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ukedchat 20:00
It's 8pm @NightZooKeeper & @EThinking are helping with
#ukedchat this evening. Discussion about #natcur review
http://t.co/mQpl0dCs
ukedchat 20:01
Please remember to include #ukedchat in all your tweets, so they
can all be collected for the archive.
clairegowland 20:02 #ukedchat - xmas hols and I am reading the natcur review!
ethinking 20:02
#ukedchat #natcur well I have to say that I welcome the review and
think its conclusions are sensible
simcloughlin 20:02
RT @ethinking: #ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before
Xmas and what are we doing??? Discussing work
#whatmakesteachersgreat
ethinking 20:02
#ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before Xmas and what
are we doing??? Discussing work #whatmakesteachersgreat
gsussex 20:03
#ukedchat Twitter has certainly given educators quick access to the
documentation and a number of summaries
nightzookeeper 20:03
Will shortening key stages encourage more standardized testing?
#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:03 @reallara Not a realistic aim or sensible advice. #ukedchat
KiDu89 20:03
Oh dear. Chelsea v Spurs I'm afraid will have to take prime
attention spot over #ukedchat tonight. #cmonchels
reallara 20:03
Not moving class on until all have understood... How would that
work? How would it be defined? #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:04
Hi pleased to take part in first #ukedchat. The #natcur interesting
but we do need a NC post 14?
eyebeams 20:04 I think people should crowdsource their own #natcurric #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:04
@simcloughlin @reallara Agreed. Not a sensible approach at all. A
bit like holding children back which I remember years ago
#ukedchat
reallara 20:04
@ethinking It will be interesting to see if the implementation will
be sensible #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:04 @clairegowland that's commitment to teaching! #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:05
@reallara #ukedchat I agree. How would g and t exceed under this
regime? Or those at other end of scale would be rushed.
bevevans22 20:05 @jimpknight Welcome to #ukedchat - hope you enjoy it!
ethinking 20:05
@reallara #ukedchat Levels that aren't levels and parental
consultation?
Marlenebot 20:05
Ooh I'm on Twitter! RT @jodieworld: @ethinking Bon soir DelBoy!
#ukedchat
Marlenebot 20:05
Ooh I'm on Twitter! RT @jodieworld: @ethinking But it's been
making me laugh! Good old DelBoy! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:05
RT @eyebeams: I think people should crowdsource their own
#natcurric #ukedchat - agreed. Great idea all round :)
clairegowland 20:05 @nightzookeeper well I have one eye on the footie. #ukedchat
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simcloughlin 20:05
@nightzookeeper: Will shortening key stages encourage more
standardized testing? #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:08
@gsussex Maybe that is the plan. Maybe inclusion in classrooms as
we know it (and it's not always great now) will be pushed aside
#ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:08
But then I teach 'Yr 9' work at a 'Yr 7' level because that is the level
the students are working. Do years really mean anything?
#ukedchat
reallara 20:08
@simcloughlin @nightzookeeper Although if the concept of levels
for assessment changes then might all look different #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:08
#ukedchat tonight talking about the #natcur review. Guest
appearance @jimpknight Very welcome indeed.
philallman1 20:09
Lifelong learning should mean benchmarks are not lineated by age
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:09
@bevevans22 @gsussex I hope so. Inclusion is no excuse for
teaching to the lowest common denominator. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:09
@jimpknight Fun. If it gets busy you might find it easier to follow
on twitterfall #ukedchat - I suggest it to all newbies...
simcloughlin 20:09
@jimpknight @ethinking Would that devalue the GCSEs that
people already have, then? Nice idea in theory, but practical?
#ukedchat
chrisrat 20:09
Still not convinced about putting ICT in as a basic subject. Where is
the consistency in teaching? #natcur #ukedchat
alecwaters 20:10
@chrisrat I agree - with network meetings a thing of the past this
has become more challenging already! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:10
@oldandrewuk @gsussex Done properly that is not how inclusion
works. Certainly never the case with me - high expectations for all
#ukedchat
i_atkinson 20:10 RT @TeacherToolkit: The 5 minute lesson plan #UKEdChat
simcloughlin 20:10
#ukedchat Here are my (initial) personal thoughts on the review:
http://t.co/zfSZpKWt
gsussex 20:10
#ukedchat I am concerned splitting KS2 into 2 x 2 years may restrict
what is taught when/give less flexibility
peter_lydon 20:10
RT @lauwailap1: RT @TeacherToolkit: The 5 minute lesson plan
#UKEdChat - COol. Thanks for that.
lisibo 20:10
RT @ethinking: #ukedchat #natcur it's 8 o'clock it's two days before
Xmas and what are we doing??? Discussing work
#whatmakesteachersgreat
nightzookeeper 20:10
@reallara @simcloughlin how would you see levels changing? Shall
we move away from leveling children? #ukedchat
alecwaters 20:10
if teaching of 'basic' curriculum subjects was not prescribed would
it cause some teachers to stay in their comfort zone? #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:11
@Teaching_LMP #ukedchat I agree. In SEN actual yrs count for
nothing. We teach the KS they are in at 1 or 2 KS levels below.
Works ok
clairegowland 20:11
@4ICT #ukedchat less reporting for ICT you say! Merry Christmas!
:0)
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Bdunford 20:11
@mattbritland @alecwaters It's almost saying ICT & D&T is not as
important as Art, MFL & Humanities. Upsetting as an ICT teacher.
#ukedchat
reallara 20:11
@alecwaters That should be an issue for individual school
leadership surely? As a leader I would welcome that kind if
flexibility #ukedchat
ethinking 20:11@jimpknight #ukedchat If we abandon gcse it shouldn't be to allowkids to be pushed into narrow career silos -
simcloughlin 20:11
@gsussex Haven't most schools already split KS2 anyway? I've seen
lots of jobs for LKS2 Co-ord or UKS2 Co-ord. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:11
RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at
16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:11
RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at
16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat
philallman1 20:11
@nightzookeeper @reallara @simcloughlin Yes I see this as a
positive IF 'next steps' are used effectively #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:11
RT @simcloughlin: #ukedchat Here are my (initial) personal
thoughts on the review: http://t.co/zfSZpKWt
4ICT 20:11
@alecwaters Did I interpret the #natcurric review correctly, ICT
won't have to report to parents if in Basic curric #talkictglos
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:11
@jimpknight @ethinking Students already struggle due to the
difference between GCSEs and A-level without lowering the bar
further. #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:11
@AndrewPollard7 was also invited along to this #ukedchat #natur
session
alecwaters 20:12
@reallara I would embrace the flexibility as well, but not sure all
will @4ICT #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:12
@bevevans22 @gsussex The point is inclusion doesn't work.
Nobody can teach below level 3 and A* together effectively
#ukedchat
clairegowland 20:12
@Bdunford I think its right to reclassify ICT. I didnt read it as being
less important, more all encompassing! #ukedchat
ethinking 20:12 @gsussex #ukedchat doesn't that reflect what many already do
bellaale 20:12
tricky... #spoty and #ukedchat on the same night! What Twitter
was made for... ;)
jimpknight 20:12
@simcloughlin @ethinking Could have fewer GCSEs at 14 - but
tempting robust do away with them now you have to stay on post
16 #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:12
@jimpknight @ethinking great point, another way of removing the
focus from teaching to tests instead of skills #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:12
@nightzookeeper We are not levelling children we are just using
another bunch of metrics for grouping not learning #ukedchat
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gsussex 20:12
@bevevans22 #ukedchat could lead to some state schools being
more selective? Taking options away from some to be with their
peers?
DrSpenny 20:12
#ukedchat is #natcur fit for purpose? Sadly more 19thC than 21stC.
