaval mo-
nadireebs ulocavda xolme
gzas. amitomac aris, rom `jgrag
liCaniSis~ karebze erTavad
jixvis rqebia mimagrebuli. ro-
gorc vTqviT, am eklesias meore-
nairad `qudosani wminda gior-
gi~ hqvia. `liCaniSoba~ Zveli
svanuri dResaswaulia da swo-
red qudosnobas, anu ojaxSi va-
JiSvilis SeZenas exmaureba. sva-
neTSi biWi rom gaCndeba, ityvi-
an ojaxs qudosani, anu qudis
damxuri Seematao. `jgrag liCa-
niSis~ morRveul koSkze miyu-
debuli uzarmazari fiWvisa da
naZvis Rvatebi (Wokebi), romel-
Ta simaRle 4-dan 6 metramde
meryeobs, swored dResaswaul
`liCaniSobas~ gvaxsenebs. es
dResaswauli agvistoSi `kviri-
kobis~ Semdeg, imarTeba. aq mo-
suli mlocvel-mmavedreblebis
erTi nawili ojaxSi vaJiSvilis
SeZenas SesTxovs mTavarmowames,
meore nawili, romelsac wminda
giorgim wina `liCaniSobaze~ Se-
usmina da qudosani gauCina, Rva-
tebiT modis. Rvatebs wverSi
sxvadasxva feris almebi aqvs mi-
magrebuli. sanaxaoba erTob Tva-
lismomWrelia da masSi aris ra-
Rac warmarTuli.
ai, aseTi saintereso da bu-
rusiT mosili dResaswaulia
`liCaniSoba~, romelsac
adiSis es eklesia maspin-
Zlobs. magram Cven axla
sxva ram ufro gvainte-
resebs _ taZris interi-
erSi Semonaxuli grafi-
ti, anu Zveli nakawri
warwera. da marTlac,
darbazis CrdiloeT ked-
lis nalesobis Sua adgi-
las, wm. Tevdores fres-
kaze, iatakis donidan
170 sm. is simaRleze, ga-
WirvebiT ikiTxeba garda-
mavali mxedruliT Ses-
rulebuli mokle warwe-
ra: `w(mida)o T(evdore-
)e, S(eiwyal)e Cegi~.
freskasa da warweras
t.Seviakova da v.siloga-
va XI saukunis pirveli
meoTxediT aTariReben
(ix.krebuli `svaneTi~ 2008
w.gv.260 da saq. mecn. akademiis
`moambe~ t.XXVIII #3, 1961 gv.
384).
ai, es Cegi SeiZleba CaiTva-
los erisTav Cegianebis gvaris
eponimad da fuZemdeblad. sxvaTa
Soris, legendaruli buRa Cegi-
anis nasaxlari, rogorc ukve av-
RniSneT aqedan Sors aRaraa.
rogorc irkveva, CegianTa
erT Stos sxvadasxva dros gva-
ris forma Seucvlia da
roCagianebi, ruCegianebi
da riCgvanebi gamxdaran,
rac, vfiqrob, samoqala-
qo werilobiT ZeglebSi
daSvebuli Secdomebis
Sedegi unda iyos (sava-
raudod, (rostom Cegia-
ni II roCegiani; rustam
Cegiani II ruCegiani, an
rejeb Cegiani II reCegia-
ni da sxva). XIII-XIV
saukuneTa erT `dawe-
rilSi~ naxsenebia gior-
gi roCagiani, romelic
Tavis ojaxs lahilis
moxerisis mTavarange-
lozs avedrebs. amis
Semdeg Cegianebi pirve-
lobas gelovanebs uTmo-
ben erTxans. 1503 wels
Sedgenil sabuTSi `wigni aleq-
sandre mefisa svanTa mier jafa-
riZeTa sisxlis gadaxdaze~ isi-
ni, dadeSkelianebTan erTad,
ecerSi, anu balsqvemo svaneTSi
Canan. CegianTa gvars roCegiane-
bis, ruCegianebis, da ruCegifxes
formiT vxvdebiT XVI, XVII,
XVIII saukuneTa sabuTebSi (ix.
`svaneTis werilobiTi Zeglebi
t.I) da bolos, cnobilia, xal-
des ajanyebis erT-erTi moTave
momi Cegiani, romelzec erT-er-
Ti wina mogzaurobisas visaub-
reT.
xalde, romelic SemdgomSi
CegianTa gviandeli samosaxlo
sofeli gaxda, adiSidan samxre-
TiT, xaldeWalis xeobaSia da
zafxulSi fexiT gadasvla SeiZ-
leba, magram Cven legendebis
mxares aq, adiSWalis saTaveebSi,
vemSvidobebiT.
gela qoqiaSviliavtoris fotoebi
adiSis Temi
mogzauroba samSobloSi
`liCaniSis~ aRmosavleTisa da
dasavleTis xedebi RvatebiT.
legendebi buRazeda wvirmelebze
TeTnuldi
joyola Cegiani da werilis avtori adiSWalis saTaveebSi
adiSis erT-erTi nasoflari;
Cegis grafiti `liCaniSSi~;
jixvis rqebi eklesiis winkarSi.
25saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss cciixxeeeebbSSii rroomm mmnniiSS-
vvnneelloovvaann rriiccxxvvss mmiiaaRRwwiiaa uussaaffuuZZvv-
lloodd ggaammoommwwyyvvddeeuull aaddaammiiaannTTaa rriiccxx-
vvmmaa,, aarraavviissTTvviissaaaa ssiiaaxxllee,, TTuummccaa,,
rrooddeessaacc mmSSoobbeellss jjaannmmrrTTeelloobbiiss
pprroobblleemmiiss mmqqoonnee SSvviillss mmiiaayyoolleebbeenn
mmZZeevvlliiss ssaaxxiiTT ddaa wwlloobbiiTT TTaavviissuuff-
lleebbiiss aaRRkkvveeTTaass mmiiuussjjiiaann oorriivveess,,
yyoovveellggvvaarr zzRRvvaarrss sscciillddeebbaa.. ssaauubbaa-
rriiaa jjiimmSSeerr CCaaCCiibbaaiiaassaa ddaa jjiimmSSeerr
eelliizzbbaarraaSSvviillzzee,, rroommeellTTaa ssaaqqmmee ssaa-
xxaallxxoo ddaammccvveelliiss mmooxxsseenneebbaaSSiicc mmooxx-
vvddaa..
rraass eeddaavveebbiiaann 22001100 wwlliiss 1100 ooqq-
ttoommbbeerrss ddaakkaavveebbuull mmaammaa-SSvviillss __
22000077 wweellss SSiinniiddaann ggaavviiddaa ddaa aaRRaarr
ddaabbrruunnddaa ffiinnaannssuurrii ppoolliicciiiiss TTaa-
nnaammSSrroommlliiss,, ggiioorrggii ssoolloommoonniiaass mmaa-
mmaa oolleegg ssoolloommoonniiaa.. oojjaaxxmmaa rraammddee-
nniimmee ddRReeSSii iinntteerrnneettiiTT mmiiiiRRoo
SSeettyyoobbiinneebbaa,, rroomm TTuu mmaammiiss ddaabbrruunnee-
bbaa uunnddooddaaTT,, ggaaddaassaaxxddeellii iiyyoo 2255
000000 __ vvaalluuttaa aarr ssaaxxeellddeebbooddaa..
