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THIS HOUSE BELIEVES A MOVE TO THE LEFT ISGOOD FOR LABOUR

Labour, together with the Coner!ati!e one o" the two #artiethat $o%inate U& #o'iti(, i tra$itiona'') a 'e"t o" (entre #art) but ha, in(e the %i$ *++ been a (entrit #art) rebran$e$ a-.ew Labour/0 The Labour #art) ha howe!er 'ot the 'at twoe'e(tion1 in 2* un$er Gor$on Brown, an$ in 2*3 when the'ea$er wa E$ Mi'iban$0 4ith E$ Mi'iban$ ha!ing reigne$a"ter hi #art)/ #oor #er"or%an(e at the genera' e'e(tionLabour engage$ in a 'ea$erhi# (ontet through the u%%er o" 2*30 5ere%) Corb)n got onto the ba''ot with the he'# o" Labour M6 who wante$ to in(reae the bre$th o" the $ebatein the (ontet rather than 'ea!ing it between three (enterit07*8 Howe!er bene"itting "ro% a (hange in the e'e(tion ru'ethat gi!e the %e%berhi# %u(h %ore a) 9 'i%iting that o" M6 an$ union 9 aw a urge in u##ort "or Corb)n whoe!entua'') won with 3+03: o" the !ote0728So what $oe being 'e"t wing a(tua'') %ean an)wa);Genera'') it %ean being ra$i(a', re"or%ing an$ o(ia'it0 It(an be, an$ o"ten i, #rogrei!e0 In e(ono%i( ter% it uua'')%ean %ore tate (ontro'


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.ew Labour e'e(tab'e b) %o!ing to the (entre0 5ere%)Corb)n now gi!e the e'e(torate a rea' (hoi(e (o%#are$ to theConer!ati!e #art)1 ta(@'ing the $e"i(it through ta rie


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e""e(t, $etro) the (ontra(t it un$er#in0 The #ro(e o" go!ernan(e %a) at ti%e be (u%bero%e an$ a##arent')inter!entionit but the reu't o" thoe inter!ention are(o''e(ti!e e(urit)0 4ithout it o(iet) a we @now it wou'$return to a tate o" nature where a'' e(e#t thoe with the%ean to #a) "or their own #rote(tion 9 #h)i(a' an$ "inan(ia' 9 wou'$ be at ri@0

COU.TER6OI.TLibertariani% i not about abo'ihing the tate, i%#') aboutreturning it to an a##ro#riate iNe0 In the era "o''owing 44IIthe tate in %ot 4etern nation e#an$e$ into a'%ot e!er)area o" (itiNen/ 'i!e0 In the USA in *+2+ go!ern%ente#en$iture a((ounte$ +0J: b) 2 thi ha$ rien to 3:,thi i %irrore$ e'ewhere, in Swe$en at the beginning o" the2th (entur) go!ern%ent e#en$iture wa K: o" GD6, it hanow rien to o!er 3:07i8 The #erio$ o" high e#en$iture ithe hitori(a' ano%a'), not the nor%0The 'ibertarian %o!e%ent ee@ to return the 'e!e' o" go!ernan(e to the %ore tra$itiona' -night wat(h%an tate/where the go!ern%ent ha re#onibi'it) "or #rote(ting the bor$er, %aintaining $o%eti( e(urit) an$ the #ro!iion o" a

'e!e' o" u##ort that #re!ent $etitution0Be)on$ that the tate hou'$ not rea'') ha!e a ro'e0 It (ertain')$oe not ha!e the %ora'iing, e%i#arenta' ro'e it ha ta@enon07i8 H)%an, Da!i$ .0, Public "inance # Contemporary

#pplication o$ Theory to Policy, Tenth E$ition, South 4eternCengage Learning, 2*,htt#boo@0goog'e0(o0u@boo@;i$PrB*MBVAKGBAC'#gP6A*JotP$)C>JCF000 ##0*3*

Libertarianism is really a coalition of the unwilling# the

fringes of the left and right happy to critici$e but withouta single policy on which they can agree

6OI.TThe a''ian(e u##orting 'ibertariani% i an intereting one,(oniting %ot') o" rightwing #rag%atit who $on/t want to #a) tae an$ 'e"t wing i$ea'it who thin@ that e!er)one wou'$ be @in$ an$ he'#"u' in a "ree o(iet)04hat both grou# i%#') ignore i that there are %an) iue,u(h a the re$itribution o" in(o%e or #rohibition o" $rug,where there i a ett'e$ wi'' o" o(iet) that u##ort the tatu>uo0 E!en the !er) #reen(e o", "or ea%#'e, wi$e#rea$ $rugue wou'$ be an o""en(e to !er) 'arge nu%ber o" #eo#'e an$un"air') i%#inge u#on their 'i!e whi(h i wh) o "ew #eo#'e

a(tua'') !ote "or 'ibertarian #artie on(e the) "in$ out therea'itie0

COU.TER6OI.TIt i abo'ute') the (ae that an in$i!i$ua' ha the right not to be har%e$ b) the a(tion o" another but it wou'$ be i%#oib'eto argue that the) ha!e the right not to be o""en$e$0The #reu%#tion hou'$ a'wa) be in "a!our o" the "a(t that #eo#'e are "ree to $o in their own 'i!e whate!er the) wih o'ong a it $oen/t (aue har%0 That i an attra(ti!e #oition to%an) but, ine!itab'), thoe interete$ in 'i"et)'e or #o'i(iethat $o not "a'' within the -tan$ar$ %o$e'/ a a reu't

'ibertarian #o'i(ie ha!e ten$e$ to re(ei!e their %o!o(i"erou u##ort at the %argin o" the #o'i() agen$a, that$oe not %ean howe!er, that the a##roa(h i not e>ua'') bene"i(ia' to thoe with a %ore %aintrea% !iew0

Libertarianism only works % even in theory % if you start

off with a level playing field" The reality is that that is no

the case

6OI.TIt i entire') #oib'e, i" one were (ontru(ting a h)#otheti(ao(iet) "ro% (rat(h, that )ou wou'$n/t en$ u# with one'oo@ing 'i@e an a(tua' o(iet) that ha e!o'!e$ o!er (enturieor %i''ennia0 Howe!er in the rea' wor'$ there are interegrou# an$ thoe who to a greater or 'eer $egree area$!antage$ or $ia$!antage$, e!er)one %a) ha!e e>ua' right but we $o not a'wa) natura'') ha!e an e>ua' (a#abi'it) to$e"en$ our right0 The ro'e o" the tate i to #ro!i$e o%e$egree o" ba'an(e0 Si%#') re%o!ing the %e(hani% in #'a(ewou'$ a((entuate thoe $i""eren(e that eite$ within o(iet)at the ti%e o" their re%o!a'0

COU.TER6OI.TThe re$u(tion in the iNe o" the tate i a #ro(e an$ not ane!ent0 Ro''ing ba(@ the tate (an be $one o!er ti%e gi!ing #eo#'e re#onibi'it) an$ #ower o!er their 'i!e on a growingrange o" iue0 The #reu%#tion that the tate hou'$ on') a(twhen in$i!i$ua' (an/t, howe!er, wou'$ re!ere the $ire(tiono" 'egi'ation whi(h ha ten$e$ to ee the inter!ention o" thetate into the 'i!e o" it (itiNen a bene"i(ia' in an$ o" ite'" 9not ?ut the nann) tate but the "urther au%#tion that -nann)@now bet/0The ro'e o" go!ern%ent hou'$ on') to be that a'' ha!e e>uaa((e to the a!ai'ab'e "ree$o% an$ that thoe "ree$o% arenot abue$0 Thee #rin(i#'e are @nown a the 'aw o" e>ua

'ibert)an$ the nonaggreion #rin(i#'e between the two o" the% the)(o%"ortab') (ontro' an$ $e"ine the ro'e o" the tate0

THIS HOUSE 4OULD BE A LIBERTARIA.1 RIGHT ORLEFT, RIGHT OR 4RO.G0Libertariani%, in the tri(t ene, i the %ora' !iew thaagent initia'') "u'') own the%e'!e an$ ha!e (ertain %ora' #ower to a(>uire #ro#ert) right in eterna' thing0 In a 'ooerene, 'ibertariani% i an) !iew that a##roi%ate the tri(t!iew07i8 Libertariani% i a ter% ue$ o "ree') that both Ron6au' an$ .oa% Cho%@) ha##i') ue it to $e(ribe the%e'!e 9 a'beit one a a Libertarian Coner!ati!e an$ the other a a