Lack of ambition very sad and impoverished compared to QCA big
picture!
oldandrewuk 20:13@DrSpenny #ukedchat The important thing is that it is not anotherdumbed-down 20th century curriculum.
simcloughlin 20:13
@jimpknight @ethinking Very good point. Hadn't thought of it like
that. #ukedchat
peter_lydon 20:13
#ukedchat Anyone know where I can get a good summary of the
structure of ed system in England as it currently is? Thanks in
advance
jimpknight 20:13
@oldandrewuk But why do we still need public exams at 16 - it is
out of date #ukedchat
valleseco 20:13
@simcloughlin Have you seen my initial thoughts as well?
http://t.co/6cgf2RY5 (MFL bias, obvs) #ukedchat
ethinking 20:13
#ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the academies and free
schools are not compelled to follow it?
ethinking 20:13
#ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the academies and free
schools are not compelled to follow it?
nightzookeeper 20:13
@eyebeams agreed, we need to look closely at this system.
Children become labelled at a very early age #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:13
@eyebeams agreed, we need to look closely at this system.
Children become labelled at a very early age #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:13
@alecwaters on one hand ICT may look second best / optional and
therefore attract little investment in resource and training
#ukedchat
chrisrat 20:13
@alecwaters on one hand ICT may look second best / optional and
therefore attract little investment in resource and training
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:13
@gsussex #ukedchat That would be my thoughts too. Enforcing
more segregation...
bevevans22 20:13
@gsussex #ukedchat That would be my thoughts too. Enforcing
more segregation...
Bdunford 20:14
@clairegowland I guess ICT runs the risk of being removed as a
seperate subject when put in he same group as Sex Ed and careers?
#ukedchat
eyebeams 20:14
How about levels for collaborative learning around competencies
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:14
@oldandrewuk @gsussex Surely it depends on a number of factors:
appropriate support, class size, differentiation, etc. #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:14
@ethinking agreed but it fits with UCTs and we desperately need
some new thinking about 14-19 post-diplomas #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:14
@valleseco Keeping up with #ukedchat tweets at the mo, but I'll
have a look afterwards.
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alecwaters 20:14
@chrisrat this would be my worry - you need support from your
leadership team. #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:14
@alecwaters on the other hand, allowing it to support teaching of
other subjects may be the spark ICT needs #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:14RT @valleseco: @simcloughlin Have you seen my initial thoughts aswell? http://t.co/6cgf2RY5 (MFL bias, obvs) #ukedchat
alecwaters 20:15
RT @Bdunford: @mattbritland @alecwaters It's almost saying ICT
& D&T is not as important as Art, MFL & Humanities. Upsetting as
an ICT teacher. #ukedchat
aangeli 20:15
RT @jimpknight: @ethinking agreed but it fits with UCTs and we
desperately need some new thinking about 14-19 post-diplomas
#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:15
@eyebeams I was very surprised to see that collaborative and
independent learning weren't mentioned at all in the review.
#ukedchat
alecwaters 20:15
@chrisrat Already trying to do that as I see that an excellent way to
demonstrate the sustainability of specialist #ict teaching.
#ukedchat
Spongelab 20:15
Build-a-Body human anatomy game now free on iPad
http://t.co/qQVHC5wG #edchat #lrnchat #edtech #stem #gbl
#ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:15
RT @ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the
academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it?
oldandrewuk 20:16
@bevevans22 @gsussex With enough staff, money, time and
resources any problem can be worked round. But we shouldn't
have to. #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:16
@nightzookeeper @ethinking @jimpknight Careers are changing
rapidly students need the skills to cope with that #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:16
RT @jimpknight: @AngusWillson that is the other irony - lots of talk
about a NC that won't apply to most schools #ukedchat
#Goveconfused
Lynnewin100 20:16
RT @ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point of a #natcur if the
academies and free schools are not compelled to follow it?
ukedchat 20:16
@NightZooKeeper & @EThinking are helping with #ukedchat this
evening. Discussion about #natcur review http://t.co/mQpl0dCs
gsussex 20:16
@jimpknight #ukedchat Jim does your party agree with review
suggestions generally/specifically? #natcur
Jet1577 20:16
RT @simcloughlin: Today I read most of the National Curriculum
Review. Ahead of tonight's #ukedchat, here are some of my initial
thoughts http://t.co/zfSZpKWt
4ICT 20:16
@alecwaters But moving it down to Basic sends the wrong signal to
SMTs.#ukedchat
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cherrylkd 20:16
@bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat Inclusion
means helping all children 2 achieve the best they can . High
expectation 4 all is key
jimpknight 20:16
@AngusWillson that is the other irony - lots of talk about a NC that
won't apply to most schools #ukedchat #Goveconfused
Teaching_LMP 20:16
I was wondering this@ethinking: #ukedchat what's the point ofa #natcur if the academies and free schools are not compelled to
follow it?
reflectivemaths 20:16
@eyebeams Trying to level competences and plts type things is a
nightmare! #ukedchat
Paddymcgrath 20:17
RT @oldandrewuk: @DrSpenny #ukedchat The important thing is
that it is not another dumbed-down 20th century curriculum.
HilaryNunns 20:17
RT @bevevans22: @oldandrewuk @gsussex Surely it depends on a
number of factors: appropriate support, class size, differentiation,
etc. #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:17
@Teaching_LMP @ethinking in theory though, they wouldn't be
that free if they were compelled to follow the #natcur #ukedchat
4ICT 20:17
@Lynnewin100 Hopefully more schools then become Academies?
#ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:17
Hi! Just trying to see patterns in issues coming up. Key dilemma in
review was to lighten requirements whilst retaining breadth.
#ukedchat
debbisimpson 20:17
@AndrewPollard7 if you put in #ukedchat everyone can pick up
your comments
bevevans22 20:17
@oldandrewuk @gsussex Seeing inclusion as a problem to be
worked round probably isn't helping things... #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:17
@reflectivemaths depends who is doing it and how it is done
#ukedchat
Bdunford 20:17
Could academies eventually be told to sign up to the #natcur in
some way? A bit of a waste of time if many are exempt? #ukedchat
ethinking 20:17
@jimpknight #ukedchat agreed - most schools will be academy at
secondary - so this will be irrelevant anyway
Teaching_LMP 20:17
RT @Bdunford: @clairegowland I guess ICT runs the risk of being
removed as a seperate subject when put in he same group as Sex
Ed and careers? #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:17
@Bdunford @clairegowland huge risk of ICT being lost. Would
schools avoid the subject ticking boxes to say they are covering it?
#ukedchat
jimpknight 20:17
@nightzookeeper @ethinking Career choices need hard thinking
and urgent fix of IAG #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:18
@Natty08 @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat
you'd be surprised. Some lower ability left to TA in some schools.
So wrong.
philallman1 20:18 Welcome @Andrewpollard7 to #ukedchat
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ethinking 20:18
#ukedchat @Bdunford @clairegowland again - many schools do ict
badly - so what's the point in paying lip service?
SheliBB 20:18
@nightzookeeper @eyebeams I read this week that schools in
Finland don't assess until teen years.They have one of best ed
systems #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:18@4ICT @alecwaters Why are people accepting this as gospelalready what are the alternatives? #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:18
Agreed! @4ICT: @alecwaters But moving it down to Basic
sends the wrong signal to SMTs.#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:18
@cherrylkd @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat In practice,
inclusion means letting kids get away with murder and ignoring
genuine difficulties.
clairegowland 20:19
@nightzookeeper #ukedchat @bdunford What school would stop
teaching and using technology. Embedding it in curric makes it
relevant
nightzookeeper 20:19@SheliBB @eyebeams very interesting, I wonder if you post thelink? #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:19
RT @cherrylkd: @bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat
Inclusion means helping all children 2 achieve the best they can .