aammaavvee ssaaqqmmeeSSii ffiigguurriirreebbss mmaaTTiivvee
nnaaTTeessaavvii TTeemmuurr xxaarraaiiSSvviillii,, rroommeell-
mmaacc oojjaaxxss ggaammooaarrTTvvaa 33000000 ddoollaarrii,,
mmkkiiTTxxaavviiss ssaaffaassuurrii,, rroommee-
lliicc mmaaTT aappoovvnniinneebbddaa ggaauuCCii-
nnaarreebbuullss,, SSeemmddeegg uukkvvee 2255
000000 ddoollaarrii mmooiiTTxxoovvaa.. xxssee-
nneebbuullii ppiirriiss mmiimmaarrTT ssiissxx-
lliiss ssaammaarrTTlliiss ssaaqqmmee ddRReemm-
ddee aarr aaRRZZrruullaa,, ssaassjjeellss
mmaammaa,, pprrooffeessiiiiTT eeqqiimmii,, jjiimm-
SSeerr CCaaCCiibbaaiiaa ddaa IIII jjgguuffiiss
iinnvvaalliiddaadd ccnnoobbiillii,, ddiiaabbee-
ttiiTT ddaaaavvaaddeebbuullii,, iinnssuulliinn-
ddaammookkiiddeebbuullii jjiimmSSeerr eellii-
zzbbaarraaSSvviillii iixxddiiaann.. mmoottiivvii
__ 11999966 wweellss uuTTaannxxmmooeebbaa
mmoossvvlliiaaTT ggaauuCCiinnaarreebbuullssaa
ddaa jjiimmSSeerr CCaaCCiibbaaiiaass,, rraacc aamm
uukkaannaasskknneelliiss bbiizznneessiiss CCaavvaarrddnnaassTTaann
iiyyoo ddaakkaavvSSiirreebbuullii ddaa SSuurriissZZiieebbiiss
mmiizznniiTT 1111 wwlliiss SSeemmddeegg `̀ggaaaaqqrroo~~ ssoo-
lloommoonniiaa.. `̀rroommeellii ggrraaff mmoonnttee-
kkrriissttoo jjiimmSSeerriiaa??~~ __ uukkvviirrTT oojjaa-
xxiiss wweevvrreebbssaa ddaa mmaaTT aaxxlloobblleebbss,,
rroommlleebbiicc,, ssaakkuuTTaarrii oojjaaxxiiss uussaaffrr-
TTxxooeebbiiddaann ggaammoommddiinnaarree RRiiaadd ggaammooCCee-
nnaass eerriiddeebbiiaann..
_ jimSeri da olegi icnobdnen
erTmaneTs. im dros solomonias
avia-xazi hqonda senakidan ruseTis
mimarTulebiT da radgan jimSer Ca-
Cibaias biznesidan gamomdinare kav-
Siri hqonda ruseTTan, am mxriv
hqondaT urTierToba _ am doneze
iyo maTi nacnoboba Tu axlobloba.
rac Seexeba Svils, jimSer elizba-
raSvils, igi mxolod mZevalia sa-
marTaldamcavebis xelSi, raTa mama-
ze moxdes avadmyofi SviliT zewo-
la da aRiaros brali.
__ SSvviillii rraa ddaannaaSSaauulliissTTvviiss iixx-
ddiiss ssaassjjeellss,, rrooggoorrcc TTaannaammzzrraaxxvvee-
llii??
_ diax, rogorc Tanamonawile,
magram amis aranairi mtkicebuleba
ar arsebobs. jer warudgines brali
motacebaze, gamoZalvaze, Caudes
narkotiki, Caudes tyviebic... mama-
Svili erTad cxovrobdnen metro
`delisTan~, jer daakaves mama, ro-
melic manqanasTan idga da Semdeg
kriminaluri policia miadga Svils,
albaT, aTi kaci iqneboda, sastikad
scemes, daudes narkotiki da avto-
matis mWidi ramdenime vazniT. ram-
denad logikuria, kacma policias
kari gauRos jibeSi `raJokiT?~
uamravi niuansia, romeli erTi
giTxraT _ TiTis anabeWdebi araa
aRebuli, arc erTi e.w nivTmtkice-
bidan; rodesac samedicino eqsper-
tiza Catarda, arc erTs ar hqonda
sisxlSi narkotikuli nivTiereba _
elementarulad, diabetiani adamiani
narkomani ver iqneboda...
__ iinntteerrnneettiiTT ggaauuggzzaavvnneess ggaammoo-
ssaassyyiiddiiss mmooTTxxoovvnnaaoo,, ggaammggzzaavvnniiss ssaa-
vvaarraauuddoo mmiissaammaarrTTiiss ddaaddggeennaa mmaarrttii-
vvaaddaaaa SSeessaaZZlleebbeellii IP mmiissaammaarrTTiiTT,,
ssaammii wwlliiss ggaannmmaavvlloobbaaSSii vveerr ddaaaaddggii-
nneess vviinn ggaauuggzzaavvnnaa??
_ realurad araferi ar dginde-
ba da verc mtkicdeba. gamoZalvis
moTxovna igzavneboda internet-ka-
fedan da mowmeebi sami wlis Semdeg
`ixseneben~ konkretul dros iq Se-
sul mamakacs, jimSer CaCibaias,
Tumca, saaTnaxevris ganmavlobaSi
fizikurad absoluturad gansxvave-
buls. asaks, garujvas da WaRaras
am xnis ganmavlobaSi ver gadaike-
Teb, xom? anda, sami wlis win ram-
deni ucnobi SegxvdaT, aRidgenT maT
garegnobas da amoicnobT? _ ase Se-
keres saqme.
__ aarrssii??
_ viTom gaxsnili saqme.
__ ddrrooeebbiiTTii mmooTTaavvsseebbiiss iizzoollaa-
ttoorrSSii SSeessvvlliiss mmddggoommaarreeoobbiiTT,, oorrii-
vvee ddaakkaavveebbuullii ppiirriiss ggaarreeggnnuullii
ddaaTTvvaalliieerreebbiiss ooqqmmiiss ((##002211111100 ddaa
##002211111111)) CCaannaawweerrii vvnnaaxxee,, ssaaddaacc ddaa-
ffiiqqssiirreebbuullii ffaaqqttiiaa,, rroomm nnaacceemmeebbii
mmiiiiyyvvaanneess.. ssaammii wweelliiaa ssaassjjeellss iixxddii-
aann ddaa mmiiuuxxeeddaavvaadd ffiizziikkuurrii ddaa ffssii-
qqoollooggiiuurrii wwnneexxiissaa,, ddRReemmddee aarr aaRRii-
aarreebbeenn ddaannaaSSaauullss –– kkaaii ggaaZZlleebbaa mmiiss-
cceeTT RRmmeerrTTmmaa!!
