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TAPES # 1, 2 & 3

February 28, 1993

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Tape 1!

MR. KAVANAUGH: Sunday the 28th of February.

Telephone ringing! Indiscernible femalevoice in the background.!

I MR. KAVANAUGH: I'm going to mess up thisgentleman's desk, he's going to hate agents when weleave this place.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: I dOn't know,

if you leave indiscernible! David's got our number.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Do they have any activity outthere? !

Telephone ringing!

TELEPHONE OPERATOR: Cellular One customer --

Telephone ringing!

MR. KAVANAUGH: Go out and check Penny with

Phil or Chuck or Krone. I think we might have lost one

of our walkies over there and they may have it or mayhave to re-code all the radio traffic or they're goingto listen to everything we say, so -- well, because the

team might have lost one there. So many men were shot

they dropped -- are they -- well, just check for us --he ain't answering.

Indiscernible female voice in background.!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Steve Snyder,S-N-Y-D-E-R indiscernible!.

M. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, okay, so and tell Krone

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he needs to make arrangements with the communications

people, you know, Scheidler, to reprogram all our

radios.

Telephone ringing!

MR. KAVANAUGH:

stuff off

corner or

Could you clean all this

this desk that's not ours and stack it in the

something? Telephone ringing!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: Indiscernible!

car Beverly Road.

MR. KAVANAUGH:

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE

out, there's a car going down

find out, there's a car going

MR. KORESH: I wish

through.

MR. KAVANAUGH:

He ain't picking up.

SPEAKER: We need to find

Beverly Road. We need to

down Beverly Road.

you knew what I've been

David, listen now, I --

you've explained them to me and --

MR. KORESH: No, no, I haven't. I've not

even scratched the surface. Just like I told, just

like I told Jerry, Jerry Gonzalez --

MR. KAVANAUGH:

MR. KORESH: --

MR. KAVANAUGH:

MR. KORESH: --

Yeah.

Robert Gonzalez --

Yeah.

I really liked that guy too.

I've always loved law enforcement because you all guys

risk your lives every day, you know.

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MR. KORESH: And --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Let me --

MR. KORESH:

MR. KAVANAUGH:

that. Listen, let me ask

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH= Your, your

can you tell me anything about their

just concerned for --

MR. KORESH: They're, they

am, that's for sure.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Not as bad

MR. KORESH: No.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Is anybody

blood that --

MR. KORESH: NO.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- that we

get some medical --

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I'm so, I'm so sorry that --

David, listen, we, we know

you something.

other wounded men,

condition? I, I

re not as bad as I

as you are?

losing so much

can't help them

MR. KORESH: No, they're, they're bandagedup. They're up and around.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Have you got them bandagedup?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Okay, and you thinkthey're stable?

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MR. KAVANAUGH: How are you doing? How is

that wound in the stomach?

u MR. KORESH: It's, it's -- like I said, it's,it's bleeding in both directions, you know, the --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Bleeding bad, huh?

MR. KORESH: They got these towels wrapped

around my waist and stuff and, and, you know,

squeeze --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Now see, you

keep -- you got to keep, you know, some -- little

pressure on that because it slows down the bleeding.

You got somebody can help you with that?

MR. KORESH: Well, it's -- the towel's real

tight --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Tight, yeah.

MR. KORESH: -- the tourniquet, you know.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. Anything else hurting?

MR. KORESH: Just my feelings.

M. KAVANAUGH: Your feelings, hey listen,

don't worry about that. We're, we're trying to, you

know, get this solved, and -- are you feeling sick or

dizzy or anything?

M. KORESH: That's the way I've been ever

since I've been talking to you, but, you know, feel,

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MR . KAVANAUGH : Yeah .

MR. KORESH: But like, you know, like I say,let's, let's get some preachers and teachers and stuffand get -� give me a call and, and tell them to show methe truth, you know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: You know, I, I don't think

there's two guys in the world other than you and methat can solve this and --

MR. KORESH: I know, see, there you're,

you're doing your job. Come on, you know, you'replaying --

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, I'm, I'm being truthfulwith you, David, I, I want it --

MR. KORESH: Oh, come on.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- I want it to stop and Iknow you do too, come on.

MR. KORESH: You know there's no way to stopthis until, like I told you, just give me the coverage.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I --

MR. KORESH: If you let those, if you letthose men, the so-called [cut off and on] let them talkto me, you know what I mean? And let them show me theseals where they're at in the Bible.

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MR. KORESH: Look, look, I didn't hurt any[cut off and on]

MR. KAVANAUGH: I, I understand that.

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people that are following shot people, all right?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Let me ask you --

MR. KORESH: Now, I'm responsible for that,okay? In 1988 when the Sheriff's Department wouldn'tget George Roden off the property --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah -- yeah.

MR. KORESH: It was '88, and -�

MR. KAVANAUGH: '87, '88, yeah.

MR. KORESH: -- we went down to the Sheriff

Department and we told them look, you know, we've gotrestraining order against him. They're doing badthings. They dug up one of the caskets out here and

the guy was crazy, thought he could resurrect people.MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: And so that stuff [cut off and

on] and they won't go out there. So I hired a guynamed Sam Jones to come out and he was kind of like afriend of George, you know. And he took the picturesand we took them back up in '88 to the Sheriff's

Department.

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MR. KORESH: Yeah? gMR. KAVANAUGH: I just got the word that --

from the radio people. Okay. Hold on just a second,I'm talking to David. If you will give me your messagethey will play it.

MR. KORESH= I've got to, I've got to do it.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, they, they said theydon't have the equipment for that.

MR. KORESH: Well, they do. I deal with

radio audio technology. Transfer from, from waves overto analog.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Just tell him that

David's got to -- he wants to do it himself, see whatthey can do. All right. That, that -- letme --

MR. KORESH: And after that, and after that

like I say, you know, I just want to -- they neverwould be honest with me before, they never would

confront me because when I first started opening theyalways ran off --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: -- started cussing me and stuff,you know, in a religious way --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- you know, and told me I was

�crazy and all that, but they're looking right at a

book. You know if there's a God in Heaven, they're introuble, now I'm in trouble.

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, how are the kids

doing? Anybody -�

MR. KORESH: They're, they're eating rightnow.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Eating? Okay.

MR. KORESH: They, they keep fit -- I love

you daddy groaning sound!.

MR. KAVANAUGH: They're pretty scared. I

guess they're scared aren't they?

MR. KORESH: No, they're not scared.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No scared? Okay. Well, we

don't want nothing to happen to them and I kmow youdon't either [cut of and on].

MR. KORESH: Yeah said something about mean

men, I told them, I said they aren't really mean men,

they're just, they're just doing what they --MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

message.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Dave, do you got somebodythere taking care of you?

MR. KORESH: Yeah, they're �- you know,

they're, they're -� like I said, we got some nurses and

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MR. KAVANAUGH: No, don't drink alcohol. No,

that's not good.

MR. KORESH: No, that thins the blood and all

that and --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, you -- it'll, it'll

make you bleed, yeah.

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Don't do that.

MR. KORESH: So --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, we don't want you to

bleed. Are you in a comfortable position?

MR. KORESH: No, there's no comfortable

position, my friend.

MR. KORESH: Can, can you stand up?

MR. KORESH: Only -� a little.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Little, well, but don't it,

it'll -- you'll hurt, okay?

MR. KORESH: The only comfortable position

right now I guess would be six feet under, huh?

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, buddy, hey, that's not,that's not it.

MR. KORESH: Hey, that's, that's what they'd

do to me anyway if no one listens to my message.MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey --

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know the laws,_I agree with the laws. I believe bad

guys need to be dealt with. There's too much bullshit

in the world, okay? There's too many people that

molest children, too many people that hurt people for

their own selfish gain, all right?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right.

MR. KORESH: They need to be dealt with.

That's what Rome -- at least Rome got, got their crime

rate way down, they crucified people, they made an

example of them. But, you know, some, some --

MR. KAVANAUGH: David --

MR. KORESH: -- some of the times they

misjudged, you know, and those are the people

indiscernible! to hear the prayer of Christ for

indiscernible! all my life I never knew what I was

doing indiscernible! if you ever get a kingdom based

upon indiscernible! ignorance please remember

indiscernible!

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, I understand --

MR. KORESH: And I said to them, I says, I

say unto to you today you should be with me in

paradise.

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, I understand and I

believe you, but I want to know what do you think, how

could we resolve this? I mean, how could we save these

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children and women and everybody who -- I mean, how can

we stop anymore of this and come on, you and me can doit �-

MR. KORESH: Why did you start the war?

MR. KAVANAUGH: -� you and me can do it.

MR. KORESH: Why did you start the war? Why?MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, David, I,

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MR. KORESH: Ignorance, right? Man, you know indiscernible!

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- you, you understand --

MR. KORESH: -� you are the bad guys, now youfound out we are indiscernible! okay?

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, you're not the bad guys,you, you, you understand --

MR. KORESH: Look, my father �- I know you

don't [cut off and on] God said I'm going to bring aflood and the world said no you aren't, and it came.