High expectation 4 all is key
SheliBB 20:19
@nightzookeeper @eyebeams so maybe we should follow their
lead, which could mean our children don't get labelled
academically #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:19
RT @SheliBB: @nightzookeeper @eyebeams I read this week that
schools in Finland don't assess until teen years.They have one of
best ed systems #ukedchat
philallman1 20:19
@jimpknight @gsussex @KevinBrennanMP @StephenTwigg
#ukedchat Nothing as far as I have seen which is not good!
oldandrewuk 20:19
@bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat Better than ignoring problems,
or claiming everything is about resources.
nightzookeeper 20:19
@4ICT @alecwaters do not like the terminology 'basic' at all!
#ukedchat
ethinking 20:20
@4ICT @lynnewin100 #ukedchat the subtext of all this lunacy is to
drive all schools to be academy
oldandrewuk 20:20
@AndrewPollard7 Biggest potential problem is the stuff on
assessment. Although it warns against it, this could turn into A.P.P.
#ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:20
#ukedchat if ICT wasn't compulsory would it free up ICT staff to
teach keener pupils for eg programming which has disappeared in
many scls?
Teaching_LMP 20:20
@chrisrat Agreed, although something being "national" but not
followed by everyone seems counter productive #natcur #ukedchat
philallman1 20:20
The prime reason I would go academy is to ignore the #natcur
edicts based on govian principles #ukedchat
dockers_hoops 20:20
There's no point in having a 'National' curriculum while education is
so politicised. Take the ideology out of learning #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:20
@oldandrewuk @gsussex #ukedchat You may be talking from
experience but that's not how I ever found it.
reallara 20:20
@4ICT @alecwaters Maybe the term 'basic' is the issue. Being out
of prescribed NC could give flexibility to allow change #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:20
@bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @gsussex Course inclusion can work
for good teachers - maybe @oldandrewuk needs some helphimself! #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:21
Get frustrated with this constant comparison with the rest of the
world. We should do what's best for our children in our society
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:21
RT @simcloughlin: @eyebeams I was very surprised to see that
collaborative and independent learning weren't mentioned at all in
the review. #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:21
RT @philallman1: @jimpknight @gsussex @KevinBrennanMP
@StephenTwigg #ukedchat Nothing as far as I have seen which is
not good!
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DrSpenny 20:22
@AndrewPollard7 #ukedchat I don't get the lightening
requirements - bit like throwing parachute off crashing plane
#natcur needed ambition
nightzookeeper 20:22
@clairegowland @bdunford certainly does, do you think this would
happen on the whole? #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:22
@Teaching_LMP one of the two has the wrong name! Probably
the #natcur #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:22
RT @jimpknight: @gsussex to be honest not seen what
@KevinBrennanMP or @StephenTwigg have said about it
#ukedchat < they need to speak out
clairegowland 20:23
#ukedchat I didn't see it as getting rid of ICT, more like making it
embedded. Isn't that the best way? Teach relevant ICT skills.?
bevevans22 20:23
@AndrewPollard7 @reallara @4ICT @alecwaters It still makes
those subjects sound unimportant though (maybe that's just me...)
#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:23
RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparisonwith the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our
children in our society #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:23
RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparison
with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our
children in our society #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:23
#ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important
than the curriculum. Teach them what they need to make progress.
Educationchat 20:23
#ukedchat teaching the children should always be more important
than the curriculum. Teach them what they need to make progress.
reflectivemaths 20:23
@SheliBB @nightzookeeper @eyebeams The whole Finland thing is
part of massive cultural difference #ukedchat
ethinking 20:23
#ukedchat @chrisrat @alecwaters we may see more truth, less
money wasted... #technologyisnottheonlyway
chrisrat 20:23
RT @4ICT @chrisrat Litte resource/training from HTs! I'll assume
many ICT teachers are v concerned about moving 'down' to Basic
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:23
@bevevans22 @gsussex I'm glad to say that's pretty much how
OFSTED found it in their review. #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:23
@nightzookeeper @SheliBB http://t.co/eF9tEQHA at Whole
Education's conference 2 weeks ago #ukedchat I recorded the
video and slides too
SheliBB 20:23
@nightzookeeper @eyebeams http://t.co/2NUo15L0 26 facts
about ed system in Finland #ukedchat
reallara 20:23
RT @Teaching_LMP: Get frustrated with this constant comparison
with the rest of the world. We should do what's best for our
children in our society #ukedchat
timbuckteeth 20:24
RT @clairegowland: #ukedchat I didn't see it as getting rid of ICT,
more like making it embedded. Isn't that the best way? Teachrelevant ICT skills.?
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NickiA10 20:24
@chrisrat @4ICT I bet they are as how many would employ ICT
teachers to actually teach it?! #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:24
#ukedchat is the aim 2 embed ICT throughout? Therefore less
reporting as a discrete subject? That would be sensible
reallara 20:24
@Teaching_LMP Absolutely. That was my main reaction yesterday.
We need a curriculum appropriate to our children and context#ukedchat
Educationchat 20:24
@Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and societies are different.
Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't copy. Won't work.
#ukedchat
eyebeams 20:24
@nightzookeeper @SheliBB All teachers have a masters - they all
do Action Research #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:24
RT @eyebeams: @nightzookeeper @SheliBB http://t.co/eF9tEQHA
at Whole Education's conference 2 weeks ago #ukedchat I recorded
the video and slides too
jodieworld 20:24
I am sure the gov are quite happy to force the last remainingschools to become academies - then we watch the gap widen :-(
#ukedchat
chrisrat 20:24
@ethinking @alecwaters it certainly isn't, but it shouldn't be
ignored #ukedchat #natcur
oldandrewuk 20:24
@Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex The whole of SEN policy
has been a disaster for a long time now, and it is coming to light
#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:24
@SheliBB @eyebeams I am completely against labelling, this is not
an effective way for ch to become life long learners #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:25
@aangeli @mrsthorne certainly ICT teachers are becoming more
vital as the need for PD grows #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:25
RT @Educationchat: @Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and
societies are different. Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't
copy. Won't work. #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:25
@clairegowland How about work in groups with different experts
and groups like this > http://t.co/Cwmoxdep #mozfest #ukedchat
debbisimpson 20:25
#ukedchat@chrisrat that's my concern too - already seen as
expensive and "the kids do it at home"
Teaching_LMP 20:25
RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children should always
be more important than the curriculum. Teach them what they
need to make progress.
dawnhallybone 20:25
a review is good but when will the national curriculum stop being a
political football? What happens when govt changes again?
#ukedchat
mattbritland 20:25 @mikematthewsCDN #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:25
@MrsThorne #ukedchat Nice idea would probably mean ICT
teachers have jobs cut and money spent on extra maths teachers
clairegowland 20:25
RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat is the aim 2 embed ICT throughout? -Exactly. Making it relevant for students and not a word processing
exercise!
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Teaching_LMP 20:25 @bevevans22 I completely agree! #ukedchat
ethinking 20:26
#ukedchat ok so we have threads: what's the basic curric mean,
sustainability of inclusion - push to more age related testing ? No?
Teaching_LMP 20:26
This is my first #ukedchat and blimey does it get the blood
pumping! It's more difficult to keep up with than "that class"
bevevans22 20:26
RT @jodieworld: I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it
hasn't happened yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of
gov #ukedchat
reallara 20:26
@AndrewPollard7 @bevevans22 @reallara @4ICT @alecwaters
Could be given clarification titles:e.g.National=prescribed
basic=flexible #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:26
@dawnhallybone We then have another political football arena w/
even more reviews and changes & actually nothing much being
done! #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:26
For ICT it means no prescribed content, but still compulsory as asubject. That means more freedom. Surely that's a good thing?
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:26
I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it hasn't happened
yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of gov #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:26
@DrSpenny Reducing extent of centralised requirements was a
main aim of review to enable professional teacher judgement.
