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Intcrvicv via Frank QcJxltooOl u!m Uvoe ~utboaat of &lay TrPiflng Poat

=id ~ C W @ klt9h. BCIW W ~ O sQoarol PO@ I n ~ M h e h b

oonrr, &a Y. snd Korlwrt cbldm.

k m t Eornabont1886 ( ~ ~ b e r s p o ~ ~ b u y a b o a % d u b u a ~ ~ t B o r

@hii (ncd ~3iia:oro) tea at @tuba City kr 18%).

?m: ~rrrnk ~ o ~ d t o a t h taw oxtb.zls;,cly abut the w. A a m 04

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P o i n t ;#I. Beginning a t t h e gravel pit j u a t ~ m t of bhtn- copi village no marker put here tbs l ine want south t o

PoJnt #2. Tondigichi (upring) about four mibe muth of informantee present home. A marker was put up heme km Tondigirhi (spring), t h e l i n e wrnt oouth t o

Pojnt 0 3 , Tonaaliin (opring) aouth of tho p r e m n t pipa- l i n e and mar the routh end of t h e .and dunerr. 'Rhm aprioag was not inciudod i n the Ropi grazing area, A marker placed here, From hero the l i n e w n t @art to

Point W. A point about midway between whste two win&- mills are now locatdl P3k-326 and #3km348), a marker m a placed here. From brb~ t h e l i n e smnt to

point #5. Windmill #3A-28 where Rogar Honani now ha8 r place. The windPstPl wao t h e marker. From hero the l ine ,

went east t o

,Point W, A small h i l l about a mile w ~ u t h of the wind- m i l l (3k-312) n w lacatsd mar Tillman Hadleye8 glace. A marker wan glacgd here. From hare t h e l i n e went north t o

Point t)7, The ridge south of the old home trail and eamt of the windmil' (#3k-329). A marker was put her.. Prom here the l i n e fo l lowed around t h e r idge t o

Po int #8. The top of the horse t r a i l going up the ridga (north of point #7). The horaa t r a i l marked the Lo undary, but a atake waa aloe put in, Prom here the l i n e went northwaet to

Point a. TsediJool , 'Round Rock, * a prominent landmark, he rock wao the markero Fhom here the l i m went ke

Paint #lo, The ridge north of YbencopL -€huh a little b fw (daunstrearn) from T'iisntsaazi Xihaahe. The rock uim warn the marker. Rorn here the line w n t wsaterly to

W L . The gravel pf t.

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(Point i2). 'ilw l lno then foU.01.d northchotoly elox tho pod thc

prcoart TV 4- fa thc V3Eh (Wat ff3). Prc~ tholG.- -I $be lina dolp

R i s q th;lb beyond the W f a almg ths vest end of the Iberropl PlatosrPy:.

!bke l a f t fork away fhm bluf'f &gem

a m nova Ee f s the only on@ tbat l e xitaking a f i s o about U s .

I bad no authority t o rPake any bombry. ' f aWtt m y

Anothar WUJ Xistae Bltee i or "Wtter", later )mown aa Eaotiin *

but I d lQf t go arouDd with them, A l l I rmmber wan hlr osgring

Herber t Zonnie t o guide us t o points on t h e t r a d b t i o n a l Moencogi

boundary.

Mileage:

28.1 L a v a Navajo Routo 3 on d i r t road J u s t n o r t h of b r i d g e over Uoencopi Wash, going easterly, Road passes along bench below Mesa t o n o r t h and above b l u f f s f a c i n g v a l l e y floor t o south. G e n e r ~ ~ l l y sandy t e r r a i n , becoming more sandy as t r a v e l proceeds eastward,

32.4 Arr ive a place where road forks, Righ t f o r k which is main r o a d , enters the ~ o l P e y ~t this p o i n t . L e f t f o r k is a d i m t r a i l , of t e n obscured by sand. This is j u s t below TVi$ N t s Hnnzi EBoaaha. 'She big Groe from which t h e place t a k e s i ts nauie is no longer t h e r e , bu t there are two groves of cottonwood trees, one a t T'ibs N t s H a m i Sf'aahe proper and a n o t h e r o a t f a r above. H a s t i i n Gosh is s a i d t o h a w l i v e d h e r e b e f o r e t h e boundary l i n e was e s t a b l i s h e d .

