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Quest For The Lost Seafrfattare - Martin Chlup / 12. 11. 2005Troy Found Anew

The ancient city of Troy has been discovered several times already. It lies in Turkey, also in Britain, evenin Finland We came across an unknown work of a deceased amateur scientist who developed a theory(based on convincing arguments) that turns on its head the traditional explanation of Europes oldestwritten history.

The author says, for example, that the Argonauts stole the Golden Fleece in Romania, Ovid spent hisexile in Serbia, Troy was in the mountains of Rumania and Ulysses lost his boat and his loot on theDanube. All this happened around a huge freshwater sea covering most of what is now Hungary. The seadried up at the end of that ancient era and the world soon forgot about it. Well, at least the Pannon Seaseems to be a fact. Is the rest of the story real as well? Thats what I would like to know.

I am a TV director, not a scientist. I know for sure this is the sort of thing that promises an interestingmovie. Erich von Dniken became famous with much less plausible theories. So I offer the basicarguments of the author. I intend to shoot a TV series about it in the future and I would welcome anycontribution.

Quest For The Lost Sea


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treatment for a six-part TV series

This series is based on a hundred-page work of Jaroslav Sedlek, an amateur scientist from HradecKrlov, Czech Republic (1993). He devoted his life to the study of the oldest written history of ancientEurope and provided a new and provocative explanation of many key events in the history of ancientGreece and Rome. We will set out on a journey to the past in the footsteps of heroes, which about thirtyor thirty-five centuries ago were laying claim to immortality by slaughtering, ransacking, kidnappingbeautiful women and by lying about their own bravery.

Part 1 Forgotten Sea

Excavations in modern Hungary, Slovakia, South Moravia, Romania and Serbia reveal an interesting fact:iron-age hunters did not leave any traces in the lowlands. They always lived on hillocks and, in eachperiod of history, at exactly the same elevation. The older excavations are higher than the newer ones,everywhere. It is as if the mammoth hunters had a giant spirit level. And, in fact, they did they lived onthe coastline of a gigantic freshwater sea now known as the Pannon Sea. Among other things, theylived by fishing even in places where there are no signs of fish today. This sea gradually dried up until,a few centuries before Christ, it disappeared for good. The Danube eroded its rocky banks and the effectwas as if a gigantic bath plug had been pulled out. The entire Pannonian lowland dried up in placeschanged almost to a desert. This is how the Hungarian flatland, known as the puszta, came into

existence. All that remains of this gigantic okan, as the Greeks called it, is todays Lake Balaton.


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Historically, this sea covered half of Hungary and part of Romania. After a few centuries nobody knewwhere the sea that had previously been known as the North Sea, the Atlantic Ocean and as PontosEuxeinus was. Historians conception started being based on the belief that the map of Europe has beenthe same as far back as mankind can remember.

Part 2 Darius in the Balkans

Let us start with a story, which is important only for its exact description of the world five centuries beforeChrist when this sea was almost dried up. It concerns Herodotuss description of the expedition of thePersian king Darius against the Scythians. As historians now tell us, when Darius wanted to wage war onthe Scythians, he gathered an army, in Persia, of seven hundred thousand soldiers on horse and foot andset out for the Ukraine. He crossed the Bosporus on a floating bridge, built by the Greeks from AsiaMinor, and turned north. He sent builders ahead by sea to build for him another floating bridge over theDanube. After he crossed it, he ordered his men to guard the bridge for sixty days, awaiting his return. Hegave them a belt with sixty knots. Each day one knot was untied. Then he turned east with the army tothe river Tanais, or what is now known as the river Don. After crossing the Don, into the land of theSauromats, he travelled north to the land of Budas. There, he burned down their wooden town.


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From there he traveled east across the river Volga to the land of the Thyssagets and then to the Uralmountains. Throughout the entire journey, the Scythians avoided the fight. They demolished wells anddrove away their cattle until they wore out the Persians. Darius turned back and traveled west to theareas inhabited by the Melanchlains, the Androfags and the Neurus peoples, through Scythia to thebridge over the Danube he was late by only a few days and the bridge still stood. From there, hecontinued on to the Dardanelles.

This is what history would have us believe. Yet it is difficult to imagine infantry marching through a barrenland, constantly battling natives, fully occupied in constructing fortifications and razing towns, yet coveringa distance of about two thousand miles in 68 days. Moreover, it is even more difficult to imagine how theynegotiated rivers over a mile wide without a bridge, without boats, and without wood to build them.Furthermore, in the description, there are many rivers that we cannot find on the map, try as we might.Other rivers flow in the opposite direction.