And God said I'm not going to bring a flood and the

world says yes you will and they built this tower

indiscernible! the Tower of Babel, Tower of Babel, andbabel means confusion.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand.

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! working together

trying to plan, plan a salvation against the next

coming flood and God said no so he went and changed

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their languages and confounded their, their words and

sent them to different parts of the then known land and

divided the nations. That's why all nations look like

a puzzle; they once fit together.

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, I'm -- if -� I'm, I'rn

not having much luck with this radio station. Let meask you something --

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! coming up now?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Huh? I'm sorry? Nobodyshould be coming up. Nobody's coming up.

MR. KORESH: Oh indiscernible! like Isaid --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Now listen, let me ask youthis --

MR. KORESH: The only --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I, I'm having ~-

MR. KORESH: They're still coming, my friend.MR. KAVANAUGH: Who is?

MR. KOREsH= The, the agents.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, there are no agentscoming.

MR. KORESH: Yes, they are.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Nobody&#39;s --- <MR. KORESH: We&#39;re watching them get closer

and closer.

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MR. KORRSH: No, they&#39;re not, they&#39;re goingdown Double-E.

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, I want you to listen

to the radio.

MR. KORESH: He has a white truck, armored,

huh?

MR. KAVANAUGH: I want you to listen to the

radio station at 4:55. We&#39;re, we&#39;re going to put a

message on for you, but if you want your scripture

message and your word to get out, if you&#39;ll tell me I&#39;m

going to try to get it on there. Now, I understand

that it&#39;s not the best, the best would be for you to be

on there. I understand that and I appreciate and I

respect it. But I&#39;ve got to be truthful with you: I

can&#39;t -- I&#39;m not going to trick you and I&#39;m having a

lot of trouble doing that. If you will dictane it to

me I guarantee you I will have this guy put it out as

your words, okay? Work with me and, and let&#39;s put it

out. I mean, and, and then we can talk about maybe

some of the wounded coming out.

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Let&#39;s do it, come on, you andme can solve this.

MR. KORESH= Okay. Like I say, I told you

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the book to who? To the indiscernible! to the

indiscernible! right?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, I understand.

MR. KORESH: Okay. Now --

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word-for-word what you want -- wanted to say.

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Word-for-word

and --

MR. KORESH: Is a truck coming in?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Nobody�s coming, I,

you my word.

MR. KORESH: Military coming in?MR. �

road there&#39;s everybody but they&#39;re not coming

nothing, you have my word on it. If you tell

you want to say and I&#39;m going to get it out.

me word-for-word. You want to talk the seven

first?

MR. KORESH: Word on the word.

KAVANAUGH: Now, now, you got to give me

I give

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seals

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Go ahead. Slow now, I

got to write it.

MR. KORESH: Okay. My, my God, who sits onthe throne --

MR. KAVANAUGH: My Father, my God, wait a

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KAVANAUGH: Okay. All right.

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given me a book.

seven seals.

Seven seals. Okay.

Revelation 10, verse

Revelation 10, verse

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Sealed book --

the mystery of God.

the mystery of God

to be finished --

to be finished

God has declared

God has declared

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to his servants the prophets

KAVANAUGH: David, just -- I just want --

what does that mean, Revelation, this sealed bbok,

mystery of God, oh, you know -- you have the sealedbook?

MR. KORESH: Yeah, that&#39;s what I was opening

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MR. KORESH: In Revelation 22 --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum. Okay.

MR. KORESH: -- I come --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Every word which is the book

is with me.

MR. KORESH: To give unto every man --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Give unto every man. Okay.

MR. KORESH: -- the knowledge of the seven

seals.

MR. KAVANAUGH: The knowledge of the seven

seals. Okay. Is that all?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Now listen buddy,

you&#39;ve got, you&#39;ve got to hang in there for me. I

don&#39;t want you to faint now. Can -- you need to getthose towels changed?

MR. KORESH: Ah --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Why don&#39;t you -- do you --

don&#39;t hang up.

MR. KORESH: N0.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Just check with your nurses.

Do you want to change and we can just --

MR. KORESH: I&#39;ve got more blankets here.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. You got some blankets?

Okay. All right. Now, I&#39;m going to read this back to

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MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Because, you know, I&#39;m just

not the greatest writer. I&#39;m going to read this back

to you and you tell me if there&#39;s anything you want to

change or if it&#39;s what you want, okay? All right. Youready?

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: My Father, my God, who sits

on the throne in Heaven has given me a book of seven

seals. In Revelation 10, verse 7, this sealed book,the mystery of God, is to be finished as God,has

declared to his servants the prophets. In Revelation22, I --

MR. KORESH: Come.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- come my reward which is

the book is with me to give unto every man the

knowledge of the seven seals. Now, should I say thismessage was from David Koresh?

MR. KORESH: David Koresh.

MR. KAVANAUGH: David Koresh.

MR. KORESH: David Koresh.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Koresh.

MR. KORESH: Koresh.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Now, I&#39;m going to getthis on, and let&#39;s you and me agree [gap]

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to be on?

MR. KAVANAUGH: It&#39;s going to be on 1080 in,

in one minute.

�MR. KORESH: Anybody, anybody know ��

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, wait, hold on, hold on

just a minute, David, hold on.

MR. KORESH: Okay.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER #1: Let me cut a

deal before you play it. Don&#39;t play it yet.

MR. KORESH: 1080 --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey listen, there&#39;s a message

coming on in one minute on, on 1080 for you, and the

reason -� we want to give you our word, we&#39;ve told the

media that and that we&#39;re not going to come, there&#39;s --

no more agents are coming and, and I want you to hear

it from them and you know that they know we �- you

know, everybody knows what ATP said and what you said,

that we&#39;re going to try to settle it peacefully, okay?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Can you -� do you have a

radio there?

MR. KORESH: That&#39;s �- I&#39;m getting one now.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Get one -- he&#39;s

getting the radio. Okay, good. 1080 AM, David.

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MR. KORESH: You guys have to go a -- it&#39;s

kind of, it&#39;s kind of hard to have to do what you all

got to do and --

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, I have --

MR. KORESH: I know your destination�s

heaven.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;ve, I&#39;ve, I&#39;ve been out in

the woods and I&#39;ve had that happen to me [cut off and

on] raiding a moonshine still.

MR. KORESH: Oh, yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: You know, we used no catch

those old boys making a little whiskey?

MR. KORESH: Oh, yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: And what, what part of the

country are you from?

MR. KORESH: I was born in Houston.

MR. KAVANAUGH= Houston, yeah.

MR. KORBSH: And there&#39;s, there&#39;s batteries

in there. I was born in Houston, raised in the Dallas

area.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, yeah, yeah.

MR. KORESH: Texas boy --

M. KAVANAUGH: Texas boy.

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in the Revelation.

MR. KAVANAUGH: The Four Horses from --

MR. KORESH: That&#39;s right, the horses go to

and fro the earth and the heathen are at ease. They

don&#39;t care about them.

MR. KAVANAUGH: The Four Horses of the

Apocalypse.

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Is that right? ,

MR. KORESH: The Revelation, the Apocalypse,

yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Horse is an interesting

animal.

MR. KORESH: Well, the thing of it is is

there&#39;s a truth about them in the Bible.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I don&#39;t know. My wife used

to have some and she loves horses.

MR. KORESH: Oh, yeah. You should see the

horses where I come from.

MR. KAVANAUGH= Beautiful?

MR. KORESH: Gigantic, massive.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, David, on thisvmessage,

I&#39;m, I&#39;m working on the -- you should be hearimg this

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MR. KORESH: 1080 AM. Tell him to play it

once or twice if we don&#39;t catch it.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, tell them to play it a

couple times if you don&#39;t ~- tell them to play �t a

couple times so he can hear it.

MR. KORESH: Is it a Country and Westernstation or --

MR. KAVANAUGH: 1080, it&#39;s KRLD, yeah, it&#39;s

kind of a -~ let me turn this radio on, David, and seeif I can get --

MR. KORESH: Okay. It&#39;s on now.

MR. KAVANAUGH: It&#39;s on? Okay, good.

MR KORESH: Pick it up. My name is Koresh,~

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Tell them that his nqme is --tell them David&#39;s name is Koresh.

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Koresh. Get it right.

MR. KORESH: Pick it up louder.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Here it is.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: David?

MR. KORESH: Sir?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Now listen, he.-� they

kept their word. Now, the only thing is they didn&#39;t --

MR. KORESH: I can&#39;t hardly hear you.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Are you okay? Can you

MR. KORESH: Turn that radio down.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, sure.

MR. KORESH: Okay. Here we go.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. David?

MR. KORESH: Sir?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. I&#39;m going to get your

scripture message on there too. Now, I kept my part of

the bargain here, I&#39;ve got one message on there for

MR. KORESH: Okay. .I

MR. KAVANAUGH: Can you, can you dofsomething

M. KORESH: Yeah, what do you want?

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MR. KORESH: I mean, they&#39;re up and aqoundnow, you know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, but David, they�rebleeding or hurt, they need treatment.