A l a r g e sounded rock, a knobby o u t c r o p r a t h e r than boulder , is

on t h e south s i d e of t h e amah above t h i s plaice. I t le c a l l e d l ' e sd i ioo l

Se 'aani and is a land mark on t b e l i n e . The Four Carnesa Pipe L ine

e n t e r s t h e v a l l e y J u s t n o r t h of Tii N t s Haazi Xi'aahe. Photos:

According Lo Mr. Zonnie, t h e boundary l i n e f o l l o w s along about ]

t h e base of t h e v r i d g e o r mesa an t h e n o r t h a i d e of t h e v a l l e y and

bends to cut acrwo the wad j u s t above T' 11s N t s Baazi Ii 'aahe t o

~ s e d i j o o l , t h e n c e s o u t h e r l y to a small wes t.,f a c i n g p o i n t v i s i b l e

on t h e horizon to t h e uouth , thence a long t h e .weetern r i m o i Coal

Mine Mesa s o u t h e r l y and then w e s t e r l y , c r o s s i n g t h e highway about

a t t h e cu rve on t o p of t h e r i d g e - l i k e western e x t e n s i o n of Coal

X i n e Mesa. Be says t h a t h i s fathom: waa a policman and used t o meet

a i t h other Nuvujo headmen.

. X used t a l i s t e n t o them t a l k , Thg s a i d t h i s l ine was

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Hired William Yellowhair , S r . , ae, i n t e r p r e t e r . Slicked up

temporary' f o r t h e Bopia. I ueed t o ride w i t h f a t h e r fro^ our

blace above here and he would ~ o i n t out the boundarv markera.

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Not long a g o X t a l k e d wi th Jackson Tewn. Ue knows t h e same s t o r y .

H e lives i n the lower v i l l a g e . This low cliff a t t h e edge of the

I v a l l e y floor ends j u s t below where t h e l i n e c r o s s e s , From the p o i n t

o n t h e horizon i t fol lows t h e rim to t h e t i p a c r o s s t h e highway

southwest from h e r e . From t h e r e i t goes ta Owl's Bat ."

"My f a t h e r t o l d m e t o remember t he boundary. Ch'ozhi, A Hdvado

niazried t o a Hopi, used to v i s i t my f a t h e r v s plwce a t T s i i a N t s

I H i i a ~ h Xi'aahe, nnd t a l k e d abou t t h e same l i a e . He tordl t h a t t h e I

Hopis always s t a r t e d conversation about things such a s land and farms."

38.3 Return t o highway, go weat. The l i a e passed ab,ut t h e base of

t he cliffs t o t h e p o i n t j u s t east of Moenkopi and c r o s s e d n o r t h of

t h e v i l l a g e . The Hopi houses now on t h e n o r t h s i d e of t h e highway

are o u t s i d e . The p r e s e n t Morman Church is a l s o o u t s i d e , the line

passing s o u t h of t h e church t o where the graTqel p i t now is. The

old cemetery was there when he was shown t h e l i n e by h i s f a t h e r .

The l i n e ran to t h e John E t c i t t y Spr ing , Tshdetso bani (Many Peii&es) a and we stopped j u s t below t h i s near J a c k Ray's p l a c e . A t s i d i Sani used

t o l i v e here. He r a i s e d a l o t of peaches h e r e ? The l i n e turned ~ o u t h

o n t h e rock p o i n t j u s t above t h e housea a n d ran along t h e l i t t l e

ridge extending o u t from t h e base 02 c l i f f s . I t crossed t h e valley

s t r i k i n g t h e s o u t h s i d e of t h e va l l ey abou t t h e west end of t h e 1. .

pa tch of greenery a t t h e t op of t h e t a l u s s l o p e above a peach grove.

Zonnia: " A t s i d i S a n i was a policeman, 'MY f a t h e r v i s i t i n g h im he re .

H e vns the ia ther - in- law of B i l l y Sawyer."