Libertarian So(ia'it0 In 'ight o" thi "a(t it wou'$ bete%#ting to au%e that the ter% i about a %eaning"u' a the$e('aration that #o'iti(ian an$ author u##ort $e%o(ra()"ree$o%, truth or, "or that %atter, the right to wear o(@Howe!er, Libertariani% i a #hi'oo#h) that i a##'i(ab'e tothe 'e"t or the right an$ it ha %eaning rather than i%#') a a #'atitu$e0That ai$, Congre%an 6au' an$ 6ro"eor Cho%@) wou'$init that the) ha!e entire') $i""erent un$ertan$ing o" theter%0 In the wor$ o" Da!i$ Frei$%an, There %a) be two'ibertarian o%ewhere who agree with one another, but I a%not one o" the%0 There are (ertain') %ore $e"inition o" the

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ter% than there are #ro#onent a the brie"et atte%#t to ee@ out a $e"inition wi'' $e%ontrate7ii80Howe!er, "or a'' o" the (on"uion, in #o'iti(a' ter% it (ani%#') be (oni$ere$ a $eire to ha!e a 'itt'e inter!ention b)other into in$i!i$ua' 'i!e a #oib'e0 A 'ibertarian nee$ notgi!e u# either hi eat in Congre nor hi (hair at MIT0 Itwou'$ be ea) to #ortra) Libertarian a "anati( 'i!ing in a(abin in Montana with nothing but *3 hotgun, a 'i"eti%e/u##') o" tinne$ %eat an$ a to!e to @ee# the% war% but therea'it) (ou'$ not be "urther "ro% that tereot)#e0The !er) "a(t that "igure 'i@e Ron 6au' an$ Ra'#h .a$er, an$it wou'$ be har$ to "in$ two #eo#'e %ore (i!i(a'') engage$ or "ro% %ore $i""erent #er#e(ti!e in tra$itiona' ter%, (an it$own an$ ha!e a eriou (on!eration about wor@ing together ugget that there %a) be an i$ea here whi(h tran(en$ the$a)to$a) >uabb'ing o" 4ahington DC7iii80Thi i not a one o"" "'ight o" "an() "or Re#0 6au'0 In 2* he ?oine$ "or(e with Sen0 San$er uiition abo'ute') ne(ear) "or hi Subiten(eee% to %e to be the (reature o" #ub'i( Con!ention0 Hen(e,the #ub'i( ha the right o" regu'ating De(ent, an$ a'' other

Con!e)an(e o" 6ro#ert), an$ e!en o" 'i%iting the >uantit)an$ ue o" it0 A'' the #ro#ert) that i ne(ear) to a %an i hinatura' Right, whi(h none %a) ?ut') $e#ri!e hi% o", but a'6ro#ert) u#er"'uou to u(h 6ur#oe i the #ro#ert) o" the6ub'i( who, b) their Law ha!e (reate$ it an$ who %a), b)other Law $i#oe o" it07i8The #oint i that an in$i!i$ua' (annot wa'@ u# to a (he%i(a' #'ant an$ te'' the% to %o!e it, on') a go!ern%ent, e'e(te$through (o''e(ti!e a(tion (an $o that07i8 Fran@'in, Ben?a%in, -Ben?a%in Fran@'in to Robert Morri/23 De(e%ber *K, in The Foun$er/ Contitution, Vo'0 *Cha#ter *, Do(u%ent *2, htt##re #ub0u(hi(ago0e$u"oun$er$o(u%ent!*(h**20ht%'

A growing alliance that defies party lines and the

definitions of the last century

6OI.TA 'ibertarian agen$a i one that $raw #eo#'e "ro% a(ro the #o'iti(a' #e(tru%0 The (rii in the "inan(ia' e(tor ha(on"ir%e$ "or %an) that go!ern%ent an$ 'arge "inan(iaintitution ha!e i%#') got too ('oe0 Re#ub'i(an a) the)(an re$u(e the iNe o" go!ern%ent but ne!er $o, De%o(rata) the) (an regu'ate (or#oration but how no ign o" $oingo0

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The #ri%ar) reaon wh) #eo#'e (an a##roa(h 'ibertariani%"ro% a(ro the #o'iti(a' #e(tru% i that, a a #hi'oo#h), it$oen/t ee@ to ?u$ge in$i!i$ua' #o'i(ie0 So #o'i(ietra$itiona'') ao(iate$ with the 'e"t 9 the 'ega'iNation o" $rugor ga) right 9 a we'' a thoe o" the right in$e#en$en(e "or (hoo' an$ re$u(ing taation 9 both "a'' within a Libertarianagen$a that i%#') a) that none o" thee iue are an) buine o" the tate7i807i8 Brian Mi(@'ethwaite0 How to 4in The LibertarianArgu%ent0 *++

COU.TER6OI.TE#erien(e tea(he u that i" )ou i%#') re%o!e thego!ern%ent then thoe who are (urrent') trong get tronger an$ thoe who are wea@ get $etro)e$0 Ta(@'ing iue u(h a #re?u$i(e in the wor@#'a(e, hea'th an$ a"et), #rote(ting the!u'nerab'e, %anaging i%%igration an$ a %i''ion other re>uirenot on') the in!o'!e%ent o" the tate but "or a go!ern%ent thati a(ti!e') engage$ in (ountering #ri!ate interet0 To a''owthe %ar@et to run un"ettere$ ee% un'i@e') to #rote(t theright o" the in$i!i$ua' but, rather wou'$ (e$e har$ "ought

right to the ra#a(iou interet o" (or#oration04ithout (o%#u'ion b) go!ern%ent, it i un'i@e') that the$ia$!antage$ in o(iet) wou'$ be #ai$ %u(h hee$7i807i8 QLibertariani%Q0 Stan$"or$ En()('o#e$ia o" 6hi'oo#h)

There is very little meaningful choice left in many societies

with the ma'or parties all singing from the same score

6OI.TOne o" #rin(i#a' reaon "or the growth o" 'ibertarian #artie,e#e(ia'') in the 4et, i the $o%inan(e o" one #arti(u'ar i$eo'ogi(a' !iew#oint that i broa$') hare$ b) a'' the %a?or

#artie0A a reu't an)one who $oe not hare thi !iew#oint aree""e(ti!e') $ien"ran(hie$ an$ ha!e the wor'$ !iew o" a $e"a(to go!erning ('a i%#oe$ u#on the%0 The on') enib'ere#one i to re$u(e the i%#a(t o" that go!ern%ent a'together0In$ee$ in the Unite$ State, where the 'ibertarian argu%ent ha been %a$e %ot !o(i"erou'), the entire #o'iti(a' )te% i$eigne$ on the #re$i(ate o" a %ini%a'it tate an$ i #oor')$eigne$ to $ea' with the behe%oth that the Fe$era'Go!ern%ent ha be(o%e0

COU.TER6OI.T

The a##ro#riate re#one, in a $e%o(ra(), to a hege%oni( #o'iti(a' ('a i not to (ra# the State a'together but i%#') to!ote "or o%eone e'e0It i a'o intereting to note the 'arge nu%ber o" #eo#'e whoare ('ai%ing that -nothing (an be $one/ or that -!oting ne!er (hange an)thing/ are the%e'!e e'e(te$ re#reentati!e0In thoe (ountrie where there i a $o%inan(e o" two %a?or #artie, thoe #artie a'o ten$ to re"'e(t a wi$e $i!erit) o" !iew, thu in the Unite$ State an$ Britain there (an be a%u(h $i!iion within the #artie a between the%0The "a(t that there i a broa$ (onenu on (ertain @e) iue,u(h a the genera' tru(ture o" the e(ono%i( %o$e', re"'e(t

not the i%#oition or a wor'$!iew but the au%#tion o" awor'$!iew hare$ b) the !at %a?orit) in thoe o(ietie0