MR. KORESH: Well, they&#39;re not bleeding.Most of it was -- where did Scott get hit, in the hand?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Scott ~-

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Scott was hit in the hand?

MR. KORESH: Where was Big Boy hit? in the,in the, in the side of the leg? Just a graze? ,Okay,just a graze. It, it scared him more than hurtfhim,huh?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Okay, but howfabout

?some of the kids? Can we get some of the children outI mean, we --

MR. KORESH: When we, when we finish!our

working this stuff out then you can come and have thekids, all right?

MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;m sorry, David, say thatagain.

MR. KORESH= I said when we get ourimessageout and stuff then you can have the children,!all

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I believe you I&#39;m going to get this message out andthen we can get the children, right? »

MR KORESH: Right.

MR KAVANAUGH: All right. God blessryou, I

love you Now, I want you to stay on with me, okay?MR KORESH: All right.

MR KAVANAUGH: All right. I want to getthis to the radio station right away.

MR KORESH: Let&#39;s, let&#39;s, you know, hear it

MR KAVANAUGH: All right. Look, hold on,I&#39;m talking to David.

MR KORESH: You&#39;re �- and you&#39;re, you&#39;regoing to have those scholars call me up, right?

KAVANAUGH: Well, I hadn&#39;t got to that

KORESH: Try, try for me.

KAVANAUGH: I will try, I give you myd b t when we la this message as agreed, David&#39;swor , u p y

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Who&#39;s shooting out chem?

Find out who&#39;s shooting out there.

MR. KORESH: Out in the field.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, he hears them -~ tell

those agents whoever the hell&#39;s shooting tell them tostop. Turn those people back.

MR. VANAUGH: We don&#39;t know who&#39;s shboting,KA

David. It -� we&#39;re going to find out. It&#39;s non us.

We just got the word back that we are not shoot�ng. It

ight be one of your guys in the far corner of them

building.

MR. KORESH: No, no, no, no, they&#39;re

. shooting -~ what? Yeah, don&#39;t [cut off and on]

MR. KAVANAUGH= We&#39;re not firing.

MR. KORESH: No, I&#39;m talking to the, to the

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MR. KORESH: Koresh.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Koresh?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: And then we&#39;re going to getthe children out, okay? And --

MR. KORESH: Well, like I said, I want thesescholars to call too. I mean --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well --

MR. KORESH: -- you&#39;re not just going to comeup here and take them out, you&#39;re going to, you1regoing to tell them, you know, that I want some replieson that and I want someone to show me from scriptureswhere the seven seals are found and then I knowlI&#39;mwrong.

MR. KAVANAUGH: But David -� �

MR KORESH: That&#39;s, that&#39;s all I&#39;m qsking --MR. KAVANAUGH: -- I know that --

MR. KORESH: -- for life, man.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: Come on, bend a bit.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH= Well, if I -- let, let�$ go onestep -- let me play this message and, and, andflet&#39;sget some -- all right --

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KORESH: Okay. Turn the radio on.

KAVANAUGH: Okay. Well, they ainqt goingto get it on that fast.

KORESH: Well, that&#39;s too loud, I can&#39;thear my friend here.

KAVANAUGH: Too loud?

KORESH: Turn the treble up and turn the

KAVANAUGH: Indiscernible! David?

KORESH: Yeah?

KAVANAUGH: Let me ask you this, buddy.KORESH: Uh-huh.

KAVANAUGH: I&#39;ll play the messaga, okay,kids out.

KORESH: I&#39;m not going to do thad. You�play the message like you said --

KAVANAUGH: Okay.

KORESH: -� and put me so-called

some leaders on there --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, David, I, I think you

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MR. KORESH: Well, okay, then -�

MR. KAVANAUGH: And I --

MR. KORESH: -- then my position is, is, is

standard isn&#39;t it?

MR. KAVANAUGH: It, it is, buddy, I mdan you

respect it.

know more about it than anyone. There&#39;s no onefcan

dispute you. I&#39;m not trying to argue that poind. I

MR. KORESH: I know, but --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I, I just want us to make a

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KORESH: Yeah, but, but you&#39;re not just

our children. K§

KAVANAUGH: Okay. Well, would yob, would

of the ladies out?

KORESH: Huh?

KAVANAUGH: Some of, some of thefwomen

KORESH: The �- any women -- thelwomen

go -- they&#39;ll go, everyone of usgwill

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Well, what, whatanswer --

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! it&#39;s againstreligion --

MR. KAVANAUGH: What, what would you -- what-- if -- what message are you looking from them, David?I don&#39;t think --

MR. KORESH: I want them to show me fkom theprophecies where the seven seals are found, just givethe references so everybody can hear them.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, you know the

references. You tell me and I&#39;ll have it on the radio.MR. KORESH: I know it.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: But the thing of it is, do they?MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, you, you want to know?MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I don&#39;t think they know.MR. KORESH: Well, okay, so --

MR. KAVANAUGH: So -- we know --

MR. KORESH: -- I mean they&#39;re in troublearen&#39; t they?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I agree with you.MR. KORESH: Then my Father is fixingjto do

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MR. KAVANAUGH: You&#39;re, you&#39;re not going todie, come on, we&#39;re going to -� we, we got some1--we&#39;re taking some shots from your guys.

MR. KORESH: Where?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hold on, David.

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible!

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, this is David. Are hispeople shooting?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER #2: Indiscernible!MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, your people area

shooting our guys behind the rear barn and we&#39;re notfiring at all.

MR. KORESH: No, we&#39;re not.

MR. KAVANAUGH: He says -- David sayslthey&#39;renot shooting.

MR. KORESH: Go, go down -- because

indiscernible! go down there and indiscerniblebMR. KAVANAUGH: well, you&#39;d better che%:k. He

-- they keep telling us --

MR. KORESH: Got to hold off on those boys.MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, tell them to hold off I

mean, you know, I&#39;d tell them don&#39;t shoot them but ifpeople are shooting at them, you know --

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something. Is there anybody in there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER #2: Our guys aretaking fire.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Our guys are taking fire.Our guys are taking fire. Now, that&#39;s not keeping yourend of the bargain. See if you can stop them, buddy,come on.

MR. KORESH: They&#39;re, they&#39;re down there.We&#39;re not shooting at them.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, we&#39;re taking it; I&#39;ve

confirmed it three times. We are taking fire. iTheyneed the word from you, you&#39;re the top man. Te�l themnot to fire.

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Don&#39;t break your word mow.

MR. KORESH: I&#39;m not breaking my wordqMR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Everybody-stop, everybkdy --MR. KORESH: Who is down at the barn �ight

now? Go and try --

M. KAVANAUGH: Dave --

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shooting but somebody�s shooting from the barn. Okay.We&#39;re going to suppress everything from the barn.

MR. KORESH: Yeah, go find out what&#39;s goingon down there.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Tell them to stop shooting,everybody stop shooting.

MR. KORESH: No one here is shooting.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, no shooting now?

MR. KORESH: Huh indiscernible! firi --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay, okay, okay. There&#39;s,there&#39;s no shooting now, right?

MR. KORESH: No.

_ MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay, good.

MR. KORESH: We never have shot.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Is there any elderly people

that might want to come out, you know?

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just firing at us? How did -- what, they got thebinoculars on him? f

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might be some crazy rancher. We&#39;ll, we&#39;ll check on it.

They say they took a round from way, way off somewhere.They don&#39;t think it&#39;s ATF. Put the word out, anybodywho&#39;s shooting at them --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: They got a spotting scope on

the guy who&#39;s doing the shooting. Might be some crazyrancher or redneck out there. I don&#39;t know. We&#39;ll,we&#39;ll �- we&#39;re going to put a stop to it.

MR. KORESH: Hey, could you get a -- where&#39;s

Steve? What&#39;s the name of my buddy across the street?What&#39;s his name? Can you get Robert Gonzalez on thephone so I can talk to him?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, he&#39;s, he&#39;s, he&#39;s gone.MR. KORESH: Where did he go?

MR. KAVANAUGH: I, I don&#39;t know wheregtheysent him. He&#39;s not around.

MR. KORESH: Tell him, you know, I --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;ll tell him whatever youwant.

MR. KORESH: �- I really did like that guy, Ireally did. I -- you know, I -- oh, they&#39;re droppingsnipers on the Double�E?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, tell your guys t1f1at�s --just the perimeter, that&#39;s all, nobody&#39;s cominglin.Just the perimeter, that&#39;s all --

MR. KORESH: Yeah. ,

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- nobody&#39;s coming inl

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indiscernible! hey, hey, and they can see them, theycan see them on the Double-E Road over there David

says.

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Sandra. David said they cansee agents on the Double-E Road.

MR. KORESH: Yeah, we got, we got powerfulzooms on those guys.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, I&#39;ll tell them to backup. I, I wish we could get something out on thismessage.