_ dakavebisas sastikad scemes
orive da gaupatiurebiT emuqrebod-
nen orives, Tu ar aRiarebdnen da-
naSauls. muStebisa da wixlebiT
cemis garda, gamomZiebelma badri
darbaiZem pistoletis taric Caar-
tya SublSi CaCibaias. policiis Ta-
namSromlebis mxridan fizikuri an-
gariSsworeba gagrZelda Sss-Sic,
sadac, fanjridan gadagdebisa da ga-
upatiurebis muqara ar aRsrulebu-
la, magram gansakuTrebuli sisasti-
kiT tariel alaviZe gamoirCeoda.
iciT, rom prokurorma urCia eliz-
baraSvils, rom uaryoT policie-
lebis Cadenili kanondarRvevebi,
raTa uaryofiTad ar asaxuliyo
saproceso SeTanxmebaze. rom scemd-
nen da awamebdnen, cxadia, insulins
ar gaukeTebdnen, kinaRam gardaicva-
la 30 wlis kaci... am saqmis Sesa-
xeb cnobilia evrokavSiris adamian-
Ta wamebis winaaRmdeg arsebuli ko-
mitetisTvis, romelmac cixeSi ga-
agzavna Tavisi delegacia.
__ rraammddeennii wweellii aaqqvvTT mmiissjjiillii..
_ SekrebiTobis principiT, qa-
laqis sasamarTlom orives miusaja
30 da 32 weli,
__ rraattoomm mmiiiivviiwwyyeess ssaapprroocceessoo
ggaarriiggeebbaa,, aammiiss ggaammoo xxoomm ppoolliicciieell-
TTaa mmiieerr CCaaddeenniillii ee..ww kkaannoonnddaarrRRvvee-
vveebbii uuaarryyvveess bbrraallddeebbuulleebbmmaa??
_ getyviT, ra saxis garigebas
sTavazobdnen, is ki ara, aramed,
Tqvi, rom Seni Cadenilia danaSau-
li, cocxalia Tu mkvdari, gvaCvene
sadac aris solomonia da Sen mo-
gisjiT 6 wels, Sen Svils ki, pi-
robiTs mivusjiT da darbazidan ga-
vuSvebTo. normaluri adamiani, Tu
marTla misi gakeTebuli iqneboda
es saqme, xom aRiarebda, magram misi
gakeTebuli ar aris da rogor aC-
venos gamqrali kaci?
saqmem gadainacvla saapelacio
sasamarTloSi, sakasacio sasamarT-
loSi da amis Semdeg moixsna gamo-
Zalvis muxli, uzenaesma sasamarT-
lom 6-6 weli mouklo da 24 da
26 weli dautova.
danarCeni ucvlelad darCa.
__ mmoossaammaarrTTlliissaa ddaa pprrookkuurroorriiss
vviinnaaoobbaa TTuu ggaaxxssoovvTT?? eerrTTii wwuuTTiiTT,,
TTuu TTaannxxiiss ggaammooZZaallvvaa mmooiixxssnnaa,, aaddaammii-
aanniiss ggaattaacceebbaa rrooggoorrRRaa
ddaarrCCaa??
_ ai, asea. kompiuteriT
gamoZalvis werilis gagzav-
naze cru-mowmeebis saxiT
viRacebi mainc arian da ra-
Rac sisuleleebi ki dades,
magram solomonias gatace-
basTan dakavSirebiT esec ar
aris. prokurori iyo frang
(franko) anyosi da saqme mi-
yavda Tengiz xarebavas. rac
Seexeba mosamarTleebs _
ooo! _ rogorc `simarT-
lis mkvlelebi~, cnobili
mosamarTleebi arian, isini,
romelTa Sesaxeb beWdur mediaSi
iwereba. qalaqis sasamarTloSi iyo
marine cercvaZe (masze jer ar we-
ria), saapelacio sasamarTloSi
sxdomis Tavmjdomare iyo mzia lom-
TaTiZe, mosamarTle _ giorgi Cemia,
xolo winaswari patimroba miusaja
vaJa fuxaSvilma, xolo sakasacio
ganaCens xels awers Tavmjdomare
maia oSxareli. uamravi moTxovna
iyo dawerili braldebulebis mxri-
dan, prokuraturis, parlamentis,
TviT prezidentis saxelze, rom maT
wamebaze Catarebuliyo samedicino
eqspertiza, magram fuxaSvilma ar
darTo neba _ rad ginda, yurs ara-
vin ibertyavs... sisxlis samarTlis
saqme ki aRiZra antikorufciul de-
partamentSi viTom, magram aRZres
da darCa mxolod aRZruli...
__ ddRReeiiss mmddggoommaarreeoobbiiTT rraa xxddee-
bbaa..
_ uzenaes sasamarTloSi 6 we-
li mouxsnes mamas, viTom solomo-
nias gamtacebels, 6 weli Svils,
romelsac darCa 26 weli, radgan
mas TiTqos jibeSi tyviebi hqonda.
__ rrooggoorrcc vvxxeeddaavv,, yyvveellaa iinnssttaann-
cciiaa mmooggiivvlliiaaTT,, ssttrraassbbuurrggii ddaaggrr-
CCaaTT.. eeqqvvssii TTvvee vvaaddaa ggaaqqvvTT,, aarr ffiiqq-
rroobbTT,, rroomm TTuu ssttrraassbbuurrggSSii ggaaddaawwyy-
vveettTT ssaaqqmmiiss ggaassaaCCiivvrreebbaass,, aaxxlliiddaann
ddaaiiwwyyeebbaa ddaappaattiimmrreebbuull mmaammaa-SSvviillzzee
zzeewwoollaa??
_ albaT, magram saidan gaaCinon
gamqrali kaci. erTi dRiT ukanonod
Tavisuflebis aRkveTaa damTrgunve-
li da 24-26 weli sapyrobileSi
yofna rogori gasaZlebia 57 wlis
asakovani kacisa da misi 32 wlis
diabetiani SvilisTvis?
maia WeliZe
saidan gaaCinos gamqrali adamiani mama-Svilma, romlebsac
Caudeneli `danaSaulis~ gamo 24 da 26 weli aqvT misjili?
zustad ormoci
wlis win, vanosa-
viT ubralo “jibe-
ebgamofxekili so-
fleli” komkavSireli bi-
Wis, eduard ambroseviCis
karierac zustad ese daiwyo
vasil pavloviC mJavanaZis
sabWoTa saqarTveloSi – Si-
nagan saqmeTa ministrobiT:
“negatiur movlenebs” ebr-
Zoda gmirulad, Tan - sak-
virveli damTxvevaa, magram
vanosaviT zustad Svidi we-
li 1965 – 1972 wlebSi (
vano 2005-2012 weli), ori-
vem daundobeli brZola ga-
moucxada korufciasa da
kriminalur samyaros... unda
iTqvas, rom eduardiT maSin
zustad iseve iyo aRfrTo-
vanebuli socialisturi
saqrTvelo, rogorc dRevan-
deli gakulakebuli saqarT-
veloa vanoTi aRfrTovane-
buli.
memarjvene liber-
tarianobidan- me-
marcxene maoizm-va-
noizmamde... ise ne-
ta memarjveneobis dedebi da
bicolebi guSin singapurs
ro miSenebdnen saqarTvelo-
Si da memarcxeneebs dedis
monaxulebiT emuqrebodnen,
ras izaven axla, Seicvlian
fers buxris xvlikiviT,
Tuuu vanos dauwyeben gine-
bas?
godabreliZis mi-
xedviT sul 6%-iT
yofila Sesamcire-
beli umuSevroba
da es problema daZleuli
iqneba. vai, Tqvens patrons,
ubedurs, aferistebo. Cems
samas kacian ezoSi 299 ada-
miani arsad muSaobs da mxo-
lod erTi kacia TviTdasaq-
mebuli - anZrevs! :-)
xalxo!!! ai am or-
ma maniakma unda
daaCoqos saqarTve-
lo? ai am ori sa-
disti Zmis da maTi mamis
imedi aqvs miSas? ai amaTze
xuWaven Tvals Cveni “megoba-
ri” endiai, airai da sxva sa-
erTaSorio organizaciebi?
gamecina, rodesac Tqves, va-
no axalaiebTan dapirispire-
buli ariso? ra mokle mex-
siereba gaqvT, xalxo!!! am
ori Zmidan erTma, daTam,
Zlevamosili vanos colis,
vinme Takoie salayaias brZa-
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dedmokratia, aramed gaamya-
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da da axla imis nacvlad,
rom moaxdinoT am yvelaf-
ris prevencia da waxvideT
saqarTvelodan Rirseulad,
orjer metad uRirsad iqce-
viT, rom arc ki saubrobT
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mxolod mcire kritikiT.