THIS HOUSE 6REFERS ITS GOVER.ME.T BIG A.DBEEFThe iue o" big !eru %a'' go!ern%ent i a igni"i(ant inthe e'e(tion (a%#aign o" %an) (ountrie 9 an$ ha re(ent') been the ub?e(t o" %an) h)teri(a' #ronoun(e%ent in theUS0 In rea'it) no in(o%ing go!ern%ent $oe that %u(h to(hange the o!era'' iNe o" go!ern%ent a there are, in #ra(ti(eon') o %an) a!ing that (an be %a$e or new initiati!e that(an be 'aun(he$ within the (on"ine o" a((e#tab'e 'e!e' o"taation0Thi argu%ent i a #arti(u'ar') intereting one to tu$) in theUS a it i o ri#e "or the #ri(@ing o" i''uion on both i$e o"the #o'iti(a' $i!i$e0E!en arri!ing at a $e"inition o" what i %eant b) -the iNe o"go!ern%ent/ i #rob'e%ati(0 A thi $ebate wi'' "o(u on theUnite$ State, it %a) be worth $ea'ing with a "ew #o#u'ar%i(on(e#tion be"ore the) ta@e ho'$, a'though there i #'ent)o" roo% to wor@ aroun$ thee, a wi'' be $e%ontrate$ in theubtanti!e %ateria' ite'"0

One o" the reaon wh) gi!ing $e"inition to thi $ebate i o$i""i(u't i the 'a(@ o" ('arit) in what i %eant b) go!ern%entUua'') (utting the iNe o" the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent %ean thatthe wor@ 9 an$ e#en$iture i ?ut #i(@e$ u# at the tate 'e!e'intea$ an$ !i(e !era0 A thi argu%ent i 'i@e') to be %ot!o(i"erou in re'ation to the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent in the(ontet o" an e'e(tion, the "o(u wi'' be there, but it i a'ight') %eaning'e $itin(tion0 To ta@e two "a%ouea%#'e7i8

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'earn !a'uab'e @i'' o" e'"re'ian(e an$ e'"re#e(t0 B)(ontrat thoe who "a!or go!ern%ent'e$ a(tion ten$ to be'ie!e that o(iet) as a whole hou'$ ta@e re#onibi'it) "or enuring a (ertain >ua'it) o" 'i!ing "or a'' it %e%ber an$ that b) enuring that there i a a"et) net #eo#'e are better ab'e too!er(o%e tranient (rie or o(ia' ine>ua'itie in or$er to be(o%e he'#"u' %e%ber o" o(iet)0The other @e) a#e(t o" the $ebate i the ro'e o" taation ino(iet)0 Thoe in "a!or o" %a'' go!ern%ent ten$ to be'ie!ethat re$u(ing the o!era'' ta bur$en wi'' ti%u'ate thee(ono%) a a who'e, b) #ro%oting enter#rie, in!et%ent an$entre#reneuria'i%0 The) a) that thi, in turn (reate ?ob an$wea'th0 S%a'' go!ern%ent (oner!ati!e genera'') abi$e b)the %antra that in$i!i$ua' @now how to #en$ their %one) better than the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent $oe0Thoe ao(iate$ with a Big Go!ern%ent a##roa(h ten$ to"a!or the ue o" ta a a re$itributi!e )te% arguing that b)ta@ing a %a'' a%ount "ro% thoe who (an a""or$ it ua'or, the #o#u'ation (an rea$, (ri%e i (ontro''e$, thee'$er') $on/t "reeNe to $eath an$ a %i''ion other %ar@er o" a(i!i'iNe$ o(iet)0Thi i #arti(u'ar') true o" (hi'$ren but %ot #eo#'e nee$ ahe'#ing han$ at one ti%e or another in 'i"e0 Howe!er, theob(enit) o" (hi'$ren $etine$ to "ai' be"ore their 'i!e ha!ee!en tarte$ (on$e%ne$ to (hoo' that o""er no ho#e an$(o%%unitie that o""er no a"et) wou'$ be $iturbingan)where in the wor'$0

In a nation that #ri$e ite'" a ha!ing the highet tan$ar$ o" 'i!ing on the #'anet an$ i un>uetionab') the ri(het an$%ot #ower"u' 'e!e' o" #o!ert) an$ $e#air that are eennowhere e'e in the $e!e'o#e$ wor'$ are i%#') ob(ene0 B)e!er) %eaure, in"ant %orta'it), 'i"e e#e(tan(), e$u(ationa'tan$ar$, (hi'$ #o!ert), #er(entage o" in(ar(erate$ a$u't,ho%i(i$e #er thouan$ $eath an$ %an) %ore, A%eri(a 'ag(oni$erab') behin$ 5a#an, Cana$a, 4etern Euro#e, Autra'iaan$ the ret o" the $e!e'o#e$ wor'$7i80A'' o" the in$i(ator %entione$ abo!e ha!e been a$!ere')a""e(t $uring the thirt) )ear obeion with #uhing thego!ern%ent ba(@ in the na%e o" han$ing un"ettere$ (ontro'o!er to big buine an$ the !i(iitu$e o" the %ar@et0

A%eri(an #a) 'ower tae than 4etern Euro#e an$ get, a areu't, a %u(h wore return on their %one)7ii807i8 .ewwee@ Intera(ti!e Gra#hi( o" the 4or'$/ BeCountrie0 Hote$ on the Dai') Beat an$ e'ewhere07ii8 5e""re) Sa(h0 QThe Cae "or Bigger Go!ern%ent0Q Ti%e5anuar) th, 2+

COU.TER6OI.T .o (ountr) (an #a) it bi'' or in(reae the #ro#erit) o" it(itiNen i" it i wating %one) on unne(ear) #rogra%%eThe #rin(i#'e #rob'e% with go!ern%ent "un$ing i that it inot a$$reing an) o" the #rob'e% that 6ro#oition raie0 In%an) (ountrie, The i$eo'og) o" tate inter!ention i ha %a$ego!ern%ent e!er 'arger, bui'$ing e!er %ore e(ei!e an$ b'oate$ bureau(rati( e%#ire with "ie"$o% an$ ine(ure "ore!er) bu)bo$) an$ a##arat(hi@ %ore interete$ in %onitoring(hange than %a@ing it, an$ %ore (on(erne$ with #ro(e than #eo#'e0It i not un(o%%on 9 in$ee$ it i not e!en unuua' "or #ri!ate e(tor organiation to he$ ten #er(ent o" theirwor@"or(e when the ?u$ge the%e'!e to ha!e be(o%e

un(o%#etiti!e, un#ro"itab'e or a$%initrati!e') unwie'$)Both the go!ern%ent o" Fran(e an$ Cana$a ha!e $one that inre(ent )ear an$ )et %aintain high tan$ar$ o" go!ern%entu##ort7i80For a!erage #ub'i( e(tor wage to be out tri##ing thoe o"the #ri!ate e(tor uire$ the a(tion o" go!ern%ent0 Man)o" thee ha!e been a(hie!e$ $e#ite, rather than be(aue o",

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the interet o" buine0 Criti(a'') the) ha!e ten$e$ to be tothe bene"it o" the wea@, the !u'nerab'e an$ the neg'e(te$0Go!ern%ent ha!e been re#onib'e "or o(ia' re"or% ranging"ro% the abo'ition o" 'a!er) an$ (hi'$ 'abor to the re%o!a' o" (on$ition in "a(torie an$ on "ar% that 'ea$ to in?ur) an$$eath, in a$$ition to %ini%u% wage regu'ation that %eantthat "a%i'ie (ou'$ "ee$ the%e'!e0 B) (ontrat, the %ar@etwa >uite ha##) with (hea# (otton own b) ni%b'e )oung"inger0In turn #ro"it wa gi!en #re"eren(e o!er an) notion o" ?obe(urit) or the right to a "a%i') 'i"e, the %ar@et wa >uiteha##) to ee water #oione$ an$ the air #o''ute$ 9 an$ in%an) (ae i ti'' ha##) with it0 The 'ogi( o" the %ar@et #an$er to 'a!e'abor wage to %igrant wor@er or e#orting ?ob where %igrant are not a!ai'ab'e0 Either wa) it (ot the ?ob o" A%eri(an (itiNen, #an$ering to ra(i% an$i%#o!erihing wor@er at ho%e an$ abroa$0 A'though the #ro#het o" the %ar@et ugget that the on') thing tan$ing between the a!erage A%eri(an an$ a uburban ho%e with a #oo', JJ an$ an o!er"'owing (o''ege"un$ i the go!ern%ent,the rea'it) (ou'$ not be "urther "ro% the truth0The i%#'e rea'it) o" the %ar@et i thi the #ro"it %oti!e that$ri!e the )te% i the $i""eren(e between the #ri(e o" 'abor,