MR. KORESH: Well, let&#39;s d0 it, let&#39;s�-�

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, let&#39;s do it. I&#39;Ill tell

you what, you got my word I&#39;ll give you one message,I&#39;ll give you this second message. I&#39;ll have itplayed, I&#39;ll do it first -- &#39;

MR. KORESH: See what you can do now..MR. KAVANAUGH: -- and then you send some

kids out. .

MR. KORESH: Not yet, no, you have thescholars call me first.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Let me ask youlthis:if I can do this --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes, sir.

MR. KORESH: Kavanaugh.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Jim Kavanaugh.

MR. KORESH: I thought your name was Lynch.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, no, Jim Kavanaugh, that&#39;s

right, yeah, Jim Kavanaugh, um~hum. I talked to Steveearlier, you know.

MR. KORESH: All right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: We, we, we, we stopped allthe gunfire. Here&#39;s what I --

MR. KORESH: You guys located down in Wacothere?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, down in Waco, uhkhuh.

MR. KORESH: Got that, got that old steel --steel-walled room in there, huh?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, it&#39;s nothing like that.

Hey David, I mean if I could get us to make an

agreement here, I can&#39;t get --

MR. KORESH: Do another thing, tell sheriffThorn that I really liked him.

MR. KORESH: Sheriff Thorn that you like him?

MR. KORESH: Yeah, that, you know, I, Ireally thought he was a decent man and everything andtell him I&#39;m sorry that he doesn&#39;t know really wherewe&#39;re coming from and -~

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MR. KORESH: -- of course, you know, tell

Harwell, you know, after we&#39;re gone he can still comefishing.

MR. KAVANAUGH: You&#39;re not going to be gone.

MR. KORESH: Well, it depends on what you allgoing to do for me.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, we&#39;re not cominglinthere. I want to get ~»

MR. KORESH: Well, it depends -- look, look,it depends on what you guys do for me.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: You got all the technology, youcan hook me up, you know? People like stories,ithey --you know, or TV, come on.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, yeah, I know.

MR. KORESH: And look, I&#39;ll make myself looklike a fool on TV, if you all just let me, you know, onTV just, you know, blank it just like [gap] my wordsand stuff and, and then, you know, people will likethat. It&#39;s kind of like, you know, not like thepresident talking, it&#39;s kind of like the [gap] g

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I understand that, butI mean, I&#39;m going to get it played on the radio and I&#39;dlike to see some people that are hurt come out.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: One person, one person,that&#39;s all, just one person. If you&#39;ll agree td sendone -- g

MR. KORESH: Well, you&#39;ve already gotq you&#39;vealready got some people down at the, the shop. EYou&#39;vealready got --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I don&#39;t know. I haved&#39;t beenat the shop. &#39;

MR. KORESH: Yeah, you know, you already gotthose guys, they&#39;re with you.

MR. KAVANAUGH: If you send out -- �

MR. KORESH: You already got Paul Fatqa and indiscernible!.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. I, I wasn&#39;t awake ofthat.

MR. KORESH: You know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, but I mean if yoL&#39;dsend out any mother and child, one or two. I&#39;m hotasking you to send out all your people, I&#39;d just,liketo get somebody maybe that&#39;s hurt or scared out,!I&#39;ll,

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, people call you that, I

don&#39;t, I don&#39;t -- we don&#39;t feel that way. I maan, we,

we know you just --

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MR. KORESH: I&#39;m not offended, all right?

I&#39;m just hurt because the seven seals, my friend,92andwhatever God says he&#39;s going to do in those seals:

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on this, on this agreement, I mean, if I can get this

message played? And, and I&#39;m going to do my best do

get just your words exactly, would you just -- I mean,

I&#39;ve got all these bosses too and I mean, you&#39;re, �

you&#39;re --

MR. KORESH: Don&#39;t worry about no bosses,

like I say, if, if they&#39;re going to come here and shbot

us all up, they&#39;re going to come and shoot us all --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I ain&#39;t going to let nobody

shoot you up, I ain&#39;t going to let nobody --

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MR. KORESH: ~- you&#39;re going to smoke bomb usor you&#39;re going to burn our --

MR. KAVANAUGH: N0.

MR. KORESH: �- building down or whatever,you know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: We&#39;re not doing it, I?m notgoing to let them do it.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: What&#39;s that? Hold on, David.

What&#39;s that? A radio guy? You tell him that I --that -- you tell them Jim Kavanaugh said he -~1we mighthave a message for him to play and I -~ and he&#39;s goingto have to do it. All right. Hang on a minutei

MR. KORESH: All right. ,MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, get that messaga back

to him, you tell him that I -- yeah, that&#39;s right,okay. All right. Hold on. All right. Look -�»

MR. KORESH: You can tell them I&#39;ve beenl1

wounded and shot if you want to, that might make92themhappier.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well -- no, well, I donftknow -- you know, I can&#39;t �- you know how the newsmedia is? I mean, they&#39;re -� they do things on tdeirown but we&#39;re, we&#39;re trying to do everything we cah todo what&#39;s right by you. And let&#39;s do this: let&#39;s makean agreement. I&#39;m going to get this thing on the air,the word about the seven seals will be out. We&#39;ll havean, an agreement, a couple of people, once the word

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MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- will do what you Uell themto do, what you ask them to do.

MR. KAVANAUGH: But I can only do what myFather has written for me to do, that&#39;s why those

. Kpeople are supposed to know that I&#39;m not crazy.» If Idid not --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I don&#39;t think you&#39;re ckazy.MR. KORESH: -- look, look, if I did not show

people from the book the word of God what God hasstated shall be in the last days --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- about my coming and why92Icome this way --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- that I will not allow anybodyto believe me. You cannot be flesh and blood. Bqtwhat is written in the testimony from those who sthrtedthe Christian Church, you know, Moses [gap] Malachi --

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MR. KORESH: Noah&#39;s Ark?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Noah -~

MR. KORESH: Or the Ark of the Covenant?

MR. KAVANAUGH: The Ark of the Covenaht.

MR. KORESH: Oh, it&#39;s a beautiful thihg, yes.

I&#39;m fixing to show you where it&#39;s at.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, no, no. Noah&#39;s Ark,

that&#39;s where all the people were saved?

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Mount Ararat.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Huh?

MR. KORESH: It&#39;s in Turkey right now.l when

the earthquake took place, the glacier busted --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum.

MR. KORESH: -- and exposed it.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: That&#39;s the -- one of the signsat the end.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Like Noah was a messengek andyou&#39;re a messenger and, and you say your function k-

MR. KORESH= Well, no, what happens is ourmessage is to the world but the scriptures saw that it

was time no longer it&#39;d be like in Noah&#39;s day -- g

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: -- you know?

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MR. KORESH: That went into the Ark, yes.MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, they were saved

and --

MR. KORESH: So Isaiah testified the day

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MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;m checking with the peo indiscernible!. I

MR. KORESH: If you don&#39;t know what&#39;s owmind then you don&#39;t know what&#39;s on the mind of thel

prophets. If we&#39;re not in perfect harmony with all

that the scriptures have spoken, we&#39;re not walking�straight [gap]

MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand.

MR. KORESH: SO --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Man&#39;s a sinner and --

MR. KORESH: Yeah, but there&#39;s only one

indiscernible! unforgivable.

MR. KAVANAUGH: You, you told me earlier

you -- you know, you couldn&#39;t -- they couldn&#39;t

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Isaiah says in Isaiah 6 where he talks of the six-

winged seraphim ~~

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum?

MR. KORESH: -- it&#39;s the same as Revelation

Chapters 4 and 5. And Isaiah says [gap] and he talksabout an event that&#39;ll take place to, to bring it all

down to the nutshell. And so here we are at the92Day ofI

the Lord, all the prophets talk about the great anddreadful Day of the Lord when God will make inqu%sitionfor blood.

MR. KAVANAUGH: That&#39;s not today, DavidMM. KORESH: Oh, it is.

MR. KAVANAUGH: We&#39;re going to �

MR. KORESH: It&#39;s, it&#39;s a progress. I

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, your, your people are,are going to continue on and, and you&#39;re going to

spread your message and, and, and your message is evengoing to go further.

MR. KOREsH= There&#39;s ATP agents who are nowdead, right? !

MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;m not sure. There were

some guys hurt bad on the roof but, you know, I donltknow.

MR. KORESH; They&#39;re dead.

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MR. KORESH: Fourteen wounded --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: -- two of them were dead.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Yeah, he&#39;s gotl--yeah, that&#39;s right. They confirmed, you&#39;re rigdt, fourdead.

MR. KORESH: Yeah. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: Uh-huh.

MR. KORESH: Tell me --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Uh-huh.

MR. KORESH: �- that we&#39;re going to belableto present our truth. If you can lie that good -

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, I wouldn&#39;t tell you that,that we could -- that there&#39;s not consequences to that.

MR. KORESH: Exactly. ,»

MR. KAVANAUGH: I wouldn&#39;t lie to you,}butthat doesn&#39;t mean -- .