Tuba C i t y J u n c t i o n . Psoceceded sou th on NavaJo Route 3.

Eef t highway n t t o p of r idge and took t r a i l westtzly.

Stopped on a h igh point about 3 nile n o r t h e a s t of Na'asjaa'

~ i c h ' c l a h , ''Owla's Ha tw. Photoe. This p o i n t reached by dirt road

and then across c o u n t r y through sand. 10124'7

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The l i n e desc r ibed by Mr. Z o n n i e goes n o r t h e r l y from m l ' ~ Bat t o Many Peaches. The Nnhaldzds a r e a is o u t s i d e t h e boundary.

Zonnie: "Thir ty-nine y e a r s ago there, was a d rough t . 1; brought

my sheep through t h e Nahsldzie Bn search of g r a o s . These vere no

Bopi f arrrs there then. Thess f a r m were s t a r t e d a Pittla o v e r t h i r t y

(30) y e a r s ago by Hopis want ing t o claim more l and .

50.1 R e t u r n t o d i r t road, Go nmth:

50.3 R o d g w s to northeast. A sheep camp jue t s o u t h of here is a a i d

t o be used by t h e son-in-law of Tabaha Yaehi. Not v i a i t e d . This is

t h e o u t f i t t h a t moved i n r e c e n t l y because of drought i n t h e i r home

area . 60.8 Re tu rned 'to t h e paved hlghway:

Zonnie: "My g a t h e r and t h e other people who knew the old

l i n e are now dead, Go ld too th is t h e o n l y one s t i l l l i v i n g . I do I

not know how t h e l i n e was se t up; probably by the s u p e r i n t e n d e n t .

They t r a v e l e d along where the l i o e went, The maskere were t h e

land marks I pointed out . There might have been maskers set up,

But X doxiat; know of any. 1 don' t h o w Just when the, l i o s was set,

except that I t wns a very loug t i m e ago.

P : Took Mr, Z o ~ n i e to h i s borne.

V d s i t e d Johnson G t s i t t y and asked about t h s Boundary described

by H e r b e r t Zonnie.

E t s i t t y : "1 heard ubout i t o t t h e beeti& l a d Sunday. Two

r e p r e s e n t a t i v e s from Leupp (?) were there, Thernwere a t t h e tnee t ing

i n Albuquorque. DOTEI b, E t s i t t y is p r o b a b l y referring to A l l e n

Yazzie and myselfg After t h e met ing Joe Dale a n d I. went out.

Joe Dale says h e know6 t h e boundary p r e t t y w e l l . Joe D a l e went

out t o where that land mark wan. He remerubera that i t was t h a t rim

over t o N P ' P B ~ B P ' Bicb'aah, and I[, acoording t o my itather, know 1.01248.

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t h a t tbey we10 t a l k i n g about that boundary. T h i s small area

a l l t h o t m s b e t as ide Zor t h e Hopis and not as wuch as they c l s i m

POW. .

"There is one Hopi a t the village, Roger Eonani, who in a p t n u t

t h e Navajos. Be t r iad to extend t h i s boundary to the west. We

know oureelves t h a t he ie against the Navajos. Joe Dale s a i d h e is

going to brlng t h i s up on the 30th and B l s C a t the meeting. A,fter

the meeting Sunday X and Joe Dale and Emmett Tsoh went up the wash

and up to the higher points where we could see and Joe D a l e pointed

out the places you went t h f s morning."

v C A t the meeting Suodap the two representativaa~.sS1id :tbat...:what

the Hopis are claiming now would have t o be investigated w f t h the

Hopi representatives and see i f there is any mark aa tbey claim.

I myself know tbi l t the rim r i g h t across LG the Zinc, just $his s i d e

of the Nahaldzis. A t t h e meeting i t was pointed out t h ~ t they c l a b e d

the land fortheir livestock, 'but thay dongt have much atock a:

neither sheep nor cattle."