#'ant an$ %ateria' on one han$ an$ the #ri(e that (an be(harge$ on the other0 It %a@e ene to "in$ the wor@er who$e%an$ the 'owet wage, u##'ier who (an #ro!i$e the(hea#et %ateria' an$ (o%%unitie $e#erate enough to e''their air, water an$ "a%i') ti%e0 4hether thoe are at ho%e or abroa$0 The %ar@et, b) it nature ha no (o%#aion, no #atrioti% an$ no 'o)a't)0The on') organiNation that (an a(t a a retraint on that i, inthe "ina' re(@oning, go!ern%ent whi(h ha 'egi'ati!e #ower to enure that tan$ar$ are %aintaine$0 It i ea) to #oint toin$i!i$ua' a(t that ha!e been bene"i(ia' but the rea'it) i thatthe untra%%e'e$ %ar@et without go!ern%ent o!eright haha$ a $e#reing ten$en() to (hae the eaiet bu(@, $it(h the

wea@et, e#'oit where it (an, #o''ute at wi'', (orru#t wherene(ear) an$ ben$, brea@ or ignore the ru'e0It re>uire go!ern%ent a the agent o" what the #eo#'e(oni$er a((e#tab'e to (ontrain the #ro"it %oti!e0

COU.TER6OI.TThere i the wor'$ o" $i""eren(e between etab'ihing bai(right an$ inter"ering in %atter that are bet agree$ at a(o%%unit) or tate 'e!e'0 That i the reaon wh) the tate(o''e(ti!e') agree to (ontitutiona' a%en$%ent that (an be(oni$ere$ to a""e(t a'' (itiNen0Howe!er, $i""erent (o%%unitie regu'ate the%e'!e in

$i""erent wa) $e#en$ing on both #ra(ti(a' nee$ an$ the #rin(i#'e the) (oni$er to be i%#ortant0 Ha!ing the o#iniono" (it)$we''er, who ha!e ne!er got ('oer to rura' 'i"e than anineteenth 'an$(a#e in a ga''er) intru(t "ar%ing (o%%unitiethat the) (annot wor@ the 'an$ to a!e a rare "rog i abur$0Tr)ing to etab'ih #o'i(ie u(h a a %ini%u% wage or the$etai' o" en!iron%enta' #rote(tion at a "e$era' 'e!e' i%#')%a@e no ene, a the i%#'i(ation o" thee thing !ar) wi'$') between $i""erent area o" the (ountr)0E>ua'') 'o(a' attitu$e towar$ iue u(h a re'igion,%arriage, eua'it), #ornogra#h) an$ other iue o" #erona'(on(ien(e $i""er between (o%%unitie an$ the "e$era'go!ern%ent ha no %ore buine banning #ra)er in Tenneee

than it wou'$ ha!e %an$ating it in .ew or@0 Thee are%atter "or the tate an$ o%eti%e "or in$i!i$ua(o%%unitie0The nation wa "oun$e$ on the #rin(i#'e that in$i!i$ua' tatehou'$ agree, where #oib'e, on %atter o" great i%#ort butare otherwie "ree to go their e#arate wa)0In a$$ition to whi(h, #reten$ing that the han$ o" #o'iti(ianan$ bureau(rat are "ree o" b'oo$ in an) o" thee %atter ii%#') untrue 9 %ore than untrue, it i abur$0I" the %ar@et are $ri!en b) #ro"it a gro genera'iation then #o'iti( i $ri!en b) the hunger "or #ower an$ the(a%#aign "un$ that $e'i!er it0 Buine at 'eat ha the goo$gra(e to earn, an$ ri@, it own %one) wherea go!ern%ent"ee' "ree to ue other #eo#'e "or whate!er i 'i@e') to bu) the%ot !ote0 Li@ewie buine %a@e it %one) b) #ro!i$ing #ro$u(t an$ er!i(e that #eo#'e nee$ or want0 Go!ern%ent b) (ontrat, ue other #eo#'e/ %one) to en"or(e $e(iionregar$'e o" whether the) are wante$ or nee$e$ b) an)one0U'ti%ate') it i the initiati!e an$ in$utr) o" wor@ingA%eri(an that ha #ro!i$e$ the "un$ "or the great waragaint o##reion a we'' a the ingenuit) to o'!een!iron%enta' an$ other te(hni(a' o'ution to the #rob'e%"a(e$ b) hu%an@in$0

6har%a(euti(a' (o%#anie #ro$u(e %e$i(ine 9 not theDHHS1 engineering (o%#anie #ro$u(e ('ean energ) o'ution 9 not the E6A1 "ar%er #ut "oo$ on "a%i'ie/ tab'e 9 not theDe#art%ent o" Agri(u'ture0

Big government can provide the stimulus the economy

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6OI.TGo!ern%ent e#en$iture i the ing'e bigget too' in ti%e o"e(ono%i( $i""i(u't)0 Thoe that are the >ui(@et to (o%#'ainabout taation an$ regu'ation $uring the goo$ ti%e are a'o

the "atet to ruh "or a bai'out $uring the 'ean ti%eLi@ewie, thoe that (a'' "or ta (ut in a boo% a'o ten$ to bethe "irt to (riti(iNe a $e"i(it or #ub'i( e#en$iture $uring are(eion0There i in a'' o" thi one i%#'e e(ono%i( rea'it) thego!ern%ent a(t a the ban@er o" 'at reort0Thi on') wor@, a &e)ne un$ertoo$, i" the go!ern%entho'$ on to reer!e in the goo$ )ear o that it (an #en$the% in the tough one to ti%u'ate ?ob an$ growth0 On theother han$, where ur#'ue are b'own on ta (ut ore#eni!e war "or that %atter then wi'' be nothing 'e"t in the ban@ an$ go!ern%ent (annot "u'"i'' it %ot ue"u' ro'e o"uing it own "inan(ia' ('out to ba'an(e the e(ono%) o!er the

(oure o" a "inan(ia' ()('e0So(a''e$ %a'' go!ern%ent Coner!ati!e ha!e been(onitent') #ro"'igate in re(ent hitor) an$ ha!e ten$e$ to'ea!e "i(a'') (autiou 'ibera' to #i(@ u# the #ie(e0 The #art)o" %a'' go!ern%ent ne!er ee% to "in$ ite'" hort o" bi''iono" $o''ar "or e#eni!e white e'e#hant 'i@e the SDI %ii'ehie'$ or aerting A%eri(an %i'itar) #ower o!erea in #uruit o" )et another $oo%e$ (aue 9 whether that/ #ro##ing u# Latin A%eri(an $i(tator or ett'ing "a%i'iagru$ge %at(he in the Mi$$'e Eat0The %i'itar) a$!enturi% o" the Reagan #rei$en() a we'' athoe o" both Buh enior an$ ?unior were (on$u(te$ not ?utat the (ot o" $o%eti( o(ia' tabi'it), but a'o "i(a' e(urit)0


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Intea$ o" #reer!ing a bu$get ur#'u "ro% the C'inton #rei$en(), the Buh a$%initration #ent it re(@'e') 9 not,a i wi$e') $e('are$, on the 4ar Againt Terror 9 on ta (ut"or the wea'thiet in o(iet)0 A a reu't Buh, hi (abinet an$hi ba(@er robbe$ the (ountr) o" the #oibi'it) o" reer!ewhen the e(ono%) wa in a 'e #oiti!e ituation0A "ar a the 4ar On Terror i (on(erne$, the tota' (ot o" twointernationa' war, *02tn, tan$ in tar@ (ontrat to there'ati!e') (hea# #o'i(et)'e o#eration that a(tua'') (aughtOa%a Bin La$en0 It i a'o worth noting that o" that huge u%an entire 2:, a((or$ing to the Congreiona' Reear(her!i(e, ha been #ent ho%e'an$ e(urit) 9 antiterror ur!ei''an(e an$ en"or(e%ent within the USA/ bor$er7i80So (a''e$ -Big Go!ern%ent/, withho'$ing ur#'ue "or a rain)$a), #ro!i$e "inan(ia' e(urit) "or A%eri(an buinee an$wor@er0 So(a''e$ -%a''go!ern%ent/ #rei$ent #en$tri''ion o" $o''ar on "ree %one) to the u#erri(h an$ on%i'itar) a$!enturi% in other (ountrie an$, a##arent'), in#a(e0

7i8 A%) Be'a(o0 The Cot o" Ira>, A"ghanitan, an$ Other G'oba' 4ar on Terror O#eration Sin(e +**0 Congreiona'Reear(h Ser!i(e0 Mar(h 2+ 2**0