MR. KORESH: If I -- and if I --

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- your word doesn&#39;t gd out.MR. KORESH= -- if I&#39;m wrong [gap] to mh as

you wish. I&#39;ve always -- have to check my schoolrecords, always was a good citizen --

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then I need to be punished. Psalm 7 says if I haverewarded evil to him that was at peace to me, thatthere be iniquity in my hand, you know, that book iswrong.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. KORESH: It says, yea, I have deliveredthem. How you get delivered?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: The truth is to set you �ree --MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: -- you know? Then let the enemytrample my glory to the ground.

MR. KAVANAUGH= Yeah, I&#39;m here, buddy,»Iheard you and I --

MR. KORESH: My hearing seems to be going outfor some reason. Y

MR. KAVRNAUGH: Hey, I -- we&#39;ve got to, we&#39;vegot to do something. I want to get that messageloutfor you like I promised, and have they come backltotell you if anybody wants to go out?

MR. KORESH: No, I think they&#39;re stillchecking. It&#39;s a big place, you know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, oh, I know it is,!yeah.MR. KORESH: A lot of people here. -

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MR. KORESH: Yeah, yeah, we got some MRE&#39;s webeen -- we sell MRE&#39;s and stuff [gap]

MR. KAVANAUGH: You get them MRE&#39;s?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: What&#39;s your favorite one? Iate one of those yesterday.

MR. KORESH: Beef stew.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Beef stew? y

MR. KORESH: The only good one there -PMR. KAVANAUGH: I like that applesaucelthey

have.

MR. KORESH: Oh, yeah, that&#39;s good.

MR. KAVANAUGH= That&#39;s not bad, yeah. *MR. KORESH: Maple nut cakes.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: You all guys, you know,

things don&#39;t work out the way we want, come on and helpyourself, there&#39;s plenty of -� ,

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh --

MR. KORESH: -- plenty of, plenty of M§E�s.MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, it&#39;s going to wor� out.

We&#39;re -- you and me are going to work it out. Yoh andme -- let me tell you something, we&#39;re -� we -- :

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MR. KORESH: Well, actually, actually� don&#39;tdisqualify my Father.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I understand.

MR. KORESH: I&#39;ve been a good boy, I �dmit,but you can say the same thing for yourself. E

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I think we&#39;re �~

MR. KORESH: But I do believe in his skvenseals.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes.

MR. KORESH: I do believe in the truthfhegave me.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand.

MR. KORESH: You know, when you conferiwith>

God you can&#39;t turn away from it. »

MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand.

MR. KORESH: You got to do the truth nomatter what they do to you.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, I understand. It&#39;sstarting to hurt a little?

MR. KORESH: Well, about an hour or two agoit -~ the numbness went away and the, the bite and thefire and the, and the indiscernible!. �

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MR. KORESH: Harwell?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes, sir, I did, I got themessage to him --

MR. KORESH: Yeah --

MR. KAVANAUGH: �- and --

MR. KORESH: -- and to --

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- Sheriff Thorn.

MR. KORESH: He&#39;s a good man, I like that9uY-

MR. KAVANAUGH: He&#39;s a good man, and I|gotthe message to him. �

MR. KORESH: Man, I love those guys. ,

MR. KAVANAUGH: to sheriff! Give me yourmessage back. You can&#39;t talk to him but give mejyourmessage back that you love him and you care for him,

okay? IMR. KORESH: Of course, you know --

MR. KAVANAUGH: David, the sheriff&#39;s reply toyou is that he loves you and he cares for you. V

MR. KORESH: Thanks. Tell him I don&#39;tjholdno grudges in &#39;88 either.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay?

MR. KORESH: Do what now Brad? No, it"s just__

MR. KAVANAUGH: Trying to get -- play a

scripture on the radio to give us some kids.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: What&#39;s the matter, Dave?MR. KORESH: Oh, I&#39;m just trying to --gthese

latter days watching the baby get some titty here.MR. KAVANAUGH: Has, has the -- has --

MR. KORESH: It&#39;s beautiful. Have you}everseen a baby take titty from his mother?

MR. KAVANAUGH: It&#39;s beautiful, yeah.

MR. KORESH: Oh, man, you know, Christ{died2,000 years ago for that?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand, uh�huh. &#39;

MR. KORESH: Christ came to redeem men[fromtheir -- you know I&#39;m a songwriter, right? - &#39;

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MR. KORESH: You&#39;ll never get to hear bymusic.

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would like to.

MR. KORESH: But --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well,

sing for me.

MR. KORESH: One song

flying -- " I can&#39;t really sing

talk loud, but --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

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maybe some day you can

goes, "Three angels

now because I c#n&#39;t

MR. KORESH: -- it goes, "Three angels flyingin the mist of [gap] when the everlasting [gap] whoreally knows indiscernible! who amongst the ba es can

indiscernible! four angels indiscernible!" -- notgoing to remember it anyway. But -- I

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey --

MR. KORESH: -- that took too much energy outof me, my friend.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, hey, save your energy,save your energy. I, I, I want you to relax.

MR. KORESH: You ever been shot before?MR. KAVANAUGH: Well,

but I --

I&#39;ve been shot at a lot

MR. KORESH: Well, man, let me tell ydu what

it&#39;s like when you get shot. First of all, it �eelsgood.

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MR. KORESH: It -- to me it&#39;s like, it&#39;s like

it&#39;s warm, it&#39;s numb, and if you get shot two moretimes --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, man --

MR. KORESH: -- and then they&#39;re both nice

and warm and --

MR. KAVANAUGH: I feel for you, Dave. }MR. KORESH: -- you&#39;re kind of stunned and

then you kind of [gap]. I

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MR. KORESH: Yeah, it went in towards -

close towards my belly button and went over and hitmy -- I think the pelvic --

MR. KAVANAUGH: The pelvic --

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MR. KORESH: Ricocheted or something.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. -

MR. KORESH: Yeah, I think, I think it!was a.9 mm I guess.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Oh, gee, how big is>

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MR. KORESH: In the back it&#39;s [gap]

MR. KAVANAUGH: Are you sitting up or layingdown?

MR. KORESH: I&#39;m half laying.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Half laying on a, on a[bed orwhat? j

MR . KORESH: NO .

MR. KAVANAUGH: Just on the floor? iMR. KORESH: Floor.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Can you get another --ican

you leave the phone open and get another towel on yourwound on your back and I&#39;ll wait here for you? V

MR. KORESH: Oh, well, I, I can, you know,I&#39;m not going nowhere [gap] I don&#39;t know --

MR. KAVANAUGH: You&#39;re a brave man, I m goingr

to tell you something �-

MR. KORESH: Just -- well, look, I&#39;ve got myFather, he&#39;s watching this. V

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Is he okay?

MR. KORESH: He&#39;s okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. 1 know we workei outgetting that all [gap].

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! you know,&and

indiscernible! ought to listen.

MR. KAVANAUGH:

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STEVE: Hello

MR. KAVANAUGH

STEVE: Yes.

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bleeding a lot?

STEVE: Well,

Well, you got a bunch of --

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STEVE: Okay.

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STEVE: Right

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STEVE: Do we have a flashlight we could give

the girls? We only have big ones I guess.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Anything they could -- just

so they could see. I don&#39;t want them to get lost.

STEVE: Right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: And, and they come down thedriveway --

STEVE: Right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- and then we&#39;ll haveia car

slowly pull right behind your guard shack. I

STEVE: All right. ,

MR. KAVANAUGH: Now, our guys want to reel

like they&#39;re not going to get shot, you know?

STEVE: Well, you know --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I, I take you word,hey �- ,

STEVE: Right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- I trust you.

STEVE: Right. 1

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STEVE: okay.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: And 1&#39;11 let you talk to

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Now, that&#39;s, that&#39;s whgtwe&#39;re going to do. Now, what I&#39;m �- and we&#39;re gLing toget two kids? - g

STEVE: Yes, two of them.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Two kids.

STEVE: Angelica and Crystal Senobe. �MR. KAVANAUGH: Angelica and Crystal Senobe.STEVE: Six and three. ;

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STEVE: Okay. ?

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you know?

STEVE: Right, okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: And how are the little}girls?

Are they okay?

STEVE: They&#39;re okay, they seem to be., I&#39;m

looking at them right now and they&#39;re just �- they&#39;re,they&#39;re a little puzzled of course. L

MR. KAVANAUGH: would it help if 1 talked to

the older one and tell her this is Jim and she&#39;ll be

all right and meet the man and he&#39;ll come to me?* Do

you want to do that?

STEVE: Okay. Just a minute. David wants totalk to you first.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

STEVE: He wanted to know if you&#39;d

indiscernible!.

MR. KORESH: All right. Okay. Listem to me.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: Okay. We&#39;re going to send Sitaout.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Sita?