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26 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
axlaxan `sabas~ premiis
nominantTa sia gamoqveynda.
nominanti, sportis enaze
Tu vityviT, niSnavs imas,
rom esa Tu is avtori
naxevarfinalSi gasula.
am naxevarfinalistTa
Soris cnobil qarTvel
mwerlebTan erTad amo-
vikiTxe ramdenime
iseTi `mwerlis~ gva-
ric, romelTac sa-
zogadoebas Tavi ga-
acnes, rogorc ded-
mamis, samSoblos,
warsulis, rwmenis,
adamianuri Rirebu-
lebebis maginebelma
`epataJistebma~. mag:
aw ukve sayovelTaod
cnobili burWulaZe,
Samugia naxevarfinal-
Sia. amaT kidev erTi epa-
taJisti vinme giorgi mai-
suraZe damatebia. dama-
tebiaTo, vambob, rad-
gan am ukanasknelis
mwerlobis Sesaxeb,
`Cemda samarcxvinod~,
dRemde araferi vuwyo-
di. Cavxede mis `eleqtronul
Semoqmedebas~ da Tma yalyze da-
midga.
`mwerals~ sZuls samSoblo,
misi warsuli, Tanamedrove zne-
obrivi avtoritetebi, bunebrivi
seqsualuri orientaciis adami-
anebi. me ver vakadreb mkiTxvels
misi frazebis citirebas _ Ca-
xedos mis gverds internetSi
da ramdenime gamaognebel kiTx-
vaze ipovis kidev ufro gamaog-
nebel pasuxebs. magaliTad, sai-
dan modis frTiani gamoTqma _
mglis Tavze saxarebas kiTxu-
lobeno? arc meti, arc nakle-
bi, iqidan, rom vaxtang gorga-
sals Turme hqonda ori Tavi,
erTi adamianis da meore mglis.
gorgasals rom saxarebis kiTx-
viT veraferi gaagebines, ai, aqe-
dan.
a, kaci, gorgasalic marti-
vad aburTava da `didebuli~
etimologiuri wiaRsvlac Se-
mogvTavaza.
misi azriT, ilia WavWavaZes
drodadro awuxebda Suasauku-
neobrivi bneleTis azrebi, ra-
tom? imitom rom ilia qarTvel
dedas mouwodebs, Svili aRzar-
dos mamulisaTvis msxverplga-
Rebis mzaobiT. aki, misma disS-
vilma kote afxazma daxvretis
win jalaTebs SesZaxa kidec _
bednieri var, rom saqarTvelos-
Tvis vkvdebio. aseTi `rame-rume-
ebi~ pat. maisuraZes nervebs uS-
lis. sasacilod ar hyofnis
warsuli gmirebis, gorgaslidan
moyolebuli qaquca ColoyaSvi-
lis CaTvliT, dideba. axla ama-
Ti demiTologizacia unda vqnao
(erTaderTi, viszec enis moCle-
qiT laparakobs, aris eduard
SevardnaZe)
es, liberali varo, gaiZaxis,
is ki, vTqvaT, filipe maxaraZe,
bolSeviki iyo, amaT Soris er-
Ti didi ram saerTo vnaxe: ori-
ves erTnairad sZuls warsuli,
samSoblos cneba, sarwmunoeba.
patriotizmi, maisuraZis mtki-
cebiT, provincializmis er-
Ti ubadruki gamovlinebaa.
sarwmunoeba misTvis
Sua saukuneebis bnele-
Tis gadmonaSTia, am
bneleTis saxe ki ax-
landeli, misi azriT,
fundametalisti pa-
triarqi ilia meore
gaxlavT. xolo `sa-
qarTvelos marTl-
madidebluri ekle-
sia Tavadaa yovelg-
vari sulierebisa
da sulieri kul-
turis mTavari mo-
Zule~ (ix. misi we-
rili `marTlmadi-
debloba, rogorc
qarTveli liberale-
bis ukanaskneli Tav-
Sesafari~.
amaze met WkuanaRr-
Zob azrebsac amoi-
kiTxavT mis `Semoq-
medebaSi~, rasac ax-
la moferebiT epa-
taJs eZaxian. ker-
Zod, qarTveli mamaka-
cebi warsulSi erTianad ma-
maTmavlebi yofilan. maisuraZe
`usabuTod~ arafers wers. ai,
`sabuTic~. ratom gaSiSvlda
da waisva Tafli cotne dadi-
anma? maisuraZis azriT, cotnes
am saqcielidan Cans, rom es
Cveni winaprebis wesi iyo, raTa
Semdeg erTmaneTisTvis SiSveli
sxeuli elokaT. ra CamoTvlis
kidev uamrav sisaZagles misi
epataJebidan. sadRac levan
bregaZem dawera: yvela adamians
aqvs ufleba, iyos Serekili.
daaarson Serekilebis gazeTi
da, rac undaT, is beWdon iqo.
aseve yvela adamians aqvs uf-
leba, hqondes avadmyofuri az-
rebi, magram ra daaSava saqarT-
velosTvis tanjulma sulxan-
saba orbelianma,
rom misi saxelo-
bis premiiT dava-
saCuqroT es avadm-
yofebi? ratom va-
furTxebT saflav-
Si did sabas? am sam-
Soblos uarmyofele-
bisTvis daaweseT, ba-
tonebo, filipe maxara-
Zis an sergo orjoniki-
Zis saxelobis premiebi
da CamourigeT, ramdenic
gnebavT. vin mamaZaRli
amoiRebs xmas, magram sa-
ba codvaa, codva.