COU.TER6OI.TThe #ri%ar) $i""i(u't) with go!ern%ent retaining ur#'ue ithat the go!ern%ent ha no #ro#rietar) right to the "un$ in it(o""er0 The ta#a)er e""e(ti!e') ubi$iNe the go!ern%ent,on the un$ertan$ing that it wi'' un$erta@e "un(tion ne(ear)"or the $e"en(e, (ontinue$ o#eration an$ nor%ati!ei%#ro!e%ent o" the tate an$ o(iet)0C'ear') $e"ene ha to be one o" the (ore "un(tion o" go!ern%ent an$ there are a "ew other, u(h a %aintaining'aw an$ or$er0 For go!ern%ent to a) that the on') wa) o"

e(uring it own "inan(e i running a %a'' ur#'u in it(urrent a((ount bu$get i #a'#ab') not true when there iatonihing wate in go!ern%ent e#en$iture, whi(h i in turna'rea$) b'oate$ an$ inter!ene into area o" #ub'i( 'i"e whereit i%#') $oe not be'ong0In ter% o" uing go!ern%ent e#en$iture a a too' to re#on$to re(eion, there %a) we'' be a ro'e in ter% o" howgo!ern%ent ue it own #ur(haing #ower an$ it %a@e enethat hou'$ be ue$ "or $o%eti( #ur(haing where!er #oib'e, howe!er there i 'itt'e to be gaine$ b) go!ern%ent(reating i%aginar) ?ob un$erta@ing ro'e that i%#') $on/t #ro$u(e an)thing0Intea$ the %ot ue"u' ro'e that go!ern%ent (an #'a) $uring a

re(eion i not e#an$ing it own iNe an$, there"ore, the "ina'(ot to the ta#a)er, but re$u(ing it0 Cutting the iNe o" go!ern%ent re$u(e the ta bur$en on buine an$in$i!i$ua' an$ (ut ba(@ on regu'ator) #reure0 Both a(tion"ree u# %one) "or e#en$iture whi(h (reate rea' ?ob in therea' e(ono%), #ro$u(ing rea' wea'th, in turn #ent on rea' #ro$u(t, whi(h in turn (reate ?ob0 Thi bene"i(ia' ()('e i the bai o" e(ono%i(, (reating i%aginar) ?ob i%#') ta@e @i''out o" the rea' e(ono%) an$ re$u(e the #reure onin$i!i$ua' to ta@e ?ob that the) %ight not ee a i$ea'0The %ot enib'e re#one to a go!ern%ent ur#'u i not tohoar$ it on the bai that it %ight (o%e in ue"u' at o%eun$e"ine$ #oint in the "uture but to gi!e it ba(@ to the #eo#'e

who earne$ it in the "irt #'a(e0 Doing o %ean that it i #entin the rea' e(ono%), (reating rea' wea'th an$ rea' ?ob an$thereb) a!oi$ing the #ro#e(t o" re(eion in the "irt #'a(e0U'ti%ate') it (o%e $own to a i%#'e $i!i$e a to whether )ou be'ie!e go!ern%ent or #eo#'e are better at #en$ing %one)The e!i$en(e o" wate an$ in(o%#eten(e in go!ern%ene#en$iture i (o%#e''ing an$ it ee% an abur$ o'ution togo!ern%ent %i%anaging the %one) the) a'rea$) ha!e togi!e the% %ore0

THIS HOUSE 6REFERS ITS GOVER.ME.T BIG A.DBEEFThe iue o" big !eru %a'' go!ern%ent i a igni"i(ant inthe e'e(tion (a%#aign o" %an) (ountrie 9 an$ ha re(ent') been the ub?e(t o" %an) h)teri(a' #ronoun(e%ent in theUS0 In rea'it) no in(o%ing go!ern%ent $oe that %u(h to(hange the o!era'' iNe o" go!ern%ent a there are, in #ra(ti(eon') o %an) a!ing that (an be %a$e or new initiati!e that(an be 'aun(he$ within the (on"ine o" a((e#tab'e 'e!e' o"taation0Thi argu%ent i a #arti(u'ar') intereting one to tu$) in theUS a it i o ri#e "or the #ri(@ing o" i''uion on both i$e o"

the #o'iti(a' $i!i$e0E!en arri!ing at a $e"inition o" what i %eant b) -the iNe o"go!ern%ent/ i #rob'e%ati(0 A thi $ebate wi'' "o(u on theUnite$ State, it %a) be worth $ea'ing with a "ew #o#u'ar%i(on(e#tion be"ore the) ta@e ho'$, a'though there i #'ent)o" roo% to wor@ aroun$ thee, a wi'' be $e%ontrate$ in theubtanti!e %ateria' ite'"0One o" the reaon wh) gi!ing $e"inition to thi $ebate i o$i""i(u't i the 'a(@ o" ('arit) in what i %eant b) go!ern%entUua'') (utting the iNe o" the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent %ean thatthe wor@ 9 an$ e#en$iture i ?ut #i(@e$ u# at the tate 'e!e'intea$ an$ !i(e !era0 A thi argu%ent i 'i@e') to be %ot!o(i"erou in re'ation to the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent in the

(ontet o" an e'e(tion, the "o(u wi'' be there, but it i a'ight') %eaning'e $itin(tion0 To ta@e two "a%ouea%#'e7i8

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#o'iti(a' ituation1 it rea'') a) an)thing ur#riing about #o'iti( but i a goo$ reaon to $oub'e (he(@ the "a(t re'ie$ on b) #arti(i#ant in a $ebate0Eentia'') the #hi'oo#hi(a' $i""eren(e are thee thoe in"a!or o" %a'' go!ern%ent be'ie!e that in$i!i$ua', their "a%i'ie an$ (o%%unitie are better #'a(e$ than the tate tohe'# the%e'!e an$ thoe aroun$0 B) $oing o, in$i!i$ua''earn !a'uab'e @i'' o" e'"re'ian(e an$ e'"re#e(t0 B)(ontrat thoe who "a!or go!ern%ent'e$ a(tion ten$ to be'ie!e that o(iet) as a whole hou'$ ta@e re#onibi'it) "or enuring a (ertain >ua'it) o" 'i!ing "or a'' it %e%ber an$ that b) enuring that there i a a"et) net #eo#'e are better ab'e too!er(o%e tranient (rie or o(ia' ine>ua'itie in or$er to be(o%e he'#"u' %e%ber o" o(iet)0The other @e) a#e(t o" the $ebate i the ro'e o" taation ino(iet)0 Thoe in "a!or o" %a'' go!ern%ent ten$ to be'ie!ethat re$u(ing the o!era'' ta bur$en wi'' ti%u'ate thee(ono%) a a who'e, b) #ro%oting enter#rie, in!et%ent an$entre#reneuria'i%0 The) a) that thi, in turn (reate ?ob an$wea'th0 S%a'' go!ern%ent (oner!ati!e genera'') abi$e b)the %antra that in$i!i$ua' @now how to #en$ their %one) better than the Fe$era' Go!ern%ent $oe0Thoe ao(iate$ with a Big Go!ern%ent a##roa(h ten$ to

"a!or the ue o" ta a a re$itributi!e )te% arguing that b)ta@ing a %a'' a%ount "ro% thoe who (an a""or$ it uetion o" whether that/ the bet wa) o" #en$ingit0 It i ('ear that %one) (ou'$ be #ent in other wa) an$ o i"thi i the (hoi(e there i an o##ortunit) (ot in that $e(iiona there i in an) other0There i (o%#e''ing e!i$en(e that re$u(ing the go!ern%ent/

ta@e o" tota' GD6 ti%u'ate the e(ono%) through "reeing u#"un$ to (reate ?ob e#e(ia'') in %anu"a(turing0There i (o%#e''ing e!i$en(e7i8 that re$u(ing the ta bur$enan$ un'eahing the $)na%i% o" the %ar@et b) (uttingregu'ation ha a "ar greater e""e(t than go!ern%ent %aagingune%#'o)%ent "igure b) e#an$ing it own e%#'o)%en bae0 In$ee$ it a'o a##ear to be the (ae that the re'ati!e')high 'e!e' o" go!ern%ent a'arie in "a(t ?ut #ut greater #reure on e%#'o)er in the #ri!ate e(tor to (o%#ete thereu'ting wage in"'ation ha a $a%#ening e""e(t on thee(ono%) a a who'e at a ti%e when it (an 'eat a""or$ it0It/ "urther worth noting that ?ob (reate$ $uring a re(eionten$ to %or#h into #er%anent #oition thereb) bui'$ing in an