MR. KORESH: Yeah, she&#39;s their mother;

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each child out, okay?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. Can she take them out

one time just so we can, you know, do it --

MR. KORESH: Yeah, well -�

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: �- she&#39;s going to take two at atime. I

_ M. KAVANAUGH: Two at a time, okay, yeah,that&#39;s fine.

M. KORESH: And like I say, she&#39;s unarmed.MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, there will be no pioblem.MR. KORESH: And you let her come back

otherwise you&#39;re going to make us real mad.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, no, she&#39;ll come batk.MR. KORESH: Okay?

MR. KAVANAUGH: She can walk the two dhildrento the driveway.

MR. KORESH: Yeah, that way, you knowi they,

they, they -- you know, make sure �- can even gait themthere.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: To me, okay?

MR. KORESH: Okay, and then they call on the

then you all play that thing and we&#39;ll sendore out. ~

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MR. KORESH: Okay.

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MR. KORESH: Hey man, like I said, I don&#39;t

ing against you or the ATF guys.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, I love you, buddy, I --

MR. KORESH: They may not understand mez but

k it all out a little bit later, okay?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, there&#39;s a lot of people

love you and I -- V

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MR. KAVANAUGH: -- I want you to know phat.MR. KORESH: -- I wish they knew my truth.MR. KAVANAUGH= I want you to know thaé we&#39;redo it and this is going to be unbelieva%le, Ipeople are going to know that -- iMR. KORESH: Oh, we&#39;re not murderers. I

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know, the Sheriff&#39;s Department told us there was

dangerous people out here, you know. Anyway, we did

kind of back then like what you all guys were doingnow, you know, you all were trying to make a diversion.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: But oh, I wish you all had jhac-- I wish Robert -� I mean I wish -� what&#39;s his name?

Robert Gonzalez had been more honest. I asked him

several times to go ahead and confess, you know?

he chose not to. Okay. kMR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. I&#39;m, I&#39;m, I&#39;m suppo%ed

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MR. KAVANAUGH: -- because I don&#39;t want heri

to -- you know, I want her to see it that she knows

what -- you know, and he&#39;s not surprised or anything.E1

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, that -- okay, we�ll see

her but I, I don&#39;t want her -� I, I&#39;d, I&#39;d like Her tolook out where she feels safe and sees the car.

MR. KORESH: Okay. All right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Okay. They&#39;re

getting, they&#39;re the car.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Have you -� is your

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thinking of painkiller.

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MR. KORESH: Uh~huh.

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from about six miles. We&#39;re not sending -- we&#39;re92notletting those guys that are on the road there, okay -

MR. KORESH: Okay. &#39;

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when Sita comes back we&#39;ll

a call back when they get»

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MR. KORESH: All right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: All right, and, and hey92--and the mother has to go back. I

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH:

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mistakes. Only the children are coming.MR. KORESH: Now, let me tell you someth%ng

too. If you

MR. KAVANAUGH:

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Yeah.

MR. KORESH: I&#39;ll come out after you. EMR. KAVANAUGH:

mistakes. Okay. We&#39;ll �-

MR. KORESH: Is the

MR. KAVANAUGH:

minutes because we don&#39;t want

the roadblock, so we&#39;re going

Well, I know, David. No ,I

car coming down now? 3

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to send those guys fr%mto send other people.

Well, I&#39;m sending them right from here with me --

MR. KORESH: Okay.

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children to come back to me.

MR. KORESH: All right.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay, because that --

MR. KORESH: You&#39;re a good man, I apprecdatethat.

MR. KAVANAUGH: All right. I don&#39;t wantinobody that&#39;s, you know, out there or something that

kwas �- XMR. KORESH: Hey, you go all around and tell

them that a car&#39;s coming -- k>v

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. 1

MR. KORESH: -- that ~- and that we&#39;re i92. i

sending our kids out two, two�by-two every time theyplay that thing on the, on the radio. i

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send them out two-by-two.92

MR. KORESH: Yeah. K

MR. KAVANAUGH: You, you got it, you got

We will do it, we will do it.

MR. KORESH: Local radio station in Dallas�well, you know, it&#39;ll, it&#39;ll get around. 1

4MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, it&#39;ll get -- it&#39;s

already got around, it&#39;s already got around. Isthere --

MR. KORESH: Go give, go give daddy a hug. M

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MR. KAVANAUGH: David, do you want me to talk

to their mom here for a minute so she can feel like she

trusts me, I will?

MR. KORESH: Well, you know, like, likekyousay, she trusts me. ;

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. That&#39;s good.>MR. KORESH: Just make sure she comes baTk.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Here -- okay. Okay. Okay.MR. KORESH: Hey, and you need to bring Q --

some car seats if you can. &#39; 1

MR. KAVANAUGH: Some car seats? Okay. We&#39;llmake sure we seat-belt them in. 1

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MR. KAVANAUGH: You&#39;ve got to bring them ihere. Our agreement is �- just put them on the phoneOkay. Okay. I was just telling the commander that youhad to bring them here �- 92

MR. KORESH: Okay. 1:MR. KAVANAUGH: -- to me and, and so we can

put them on the phone to you. EMR. KORESH: All right.MR. KAVANAUGH; What -- tell me what they

look like. }MR. KORESH: Well, these two are little

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. I&#39;ll bet they&#39;rebeautiful.

MR. KORESH: They&#39;re really cute. Theyfregood little girls. &#39;

MR. KAVANAUGH= Oriental girls, okay.

MR. KORESH: Yeah. Well, I&#39;m glad you�neletting them come out. I think that&#39;s great.

MR. KORESH: Well, like I said, you know? I indiscernible!. E

MR. KAVANAUGH: I know what&#39;s in your heart

now, I know what&#39;s in your heart. I -� 92MR. KORESH: Hey, all I wanted was to sho%

the seals that indiscernible!. I

Mm. KAVANAUGH: Hey, David I&#39;m telling you,it&#39;s been on the radio, your, your, your message hasgotten out more than ever, you know. I

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! pull my leg oht,pull my leg out. Oh, it&#39;s cramped. Groaning sounds!

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh man, are you okay? *

MR. KORESH: Groaning sounds! oh, do you Q1know what pain is. 92K

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh man, I feel for you,David.

MR. KORESH: Man --

MR. KAVANAUGH: You sound good though. I

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MR. KORESH: It&#39;s sad, you know. It&#39;s -- I,

I got to stay alive at least long enough to ~�

MR. KAVANAUGH: To get these kids out, comeon. We got to. l

STEVE: Get these kids out, yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: You&#39;re a good man, God bhess92

you. �92

Groaning sounds.!

MR. KAVANAUGH: You got to hang with me.§What you got to do is you got to tell Steve too he�

got to hang with it.

STEVE: Lift the leg, lift the leg, please,lift the leg -- back groaning sounds!. i

MR. KAVANAUGH: He said he&#39;s -- that he&#39;sE

trying to stay alive long enough to get the kids oud

and he&#39;s going to send two out every time we run the

message. But no glitches, man. We got to stay with

this. No glitches. Okay.

STEVE: Be sure and have them play that thingright after the two kids, okay -- 3

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: -- and they call back here.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Get, get the radio 1station on the line, okay, and tell them that we&#39;re

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going to -� want them to play the message again once we

get two children. Don&#39;t play it until we get the

children and then -- but I want them to be on an open

line with somebody next door and I -- when we havelthe

children I&#39;ll tell David and then I want it played

okay? That&#39;s our agreement and I don&#39;t want any i>

glitches. I&#39;m sticking up for you, buddy.i

MR. KORESH: Yeah. I

MR. KAVANAUGH: I got a lot of people around

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I&#39;ll tell you, they&#39;re just -� K

MR. KORESH: Well, they have to be, you aillost some of your buddies, man.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, they&#39;re just kind of

sad. E

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Hold on.

MR. KORESH: -- I&#39;ll do what I can for them

when I get back home, all right? Because I don&#39;t, I

don&#39;t contend these guys because most of them they dida good job, you know what I mean? E

MR. KAVANAUGI-I: Yeah. Man ~-UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE SPEAKER: The children x

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lose this if you don&#39;t do it. I can&#39;t keep -- you&#39;ve

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got to do this. I can&#39;t keep this going if you don&#39;t

do it. The car&#39;s got to go. You tell them the car

goes out, the mother walks the two kids out, the twokids get in the car, the agent leaves, they bring thechildren here, I put them on the phone with David, then

we play the message. That&#39;s our agreement and we gotto do it now let&#39;s go. 1

KMR. KORESH: They&#39;re not -- they&#39;re not

scared are they?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, they just don&#39;t want toget shot, I mean, you know? .

MR. KORESH: I understand. 5EMR. KAVANAUGH: Can -~ we can have two 1

agents, right? ,F

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Two agents in the front,

that&#39;s it, and that -- no more, okay? Okay? I92

MR. KORESH: That&#39;s it. EMR. KAVANAUGH: That&#39;s it, that&#39;s okay, we&#39;re

coming. 1MR. KORESH: And then besides, you know, E

there will be a woman there too, see what I&#39;m saying?