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:26
@jimpknight Have you seen how low standards can get when kids
aren't examined in English schools? Look at citizenship or PSHE
#ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:26
@reflectivemaths I think we're all in danger of that in non-core. I'm
considering offering my services to the English dept #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:26
@clairegowland #ukedchat seems the way forward to me. Thanks 4
RT
Teaching_LMP 20:27
RT @nightzookeeper: ICT is an important part of contemporary
society, so should it be a prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:27
@simcloughlin @dawnhallybone @jimpknight #ukedchat
personally I'd resurrect Sir Jim's work and build on that!
SheliBB 20:27
@reflectivemaths @nightzookeeper @eyebeams I like their values-
as described in that post-though confess I know very little beyond
#ukedchat
eyebeams 20:27
@AndrewPollard7 @DrSpenny Bettwer if there were an aggregated
network of teacher action research based on practice I think
#ukedchat
alecwaters 20:27
@reallara @andrewpollard7 @bevevans22 @4ict #ukedchat
statutory flexible?
donnaspongebob 20:27
RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national
curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govtchanges again? #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:27
@OhLottie http://t.co/wNM0V2wD Is that what you wanted?
#ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:27
We (ICT teachers) can teach whatever we want, assuming as an
optimist, that our schools keep us. #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:27
ICT is an important part of contemporary society, so should it be a
prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat
reallara 20:27
RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching children should always bemore important than curriculum. Teach them what they need to
make progress.
HilaryNunns 20:27
@bevevans22 inclusive classroom brings fear to many teachers as
no proper training #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:27
@dawnhallybone #ukedchat Good point! If @jimpknight's party
came back into government, would they keep this or change it all
again?
MrsThorne 20:27
@nightzookeeper @aangeli think it would depend on the skillsets:
think a lot of ICT teachers don't have a programming background
#ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:28
RT @reallara: RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching children
should always be more important than curriculum. Teach them
what they need to make progress.
nightzookeeper 20:28
@MrsThorne @aangeli how important is this in your point of view?
#ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:28
Why does embedding ICT in other subjects mean it can't also be a
subject in it's own right? It's a fairly big part of society #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:28
#ukedchat What are teachers' views on the proposal to force
publication of SoWs for parents to scrutinise?
AndrewPollard7 20:28
@gsussex If recommendation on aims accepted, sustainability
provision would be requirement - communicated to parents,
inspected. #ukedchat
ethinking 20:28
#ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 @drspenny so ur saying slimmer
curric with room 4 professional judgement? I could deliver it in
60% of my week?
lauwailap1 20:28
@OhLottie. Here's the full NC review: http://t.co/8Wx5NJ2y via this
ICT teacher's blog http://t.co/uBEtejUz #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:28
RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national
curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt
changes again? #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:28
@clairegowland yes and in particular embed coding into Maths
#ukedchat
clairegowland 20:28
#ukedchat If a school felt the need to get rid of ICT specialists in the
year 2012 when everything is about technology, I would be
amazed.
reallara 20:28
RT @Educationchat: @Teaching_LMP Agree a lot! Cultures and
societies are different. Hard to compare. Learn from best but don't
copy. Won't work. #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:28
@Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children always moreimportant the curriculum. Teach them what they need 2 make
progress. hear hear
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4ICT 20:28
My take is that the move to 'basic' allows HTs to make the decision
as to IF, HOW LONG and WHAT ICT is in their #ictcurric #ukedchat
debbisimpson 20:28
@aangeli #ukedchat no i don't think so - very worrying - some
academies already ditched ICT staff
MrPhonics 20:28RT @jimpknight: @ethinking is there a case for stopping GCSE's at16s to free up 14-19 for more relevant learning choices #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:29
@eyebeams Yep, that's probably true but how would you level how
creative someone is? #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:29
we must make sure there is a real curriculum at key stage 4 rather
than just a mechanism for assessment professor husbands
#ukedchat
AngusWillson 20:29
#ukedchat Can see the value of curriculum specified for local
cirumstances, but it will need external challenge and validation.
alecwaters 20:29
RT @nightzookeeper: ICT is an important part of contemporary
society, so should it be a prominent part of the NC? #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:29
@nightzookeeper We should develop and teach "Social Velcro"
around / through the medium of ICT use community and action
research #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:29
@philallman1 @jimpknight #ukedchat How do you change the
status without identifying and testing a distinct body of
knowledge?
NickiA10 20:29
@simcloughlin I think it's imp parents know but danger is they
become 'experts' yet again on what should be taught and how.
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:29
@jimpknight @reflectivemaths @nightzookeeper @eyebeams it
seems to me that they believe children don't 'grow' by measuring
them #ukedchat
philallman1 20:29
Knowledge is fixed, skills have longevity, reality is current gov want
fixed knowledge taught based on own dogma #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:29
RT @jodieworld: I am all for embedding ICT - but for schs where it
hasn't happened yet, I worry it never will if pushed down agenda of
gov #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:29
@HilaryNunns #ukedchat I know. It is one of those things that is
absent from training unfortunately
cherrylkd 20:29
@oldandrewuk @educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex
#ukedchat Sweeping statement! Not the case for most teachers,
certainly not in spec schs
HilaryNunns 20:29
@jimpknight @oldandrewuk and exams don't always tell us what a
learner knows #ukedchat
gsussex 20:30
#ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 that's good to hear Andrew, thank
you for clarifying
reallara 20:30
@oldandrewuk @jimpknight It isn't the fact they aren't tested it's
the fact that in overcrowded curriculum they get squashed out#ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:30
RT @Teaching_LMP: @ethinking Age has so little to do with ability
#ukedchat - agreed :)
jimpknight 20:30
@simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim down the
Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:30 @MrsThorne Might be a wise move #ukedchat
aangeli 20:30
@debbisimpson my personal thoughts are is not what is in the
curriculum that is the problem. It's HOW it's being taught .#ukedchat
TeaKayB 20:30
RT @misshbond: RT @philallman1: Knowledge is fixed, skills have
longevity, reality is current gov want fixed knowledge taught based
on own dogma #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:30
@eyebeams @nightzookeeper and teachers are regarded as highly
as doctors... Could that ever happen in the uk? #ukedchat
alecwaters 20:30
@4ICT That could be good or bad depending on where you are
#ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:30 @ethinking Age has so little to do with ability #ukedchat
misshbond 20:30
RT @philallman1: Knowledge is fixed, skills have longevity, reality is
current gov want fixed knowledge taught based on own dogma
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:30
@oldandrewuk @jimpknight #ukedchat by moving to a
competency based curriculum like Aus, Finland and other lauded
nations!
oldandrewuk 20:30
@cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat
Teachers in special schools are usually the first to object to what's
happened.
norfolkteacher1 20:31
@nightzookeeper Absolutely - ICT should be taught discretely as a
skill and across the curriculum to embed #ukedchat
Lynnewin100 20:31
#ukedchat I think 1 good thing to come out of the #natcur mess is
that lots of schools have got on and changed curriculum based on
the kids
chrisrat 20:31
RT @simcloughlin: #ukedchat What are teachers' views on the
proposal to force publication of SoWs for parents to scrutinise?