V h i ~ representative s a i d tha t the only operators making

claim were those from the upper v i l l a g e . The lower v i l l a g e d

say ~ c h . ~

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"My father d idn ' t sap anything about when t h f s l i n e was put up,

but 1 remember that t h f s l ine was ,just smal l . The Ropio also claim

that the boundary they are now claiming was put up th ir ty (30) pears

ago, but t h i s that we nse talking about wro set up when they first

came to 'this village."

*X know that this line they claim, %a not true, Ever since

I remember there were Navajos living there, Tmeyivni Tso l ives

j u s t north of Rare Metals and hna l i ved there a long time. He is

an o l d man. Some o l h i e children lZve jurt above Plerlsy'a h a d i n g 101249

P o s t and he might be there or ovor a t Rare Metale. There is a

sing going on on top o f the h i l l , They might know there where

he is. H e should know about i t ,"

"The Hopi8 don't have any btock anymoman wThe time you were

hare before I d i d n ' t tell you mueh &bout the l ine .qc

"I was just R boy when X learned about the boundary. Thers

were several l e a d e r s besides my father, I don9t know j u s t who

made t h e boundary, I never beard of any markers set up for the

boundary, but X know the l i n e s . T h i s o l d man., Y ~ e y i ' n i TBO, he

was a p o l k e n a n a t t h a t rime. He might bave had something to do

with i t . Be k n o w some about the p a s t . Be @wen knows h i s own age and

his rife's age."

"Joe D a l e k n ~ w s Just about the same a6 X know, that t h i s land A

sc i was u& a s i d e for the Bopis along time ago. You ought t o ta lk

with Joe Dale too . He knows quite w e l l about t h i 8 l i n e , After the

aeet ing here F u n d a x 7 he and 2 went to where he showed us the line. " "1 wifhbe a t the meeting next week"

Ws drovel.to tihe hogan wherethe sing was bsilng held in eearh

of T s e y k i T ~ Q and were directed t o h i s daughter's hame in south

Tuba. Be arm not there, but r e talked w i t h h i e w i f e and daughter.

T*e,ynl'nb Tso Be'asdzaa: " I am 76 yeara old. BePore I: was

born my parents l i v e d whase P now do near 'the Rare YetaPol P l a n t .

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to Moenkopi would stop at our glnae driving burrota. My mother was

born the Black Mesa area, When

There used to be a farm o t TQPPa Nte Kaazi fi'aahe, This r n s an

old farm, According t o my garente i t was s t a r t e d before I was born

and before there were Uopie at Moenkopi V i l l a g e . I don* t know just v b

when, butbX was e child sometimes BDpis from Jfotevila o n b b e i r way

T 1 i i s N t s Haazi I i9anhe. Uy father

TodicPI1ifni ih Z also remember K ' a i ' d i n i i b i , "Puined Hipw, His

wifo was Asdzan Pazhi .

nChachQos Neez of the Tabaha clan was my motherve f a t h e r . Be

is the man shotshot Daghaae h i c h i i or Lott Smith. That happened

when I WPS one month old. Lott Smith was killed i n 1892,

which would make her age 75 t h i s yoar, w i tb in :one year of ber own

e s t i m a t e of her a g o 7 . "1 don't know much about my faimfly h i s t o r y for the time before

Fort Sumner. 1 ails probably t o l d , but I don* t remember, 1r X was born r ight \\rt?ere my place above Rare Motals is, about

2 miles north of Bare Ueta l s . I was raised there and ha~ve l i v e d

there a11 my Pife.

T h e s e Hepier are alaimiag: this big piece of l a n d , s a y i n g i t is

for their l i v e s t o c k , but nlX they have is a s m a l l herd. We Navajos

l i v e d o n t h i s area and'osn 1 2 ~ a s t o c k . ~ /

"Dowizhi Tca, *'ornoug t h e greasewood: i s t h e name of my home.

Thi s man , T s e y i ' n i T s o , is hard of hear ing . Be probably didnv t hear

much oP the d i s c u s s i o n , but be was a t tho meeting Sunday.

"Another woman near Rdro Metals that knows something about the

matter is Mrs. Bancro f t . Another man l i v e s Just muth of Middle n a m e

Mesa; h i s h i s Chalu Tso, cal led Charley K i s a n i In English.