P.S. netav, im mwer-
lebis gvarebic gamoqvey-
nebuliyo, amaT rom ajo-
bes da naxevarfinalSi
gavidnen. amaTze uaresi,
netav, ra daweres?
cici gurieli
yvelaferi zemoTq-
muli mkiTxvels dauje-
reblad rom ar eCvenos,
gTavazobT or amonarids
maisuraZis da burWula-
Zis Semoqmedebidan, da-
narCeni mkiTxvelma gan-
sajos...
giorgi maisuraZe: `robote-
bis yvavilebi~
qarTvelebi, Tumca gadaeCviv-
nen adamianis xorciT kvebas, mag-
ram TaflSi Sekmazul ymawvilTa
SeWamadi mainc daileqa maT xsov-
naSi da am tkbili gemos mosa-
gonrad saukuneebis Semdegac ki
sruldeboda Taflcxebis ritu-
alebi, romelic „cotnaobis“ sa-
xeliT iyo cnobili. am ZirZveli
dResaswaulis dros ymawvilka-
cebi SiSvel sxeulze Tafls
icxebdnen da mere erTmaneTs
lokavdnen, sanam XIII saukuneSi
monRolebma sabolood ar aRkve-
Tes futkris naJurTan egzom
mwyrali mopyroba, rodesac qar-
Tveli erisTavebi monRolTa ya-
ens dediSobila da Taflwasmu-
lebi Seegebnen da imdenxans
ikotriales darcxvenili yaenis
karvis win, sanam zooparkidan
damSeuli daTvebi ar gamocvivd-
nen da enagadmogdebulni tanmom-
wone qarTvel didebulebs ar
daerivnen. am ubedur SemTxvevas
samegrelos Wabuki erisTavis si-
cocxlec ki Seewira, romelic
mSier monRol daTvs Semoexra-
muna. erisTavis saxeli ucnobia,
magram adamianTa xsovnaSi mas
„cotne daTviani“ ewoda, droTa
ganmavlobaSi ki „cotne dadia-
nad“ gadakeTda. amdenad, saxeli
„cotne“ qarTvelTa uZveles
ltolvas Taflisa da misiT sa-
kuTari tanis dazelva-alokvisa-
ken Seicavs, xolo sityva „Tavi-
sufleba“ ki Taflis uflebidan
warmosdgeba.
zaza burWulaZe
nawyveti wignidan `dilis
multimedia~
`Tavidan cxeli Sxapis qveS
vdgebi, tanis skrabiT yelamde
safuZvlianad viqafebi. cvilis
granulebi da qoqosis burbuSe-
la kans sasiamovnod mimasaJebs.
wyals maqsimalurad vaci-
veb, kbilebsac Cemeburad
vixexav. ori ramea, rasac,
albaT, veRar gadaveCvevi:
diliT civ Sxaps da
kbilebis xexvas
RrZilebis dasisx-
lianebamde. mainc ar
mivardeba. skrabis
motkbo aromati
isev bobos maxse-
nebs. mere ra, rom
spermas ar ylapavs,
axla didi siamovne-
biT mivcemdi pirSi.
CemTvis qalebi or
nawilad iyofa: vinc
ylapavs da vinc igubebs.
dakvirvebuli var, vinc
igubebs, ukeTes minets ake-
Tebs, vidre is, vinc yla-
pavs. rasakvirvelia, es ka-
nonzomiereba sulac araa.
ubralod, Cemi gamocdile-
biT ase vici. magaliTad, bo-
bo ar ylapavs, magram minets
qalRmerTiviT akeTebs. rom va-
Taveb, piri spermiT evseba, gu-
li ki locvebiT. esaa nam-
dvili mineti. wmindanTa
disciplina pirSi sperma,
gulSi locva, xelSi y...~
ras erCiT sulxan-sabas?
redaqciisgan: mkiTxvels bodiSs vuxdiT am uxamsi fragmentebis ga-
moqveynebisTvis, Tumca sabodiSo, pirvelyovlisa, albaT, imas aqvs, vinc am-
gvar makulaturas mwerlobad asaRebs da arcTu iSviaTad literaturuli
premiebisken mimaval gzaze mwvane Suqs unTebs.
50 wlisa Sesrulda cnobili qarTveli poeti qalbatoni ni-
no sixaruliZe. amasTan dakavSirebiT saqarTvelos mweralTa kav-
Sirma iubilars misalmeba gaugzavna. misalmebaSi naTqvamia:
Zvirfaso nino!
saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri, Tqveni megobari qarTveli
mwerlebi siyvaruliT mogesalmebian Tanamedrove qarTuli poe-
ziis erT-erT Cinebul warmomadgenels da gilocaven RirsSesa-
niSnav TariRs Tqvens cxovrebaSi _ dabadebis 50 wlisTavs.
Tqveni poeturi naTloba 1977 wels Sedga, rodesac gazeT
`axalgazrda komunistSi~ gamoaqveyneT pirveli leqsi `Cveni Ta-
oba~. mas Semdeg Tqveni leqsebi sistematurad qveyndeba qarTul
saliteraturo Jurnal-gazeTebSi, gamodis calke wignebad.
Tqveni poeturi krebulebi `maradiuli karnavali~, `Sors~,
`iribi bluzi~ qarTveli mkiTxvelis cxoveli interesiT sargeb-
lobs. am interess ki, upirveles yovlisa, is ganapirobebs, rom
fiqriani poeti xarT, tkivile-
biTa da sevdiTaa gajerebuli
Tqveni leqsebi, Tqveni poeziis
lirikuli gmiri xom uniCbo na-
viviT exeTqeba av dedinacvlad
qceul cxovrebis napirs da
araqaTgamoclili sakuTAri Ta-
vis povnas, sulis gadarCenas
lamobs; warsuli jibeSi na-
povni xurdasaviT axsenebs Tavs
da mosvenebas ar aZlevs; cxov-
robs gagiJebidan gagiJebamde,
RamisTevidan RamisTevamde da
Tu ram aZlebinebs am dawyev-
lil wuTisofelSi, is aZle-
binebs, rom leqsi misTvis aTas-
jer dalewili sxeulis frTebs warmoadgens, esmis sulis uR-
ranebidan vulkaniviT amotyorcnili leqsis sunTqva. im dauwe-
reli leqsebis Wirisufalicaa, romlebic nugeSad da salbunad
unda movlenodnen sawuTros da Cvenamde ver miaRwies; siyvaru-
lisTvis da bednierebisTvis gaCenils ver gaugia, ras erCian, ga-
xurebuli, gavarvarebuli SanTiT ratom udaRaven sulsa Tu sxe-
uls; qarTvelia, TxemiT terfamde qarTveli da tkiva misi sam-
Soblo, _ codvis kalod qceuli saqarTvelo...
Tqveni poeziis saukeTeso nimuSebi TaArgmnilia ucxour eneb-
ze.
nayofier sazogadoebriv moRvaweobas eweviT. sxvadasxva dros
muSaobdiT Jurnal `ciskris~ litmuSakad, `saqtelefilmis~ sas-
cenaro ganyofilebis redaqtorad, gazeT `mesame napiris~ Jurna-
listad, Jurnal `elita-niusis~ korespondentad, xelovnebis
centr `art-holis~ pres-jgufis pedagogad, saqarTvelos teqni-
kuri universitetis humanitaruli fakultetis Jurnalistikis
kaTedris leqtorad, radio `universis~ redaqtorad, saqarTve-
los daviT aRmaSeneblis universitetis leqtorad da Jurnal
`sdasus~ redaqtorad. yvela Tanamdebobaze muSAobisas mudam
saqmis siyvaruli, profesionalizmi, kolegialoba, saocari siT-
bo, sinaze da kdemamosileba gamogarCevdaT.