SheliBB 20:31
RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national
curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt
changes again? #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:31
RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the national
curriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt
changes again? #ukedchat
bobharrisonset 20:31
@bevevans22 Important role for Teaching Schools here...Not many
of first 100 have the ICT mark? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:31
@HilaryNunns @jimpknight #ukedchat Exams aren't perfect, but
provide a minimum. Without them you get lessons in knitting your
own yoghurt.
lauwailap1 20:31
RT @nightzookeeper: "we must make sure there is a real
curriculum at key stage 4 rather than just a mechanism forassessment" professor husbands #ukedchat
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NickiA10 20:31
@jimpknight @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone A skills focussed
approach would enable that. #ukedchat
chrisrat 20:31
@jimpknight @reflectivemaths @shelibb @nightzookeeper
@eyebeams hadn't Finland dropped off the Gove agenda, or was
that Sweden?! #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:31
@philallman1 @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I completely agree
#ukedchat
eyebeams 20:31
@AngusWillson Then aggregate it like external examiners and
pump prime it with mentors - much better system than "levellling"
#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:31
Should we move towards removing subjects altogether? Would this
provide a more creative education for all? #ukedchat
ethinking 20:31
RT @eyebeams: @nightzookeeper We should develop and teach
"Social Velcro" around / through the medium of ICT use community
and action research #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:32 Don't get me wrong...would love to see it happen! #ukedchat
ethinking 20:32
@bobharrisonset @bevevans22 #ukedchat don't schools have to
buy support from teaching schools?
oldandrewuk 20:32
@reallara @jimpknight #ukedchat They take up plenty of time. The
problem is they are seen as something any idiot can deliver in any
way.
simcloughlin 20:32
RT @jimpknight: @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim
down the Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:32
@simcloughlin Oh I missed that bit. That would imply there would
need to be SOW in the first place... #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:32
@simcloughlin Some parents will scrutinise and comment, it would
scare me if some of our parents could influence the curriculum.
#ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:32
Can't see this happening, "abandoning the system in which
childrens attainment is judged by levels." #ukedchat
Huge culture change needed
nightzookeeper 20:32 @eyebeams can you define 'social velcro' please? #ukedchat
bucharesttutor 20:32
3 Posts every ICT Co-ordinator should read http://t.co/EZEgYQE1
via @zite #ukedchat a very nice read
timbuckteeth 20:32
RT @jimpknight @simcloughlin @dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim
down the Curriculum and finish it at 14 #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:32
@jimpknight @simcloughlin I agree education of children to
important to be changed every time govt does #ukedchat
Bdunford 20:32
Hopefully ICT will be changed to compsci rather than removed
from the #natcur. It's been in need of change for a long time.
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:32
@clairegowland I mean re: embedding in all subjects. Lots will do it
well but unfortunately lots won't. As happens now #ukedchat
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simcloughlin 20:33 @Teaching_LMP Haha yes! #ukedchat
philallman1 20:33
@oldandrewuk a bit like hoop jumping exams then! @reallara
@jimpknight #ukedchat
eylanezekiel 20:33
@dawnhallybone Are you suggesting schools should be free of
political interference? Accountable to parents/children of course.
#ukedchat
ethinking 20:33@ICTwitz #ukedchat the change in assessment is profound - asystem designed for that will be complex
jodieworld 20:33
Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper Absolutely- ICT
should be taught discretely as a skill & across the curriculum to
embed #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:33
@MisiesD It moves the focus away from the qualified teacher being
the expert. #ukedchat
TeacherToolkit 20:33 @reallara @ethinking
eyebeams 20:33
@SheliBB @nightzookeeper But one thing shown 2 make
difference 2 children's learning is quality of teachers #ukedchat
http://t.co/QV70uNQH
Teaching_LMP 20:33
@nightzookeeper That is scarily 'out of the box' thinking!
#ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:33
@oldandrewuk @educationchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat we
want best for all ch. if that means m/stream so be it. Education is
impt, not school
bevevans22 20:33 @bobharrisonset #ukedchat Really?
SheliBB 20:33
@nightzookeeper I liked that about the old new curriculum. The
one that they chucked out. Wonder how much that cost ...
#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:33
@bevevans22 @teaching_lmp @ethinking would you say that
some subjects are age appropriate? #ukedchat
clairegowland 20:33
@jodieworld yes, I guess that is the gloomy way to look at it. I saw
it as an opportunity to get out of my subject confines. #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:33
@ethinking @drspenny Depends circs but that's aim. Local
curriculum to complement #natcur. 'Essential' + 'contextual'
knowldg. #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 20:33
@SheliBB I don't think UK public is likely to regard teachers highly
when they think it's fine to be bad at maths #ukedchat
philallman1 20:33
Sadly prev govt had opportunity to change culture and chose to
propagate testing culture instead. Need to learn from mistakes
#ukedchat
gsussex 20:34
#ukedchat @AndrewPollard7 did team members visit the
international countries ref. in the review to see systems working in
context?
ICTwitz 20:34 @ethinking #ukedchat HUGE investment would be needed for this.
Teaching_LMP 20:34
@nightzookeeper I would say more topics, rather that subjects.
There are some books I wouldn't teach to 11 year olds for example
#ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:34
@nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking I just think children
learn at different rates dependent on many things #ukedchat
adamamos 20:34
RT @Educationchat: #ukedchat teaching the children should always
be more important than the curriculum. Teach them what they
need to make progress.
eyebeams 20:34
@nightzookeeper Yes working in collaborative groups with localinstitutions businesses experts and in longer, slower, deeper ways
#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:34
@norfolkteacher1 agreed, should it be regarded as highly as Maths
and English? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:34
RT @jimpknight: @oldandrewuk @philallman1 I am willing to be
persuaded that some limited exams at 14 are needed to keep
momentum #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:34
RT @jodieworld: Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper
Absolutely- ICT should be taught discretely as a skill & across thecurriculum to embed #ukedchat
AngusWillson 20:34
@eyebeams Agree but a mentoring system could be expensive and
need to show quick results. #ukedchat
jimpknight 20:34
@oldandrewuk @philallman1 I am willing to be persuaded that
some limited exams at 14 are needed to keep momentum
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:34
@philallman1 @jimpknight #ukedchat Like American states in the
1920s? Like British schools in the 1970s? Been tried before and
doesn't work.
jodieworld 20:35
@clairegowland gloomy is not the same as realistic. I visit a lot of
schools and see the divide #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:35
@nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking As an example my
son was exempt from learning a foreign language due to disabilities
1/2#ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:35
RT @dawnhallybone: @jimpknight @simcloughlin I agree
education of children to important to be changed every time govt
does #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:35
@ethinking @ICTwitz No it won't it will just be different - it needs
a change of will with SMT's and how they manage it #ukedchat
DKMead 20:35
RT @dockers_hoops: There's no point in having a 'National'
curriculum while education is so politicised. Take the ideology out
of learning #ukedchat
eylanezekiel 20:35
@dawnhallybone @SirKenRobinson should be first UK Schools
'Minister' - free of party politics & answerable to professional
debate #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:35
1 of highlighted probs is students not provided w/ skills 4
workplace so surely post 14 should be all about that. #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:35#ukedchat In Scotland we have new Curric for Excellence. Nameannoys me. What was it before? Curric for mediocrity? Grrrrrrr
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HilaryNunns 20:35
@oldandrewuk @jimpknight #ukedchat not at all. I've never taught
that :). But I know they don't tell us what the learner knows
oldandrewuk 20:35
@jimpknight @philallman1 #ukedchat Testing can go too far (look
at the US) but exams do make a difference to expectations.
nightzookeeper 20:35 @Teaching_LMP do you have an opinion on this? #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:35
@norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper That's the idea I think.
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:35
@jimpknight @oldandrewuk #ukedchat not averse 2 examination
just need 2 B PART of process not meaningless destinations in
learning journey
dawnhallybone 20:35
@eylanezekiel should be about accountability to community - can
see 'some' need for involvement but not at detriment of ed
#ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:36
@eyebeams @ethinking But SMT's like to think/know they are
doing it correctly. They need permission (or a scheme!) #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:36
@NickiA10 But lack of basic literacy and numeracy skills has also
been highlighted. Likely to lose those between 14 and 18?