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e!er(ontinuing e#anion in the iNe o" the tate un'e it i #erio$i(a'') an$ $e'iberate') (u''e$0Con!ere') the in!et%ent $ire(t') into the #ri!ate e(tor (reate wea'th #ro$u(ing ?ob that are #ai$ at a 'e!e' that iutainab'e an$ i re#oni!e to the hea'th o" the wi$er e(ono%)07i8 A'eina, Ar$agna, 6erotti, S(hiantare''i0 Fi(a' 6o'i(),6ro"it an$ In!et%ent0 .ationa' Bureau o" E(ono%i(Reear(h0 *+++

COU.TER6OI.T4ere the theor) #ut "orwar$ true, an$ that i $ebatab'e, itwou'$ re>uire ta (ut to bene"it the 'owet #ai$ in$i!i$ua'an$ the %a''et (o%#anie0 Howe!er the #o'iti(a' rea'it) ithat it ne!er $oe0 6oor #eo#'e an$ %a'' (o%#anie $o in$ee$#en$ %one) whi(h ha a ti%u'ating e""e(t on the e(ono%), but #en$ing on') ti%u'ate the e(ono%) i" it i #ent in theright wa)0 It i not #oib'e to guarantee that the "un$ that"'ow into a tate/ e(ono%) a a reu't o" ta (ut wi'' bene"itthat e(ono%) e('ui!e')0 Mot "or% o" goo$ an$ (o%%o$it)now eit within a g'oba' %ar@et1 %anu"a(turing an$

#ro$u(tion ha!e be(o%e (on(entrate$ within tate u(h aChina0 Ue"u' an$ #ro$u(ti!e buine a(ti!it) wi'' a'wa)re>uire that a #ro#ortion o" a buine/ "un$ be #ento!erea0The a$!antage o" go!ern%ent "un$ing i that it (an be $ire(te$into the wea@et area o" the $o%eti( e(ono%), with a $egreeo" $)na%i% an$ (ontro' that the %ar@et wi'' ne!er be ab'e toa(hie!e0 Howe!er, re(ent hitor) ha uggete$ that ta (utha!e ten$e$ to be $ire(te$ to the wea'th) an$ to 'arge(or#oration who are un$er no ob'igation to #en$ or in!eteither $o%eti(a'') or i%%e$iate')0There i 'itt'e bene"it to an) e(ono%) in a''owing wea'th)in$i!i$ua' an$ organiNation to "urther e#an$ tagnant wea'th

or to in!et in high en$ #ro$u(t bought internationa'')0There i a'o a %atter o" (a'e, go!ern%ent ha a (a#a(it) "or borrowing againt it own e(urit) o" wea'th that i i%#') not%at(he$ b) an) #ri!ate in$i!i$ua' or (or#oration0 E>ua'')go!ern%ent i uni>ue') #'a(e$ to un$erta@e in"ratru(tura'in!et%ent u(h a houe bui'$ing #ro?e(t whi(h $ire(t')u##ort e(tor that are otherwie the har$et hit $uring ti%eor e(ono%i( $ownturn0E!en where ta (ut are $ire(te$ or "a'' e!en') a(ro a''in(o%e range there i ti'' no (ontro' o!er the area o" #robab'e e#en$iture an$ are a'o un'i@e') to ti%u'ate e(toru(h a (ontru(tion0Mot i%#ortant') ta (ut ha!e no $ire(t bene"it "or the

une%#'o)e$ whi(h, o" (oure, the (reation o" ?ob b)go!ern%ent ite'" $oe0

.,cessive regulation on the private sector puts burdens on

free enterprise both in terms of administration and cost"

By doing so it reduces consumer choice and acts as a drag

on innovation and growth

6OI.TGo!ern%ent regu'ation au%e not on') irre#onib'e(o%#anie but a'o tu#i$ (onu%er0 A'though, rea'iti(a''),!er) 'itt'e regu'ation ha an) $ire(t i%#a(t on the (onu%er but ten$ to in!o'!e ti%e(onu%ing #a#erwor@ $e%ontrating

(o%#'ian(e o that o%e (i!i' er!ant (an ti(@ a bo to #ro!ethat o%ething that wa a'rea$) being $one (an be hown toha!e been be $one0The e""e(t o" thi ten$ to "a'' har$et on %a''er buineethat $on/t ha!e 'arge "inan(ia' or 'ega' $e#art%ent0 A a reu'tit not on') ta@e u# !a'uab'e ti%e that (ou'$ be #en$e!e'o#ing the buine ite'" but %ore i%#ortant') a(t to$i(ourage #eo#'e "ro% tarting in the "irt #'a(e0 Thi i #arti(u'ar') o when it/ (oni$ere$ that %an) #eo#'e whotart u# a new (o%#an) $o o a"ter %an) )ear o" wor@ing "oro%eone e'e within the a%e e(tor0 A a reu't the) ee the #reure that nee$'e an$ ti%e(onu%ing regu'ation #utu#on that (o%#an)0

COU.TER6OI.TThi again i a %)th routine') #ut "orwar$ b) the rightGo!ern%ent a'rea$) $itinguih between regu'ation thathou'$ a##') to a'' (o%#anie an$ thoe, %ore onerou onethat a##') to 'arger (o%#anie on')0 There are (ertaintan$ar$ in ter% o" hea'th an$ a"et) o" "oo$tu"", #ro$u(tan$ o "orth0 Howe!er, there i ('ear') a $i""erent ro'e when it(o%e to regu'ating 'arger (o%#anie u(h a ban@, inuran(e

(o%#anie an$ %a?or e%#'o)er0There are #arti(u'ar e(tor that re>uire %ore regu'ation thanother but the bu'@ o" regu'ation i there to #rote(t both ta""an$ (uto%er an$ it i #art o" the rea'it) o" $oing buine0The i$ea that regu'ation har% %a'' buine i i%#') abur$a the) bene"it "ro% the regu'ation o" 'arger buinee who%a) be either their u##'ier or (uto%er are a'o regu'ate$0E>ua'') tartu# (o%#anie bene"it "ro% the "a(t tharegu'ation e!en u# the #'a)ing "ie'$ with %ore etab'ihe$(o%#etitor0 I" nobo$) i a''owe$ to (ut (orner or #er"or%other %i'$') (ri%ina' a(t it i ('ear') an a$!antage to the newtarter0

THIS HOUSE BELIEVES THAT BRIBER ISSOMETIMES ACCE6TABLECorru#tion i o#erationa'') $e"ine$ a the %iue o" entrute$ #ower "or #ri!ate gain0 Fa(i'itation #a)%ent, where a bribe i #ai$ to re(ei!e #re"erentia' treat%ent "or o%ething that there(ei!er i re>uire$ to $o b) 'aw


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Bribery is morally wrong

6OI.TCorru#tion i the %iue o" #ower "or "inan(ia' gain0 It ta@ethe (ore har% "ro% une>ua' $itribution o" wea'th an$ thereu'ting $i#arit) in a!ai'abi'it) o" goo$ an$ er!i(e an$%agni"ie it b) in('u$ing a((e to ?ut an$ no%ina'') #ub'i(er!i(e0 It %ut a'wa) $i#ro#ortionate') har% the 'eatwe'' o"" in o(iet) either b) $en)ing the% what i their b)right or b) "or(ing the% into "inan(ia' har$hi# to obtain it0

COU.TER6OI.T

Corru#tion i not a'wa) wrong 9 it (an o%eti%e be area(tion to greater in?uti(e0 For ea%#'e, the Ma"ia aroe in*+th Centur) Southern Ita') a a %e$iating intitution "or an-in grou#/ "a(ing auto(rati( t)rann)0 Outi$er are treate$ ba$'), but then %ot grou# o" #eo#'e that we 'abe' a'egiti%ate a'o treat outi$er $i""erent') to their %e%ber0