MR. KAVANAUGH= Yeah. It -- okay. Commanderpassed on it&#39;s a minivan, okay, a little van.

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MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: It&#39;s all windows in it, youcan see it.

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I mean, there&#39;s no trichs.

MR. KORESH: Well, like I say, we got nightvision on you guys.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, I know you got nightvision. But there&#39;ll be two agents, I mean, and, akdyou&#39;ll be able to see, they&#39;ll pull right up to theiguard shack. Will, will the mother have a light? E

MR. KORESH: Yeah, she&#39;ll have a flashligit,you&#39;ll see it coming. i

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Oh, she&#39;s got a iflashlight? §

MR. KORESH: Yeah, and I&#39;ll hold �- I&#39;ll hiveher hold it down to the ground so she doesn&#39;t flare itin your eyes. i

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Tell, tell Steve if hesees the car -- i

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Huh? H

MR. KORESH: I&#39;m telling some people. Be

sure ~� oh, I say, be sure tell all the guys to hold

fire, that I&#39;m sending some of the children out an

there&#39;s going to be a car come in the front and nok to,not to fire on it, all right? Okay? Yeah, becausethey&#39;ll be going out, okay? Go, go there and tell92them, okay? �

xMR. KAVANAUGH: Tell everybody. That&#39;s gbod.

David. That was good. Steve&#39;s a good man.

MR. KORESH: Well, he, he loves the truth.

They&#39;re reading it again. xMR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. EMR. KORESH: Turn it down.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Now -- my agreement,

I&#39;m playing it. That&#39;s it isn&#39;t it, David? I

MR. KQRESH: That&#39;s it. ,

MR. KAVANAUGH: All right, buddy, I, I kept,K

my word. �

MR. KORESH: And I&#39;m keeping mine.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. You&#39;re a good man. 1

The radio is playing it again. They&#39;re already % indiscernible!.

MR. KORESH: Take care Indiscernible! 1MR. KAVANAUGH: David?

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MR. KORESH: Huh?

MR. KAVANAUGH: We played it. I mean,

we&#39;re �� I&#39;m trying to show you my good faith.

MR. KORESH: Well, I �- like I said, you

know, these children are not in this, you know?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, I know it, buddy, I know

it, I know it, you know.

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man, I, I feel bad. I, I wish I could comfort you

somehow. Ii92

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Hey, that&#39;s it. We know -+

at least we --

MR. KORESH: Is the car here now -� not >coming in the gate.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, no. They&#39;re not coming

in the gate, they just pull up. Oh, okay, yeah. Let{s

get the first indiscernible! David, is, is the motherokay? » A

IMR. KORESH: Yeah, she&#39;s, she&#39;s fine.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. She&#39;s not scared is

she? E

MR. KORESH: N0.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. Good.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, yeah. She believes in

you.

MR. KORESH: She believes in God&#39;s word.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: Nobody can believe on me emcept

they believe God&#39;s word. E>

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.X

MR. KORESH: It&#39;s impossible. KMR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. gMR. KORESH: That&#39;s why no one can just lbok

at me and talk to me and think of me being anything.

That&#39;s me allowed to be like everybody else, got to

establish His equity. XMR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. L

MR. KORESH: But the truth is the truth.l92

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes, I, I believe that, I

believe that. I think we should be getting close here.

MR. KORESH: Getting ready? Go -- goingL92

down. You got a flashlight now? »

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, man, you&#39;re taking --K

you&#39;re taking too much time. Hey, send that goddamn

car -- get somebody up there, I&#39;m going to lose it i

indiscernible! well, this is the only guy that cut thedeal. Can -- well, ask them while I&#39;m on the phone % indiscernible! can they come over here, and we can a�l

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Wayne he&#39;s coming here. We&#39;ll work on his phone.

MR. KORESH: Can you move my leg again,

please? Let&#39;s set it down. No, that one, the other

one. Yeah.

92MR. KAVANAUGH: That will be perfect becausethey can -- *

MR. KORESH: Pick it up. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: -- switch on and off with me_ 92and them.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: David&#39;s hurt in his leg realbad. It&#39;s cramping. §

MR. KORESH: No, it&#39;s just -- okay. Back it

up a little more, please. K

MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I&#39;ve been on since 9:30

too but I mean, I mean I called them when they were

shooting so I mean -� .

MR. KORESH: Little bit more, please. Ba

it up a little bit more. EMR. KAVANAUGH: Indiscernible! as far as

indiscernible! we&#39;d like them to come here, that&#39;s ourrequest so if you can do it I&#39;d appreciate �- I mean,�we got -- we&#39;ll keep the line open. He can keep it �

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MR. KORESH: What now?

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MR. KORESH: Oh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER:

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right.

MR. KORESH: Turn it up. !

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right. There&#39;s -- they�

to ge there, two agents and indiscernibl

MR. KORESH: Could you pull my leg up some

more? Get the cat out. Push it up.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I got to get them to move

faster. They&#39;re too slow. I mean, the guy&#39;s wantinto deal.

MR. KORESH: Okay.

MR. KAVANAUGH: He don&#39;t know. Yeah, but

doesn&#39;t do is any good to deal with the guy who&#39;s nothe boss, you know? I mean -- well, that&#39;s true.

Let&#39;s have them go right up. [gap] Yeah, she will,EDIE .

Child crying!

MR. KAVANAUGH: David?

MR. KORESH: Sir?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Is that a baby crying?

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MR. KORESH: Bobbie.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Bobbie. How old?

MR. KORESH: Bobbie indiscernible! she�?almost a year.

MR. KAVANAUGH: A year, bless her heart. lshe>I

got enough to eat in there? 1

MR. KORESH: Oh, yeah, plenty of food.

indiscernible!. 1

MR. KAVANAUGH: I have two kids, I have twp

kids myself. I have a little girl and a little boy.;

MR. KORESH= Yeah. She&#39;s getting some titty

right now. Good woman. :

MR. KAVANAUGH: Is she? What&#39;s her mom&#39;s �

name?

MR. KORESH: Rachel.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Rachel. 1

MR. KORESH: Who is that, Steve? No, that

our next door neighbors are talking. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: Huh?E

MR. KORESH: Yeah. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: Indiscernible! get the first

one. 92[gap]

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922 7 MR. KAVANAUGH: What happened, Dave?

3 MR. KORESH: He&#39;s probably sad isn&#39;t he?

4 7 MR. KAVANAUGH: Who, who, who is -- whO is

5 Mark?

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10 KAVANAUGH: Is he okay? 1MR.

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fair chance, didn&#39;t he? i

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24 make him indiscernible!. Okay. It&#39;ll be just a few25 minutes. Yeah. We&#39;re -- yeah, we, we want to, you

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MR. KORESH: You all be sure and tellieveryone not to fire on the car. 92

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, they won&#39;t. �

MR. KORESH: Indiscernible! all right.MR. KAVANAUGH: We want everybody to be safe.MR. KORESH: As long as we can make it that

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, we can, I know we can.MR. KORESH: I&#39;ll bet you talked to some neal

psychos in the past haven&#39;t you?

MR. KAVANAUGH: You know, people -- we&#39;re Alldifferent. I&#39;ll tell you, we, we, we&#39;re all sodifferent and we look at things so different and you kknow, when you&#39;re a policeman -- I used to be a deputysheriff and, you know, ride in a uniform car and, you,know, I got a -- I used to help a lot of folks. I xdelivered a baby once and I&#39;ll tell you it was real Eexciting, David, I&#39;ll tell you it really was, you know?

MR. KORESH: Yeah, I&#39;m fixing, I&#39;m fixing tohave a couple more here. -

MR. KAVANAUGH: Oh, are you?

MR. KORESH: Yeah. I have two womenpregnant.

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MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;m glad we are agreeing thati

we love kids and I think that&#39;s, that&#39;s tremendbus.

MR. KORESH: You know, kid -- childrek arethe most important thing to me in my whole life.

MR. KAVANAUGH: I know, I believe you, I

believe you, because -- >

MR. KORESH: Because you can do so much with

them if you know the truth.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um~hum. A

MR. KORESH: Just like my attorney that

helped us in the &#39;88 case -- *

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- Gary Coker.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Coker? Yeah.

MR. KORESH: We had this little pizza party

afterwards and he says -- §MR. KAVANAUGH: Pizza party?

MR. KORESH: Yeah indiscernible! he,|hesays, Dave, how do you -~ how do your children -- how

come they&#39;re so well mannered?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH= And I kept trying to tell him

the seals, but he said no, I don&#39;t want to know

religion. He says, I just want to know how do you get

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|irask you nothing about Bible study.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. David, how did you,

how did you -- you, you just know so much from the

Bible, is that from the seven seals when you got that?Is that how you learned?

MR. KORESH: Yeah.

MR. KAVANAUGH: That&#39;s unbelievable,

amazing. I can&#39;t -� I&#39;ve never �- 92MR. KORESH= Well, you don&#39;t know nothing

yet. bMR. KAVANAUGH: I&#39;ve never spoken to no one

who knows -�

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simple man&#39;s doctrine, isn&#39;t it?