Cveno nino!
kidev erTxel gulmxurvaled gilocavT saiubileo TariRs
Cvens Zvirfas kolegas, mSvenier poetsa da moqalaqes, gisurvebT
janmrTelobas, didxans sicocxles da Tqveni sanukvari ocnebe-
bis ganxorcielebas.
saqarTvelos mweralTa kavSiri
zamTrispiruli cxovreba, romelic sicocxles ara hgavs,
sicocxle, romelsac ar hqvia cxovreba, _
wuTobiT, wamobiT, darobiT, avdrobiT
miqreba, micxreba da miizmoreba.
iseTi zantia, iseTi blantia,
erT leqsad ar miRirs, Tu vinme mendoba,
amaod movisxi dedoflis mantia,
ar amcda xundebi da drois mxevloba.
is TeTri vardebi, CemTvis rom agrove,
is Cumi dardebi, sxva rom ver amCnevda
Cadna da CainTqa uxiak WorebSi,
es wuTisofeli fetvad rom abnevda.
ra darCa? ra damrCa? landebTan lacici,
gacrecil ocnebis amoqviTineba,
gadarCa farfata fanteli?
ar vici,
ar vici, gangebam ragvarad ineba.
da sanam guls bolo imedi datovebs,
gulo, sanam Sen wil samsalas Sesvamde,
miTxari, zamTrispirs vin gamiaprilebs
vinRa mimacilebs im bolo leqsamde?!
nino sixaruliZe _ 50
27saerTo gazeTi#31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ mkiTxvel-
Ta SekiTxvebs pasuxobs gazeTis
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kati
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* * *
_ sad unda SevitanoT gancxa-
deba Svilad ayvanis Sesaxeb?
_ gancxadeba Svilad ayvanis
Sesaxeb Seitaneba sasamarTloSi
mSvileblis an Svilad asayvanis
sacxovrebeli adgilis mixedviT.
* * *
_ SemiZlia Tu ara samoqalaqo
saqmeze gavakeTo SeniSvnebi sxdo-
mis oqmTan dakavSirebiT da ra va-
debSi?
_ sxdomis oqmze xelmoweri-
dan 3 dRis vadaSi mxareebsa da
maT warmomadgenlebs SeuZliaT
waradginon TavianTi SeniSvnebi
oqmTan dakavSirebiT, miuTiTon
mis usworobasa da usrulobaze,
SeniSvnebi unda daerTos saqmes.
SeniSvnebs saqmis ganmxilveli mo-
samarTle (sasamarTlo), ganixi-
lavs maTi Setanidan 5 dRis vada-
Si da gamoaqvs ganCineba SeniSvne-
bis Sesaxeb (samoqalaqo saproce-
so kodeqsis 291-e muxli).
* * *
_ SeiZleba Tu ara daqorwine-
buli piris Svilad ayvana?
_ Svilad ayvana SeiZleba ara
marto arasrulwlovani bavSvis,
aramed srulwlovani pirisac. da-
qorwinebac SeiZleba rogorc
arasrulwlovani, ise srulwlo-
vani piris. roca arasrulwlovani
piri qorwindeba, igi srul qmedi-
Tunarianobas iZens. srulwlovan
daqorwinebul pirs isedac gaaCnia
igi. amitom, yvela SemTxvevaSi ka-
noniT, daqorwinebuli piris Svi-
lad ayvanisas sxva pirobebTan er-
Tad saWiroa misi meuRlis Tanx-
mobac. aseTi Tanxmoba ar iqneba
saWiro, Tu misi miReba SeuZlebe-
lia meuRlis araqmediTunariano-
bis an imis gamo, rom misi sacxov-
rebeli adgili ucnobia.
* * *
_ var mopasuxe. samwuxarod,
SesagebelSi ar mivuTiTe im gare-
moebebze, romlebic, Cemi azriT,
mniSvnelovani iyo. roca movindome
am garemoebebis dafiqsireba saqmis
ganxilvis dros, sasamarTlom ar
miiRo Cemi mtkicebulebebi. ramde-
nad kanonieria es?
_ am SekiTxvaze ase calsaxad
Cemi mxridan Znelia pasuxis gace-
ma, magram mTlianad gagacnobT sa-
moqalaqo saproceso kodeqsis 219-
e muxlis Sinaarss da daskvna Tvi-
Ton gamoitaneT.
219-e muxlis I nawili: mxare-
ebi SezRudulni arian, axsna-gan-
martebis mosmenisas waradginon
axali mtkicebulebebi an miuTiTon
axal garemoebebze, romelTa Sesa-
xebac ar yofila miTiTebuli sar-
Celsa Tu SesagebelSi an saqmis
momzadebis stadiaze, garda im Sem-
Txvevisa, roca maT Sesaxeb Tavis
droze sapatio mizeziT ar iyo
gancxadebuli.
II nawili: am muxlis II nawi-
liT gaTvaliswinebul SemTxvevaSi
axali mtkicebulebebis wardgena
an axal garemoebebze miTiTeba ar
SeiZleba gaxdes saqmis ganxilvis
gadadebis safuZveli. garda im Sem-
Txvevebisa, Tu wardgenili mtkice-
bulebebis sirTulidan anda mocu-
lobidan gamomdinare, maTi gacnoba
sasamarTlo sxdomaze SeuZlebe-
lia, agreTve, Tu mxare argumenti-
rebulad miuTiTebs mtkicebulebe-
bis wardgenis Taobaze da sasamar-
Tlo miiCnevs, rom warsadgen mtki-
cebulebebs arsebiTi mniSvneloba
aqvs saqmisaTvis.
* * *
_ Semaqvs sarCeli iuri-
diuli piris winaaRmdeg. ro-
mel sasamarTloSi Sevitano?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso
kodeqsis me-15 muxlis I nawi-
lis mixedviT, sarCeli iuri-
diuli piris mimarT sasamar-
Tlos waredgineba iuridiuli
piris adgilsamyoflis mixed-
viT.
* * *
_ sad aRvZraT sarCeli,
rodesac mopasuxes ara aqvs
sacxovrebeli adgili?
_ samoqalaqo saproceso ko-
deqsis me-15 muxlis me-2 nawilis
mixedviT, Tu mopasuxes ara aqvs
sacxovrebeli adgili, sarCeli ga-
nixileba sasamarTloSi saqarTve-
los teritoriaze misi adgilsam-
yofelis mixedviT, xolo Tu mopa-
suxis adgilsamyofeli ucnobia,
maSin sarCeli SeiZleba aRiZras
misi ukanaskneli sacxovrebeli ad-
gilis mixedviT.
`saerTo gazeTis~ iuridiuli konsultaciavesaubrebiT naTelmxilvels,
qalbaton miranda Sarias.igi adamianis janmrTelobis
mdgomareobas, awmyosa da moma-
vals misi auris mixedviT gan-
sazRvravs.
_ qalbatono miranda, ro-
gorc Tqven aRniSneT adamianis
aura bevr informacias awvdis
naTelmxilvels pirovnebis Se-
saxeb, misi saSualebiT momav-
lis gansazRvrac ki SesaZlebe-
lia. Tqven rodis agexilaT es,
egreT wodebuli, mesame Tvali?