Sedlek sees things differently. He believes Herodotus had accurate information and that, indeed, manyof the local names and the river names have been preserved in some form to this day. Darius crossed theDanube at Turnu Severin. He turned north, crossed the river Tanais that is the river Tisza, a brook,compared to the river Don, at the land of Budas near Budapest. He burned down the wooden town,then turned east to the land of the Thyssagets the inhabitants of the Tisza region and then to Neurus.Even now the cities have the same names: Nyregyhza, Nyrbtor, Nyrszls etc. The rivers that hecrossed correspond in number, direction of flow and even name with rivers that still exist today. (The riverGerros is todays Krs, Borysthens is Beretty, Oaros is Arie etc.)

Arriving back at Turnu Severin his route is clear. Everything corresponds; distances, number of daysmarching, directions, mountains, lowlands, local names. It seems that Sedlek elaborated Dariussitinerary precisely. Why? Mainly, because he wanted to identify exactly the places where individualpeoples in the Balkans and Pannonia used to live. This information will be useful later on in the series, asit provides a basic orientation of the Balkan region, where we intend to show that these stories should berelocated. This also proves that the Scythians did not live in the Ukraine, as is generally accepted. Greeksand Persians regarded this territory as Asia. So Metternichs famous bon mot that Asia begins in Viennaon Landstrasse is not so far from the truth. Actually the most interesting implication is that all of us who

live on the left bank of the Danube live in Asia without knowing it.

Part 3 Argonauts

The ancient Greeks, the founders of European culture, glossed over their pillaging and plundering withtales of heroism and adventure. One of these myths is the story of Jasons journey on the Argo tomythical Colchis, for the Golden Fleece.

What is the Golden Fleece? Hardly a remnant of a golden ram, as the myth says. There could be twoexplanations: sheepskin used to separate out gold particles from sand, etc. in a washing process or veinsof natural gold. Both indicate that Colchis must have been rich in gold. Jason did not succeed in buying itor obtaining it for tasks he performed in the service of King Aietus killing dragons, giants etc. He simplystole it and took the kings daughterMedea with him as a lover or a hostage.

Historical science places Colchis in the foothills of the Caucasus. But there are no deposits of gold in thatarea. On the other side of the Caucasus, however, in Romania, gold has been present until recent times.Sedlek explains the word Colchis as a mountainous land and Colchidians as, simply, highlanders.This is feasible, as in Romania gold is mined in the mountains.

According to another myth, the kidnapping of Medea, along with three other women, was allegedly thecause of the Trojan War. Diodor wrote that Medea took Jason to the place where the Taurus wereguarding the Golden Fleece and spoke to them in their language. However, the Taurus did not live in theCaucasus, but in Scythia. And Scythians, as we mentioned in the previous chapter, lived in Hungary and


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Romania. Colchis, then, was located on the east coast of the Carpathian Sea (Pannon Sea).

After the theft and the kidnapping, the people of Colchis knew that the Greeks would be looking for theshortest route home. So they cut across the straits around the Peuke island (todays mount ZagajikoBrdo for simplicity I present only conclusions, not the whole process; we will use a map of theCarpathian Sea and raise the water level about 90 meters above the sea level, as it corresponds to thetime of the story) and seized the estuary of the river Ister Danube. Which made the return of the Greeksimpossible. The Argonauts with absolutely no way out turned back and fled by sea to the north. In theend they sailed into the river Rhodan. Which river is that? The correct pronunciation of rh is hr in

Ancient Greek. Therefore the rivers name was Hrodan. And after a longer search, we discover that thecurrent name of the river is Hornd. The Argonauts, according to the myth, paddled against the flow asfar as its spring in east Slovakia. There they got the boat over the water divide and by another river theyreached the Baltic. Travelling along the European coast according to the myth, along the land of theCelts they finally got back to Greece. It is reported that they brought amber with them and that is to befound in the Baltic.

Part 4 Ovid in Exile

Publius Ovid Naso, the Roman lyrical poet, left for exile in the 8 A.D. The rest of his life he lived unhappilyin the village of Tomis on the shore of the Pontos Sea. This name has been settled on historical scienceidentified Pontos as the Black Sea and Tomis as Romanian Constanca. Ovid even has a monumentthere. However, he was never there.