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MR. KORESH: Just pretend you&#39;re a simple-minded man -- i

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. � I

MR. KORESH: -- and you&#39;ve read Matthsw,Mark, Luke, John, right?

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Yes, uh�huh.

MR. KORESH: Okay. Now, when you, when youget to the last book of the New Testament after theBook of Jude, there&#39;s a revelation Jesus Chrisi&#39;s Godgave to him to show to his servants and John was theservant. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right. .MR. KORESH: And John wrote down that

revelation and sent it to the seven churches in Asiaand each church was given specific information abouttheir necessity and need.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right.

MR. KORESH: But in Chapter 4, the me sage toLaodicea, in Chapter 4 the Angel says, come up here nowJohn and I&#39;ll show you that which must be hereafter.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum. �V

MR. KORESH: And John witnessed the LastJudgment in regards to the case of this whole world.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum. iiMR. KORESH: And John saw that all the Heaven

was called together. It&#39;s a serious thing, you know.MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum, I understandl

MR. KORESH: -- and against the natidns, you

know? F

MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand, yeah. &#39;

MR. KORESH: And that&#39;s why I&#39;m her I&#39;m

like your attorney.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right, uh-huh.

MR. KORESH: See, I&#39;m a mediator.

MR. KAVANAUGH:, Yeah.

MR. KORESH: So what happened was th

question was asked in God&#39;s judgment who only

worthy. Let me tell you about my world, okay? &#39;

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay, yeah. lMR. KORESH: You see, when you read t�e story

of Genesis --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -� there was already a wokld

here wasn&#39;t there?

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MR. KORESH: It was void and darkness tn theface of the deep and the Spirit of God was on the face

of the waters and God said, "Let there be 1ight,Lright?

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world here before?

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, I don&#39;t.

MR. KORESH: Well, you know why God said to

Adam and Eve, "Replenish and remultiply the Earth"?

That means put back something don&#39;t it? §

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, I understand.

MR. KORESH: Well, tell me about my Father -�

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- let me tell you abont me.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. l>

MR. KORESH: After Adam and Eve sinhed, theytook of the forbidden fruit, right?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right, um�hum. M

MR. KORESH: There&#39;s only one way to teachmen the lesson that God learned a long time ago. Godis not what you think he is --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right, um-hum. I

MR. KORESH: �- you know? God says, "Behold,

man has become as one of us �- "

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum. �v>

MR. KORESH: -- "only good and evill"

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right. iMR. KORESH: Now, you know God has n t always

been holy. .

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: �- it has to learn good bndevil. Those who realize that there are stars above theHeaven and there&#39;s got to be worlds past Orion }-

MR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum.

MR. KORESH: -- they realize this doesn&#39;t

work. RMR. KAVANAUGH: Um-hum. i

MR. KORESH: You know, when you break thecommandments of God all you&#39;re doing is you&#39;re lbsingthe lack of love --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay. �

MR. KORESH: -- you know? So God had doseparate from men and give them a choice to do tmeirown thing and then when men have found that their ownways are not working and their own ways have broughtsorry and sin and suffering upon them, the wages of sinis death, then God sends a message into the world andsays, Children -- talking to me, you know? And it sayslike this, Who sits on the throne -- " i

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Um�hum.

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studied, we found in scripture, that God require

obedience [gap] because we&#39;re all to keep the lthe name of love --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: I understand. .IMR. KORESH: �- you know, and far as I&#39;m

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MR. KORESH: -- what they learned. okay-dokey. Okay. Bye�bye. Give me a kiss. Come on.

Going to be all right, okay. Remember what you .

learned, okay? Okay. I love you. Bye-bye. Teql themgood-bye. Hey, go tell them who David really is,kokay?Yeah, okay, listen. Y

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they&#39;ll know it. Your, your dad treated me good,

Scott, and that&#39;s all that makes any differencey Hedidn&#39;t know what I thought but he treated me E

respectful, remember that, you know? He&#39;ll do it.

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are going to talk to you afterwards. And you got their

address and phone numbers? Okay. Take this numherI

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MR. KORESH: The phone number is 808! --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay.

MR. KORESH: -- 689 --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Where is that at?

MR. KORESH: 808!, right, 808! --

MR. KAVANAUGH: 689 --

MR. KORESH: �- 689-4457.

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name? Do you know? KM. KORESH: What&#39;s, what&#39;s, what&#39;s theJr

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KORESH: -- Hala, H-A-L-A Drive,E-W-A, B-E-A-C-H, Hawaii.

KAVANAUGH: All right. Give meI got up to Apartment L-3.

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one of my guys, guys here.

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I don&#39;t want to get them spooked out.

MR. KAVANAUGH: No, I understand. We

get in touch with them, okay? This is the granof these children that are coming out, okay?if we can get in touch with them and David want

make sure, you know, they get together --

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MR. KAVANAUGH: -- so we&#39;re going to,going to do that.

MR. KORESH: Is there anymore indisce

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they&#39;re going to play it again -�

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MR. KORESH: -� and then we&#39;re going &#39;

to -- they&#39;re going to come back and we&#39;re goi

send them two more until they&#39;re all gone.

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hey, he&#39;s agreeing to send every kid, every tim weplay two kids he&#39;s agreeing. &#39;

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until we tell them. Get them on the line.

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the driveway?

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to let you down on this.

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just be patient,

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, they just -- they, they

sent a van that didn&#39;t have a radio or just a walkie�talkie --

MR. KORESH: Oh --

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MR. KORESH: Yeah. iMR. KAVANAUGH: Indiscernible!

MR. KORESH: All right. Okay. Are you readyto be enlightened?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

MR. KORESH: Okay. Now, David is promised byGod that God would rule over Israel through his seed.

So David writes in the psalm and the Psalm is 89. Yougot it there?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah, wait, hold one sebond.

If they take that lady indiscernible! something andhe&#39;s going to get real upset. Make sure they know.

David said the lady doesn&#39;t want to go and that she&#39;sgoing back. Is that -- that&#39;s right, isn&#39;t it David?

MR. KORESH: Yes, she wants to come back and

she&#39;ll be bringing out each of, each of the children.

MR. KAVANAUGH: She&#39;s going to bring outiallthe children. She&#39;s coming back. She&#39;s going to bringthem out every time, the same lady so we have the same

drill. No mistakes. All right. Okay. Go ahead.§MR. KORESH: They understand there, right?

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MR. KORESH: Yeah, let them, let them,

them go out the back or something or just get the

out there. We need to, we need to get these kids out.

MR. KAVANAUGH: Hold on.

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MR. KORESH: The -- okay, the, the car is out

there they say but then they said it started leaving.

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walking down the drive?

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know whether, you know, they see the flashlight. �

MR. KAVANAUGH: He&#39;s telling me to get a car

with a radio. Get a car with a radio next time!

We&#39;re going to do that.

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MR. KAVANAUGH: This thing -- it was just

glitch, David, on the walkie and the reason was we weretrying to, you know, use the van that had all the

windows so, you know, none of your guys would thin @-

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Sita will come back.

MR. KORESH: Keep down Jess, okay. So,

psalm says �� 1MR. KAVANAUGH: Okay, and the kids are cohing

1down with a flashlight with the mother.

MR. KORESH: They see it, right?

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MR. KAVANAUGH: Well, I, I think it&#39;s just

communications, the, the walkie-talkie.

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mercies of the Lord forever: with my mouth will I makeA

known thy faithfulness to all generations. For I saidyour mercy shall be built up forever: thy faithfulJessshalt thou establish in the very heavens." Now, yo?know where God sit on the throne in Revelation, right?He&#39;s got a rainbow over this throne don&#39;t he? R

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covenant with my chosen," that&#39;s the seven seals.

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don&#39;t want to go.

MR. KAVANAUGH: He&#39;s talking to the kid --

the agent&#39;s talking to the kids. Make sure the mbtherstays there. 1

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rest. Don&#39;t take the mother. She doesn&#39;t -- her

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MR. KORESH: Okay. Okay. Ready?

MR. KAVANAUGH: Yeah.

MR. KORESH: Verse 3, "I have made a covedantwith my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, thyseed will I establish forever, and build up thy throneto all generations. And the heavens shall praise theywonders, oh Lord: they faithfulness also -- " i

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really killed with the rest of the people, the reasobut -- the reason being is, is that the spies came iand they were being searched out --

MR. KAVANAUGH: Right.

MR. KORESH= -- and they came to her houseand they asked her to help them. Well, she had knownthe God of Israel was greater than her god, risked herown life in trying to defend the spies of Israel. So

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that you bring into your house so she was the only iordained minister from God and all she brought to herhouse they were saved. But she was as she was i indiscernible! spiritual --

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seven seals and people realize they can&#39;t fight against

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everything thereof, thou has founded them. The north,the south, thou has created them: Ta-bor and Her-monishall rejoice in thy name." &#39;That&#39;s the places where�

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