_ Cem SemTxvevaSi maprovo-
cirebeli gaxda avaria, rasac
Cemi klinikuri sikvdili mohy-
va. am ambis Semdeg xilvebi ma-
leve ar damwyebia. jer intui-
cia gamimaxvilda, rasac unebli-
ed gavifiqrebdi, cota xanSi
realurad xdeboda, mere amas
mohyva ynosviTi winaTgrZnoba.
naTesavTan viyavi stumrad da
wamlebis suni meca ise, rom si-
axloves arc erTi wamali ar
ido, sul male saavadmyofoSi
moxvda. Aaseve, Tu raime sasia-
movno nelsurnelebas vigrZnob-
di, kargi ambavi unda Semetyo,
usiamovno sunis SegrZnebas cu-
di ambavi mohyveboda xolme da
ase Semdeg. erT dResac damewyo
Tavis tkivilebi, es axali ar
iyo CemTvis, avariis Semdeg pe-
riodulad mqonda, wamlebs sis-
tematurad viRebdi, ho-
da, erT aseT dRes Cemi
megobris aura davinaxe,
jer SemeSinda, magram me-
re mivxvdi, rom raRac
gansakuTrebuls vxedav-
di. Ggaviare konsulta-
cia erT-erT cnobil pa-
rafsiqologTan, miviRe
sakmao informacia aurisa
da paranormaluri mov-
lenebis Sesaxeb. Tan ada-
mianebs vakvirdebodi, fe-
ris da formis mixedviT
diagnozs vsvamdi da mis
mdgomareobas da xandaxan
momavalsac vsazRvravdi.
_ gyavT moZRvari da
Tu icis man Tqveni Tvi-
sebis Sesaxeb?
_ diax, myavs. icis
man rom xilvebi maqvs. Tavidan-
ve movuyevi yvelaferi. ar gahk-
virvebia, radgan TviTonac hqo-
nia xilvebi, amitomac esmis Ce-
mi. oRond mkiTxa yavis naleqs
an karts xom ar iyenebo. Aara-
meTqi. mTavaria amaTze ar im-
kiTxavo da is niWi, rac RmerT-
ma moganiWa, adamianebis dasaxma-
reblad gamoiyeneo. man icis,
rom raRac zeciuri Zala miCve-
nebs am yvelafers da ar
vmkiTxaob.
_ es rac Seexeba TiToeul
pirovnebebs. zogadi xilvebi Tu
gqoniaT sazogadoebriv da po-
litikur movlenebTan dakavSi-
rebiT?
da ras gvetyviT mimdinare
procesebze?
_ axla iseTi procesebi mi-
dis saqarTveloSi, yvelas gone-
ba nebiT Tu uneblied amaTkenaa
mimarTuli. ver getyviT vcdebi
Tu ara, magram, Cemi TvaliT me
baton vano merabiSvilSi im
kacs vxedav (me ra, Tqma unda
aura meubneba amas pirvel rig-
Si, magram mainc ase vTqvaT) ro-
melic “xelebs ibans”, rom mere
darCes `sufTa~. miuTiTos sxva-
ze: ai, batono, Cemze ras ambob-
diT da am kacma ra gaakeTa. mas
surs sisufTa darCes, ar daiR-
varos sisxli misi xelidan,
arc daRvrida. is ki, vinc mis
adgilzea, pirsisxliania. asec
awyobs prezidents, radgan igi
kudis mouqnevlad ar wava.
Aaseve: iqneba biZina ivaniSvilis
likvidaciis mcdeloba, magram
gadarCeba. dros da adgils ar
miCvenebs.
_ TviTon nacionalebis gun-
dSi Sinaganad ra situacia
Cans?
_ nacionalebSi axlo moma-
valSi vxedav did Sejaxebas.
ratomRac meCvena axalaiebisa
da koduebis didi dapirispire-
ba, rac saaSkaraozec gamova da
situacia Zalian daiZabeba. xil-
vidan da auridan gamomdinare,
maTgan modis sisastike, ulmo-
beloba.
didi sartyma modis dasav-
leTis mxridan. Apr vici, afxa-
zeTi vTqva Tu rogor, samegre-
loc meniSna. sisxli cota Tu
bevri, mainc unda daiRvaros.
Ddartyma provocirebulia ru-
seTis mxridan.
_ es ambebi arCevnebamde Tu
merea mosalodneli?
_ zustad ver getyviT, mag-
ram ar gamovricxav rom arCev-
nebamde Zalian daiZabos situa-
cia. ratomRac Zalian didi Si-
Si maqvs seqtembris 20 ricxvis
Semdgomi dReebisa, dakonkrete-
ba ar SemiZlia, ratom. gansa-
kuTrebiT ar momwons seqtemb-
ris bolo xuTi dRe.
oqtomberSi meniSneba kvam-
li, Sida brZola, dapirispire-
ba TviTon nacionalebSi. aseve
bevri maTgani fiqrobs ivaniS-
vils SeuerTdes, sanam droa.
_ biZina ivaniSvilis Sesaxeb
ras gvetyviT?
_ me ukve giTxariT, rom
aura marto janmrTelobaze ar
miuTiTebs. masze garemoc moqme-
debs. ivaniSvils Zalian cudi
garemo hyavs. rasakvirvelia,
arian iq erTguli, saqmiani ada-
mianebi, magram ufro met intri-
gans vxedav, cudi energia modis
maTgan. me minda vTxovo, gavaf-
rTxilo igi: mivides misTvis
ndobiT aRWurvil pirTan da
aura gaawmendinos, raTa sasike-
Tod daiZras misi saqmeebi. Se-
bindulia misi aura, ar asxivebs
ise, rogorc saWiroa.
_ rogori aura aqvs prezi-
dents?
_ Zalian gaWuWyianebuli.
biovelic gadaxrili aqvs, rac
janmrTelobis gauaresebas gana-
pirobebs. ver vityvi gamosakv-
levia-meTqi, Cemi Tqma rad unda,
ukve bevrjer iqneba gamokvleu-
li, magram me vambob Cemi xed-
viT, rasac vxedav. cud mdgoma-
reobaSi aqvs fsiqika, Tavi, u-
rologiuri gzebi da guli _
eseni arc erTi ar momwons.
_ davubrundeT dRevandelo-
bas. arCevnebis Semdgom rogor
wava movlenebi?
_ gaimarjvebs iva-
niSvili, xalxi mxars
uWers. magram me ra-
tomRac mis gverdiT
sul meniSneba poli-
tikuri figura qalis
saxiT. qali dgeba mis
gverdiT, mas igi mxa-
rs uWers. Mivani-
Svils ar surs pre-
zidentoba. iqneba
erT-erTi mniSvnelo-
vani figura politi-
kaSi, magram ara pir-
veli. prezidentobas
ki qals uTmobs, ver
getyviT vis.
_ kataklizmebi
xom araa isev mosa-
lodneli?
_ wyaldidobebi ZiriTadad,
miwisZvris talRasac vxedav,
magram regions ver dagisaxe-
lebT zustad, raRac mTebi meC-
veneba, magram sad, romeli, ver
getyviT. amas minda davamato:
unda vilocoT. bevri cudi ram
xdeba da kidev mosalodnelia
Cven qveyanaSi. sisxliT daiwyo
quTaisis parlamentis mSeneblo-
ba da sisxliT damTavrda. xara-
Coebi Camoingrao, xaraCo ki ara,
mTeli kedelia Camongreuli, av-
toqarxnis teritoriaze meCeTs
aSeneben, iqac msxverpli iyo. am-
den miniSnebas gvaZlevs ufali
da Cven yuradRebas ar vaqcevT.
Tamuna qadagiZe
`̀rrTTuullii ppeerriiooddii ddaaddggeebbaa,, SSeemmooddggoommaazzee bbeevvrrii ssiiZZnneelliiss ggaaddaallaaxxvvaa mmoouuwweevvss qqaarrTTvveellsazogadoebas. uunda vvilocoT __ es aaraa llitoni ssityvebi. llocviTzRva bbrunavso, __ nnaTqvamia~
saqarTvelos mweralTa kav-
Siri Rrma mwuxarebiT iuwyeba
mweral
gizo WeliZis
gardacvalebas da Tanaugr-
Znobs gansvenebulis ojaxs.