/ariation in standards leads to a ‘race to the bottom! of

corruptibility

6OI.TInternationa' tan$ar$ on #roe(ution o" (o%#anie who bribe"oreign o""i(ia' %a) en(ourage #oiti!e (hange in nationa''egi'ation a we'', thu e'i%inating 'ega' "'aw to (o%bat(orru#tion0 Di""erent nationa' ru'e an$ tan$ar$ "or (o%bating (orru#tion are not u""i(ient in the era o" g'oba'in!et%ent an$ internationa' buine trana(tion0 Variation between nationa' tan$ar$ enab'e (orru#tion to #rea$0 In%u(h the a%e wa) a (o%#anie an$ ri(h in$i!i$ua' %a@eue o" ta ha!en an$ #'a(e where tae are 'ower an$ 'eregu'ate$, a'' but two o" the U&/ FTSE * o" to# (o%#anieare et u# in ta ha!en,7*8 (o%#anie wihing to hi$e i''i(ittrana(tion %a) atte%#t to ta@e a$!antage o" wea@er tan$ar$, where!er the) are "oun$0 In In$ia nationa' 'awha!e ('ear') not wor@e$ with re'ation to #o'iti(a' #artie aon') one o" J3 #artie ha #ro!i$e$ in"or%ation in re#one tothe Right to In"or%ation a(t0728 That i wh) internationa'

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COU.TER6OI.TThe briber) o" "oreign o""i(ia' (annot be "ought b)internationa' %ean e""i(ient') i" the 'e!e' o" (orru#tion at thenationa' 'e!e' i high0 It $e#en$ on the #o'iti(a' wi'' o"nationa' go!ern%ent, the a(ti!itie o" (i!i' o(iet) an$ othero(ia' (on$ition that eit ini$e the tate0 Thi e#'ain wh)in %an) (ountrie there ha been 'itt'e en"or(e%ent o" theOECD Con!ention on Co%bating Briber) o" Foreign 6ub'i(O""i(ia'07*8 In %ot OECD (ountrie the #o'iti(a' wi'' to #roe(ute %a?or briber) (ae i 'a(@ing0 Thi e#'ain wh)internationa' e""ort to (o%bat (orru#tion are ine""i(ient07*8 Tran#aren() Internationa', -2 6rogre Re#ort onEn"or(e%ent o" the OECD Con!ention on Co%bating Briber)o" Foreign 6ub'i( O""i(ia' in Internationa' BuineTrana(tion/, 22 5une2,htt#www0tran#aren()0orgnewroo%in"o(u2Jthoe($#rogrere#ort

The demand for bribes would end if companies stopped

supplying them

6OI.TThe ri@ o" (orru#tion $e%an$ greater tran#aren() "ro% buine0 Co%#anie ha!e a big i%#a(t on the o(iaen!iron%ent an$ the) ha!e a re#onibi'it) to a$$re it0 Coo#erati!e a(tion between the buine e(tor an$ tateintitution are eentia' "or e""e(ti!e anti(orru#tion #o'i()0Co%#anie that gain a re#utation "or re#orting o""i(ia' a@ing"or bribe wi'' "in$ that o""i(ia' to# a@ing "or the%0 In turnthe) nee$ a 'egi'ati!e en!iron%ent that #rote(t theirinteret0 The OECD Con!ention on Co%bating Briber) o"Foreign 6ub'i( O""i(ia' i an i%#ortant te# "orwar$ in thi#here07*8

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COU.TER6OI.TForeign (o%#anie i%#') a$a#t to the #o'iti(a' an$ e(ono%i((on$ition that eit in $i""erent (ountrie0 ou (annot b'a%ethe% "or high 'e!e' o" (orru#tion, whi(h i the inner #rob'e%o" the tate0 In!o'!e%ent o" buine re#reentati!e in anti

(orru#tion a(tion %a) (ontra$i(t their interet b) #ro!i$inga((e to (o%%er(ia'') eniti!e in"or%ation0 I" briber) wa banne$, (o%#anie wou'$ be unab'e to o#erate, reu'ting in'e in!et%ent an$ o 'e $e!e'o#%ent in o%e (ountrie0

6OI.T6eo#'e are o"ten %a$e to gi!e bribe to o""i(ia' be(aue o"un"a!ourab'e e(ono%i(, o(ia' or bureau(rati( (on$itionO""i(ia' %a) re"ue to er!e ('ient un'e the) are #ai$0 Forea%#'e in De'hi #o'i(e o""i(er regu'ar') ta@e 'un(h without #a)ing an$ %ore enior o""i(er ta@e *, ea(h %onth toa''ow the retaurant to ta) o#en 'ate0 7*8 In thoe (ountriewhere tate intitution are etre%e') (orru#te$, re"ua' to

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gi!e a bribe %a) (ot "inan(ia' 'oe "or buinere#reentati!e or e!en hea'th an$ 'ibert) "or (itiNen whonee$ %e$i(a' er!i(e an$ a((e to ?uti(e07*8 Bur@e, 5aon, -Corru#tion in In$ia -A'' )our 'i"e )ou #a)"or thing that hou'$ be "ree/, guar$ian0(o0u@, *+ Augut2**,htt#www0guar$ian0(o0u@wor'$2**aug*+(orru#tionin$iaannahaNare

COU.TER6OI.TThe #oition o" (i!i' o(iet) #'a) a @e) ro'e in re$u(ing(orru#tion0 It a(tion in ta@ing a %ora' tan$ againt (orru#te$o""i(ia' i an i%#ortant #re(on$ition "or e""e(ti!eanti(orru#tion #o'i()0 Hen(e, (itiNen who #ut u# with thene(eit) to gi!e a bribe be(o%e a #art o" the #rob'e%0 It inot ?ut the (ae o" #ub'i( o""i(ia' abuing their #oition, buto" #eo#'e who are te%#te$ to (hooe the eaiet wa) out0Re(ent $e!e'o#%ent in In$ia how how >ui(@') e#e(tation(an (hange on(e #eo#'e begin to %a@e a tan$0 Anna HaNarewent on a hunger tri@e (reating a %a %o!e%ent againt briber)0 .ow there are webite u(h a i#ai$abribe0(o% #o##ing u# to hine a #ot'ight on (orru#tion07*8 The (hange

i the "irt te# in the "ight againt (orru#tion07*8 Ca%#ion, Mu@ti 5ain, -Briber) in In$ia A webite "or whit'eb'ower/, BBC News, 5une2**, htt#www0bb(0(o0u@newwor'$outhaia***2

Bribery is sometimes necessary for survival

6OI.TQSur!i!a'Q (orru#tion, #ra(tie$ b) #ub'i( er!ant, i uua'')the reu't o" %a'' a'arie, #erha# in high') in"'ationar)e(ono%ie, whi(h $o not a''ow the% to %a@e a 'i!ing0 Su(h awith the ?unior #o'i(e o""i(er %entione$ in the #re!iou #oint0

4ithout briber), #ub'i( a$%initration wou'$ (o''a#ea'together a no one wou'$ ha!e an) in(enti!e to get an)thing$one0 Thu the 'e!e' o" (orru#tion i $eter%ine$ b) the #oor e(ono%i( ituation o" the (ountr) a we'' a b) the #o'i() o" the go!ern%ent0

COU.TER6OI.TCorru#tion in an) "or% (reate ine""i(ien() an$ -$rag/ on thee(ono%) 9 it i an uno""i(ia' "or% o" trana(tion ta an$ hathe a%e e""e(t on the e(ono%)0The #ro#oition "o(ue on the -een/ $etri%ent to #ub'i(er!ant o" 'oing in(o%e "ro% briber) but ignore the

-uneen/ bene"it o" en$ing briber) whi(h i that the (ot o" 'i!ing natura'') "a'' with the (ot o" $oing buine0

Bribery is sometimes the cost of doing business

6OI.TBriber) i o"ten ine!itab'e "or "oreign (o%#anie that in!et inthoe (ountrie, where (orru#tion i wi$e#rea$ an$ the(on$ition "or buine $e!e'o#%ent are un"a!ourab'e0 InRuia I&EA, the Swe$ih "urniture (o%#an), wa a@e$ to #a) bribe to get e'e(tri(it) "or it tore an$ re"ue$ hiringgenerator intea$, howe!er the generator the%e'!e ha$their #ri(e in"'ate$, a a reu't I&EA u#en$e$ in!et%ent in

Ruia07*8 It i''utrate that bribe gi!ing i ?ut a reu't o" #o'iti(a' )te% with wea@ $e%o(rati( tra$ition0 That i wh)%an) (o%#anie "ro% $e!e'o#e$ (ountrie, where (orru#tion'e!e' are 'ow, ten$ to #ra(tie briber) in the $e!e'o#ingwor'$07*8 &ra%er, An$rew E0, -I@ea Trie to Bui'$ 6ub'i( CaeAgaint Ruian Corru#tion/, The New %ork Times, **Se#te%ber 2+,htt#www0n)ti%e0(o%2++*2buineg'oba'*2i@ea0ht%';rP*