''My son, V i c t o r T a e y l v n i ~ $ 0 , sight have a rcord about the

land dispute ."

"Several times 1 have heard about t h e Bopi land, but not o n t h i s

reaember it. As far &B I can remember it used to be a l l mixed to- 1 , ! ,

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sether, the Navajo and Kopi l ivestock, hut the Popis started to C m -

plaifi about c e r t ~ i n things. Thnt its t h e time t h e land was put

up fox them."

Puughter: I , too, was r a i s e d where ~y aiother was r a i s e d .

Xben I wlis a g ir l X used t o herd sheep and X oaver swv a Hopi.

They a r e really clnimlng o n t h e b a ~ l i s of r u i i ; ~ . We only saw them walk-

I n g on ioot i r o n H o t e v i l a to t h i . v i l l a g e fi ioeokopg

'"This man Billy Sawyer itt the man t h a t made t h e s e l ines w i t h

L t x w e l l Y~tzzie. Victor Tseyi'ni T s s is a son-in-law of Billy

Sawyer and bas some n o t a t i o n on it, Maxwell Yazrie's widow

should have pagers also."

@Mrs. Tseyi'ni Tilo: I rat~ge tny stock r i g h t i n the Rare

M e t a l s .area. 2 don't move them out; elsewhere. I keep them there

She year round and my daughter does the sane. We are living as

one f a m i l y . W e have beea Pivfng there and rnising cattle aver

s ince m y l a t h e r sthrted c a t t l e ra is ing and i t 1s & A 1 1 going, down

to EY grandson. Yie range our s t o c k about a s far as the Mooakoph

Rash where the Rod Lake Wash and the Noenkopi meet and back t o

Pdsture Canyon. Thors 1s watox uear our place. These are not o n l y

t w o families. They are i n ~ r e s r , l n g . ~

Daughter: "Thore are f Avo fanilbos. I have f i v e children.

Another has seven ch i ldren , and Victor has nbouf twelt&'ChilL&en,

His first wife died and he also bas c h i l d r e n by her. Thero is

a l s o another son- in - law. Soore of the c h i l d r e n isre now married

and are s t a r t i n g fmil ier of the irown, There are over SO people

a 1 1 having llvee$ock thoaePw

From T s e y i V n i Tso'ce daughter% place we went to see CMa Tso

and hia vifo just sout8est of White Mesn. SO1252

Chuln Tso: ".4buut t h i r t y (30) ycurcl ago the Bopla used to

drive burros up here with l o ~ d s of p a c h e u , corn and melons t o

t r i d e i o ~ meat . f bnven' t seen nny at nJLP uround'here l a t e l y . X

d o n ' t know about their land. It is a l l in close to their v i l l a g e .

X never heard i n t h e p a s t nbout Hopi3 owning t t h i s land o u t bore.

About eight yo;irs ago some BXA workers put up rawkern s e v e r a l

different times und t h a t iu the first we beard about any HQpi

claim to land."

"This Hspi land d e a l is probably a made-up scheme with t h e

Mureans ire= S ~ l t Lake. They ure c%& f r i e n d s with thorn. What

they are c laiming is unnecessary and untrue," . @@I heard old man A t s i d l f iharley ~ t s i d g s a y i n g that there was

i~ Bepi boundary line and t h e r e should be a uaaxhcr s i g h t across

fron Tsidetso bani where these older people claimed the boundnxy is.

.Ctsidi WLS the father of John A t ~ i d i . This Billy Sawyer aleo

r e v l l y knew about this l i n e , " a I am 63 paarso ld . I[ was r a i P e d , , l i t t l e back toward Red Luke.

H stsrted living here about 30 years kgn. Bofore t h a t D i n e B i l i i 1 b

Ibdtsoi, a r e l a t i v e of mine, l i v e d hore. The older people used to

live here also. Duritlg my youth those Navajos had s 3 t of cattle

hero. You should see Tneyi'ni Tso. He w i l l know aloe about way - -;. - back snd he haalived here all-his liie?

as seen from the north edge of ).bekopi V a l e y near 8-i +aahe.