#ukedchat
clairegowland 20:36
@jodieworld: #ukedchat It must be a primary thing, I see amazing
uses of technology and teaching of ICT in secondary schools.
richardblaize 20:36
Completely forgot about #ukedchat tonight. Flicking through looks
like a good one and right up my ICT street.
mattharding007 20:36
RT @cherrylkd: RT @dawnhallybone: @jimpknight
@simcloughlin I agree education of children to important to be
changed every time govt does #ukedchat
lsanger 20:36
RT @timbuckteeth: RT @jimpknight @simcloughlin
@dawnhallybone I'd like us to slim down the Curriculum and finish
it at 14 #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:36
@nightzookeeper @teaching_lmp @ethinking #ukedchat but was
able to do so later, when he was ready for the challenge :)
oldandrewuk 20:36
@cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 #ukedchat Inclusion
wasn't "mainstream if best" it was "mainstream or else".
debbisimpson 20:36
@norfolkteacher1 #ukedchat which is what should be happening
now and brilliantly is, in a few cases, but sadly not enough
PhilipEdmundson 20:36
@nightzookeeper Thematic learning wld liberate thinking about
learning /education from childrens, teachers and parents'
viewpoints.#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:36 @eylanezekiel not that would get my 'vote' #ukedchat
mattharding007 20:36
RT @jodieworld: Agreed RT @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeperAbsolutely- ICT should be taught discretely as a skill & across the
curriculum to embed #ukedchat
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simcloughlin 20:37
RT @philallman1: As I say to parents. 'I've yet to hear of any1 being
asked at interview what they got in their KS2 SATs' #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:37
@SheliBB @nightzookeeper I ever did was make my son curious
and love learning - it's about culture #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:37
@simcloughlin Then we ensure that a skills cur enables those
essential skills to be part of it but provide what students need#ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:37
@jimpknight @oldandrewuk External exams, esp early entries
moderate achievements from both children and teachers
perspectives. #ukedchat
timbuckteeth 20:37
RT @clairegowland: @jodieworld: #ukedchat It must be a primary
thing, I see amazing uses of technology and teaching of ICT in
secondary schools.
bevevans22 20:37
@oldandrewuk @cherrylkd @educationchat Do you have anything
constructive to say on inclusion at all? It would seem
not...#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:37
@ICTwitz Review says KS2 testing should continue, as per the Bew
report. #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:37 #ukedchat Scottish Curric for Excellence is 3 -18!
nightzookeeper 20:37
@Teaching_LMP abolishing subjects, completely creative
approach? #ukedchat
mattharding007 20:37
RT @philallman1: As I say to parents. 'I've yet to hear of any1 being
asked at interview what they got in their KS2 SATs' #ukedchat
clairegowland 20:37 @GeekPeter #ukedchat and how does that work out?
gsussex 20:37
@jimpknight I'd like us to slim down the Curriculum and finish it at
14 #ukedchat. So national tests at 14 then or . . ?
oldandrewuk 20:37
@Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat As ever the
tolerance of the education establishment is just overwhelming.
philallman1 20:37
@MisiesD at least its more enlightened than ours is proposed!!!
#ukedchat
ruthyie 20:37
RT @Bdunford: Hopefully ICT will be changed to compsci rather
than removed from the #natcur. It's been in need of change for a
long time. #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:38
@dawnhallybone #ukedchat Got to remember that a lot of the
biggest changes have happened without a change of government.
e.g. NC, ECM, SATs
AngusWillson 20:38
@lsanger Finish NC at 14? But three-year GCSE has already reduced
it to 13. #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:38
@clairegowland lol now who is gloomy! I see loads of great use at
primary too. But not at all. All try #ukedchat
ebd35 20:38
RT @lauwailap1: For ICT it means no prescribed content, but still
compulsory as a subject. That means more freedom. Surely that's a
good thing? #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:38
@PhilipEdmundson I agree, have seen this work so much in my
own practice. Really engages learners #ukedchat
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DrSpenny 20:38
@jimpknight despite lack of aspiration-would be good to have
cross party commit to process of continuous improvement for
#natcur #ukedchat
dukkhaboy 20:38
If everyone has to stay in education till 19, what's the point of
having major exams at 16? #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:38
@gsussex No visits. Most internat research done by DfE team with
advice from EP. But extensive int networks & previous visits.#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:39
@bevevans22 @simcloughlin Scary prospect is that we move back
to a completely content driven cur not skills #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:39
RT @bevevans22: @oldandrewuk @cherrylkd @educationchat Do
you have anything constructive to say on inclusion at all? It would
seem not...#ukedchat
mikercameron 20:39
RT @GiftedPhoenix: Ahead of #ukedchat read my robust critique of
the Expert Panel Report, especially Ch8 on Progression:
http://t.co/NCRgvTUQ #natcur #gtvoice
Teaching_LMP 20:39
@nightzookeeper And having a focus, although I like the idea of
having more freedom to involve other subjects (drama, media, ict)
#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:39
Should computer science and programming play a more prominent
role in primary and sec education? #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:39
@philallman1 #ukedchat It has less summative and more formative
assessment. More beneficial in my opinion.
gsussex 20:39
@NickiA10: 1 of highlighted probs is students not provided w/
skills 4 workplace so post 14 should be about that. #ukedchat
@jimpknight ?
cherrylkd 20:39
@bevevans22 @oldandrewuk @educationchat #ukedchat I agree. I
refuse to be drawn further on that debate!
benniekara 20:39
@gsussex @jimpknight #ukedchat lots of schools now limiting KS3
to Yrs 7 & 8 to start GCSE early. Testing at this age cannot be
current SATS
jodieworld 20:39
@clairegowland and is this awesome teaching of ICT in EVERY
subject across EVERY secondary school? #ukedchat
ruthyie 20:39
We've embraced APP in science, but the reports to parents lag
behind and still quote one 'mean' level. I'd like a skills diagram.
#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:39
@dukkhaboy #ukedchat @jimpknight has said that GCSEs at 16
should go.
debbisimpson 20:39
@nightzookeeper @norfolkteacher1 #ukedchat I thnk so - it is an
underpinning skillset for access to the entire curriculum surely
bevevans22 20:39
@NickiA10 @simcloughlin #ukedchat There was a lot of focus on
key skills in the school I worked in. I thought it worked well
Teaching_LMP 20:39
@nightzookeeper As a secondary school teacher I can't really get
my head around the idea if I am honest. I like my hour slots
#ukedchat
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jimpknight 20:39
@eylanezekiel @dawnhallybone @sirkenrobinson He'd be great
but still accountable to Parliament and the Daily Mail :( #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:40
@dukkhaboy #ukedchat To identify serious problems before they
are 19. Otherwise schools could fail to teach and blame it on
colleges.
JaneMurphy4 20:40
RT @dawnhallybone: a review is good but when will the nationalcurriculum stop being a political football? What happens when govt
changes again? #ukedchat
dockers_hoops 20:40
Worth bearing in mind that we can do anything but we can't do
everything! So review should focus on a much more local
curriculum #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:40
@NickiA10 @simcloughlin We had to put the key skills focus on
every piece of planning and reflect on each lesson too #ukedchat
philallman1 20:40
@oldandrewuk I think U will find that inreality the dogma of testing
was bought by all at top 4 measurability. #ukedchat@dawnhallybone
benniekara 20:40
@AngusWillson @lsanger #ukedchat yes and if this continues, we
need to reconsider what we are testing and why
jimpknight 20:40
Sorry folks must go - this is not combining well with my cooking
duties. Next time. Happy Christmas everyone! #ukedchat
aangeli 20:40
@dukkhaboy I think exams at 19 (only) would be a sensible idea.
#ukedchat
chrisrat 20:40
@ICTwitz @eyebeams @ethinking did I hear the word scheme?!
