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L002A. Are you referripg to ho, I believe the

question yesterday related to fraternities and sororitiesand voting in elections.

O. That's right.A. Right, I was aware of rumors that in previous

years there had been.sanctions against folks that had notvoted in ei-ections.

O. But you told us that you had no knowledge ofthat happening yourself; is that rlght?

. A. I do not recal-l that happening. I recall itbeing, like I testified yesterday, positive incentives forpeople coming out to vote.

O. You recall an individual by the name of TravisLynch?

A. Yes, I dq.O. Was Travis Lynch in a fraternlty?A. He was not a member of a fraternity.O. He wasn't in Tau Kappa Epsilon?A. He was not a member of Tau Kappa Epsilon.O. Was he in any way invol-ved with Tau Kappa

Eps i lon?A. He was a pledge in Tau Kappa Epsilon.O. Okay, he was a pledge in Tau Kappa Epsilon.

You recall that yqu said you were in the Vision Party;is that right?

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1003A. f was in the Vision Party in 1990, ys.a. And that's when you got elected to, what, vice

pres ident ?A. Student body vice president, correct.O. And the president on that ticket was who?A. Michael Brown.O. Was he Florida Blue Key?A. He was a member of Florida Blue Key.O. And in fact, the Vision Party was the party

that was backed by Florida Blue Key, was it not?A. .Klqg--- of the

Greek system.O. Had the backing of the Florida Bfue K"y, didn't

it?A. It had the backing of the Greek system.O. Mr. Lynch ran against the Vislon Party, didn'tj*A. I believe he did.O. And afterwards Mr. Lynch was blackballed by his

fraternity, wasnft he?A. He was removed as a pledge in the fraternity,

l:: O. And this was while you ran thls was whileyou were a student involved in politics with the VisionParty, wasn't it, that same party?

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10 04A. I was involved in the Vision Party, Ys.O. And you had actual knowledge of Mr. Lynch

having been removed as a pledge from Tau Kappa Epsilonafter he ran against the Vision Party, didn't you?

A. I have knowledge he was removed as a pledgefrom Tau Kappa Epsilon.

O. Oh, by the wdy, that was your fraternity, TauKappa Epsilon?

A. That is my fraternity.O. Were you i-n that fraternity at the time?A. f was in that fraternity at the time.O. So you not only have actual knowledge because

he ran against the Vision Party that you were j-nvolvedwith, he was also pledqing the fraternity that you wereinvolved in?

A. He was pledging the fraternity I was invoLvedin, yes.O. And that fraternity removed him as a pledge

after he ran against the party that you were running in,didn't it?

A. For unrel-ated causes, yes. He was removedbecause he did not pay his financial obligations to theparty.

O. There was quite a dispute about whether thatwas the real reason, wasn't there?

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0.T,eibman?

There was a disputeIn fact, there was

about the reason.a tape who is Carl

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t.hat time# O. Do you, lecall Mr. Leibman-baylngL aJaperecordi-ng givins a diffe;gg!_11399_" -{9f *!y_YIt Lvnch WASremoved from the fraternitY?

A. I was not present at the meeting whereMr.'Leibman I'm sorry, where Mr. what was his nameagain?

O. Lynch.A. Mr. LYnch was removed.O. But you know of the tape involving Mr. Leibman

in which he gave a statement to the contrary?A. It was reported that there was a tape recordingmade in violation of Florida statutes, a third degree

felony.

Carl Leibman was president of the fraternit

I want to get t.o the meat of it, though. InLeibman was tape recorded saying and admitting

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that the reason Mr. Lynch was removed was not because hedidn't his dues but because he ran against the VisionParty.4 I do not .know I do not have a coPY of thetape

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1006O. You've heard the tape, haven't you?A. I have not heard the tape in its entirety.O. You've heard part of the taPe?A. I heard parts of the tape. I do not recall

that being on the portlon that I've heard.O. :he t-ape wa?*plqyed in:?. !.Lg q9-E!e*g_e_c_o_sd,wasn't it?A. It was played into the senate record. I'm not

sure if it was pJ-ayed in its entirety.. O. So you know full well that Mr. Leibman, in

fact, has been recorded as saying that the reason Mr. Lynchwas removed from your fraternity was because Mr. Lynch ranagainst the Vision Party?

A. I do not know that Mr. Leibman was recorded.O. You heard part of the tape.A. If someone makes a tape recording and purportsit to be you or anyone e1se, Counselor, but you deny that

was you and you weren't present when the tape was made, howdo you know that tape was actually you or whoever it waspurported to be?

O. Tn fact, thi-s incident involving Travis Lynchgot a great deal of play in the press, .did it not?

A. It was reported in the Alligator and I believeanother newspaper.

O. WeIl, it was also reported in the Orange and

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1007Bfue magazine?

A. Okay.O. In the artlcle Greek Ruling Class?A. I 'm not f amif iar with that but I ' l-l j ust accept

your characterization.O. Now, thi-s Carl Leibman that I just mentioned

who was involved with the Lynch matter, was Mr. Lynchlnvolved in the Focus Party in 1995?

A. Mr. Lynch was not invol-ved with the FocusParty.

O. Did you just tell us that Mr. Leibman was notinvolved in the Focus Party?

A. No. You asked if Mr. Lynch was involved withthe Focus Party

O. Mr. Leibman, I apologize.A. Mr. Leibman was involved in the Focus Party,

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O. Wasn't Mr. Leibman the presldent?A. I believe that's what was listed on the student

activities form.O. Would you like to seeiA. I believe I saw it yesterday, yes.O. Carl Leibman was the president of the Focus

Party?A Va

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