COU.TER6OI.TThe $e!e'o#e$ wor'$ a'o (arrie #art o" re#onibi'it) "or theituation in the $e!e'o#ing wor'$ $ue to it ro'e a the bribe #a)er0 A"ter a'', it i 'arge') %u'tinationa' (or#orate interetthat u##') the bribe #a)%ent0 The) $e"rau$ the (itiNen o"$e!e'o#ing (ountrie who get a 'e goo$ $ea' a a reu't, awe'' a the interet o" hareho'$er at ho%e whoe %one) i$i!erte$ into the #o(@et o" "oreign o""i(ia'0 Thi how thene(eit) o" treating the bribing o" "oreign o""i(ia' a a(ri%ina' o""en(e in (o%#anie/ ho%e (ountrie0 It a'o

re>uire the #ub'i(ation o" a'' #a)%ent re'ating to "oreign$ea'0

Bribery is only wrong under a 0estern1centric notion o

corruption

6OI.T .or% an$ !a'ue $i""er between (ountrie0 In %an) nonwetern o(ietie gi"t ta@ing an$ gi!ing in the #ub'i( rea'% i a%atter o" tra$ition an$ (uto%0 Moreo!er, gi"t gi!ing i a #art o" negotiation an$ re'ationhi# bui'$ing in o%e #art o"the wor'$0 It i h)#o(riti(a' "or the wet to target $e!e'o#ing(ountrie "or thi a %an) o(a''e$ $e%o(ra(ie are

ho#e'e') (o%#ro%ie$ b) buine interet through #o'iti(a' "un$ing an$ 'obb)ing0The Unite$ State Foreign Corru#t 6ra(ti(e A(t ban 'arge bribe but a''ow "or the #a)%ent o" %a'' -(uto%ar)/ u%in or$er to eae trana(tion07*87*8 The E(ono%it, -4hen a bribe i %ere') "a(i'itating buine/ 5une**th 2**,htt#www0e(ono%it0(o%b'ogb'ight)2**antibriber)'aw

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In $i""erent (u'ture the 'ine between the a((e#tab'e an$una((e#tab'e are $rawn $i""erent')0 Howe!er, there are 'i%itin a'' o(ietie, be)on$ whi(h an a(tion be(o%e (orru#t an$una((e#tab'e0 The abue o" #ower "or #ri!ate gain an$ thei#honing o"" o" #ub'i( or (o%%on reour(e to #ri!ate #o(@et hou'$ be i''ega' an$ una((e#tab'e in a'' (u'ture an$o(ietie0

THIS HOUSE BELIEVES TERRORISM CA. BE5USTIFIEDIn the wa@e o" the ho(@ing e!ent o" ** Se#te%ber 2*terrori% an$ the war on terror be(a%e the nu%ber one

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iue "or the US go!ern%ent0 But terrori% ha a "ar 'onger,%ore g'oba' hitor)06o'iti(a', re'igiou an$ nationa'ethni( grou# ha!e reorte$ to!io'en(e to #urue their ob?e(ti!e 9 whether "u'' re(ognitiono" their e>ua' (itiNenhi#


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COU.TER6OI.T .ot a'' attention that "o''ow terrori% i #oiti!e0 A"ter the+** atta(@, ai$ wor@er in A"ghanitan were "or(e$ to (ut o"" "oo$ u##'ie in the (ountr), e!en though K to %i''ion(i!i'ian were $e#en$ent on the%07*8The @in$ o" terroritatta(@ that attra(t the %ot attention are the !io'ent one, an$the) are 'i@e') to be %et with rea(tion o" $igut an$ grie"0Thi %ean that the internationa' (o%%unit) i 'e 'i@e') to)%#athiNe with their (aue, whi(h reu't in 'e u##ort07*8 Cho%@), .0


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re#reentati!e, an$ tru(ture u(h a ua'it) o" %ier); 6o!ert)

an$ #o'iti(a' !io'en(e in .orthern Ire'an$0 Retrie!e$ Augut 2**, "ro% 6o'iti(o htt##o'iti(o0ie(rii?a%Ke>ua'it)o"%ier)#o!ert)an$#o'iti(a'!io'en(einnorthernire'an$0ht%'

COU.TER6OI.TIn etre%e (ae, (o%%unitie a'rea$) 'i!e in !er) #oor(on$ition, an$ terrori% (an bring attention to their (aue an$ #ro!i$e an e(a#e o" their ituation0 B) bringing attention tothe #oor (on$ition #eo#'e are 'i!ing in, an$ the o##reion a(o%%unit) i u""ering, )ou #ro!i$e an o##ortunit) "o

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i%#ro!e%ent0 It (an be that their (on$ition (an woren on thehort ter%, but that i ?uti"ie$ i" thi %ean that there i ao'ution to their u""ering on the 'ong ter%0

2orrupt states

6OI.TState or intitution (reate$ in (on(eion to terror are o"ten(orru#t, $o%inate$ b) %en o" !io'en(e with 'in@ to organie$(ri%e0 .othing i a(hie!e$ to i%#ro!e the 'i!e o" the #eo#'ein whoe na%e terror ha been ue$0 Terrorit organiationha!e o"ten a %i'itar) an$ !io'ent (hara(ter0 The ort o" #eo#'ewho attra(te$ to (o%%itting a(t o" terror o"ten g'ori")i''egiti%ate a(t o" !io'en(e an$ ?uti") the #oib'e har% $oneto (i!i'ian b) #ro!ing their (o%#'i(it) or the out(o%e o" thea(tion0 More #re(ie'), the) ha!e on') the interet o" their i$eo'og) or the %inorit) the) are u##orting0 4hen thee #eo#'e are #ut in a #oition o" #ower, the) are 'i@e') to "o''owthe a%e 'ine a be"ore, e#e(ia'') when the) $o not ha!e a #o'iti(a' ba(@groun$0 The) are 'i@e') to be ignorant o" how #o'iti(a' #ro(ee wor@, an$ wi'' a##oint #eo#'e that ha!e thei$eo'og) in other #ower"u' #oition0 Thi wi'' %a@e thewho'e #o'iti(a' )te% ine""i(ient an$ biae$ towar$ a

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A threat to democracy

6OI.Te the .SA i un'i@e') to 'oo@ at in$i!i$ua'/ #erona'in"or%ation i" the #eron in >uetion i nobo$) o" interet )etthere are #eo#'e who %a) be o" interet to the tate who areeentia'') inno(ent o" an)thing e(e#t anno)ing the tate0 Theabi'it) "or a'%ot an)one in the inte''igen(e a##aratu to 'oo@ u# #erona' in"or%ation ha to worr) an)one who %ightotherwie $ient, in!etigate the go!ern%ent, or turnwhit'eb'ower0 Inte''igen(e o""i(ia' (an ho'$ the in"or%ationa a wea#on to enure (o%#'ian(e an$ ruin (areer i" the)$on/t get their wa)07*8 Thi ha ha##ene$ be"ore0 In the USwhen $i#'o%at 5oe#h C0 4i'on #ub'ihe$ about the%ani#u'ation o" inte''igen(e on uraniu% "ro% .iger beingue$ a #art o" the ?uti"i(ation "or the in!aion o" Ira> hiwi"e ha$ her (o!er b'own an$ (areer $etro)e$ b) #eo#'ewithin the De#art%ent o" De"ene07284hen we @now that theOba%a a$%initration ha been %ore $eter%ine$ than e!er to #re!ent 'ea@ an$ #roe(ute #er#etrator (an it rea'') be ai$there i no $a%age to $e%o(ra() i" thee (ourageou #eo#'eare not (o%ing "orwar$;

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COU.TER6OI.TFar "ro% threatening $e%o(ra() the inte''igen(e agen(ie areuing thi in"or%ation to #rote(t $e%o(ra() "ro% terroritwho wih to o!erthrow the who'e (on(e#t o" $e%o(rati(go!ernan(e0 Inte''igen(e agen(ie are ('ear') un$er (i!i'ian(ontro' an$ ha!e e!era' 'a)er o" o!eright to enure that thi@in$ o" %iue $oe not ta@e #'a(e0 In the Unite$ State thi%ean there i o!eright "ro% Congre an$ in the U& "ro%6ar'ia%ent0 There i a'o ?u$i(ia' o!eright in the "or% o" theInter(e#tion o" Co%%uni(ation Co%%iioner an$

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Lack of trust

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The use of meta data causes unintentional harm

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