#shudder #ukedchat
gsussex 20:40
@philallman1: As I say to parents. 'I've yet to hear of any1
being asked at interview what they got in their KS2 SATs'
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:40
@DrSpenny @jimpknight #ukedchat Problem with taking things out
of political debate is that they then end up run by bureaucrats.
reallara 20:41
@NickiA10 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Absolutely. Wonder what
@ThatIanGilbert 's take on the review is? #ukedchat
ruthyie 20:41
@gsussex @NickiA10 @jimpknight Really? Workplaces should train
people themselves, surely. #ukedchat
aangeli 20:41
RT @nightzookeeper: The arts should feature strongly in the
revised NC? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:41
@jimpknight thanks for your time Jim - much appreciated!
#ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:41
As they should in life @nightzookeeper: The arts should
feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:41
@nightzookeeper Keep saying that why do staff and kids love "drop
down days" so much more than "normal sessions"? More creative!
#ukedchat
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ebd35 20:41
@oldandrewuk: @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22
#ukedchat Inclusion wasn't "mainstream if best" it was
"mainstream or else". disagree!
oldandrewuk 20:41
RT @PhilipEdmundson: @jimpknight @oldandrewuk External
exams, esp early entries moderate achievements from both
children and teachers perspectives. #ukedchat
clairegowland 20:41@jodieworld #ukedchat how could i possibly know that! I was justlooking at the positive and from my perspective.
ethinking 20:41
#ukedchat @Educationchat actually - you need to wind your neck
in - this is professional debate - no need to abuse people not
credible
eyebeams 20:41
Need to work in topics with outside experts co-opted with others
to give some genuine learning not pretend "metrics" learning :)
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:41
@oldandrewuk @DrSpenny @jimpknight and this would be worse
than now because???? #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:41
@philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Immense creativity, highstandards and high expectations are part of the culture at my
school too! #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:41
skills diagram or mastery as proposed seems like a good idea. It just
depends what they measure mastery in. #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:41 The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat
julietteheppell 20:41 @jimpknight @ethinking yes! #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:42
RT @Teaching_LMP: As they should in life @nightzookeeper:
The arts should feature strongly in the revised NC? #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:42
@philallman1 Of course creative curric can Phil - appreciated!
That's why art, music etc in there. Couldn't take for granted tho
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:42
RT @NickiA10: @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and should
be taught across range of subjects #ukedchat - My thoughts exactly
ethinking 20:42 @jimpknight thanks for your time #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:42
@bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat #ukedchat I think it is
constructive to oppose the ideology of inclusion.
NickiA10 20:42
@bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and should be taught across
range of subjects #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:42
@jimpknight Great to have you joining in with #ukedchat Have a
great Christmas!
nightzookeeper 20:42
@reflectivemaths @norfolkteacher1 I guess the theory is that it is
embedded in a lot of what we do on a daily basis #ukedchat
Baggiepr 20:42
Promoting Excellence in KS2 with a final paragraph on the
governments proposed new curriculum. http://t.co/tKJuofyb
#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:43
@ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight Or there is the danger that we allbecome separate units so prims think about their skills etc...
#ukedchat
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philallman1 20:43
@AndrewPollard7 so why not build on THAT like Jim Rose was and
develop COMPETENCE rather than knowledge? #ukedchat
VivWatson1 20:43
#ukedchat Finland much better eg of curric than china or Singapore
(rote learning is part of the culture there). Let's take a proper look
norfolkteacher1 20:43RT @NickiA10: @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Skills can and shouldbe taught across range of subjects #ukedchat
bobharrisonset 20:43
@bevevans22 4Teaching schools going to lead on ICT,2primary
and 2 secondary.Some others also excellent use of ICT but variable
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:43
@nightzookeeper #ukedchat It was tried a lot in the 1970s. Became
a national scandal and led to the introduction of the National
Curriculum.
simcloughlin 20:43
@jimpknight Thanks for dropping in! If only more from Parliament
were as proactive in engaging with those on the frontline!
#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:43
@ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight But surely we should provide
skills for all to be successful not leave it to workplace #ukedchat
geraldhaigh1 20:43
@dawnhallybone #ukedchat George Tomlinson, Min of Ed '47-'51
questioned about curriculum. 'Minister's got nowt to do wi't
curriculum.'
oldandrewuk 20:44
@ebd35 @cherrylkd @educationchat @bevevans22 Get back to
me after #ukedchat, and I'll find you the policy documents stating
just that.
nightzookeeper 20:44
@norfolkteacher1 @debbisimpson definitely, I think the increase in
tech edu has been a focus of #ukedchat in recent months
dawnhallybone 20:44
RT @philallman1: @jimpknight thanks for your time Jim - much
appreciated! seconded #ukedchat
NickLinford 20:44
Getting good feedback on @FEWeek @Apprenticeships special
edition - download: http://t.co/Su23cG3O. Tweet your thoughts
with #ukedchat
lsanger 20:44
@AngusWillson #ukedchat My retweets do not always imply
endorsement! :-)
gsussex 20:44
creativity, high standards and high expectations are part of the
culture at my school too! #ukedchat I'd echo that, our school
too!
PhilipEdmundson 20:44
@oldandrewuk @bevevans22 @cherrylkd @educationchat Not
sure it is, but accepting a massive rethink is stepping in right
direction. #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:44
@clairegowland I am not trying to criticise and understand your
viewpoint totally! Am playing devil's advocate re embedding
#ukedchat :-)
dukkhaboy 20:45
RT @aangeli: @dukkhaboy I think exams at 19 (only) would be a
sensible idea. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:45#ukedchat Have to leave the chat a little early. It's been asinteresting as usual. Thanks all :)
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jodieworld 20:45
@clairegowland Am sure ICT tchers can embed brilliantly. But the
move to embed across curric may not always include an ICT teach.
#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:45
#ukedchat We need to ensure a complete 3-19 education system
allowing students to be successful beyond 19 surely?
nightzookeeper 20:45@oldandrewuk interesting, anything I can read on this that youknow of? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:45
@philallman1 @DrSpenny @jimpknight #ukedchat Because things
are moving in the right direction now curriculum-wise.
dukkhaboy 20:45
@oldandrewuk #ukedchat so maybe no exams at 16 and no 11-16
schools too. Give them all a 6th form?
ebd35 20:45
@dawnhallybone: RT @philallman1: @jimpknight thanks for
your time Jim - much appreciated! seconded #ukedchat me
too!!
HilaryNunns 20:45
RT @NickiA10: 1 of highlighted probs is students not provided w/skills 4 workplace so surely post 14 should be all about that.
#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:45
RT @geraldhaigh1: #ukedchat George Tomlinson, Min of Ed '47-'51
questioned about curriculum. 'Minister's got nowt to do wi't
curriculum.'
HilaryNunns 20:46
Really?? RT "@oldandrewuk: @bevevans22 @cherrylkd
@educationchat #ukedchat I think it is constructive to oppose the
ideology of inclusion."
reallara 20:46
@SheliBB @OhLottie @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper
importance of opportunities to explore & learn across curriculum
#ukedchat
VivWatson1 20:46
#ukedchat ICT in my primary school is advanced and pupils in year
4-6 have greater skills than my own year 8 twins. Variables in
teaching :(
philallman1 20:46
@oldandrewuk @DrSpenny @jimpknight you REALLY think so? I'm
afraid I fundamentally disagree. #ukedchat
eylanezekiel 20:46
Is part of the problem that the teaching profession has never led
the debate around education? #ukedchat
Bdunford 20:46
RT @jodieworld: @clairegowland Am sure ICT tchers can embed
brilliantly. But the move to embed across curric may not always
include an ICT teach. #ukedchat
eyebeams 20:46
@oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper We didn't have the technology
we have now or joined up professional networks bad comparison
#ukedchat
stephenheppell 20:46
good night Jim, and indeed Good Knight Jim #ukedchat
@jimpknight
nightzookeeper 20:47
RT @eyebeams: @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper We didn't have
the technology we have now or joined up professional networks
bad comparison #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:47
@VivWatson1 As ICT teaching at primary becomes more advanced,
secondary ICT will have to introduce programming and more compsci #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:47 @NickiA10 You need to come to Scotland! #ukedchat
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ukedchat 20:47
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:47
@PhilipEdmundson @Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex
#ukedchat True, but that results partly from the push for inclusion.
ethinking 20:47
RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat We need to ensure a complete 3-19education system allowing students to be successful beyond 19
surely?