The exact and reliable sources of information are his poems and letters to his friends. He writes, forexample that he is among Scythians and Gets. He often complains about the sea freezing over everywinter and people walking or riding on the frozen surface. The Black Sea is known to have been frozensolid only twice. So it cannot be Pontos. It is similar to the bog or marsh, this lazy sea. For sure we knowfrom the graph, how the water level of the Carpathian Sea decreased. At the break of the era the sea wasalmost dried up. The sea in Constanca is neither dried up nor lazy nor muddy. Ovid writes, that he livesin such a place where the estuary of the Hister that is the Danube is located. The Danube does notflow into the sea in Constanca. Ovid writes that the sea is sweet freshwater. He describes his journey toPont as crossing the Haimos covered with clouds. Haimos is the Bulgarian mountain range of Staraplanina. But on the way to Constanca these mountains are small hills. On the way to the midlands,

however, there are mountains over 2000 meters. And so on and so on. Herodotus writes that in theScythian land it freezes for 8 months of the year and the sea freezes, as well as the whole KimmerBosporus. Kimmer Bosporus is the estuary of the Danube.

From the Kimmers town it is 2500 steps across the straits. This width thus divides Europe from Asia andwas measured by walking on the frozen straits (Plinius).Yes, the left side of the Danube was consideredto be Asia. Let us recollect Darius, who controlled Asia and thats why he set out for a war against theScythians, to control it all.


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If Ovid writes that he is washed ashore on the bank of the Styg, the search is simple. Even on todaysmaps there is a valley, through which flows the last tributary of the Danube before Kimmer Bosporus, andthis valley is named Stig. Here the Black Sea or also Hades, the underworld, was located.

So it appears that the town of Tomis, where Ovid spent the rest of his life, is located on the other bank,opposite the town of Stara Palanka. There are ruins of the Serbian castle Ram and next to it there arethe remains of Roman fortifications. Probably this is the place where the sculpture from Constancabelongs.

Surface beaten for the first time with Jasons paddle,Scenery, where is always the crucial enemy and snow

Part 5 Troy Discovered for the Second Time

Finding Troy has been the historians greatest challenge. What the German businessman Schliemannexcavated is presented in textbooks as Troy. But it cannot be Troy for several reasons.

The cause of the Trojan War was allegedly the kidnapping of a few women. It is hard to believe that in thetimes, where kidnapping of women was a common thing, men from all over Greece would go on such a

bloody adventure for this reason. The real reason undoubtedly was the fact that Jason found out that thearea surrounding Troy is very rich in gold and the Greeks set out to seize this gold. What are the goldenfields like in Asia Minor? There are none.

The second reason was that the so called sea peoples increasingly threatened the territory controlled bythe Greeks. So the Greeks set out to settle the score with them. The list of peoples that fought on the sideof Troy is practically the same as the list of sea peoples. If we locate these peoples on a map, usinginformation from different sources, such as the expedition of Darius against the Scythians, we find thatthey are almost without exception the peoples that lived in the territory of Bulgaria, Romania andYugoslavia, but not Turkey. If we can believe the ancient historians, the City of Troy simply was not inTurkey. Schliemann probably excavated a town, which the sea peoples once or even twice devastated ontheir raids, which were the cause and then the result of the Trojan War.

According to Homer, Troy has two names: Troy and Ilion. So either it was one town with two concurrentlyused names which does not make much sense or there were two different towns close to each other.Now, let us try to use modern technology instead of ancient historians. Let us use detailed navigationsoftware for searching for places on the map and let us assign it the task of finding on the world map twotowns similar to the names Troy and Ilion and moreover close to each other. If we enter only the firstthree lettersTro and Ili geographical names are changed particularly by endings, we will get asurprise result. In central Romania, in the river basin of the river Mures, which used to flow into theCarpathian Sea, two towns named Ilia and Troas lie at a distance of 40 km from each other. The closestgold field is again 40 km from the town of Ilia. It looks as ifwe have hit the bulls eye.