24 saerTo gazeTi #31 (215), 11-17.VII, 2012 w.28
cceeccxxlliiss ssttiiqqiiaaverZi - zodiaqos es niSani Semosvis ara-
ordinaruli stiliT gamoirCeva da daxvewil
tansacmelsa da aqsesuarebs aniWebs upirate-
sobas. mandilosne-
bi ufro Ria fe-
ris kabebs irCeven,
mamakacebi ki -
iseT pijaksa da
fexsacmels, rom-
lebic maT ambici-
ebs ufro warmoa-
Cens. Tumca, arc
sportul tansac-
melsa da fexsac-
melze amboben
uars.
lomi - iseve,
rogorc verZi da
mSvildosani, lo-
mic cecxlis sti-
qiis niSania, Tum-
ca Cacmis stili ufro daxvewili aqvs. lomis
mmarTveli planeta mzea, amitom, mis samosSi
oqrosferi Warbobs. uyvars tyavis tansacmeli
da aqsesuarebi (oqroTi da Zvirfasi qvebiT
gawyobili).
unda iTqvas, rom es niSani ufro met yu-
radRebas samarko niSansa da fass aqcevs, vid-
re formasa da ferebs, misi azriT, pijaki, ro-
melic Zviri Rirs, xarisxianic iqneba.
mSvildosani - miuxedavad imisa, rom am
niSniT dabadebul adamianebs aqvT saSualeba
kargad Seimoson, daxvewili gemovnebiT mainc-
damainc ver gamoirCevian. saerTod ki, mSvil-
dosnebi ufro Cacmis sportul stils amjo-
bineben da jinsSi ufro Tavisuflad grZnoben
Tavs, vidre pier kardenis kostiumSi. mSvil-
dosnebi ufro klasikur ferebs amjobineben -
TeTrs, Savs, muq lurjs da mewamuls.
mmiiwwiiss ssttiiqqiiaakuro - miwis stiqiis es niSani sasworsa
da lomTan erTad daxvewili gemovnebiT gamo-
irCeva. kuros xom planeta venera marTavs -
xelovnebis, silamazisa da esTetikis planeta.
am niSniT dabadebul mandilosnebs bevri aqse-
suari ar uyvarT da cdiloben, CacmulobaSi
bevri wvrilmani ar iyos.
es niSani gazafxulis ferebs aniWebs upi-
ratesobas - mwvanes, Ria lurjsa da cisfers,
Tumca, arc TeTrze ambobs uars.
qalwuli - samossa da mis fers did yu-
radRebas aqcevs. Tumca metad praqtikulia da
Tu kurosTvis, lomisTvis an Txis rqisTvis
“dolCe da gabana” bevrs niSnavs, misTvis es
marka araferia. yuradReba detalebze gadaaqvs
da SesaZloa, aqsesuarebiT ise gemovnebianad
morTos tansacmeli, rom imave “dolCe da ga-
banas” samoss arafriT Camouvardebodes. Tu
vinmes Savisa da
TeTris kombina-
cia uxdeba, es
swored qalwu-
lia.
Txis rqa -
mas, mTavaria,
saSualeba hqon-
des da pirda-
pir parizisa da
milanis modis
saxlebs mia-
kiTxavs da cno-
bil dizaine-
rebs eqskluzi-
ur samoss daam-
z a d e b i n e b s .
mkacr formebsa da ferebs irCevs. iSviaTad na-
xavT SortSi an sportul fexsacmelSi ga-
mowyobils. aqsesuarebs iSviaTad an arasdros
xmarobs. moswons priala Savi, nacrisferi,
kremisferi, yavisferi.
hhaaeerriiss ssttiiqqiiaatyupebi - is mxiaruli adamiania, uyvars
mkveTri ferebi, mamakacebs - TeTri Sarvali,
mandilosnebs ki - dekolte da Caxsnili qve-
da bolo, Tumca, arc Sarvalze amboben uars.
tyupebi ar cdilobs Zvirad Rirebuli tansac-
meli hqondes (mas urCevnia, rom SeiZinos bev-
ri da iafi, vid-
re cota da Zvi-
riani).
Tumca yovel-
Tvis kargad (hae-
rovnad) gamoiyu-
reba. ferebidan
upiratesobas mx-
iarul ferebs
aniWebs - narin-
jisfers, vercx-
lisfers.
saswori - is yovelTvis axalgazrdul
stils irCevs (Tundac, asakovani iyos). misi
aqsesuarebi brwyinvalea, saswori-qali faifu-
ris ulamazes Tojinas hgavs, saswori-mamakaci
ki namdvili dendia. am niSans lurji, for-
Toxlisferi da cisferi uxdeba.
merwyuli - am niSans xiblavs yvelafe-
ri “mkveTri”, originaluri da eqstravagantu-
ri. Tumca, Tu erTi Sarvali an sviteri amoi-
Cema, SesaZloa, mTeli wlis ganmavlobaSi ata-
ros. ferTa Sexamebac aratradiciuli da uC-
veulo icis, ase, rom Znelia gansazRvro, ro-
mel fers aniWebs upiratesobas.
wwyylliiss ssttiiqqiiaakirCxibi - es niSani maincdamainc did yu-
radRebas ar aqcevs samoss da mis fers, rad-
gan is ufro
fulis dagrove-
bazea aqcentire-
buli, amitom,
cdilobs, rac
SeiZleba iafad
Caicvas. mas aqvs
“gamosasvleli”
tansacmeli, ro-
melsac didi
rudunebiT ina-
xavs. wlebis ma-
tebasTan erTad
ufro ixveweba
da Semdeg ufro
aqcevs yuradRe-
bas Cacmas, Torem axalgazrdobaSi amaze TiT-
qmis ar fiqrobs.
mas Zalian uxdeba mwvane, Savi, muqi yviTe-
li da vercxlisferi.
morieli - mas boboqari xasiaTi aqvs da
cdilobs CacmulobaSic gamomwvevi da mistiku-
ri Strixebi Seitanos, erideba tansacmelsa
da fexsacmelSi “didi fulis” daxarjvas. fe-
rebidan irCevs - mewamuls, Sindisfers, Savsa
da melnisfers.
Tevzebi - es niSani “CarCoSi” ar jdeba
da Tavisuflad SeuZlia, yvelanairi stilis
samosi moirgos. Tumca es imas ar niSnavs, rom
modas aris ayolili. ubralod, isini ise ari-
an sakuTar warmosaxvaSi “Caflulni”, rom nak-
lebi dro rCebaT ifiqron, ra unda Caicvan.
Tevzis niSniT dabadebulni ufro lurj fers
aniWeben upiratesobas.
moamzada ana vadaWkoriam
Cacmis stili da zodiaqos niSnebi
sami sityvidan erTi
T a v s a t e x i
m i l o c v a`saerTo gazeTis~ Jurnalsits iirriinneeiirriinnee
ggooggoossaaSSvviillssggooggoossaaSSvviillss vulocavT dabadebisdRes. vusurvebT janmrTelobas, BDBi-
rBs, sixaruls. imravle da ixareSens monatrebul SvilTan beqasTan dasayvarel SviliSvilebTan erTad.
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