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Troy was a steep nest. Troas lies in steeply rising hills. A mountain stream or a brook should flownearby. This also corresponds. During the shooting we can search for warm and cold headsprings, whichhelped Schliemann to determine Troy. But in a different place, Homer describes the scenery as flat. Ilia issituated on flat land. And of course we have another ten items proving our case, which are mainly basedon sailing on the Carpathian Sea, names of peoples, places etc. All these support our hypothesis. Suchan accurate place, which seems to have been given by the names of the two cities, cannot be found in

old records. Further investigation can only be continued with a pickaxe

Part 6 The Inglorious Return

During the war itself, disputes among the Greek leaders, most commonly between Ulysses and Achilles,used to appear more and more frequently. After the conquest of both towns the conflicts grew sharperand led to the total disintegration of the united army and probably individual groups were prowling thearea. Ulysses, as the most greedy of them, changed his mind on his way back and returned to pillagefurther on the shore of Pont. This turned out to be his fatal mistake. Step by step he lost his boats andeven his loot. A similar fate was met by others, for example, by Achilles and Agamemnon, the return of


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the Greeks from the war was inglorious.

We all remember from school the nonsense of how Ulyssess return used to be explained. The hero sailsto Turkey, then to the Ukraine, to Sicily, to North Africa, to Byzantium, then to Italy; the more venturesomeauthors sent him even to the Azores. Nobody would sail from Turkey to Greece in this way.

However, if we consider Troy being in western Romania and the return by boat having to be made acrossthe Carpathian Sea and then through the Danube to the Black Sea, Ulyssess return makes sense. Let ushave a look what it probably looked like. The guide is the river, which can assure us that all the storiesmust have happened on the river or in its vicinity. Strabon and others explain that when Homer speaksabout a river, he means the sea, with its ebb and flow. But he did indeed mean the river.

The witch Circe described to Ulysses a course of sailing down the Danube, because it had not beenknown to the Greeks then. The Danube probably was not for example due to Iron gates and otherplaces navigable for boats upstream. The question is how the expedition arrived from Greece to Troy,but Homer does not describe this. The Odyssey supports the theory that navigability was not so greatdownstream either.

Just briefly:

First the Sirens these might have a connection with the river Sirinia, the side tributary of the Danube.Rock reefs Plankts a 40-km stretch of the Danube, that is lined with rocks 500-m high.The horrible, cave-dwelling Scylla in the narrow pass named Kazan, there is a rock, called Sukar,where there is a gigantic cave above todays water level. Nearby, Charybdis gulps in and sprays water. Inthe period about which we are speaking, the river in this place was well over 50 meters deep, with a verystrong current, so huge eddies were formed proof of this can be seen in the huge holes in the rocks,created by water erosion.Thrinakia islandthe river ern (Black), the side tributary of the Danube, in Greek the translation maybe Thrinakia.The strong wind broke the mast the mountains must have given way to an open area, where the windcould blow this strongly this happens at Turnu Severin.Ulyssess boat foundered at Charybdis the second Charybdis is todays Iron Gate where there are stil lgigantic eddies.

Method

First, we will briefly present the original story as described, for instance, by Homer.Next a broadly accepted scientific explanation will follow given either by a presenter or by scientists.Only then can we begin our story, our version of events. Thus, there will be a constant conflict of views and the viewer will always get all the necessary information so that he could appreciate our approach.With the help of a presenter, we will use real evidence in actual locations to visualize our story.The presenter will paddle a boat down the Danube, he will sit on the rock as Ovid did, trudge up the hill tothe city of Troy, he will try to pull the boat over the water divide as the Argonauts once did in EastSlovakia. He will drive a 4 x 4, with a rubber dinghy on the roof and the whole event will be seen as anexpedition to the European past.

Among other things, this will allow us to overcome the absence of visual material for some parts of thestory. Sometimes it will add a humorous element, it will allow non-formal contact with local inhabitants,etc. But it will always serve to enhance the underlying, serious commentary of historical, archaeological,linguistic, hydrologic and geographic facts and hypotheses, as well as absurdities that do exist.

To a large extent we will use computer animation for the adjustment of maps and topographical models;modern buildings will be removed, for example, areas of land flooded with water or covered with soldiers,ancient buildings added where they would have existed, and so forth

Our goal is to illustrate Sedleks vision not to search for an objective truth. Erich von Dniken also


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became the target of mockery by many scientists and yet it was he who showed us all that historical truthmay well stand on legs of clay and that imagination plays an important role. Our story is probably of thiskind. If it turns out to be true then so much the better. If not, it does not matter. Troy found by Schliemannis no more real than our Troy since up to now there has been no real proof that it is Troy thatSchliemann found.

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