NickiA10 20:47 @gsussex @ruthyie @jimpknight Indeed and thanks! #ukedchat
philallman1 20:47
@Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 Of course you teach knowledge
but WHAT knowledge should not be prescribed - that becomes
dogmatic #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:47
@eyebeams @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper Culturally speaking
(and taught during 70s) we are worlds apart - Imagine Twitter
1976! #ukedchat
clairegowland 20:47
@jodieworld #ukedchat no, I guess you are right. I must make
sure I keep up the good work, so they don't get rid of me.
nightzookeeper 20:47
@benniekara @philipedmundson depends how you would define
academia? Do students have much more choice at HE level.
#ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:48
@NickiA10 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin Imp point on skills risk.
New thinkg is NC knowldg + tch/sch led skills. Aims = imp check up
#ukedchat
eyebeams 20:48
@PhilipEdmundson @oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper I taught in
the 70's there was no cohesion because no connection between
teachers #ukedchat
HilaryNunns 20:48
@nightzookeeper @oldandrewuk #ukedchat I was schooled in the
70s and def had subjects
oldandrewuk 20:48
@Educationchat @bevevans22 @gsussex #ukedchat What's the
point on coming on here to agree? (Although one week I did do
that for a laugh).
NickiA10 20:48
@ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight How about personalised learning
and thinking skills as identified by Mick Waters? #ukedchat
ebd35 20:48
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:48
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:48
@PhilipEdmundson @oldandrewuk @bevevans22 @educationchat
#ukedchat as long as its 4 good of ch & not 2 save money, can
always accept rethink
geraldhaigh1 20:49Always been more freedom within NC guidelines than many havetaken advantage of. Some heads timid about this. #ukedchat
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simcloughlin 20:49
@Bdunford I agree that there are some good points in the review,
but I do question the majority of points. #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:49
RT @benniekara: @nightzookeeper @philipedmundson #ukedchat
good question. I guess problem with thematic is risk of watering
down subjects, losing depth?
eyebeams 20:49
@lauwailap1 @VivWatson1 And/or deeper design, art and music
tech #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:49
@AndrewPollard7 @bevevans22 @simcloughlin But if knowledge is
prescribed then knowledge becomes fixed! #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:49
@clairegowland I am sure you will be kept! And do excellent work
with other departments. Fly the flag! :-) #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:49
@HilaryNunns @jimpknight #ukedchat They tell us more than any
other method, and it is the complete absence of learning that is the
problem.
nightzookeeper 20:49Hasn't been mentioned yet - when should MFL be introduced in theNC? #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:49
RT @Bdunford: It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review,
but there are some really good bits in it too. A debate of change is
always good. #ukedchat
benniekara 20:49
@nightzookeeper @philipedmundson #ukedchat good question. I
guess problem with thematic is risk of watering down subjects,
losing depth?
Bdunford 20:49
It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review, but there are some
really good bits in it too. A debate of change is always good.
#ukedchat
NickiA10 20:50 @ukedchat Wow that's been quick #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:50
@benniekara @philipedmundson a thematic approach improves
the depth of learning and increases the amount students retain
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:50
@clairegowland I don't think any jobs will go really, just be hard for
all departments to have an expert to hand weekly #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:50
@eylanezekiel #ukedchat Yes! Who ever in politics asks or listens 2
teachers? Everyone's an expert on teaching except teachers!
MisiesD 20:50
@NickiA10 Like everywhere else, pros and cons. HMI don't seem as
bad as Ofsted though. #ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:50
@nightzookeeper Whenever it is it should be standardised. I
restarted French at secondary as other feeder schools hadn't done
it #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:50 Wow. Great #ukedchat this evening. Last 10 minutes folks
ethinking 20:50
@HilaryNunns @oldandrewuk inclusion is a sacred cow - you can't
question it - you are being mean to poor children - #ukedchat
philallman1 20:50
@geraldhaigh1 sadly b/c of inspection implications and high stakes
involved #ukedchat
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eyebeams 20:51
I think we need to remodel people's roles in education - make them
more agile and reflective learners and that's just the teachers
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:51
@reallara @ohlottie @norfolkteacher1 @nightzookeeper
definitely! Eyfs style curric.Ongoing formative assessment,no
summative stuff #ukedchat
CreativeSTAR 20:51
It's all about Stuff! Part 2 Lunchtime play projecthttp://t.co/q7EnZdIg #playoutdoors #recycling #learnoutdoors
#ukedchat #edchat
reallara 20:51
@nightzookeeper True. From experience Y3 is a better starting
place than Y5. More open to MFL, especially if gradual introduction
#ukedchat
thelazyteacher 20:51
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:51@benniekara @nightzookeeper If thrown together/fudged, thenyes. Given clear aims and time, then no. #ukedchat
debbisimpson 20:51
RT @TonyPickford1: @VivWatson1 #ukedchat ICT quality in
primary hugely variable, which is why devolving ICT to schools in
#NCReview is ill-advised.
oldandrewuk 20:51
@PhilipEdmundson @nightzookeeper #ukedchat In my experience
they don't.
Teaching_LMP 20:52
Aside: In my placement school they have dropped the "F" and just
call it "ML." Surely that includes English? Anyway... #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:52 @ruthyie But unis now saying that students don't have. #ukedchat
HilaryNunns 20:52
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
gsussex 20:52
#ukedchat I am pleased timing in now Sept 2014 as it gives time for
further reflection & sharing of views
joehallg 20:52
What would happen if #natcur review was delayed forever? Would
we all feel the freedom and do it anyway? #ukedchat"
lauwailap1 20:52
@OhLottie It will all come back to accountability, "basic" still
implies it's a compulsory subject so can still be inspected #ukedchat
ethinking 20:52
RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in
education - make them more agile and reflective learners and
that's just the teachers #ukedchat
julietteheppell 20:52
@nightzookeeper @benniekara @philipedmundson entirely agree
thematic = more depth of subject! #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:52
Big question - How effective is the year by year approach to
educating, could this be altered, what would be the impact?
#ukedchat
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oldandrewuk 20:52
@eyebeams @nightzookeeper #ukedchat But advocates of this
sort of change have always said the technology makes the
difference. It never does
ruthyie 20:52
@NickiA10 #ukedchat I'm all for PLTS. Need to be developed long
before KS4. Along with ICT-related research skills. Stuff we learned
at uni!
lsanger 20:52
#ukedchat gives me a headache. Are they really seriously talking
about reducing their curriculum so it is finished at age 14?
PhilipEdmundson 20:52
@benniekara @nightzookeeper Strikes me that social media
makes us inventive & that we need to lead debate on taking this
forward. #ukedchat
Bdunford 20:52
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
samschoolstuff 20:53
RT @AndrewPollard7: Need 2 b clear on status of #natcur rpt 2
generate debate. Acceptance/rejection later by govt.Tchrs/stakehldrs must engage now. #ukedchat
davidandrew52 20:53
RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in
education - make them more agile and reflective learners and
that's just the teachers #ukedchat
acprac 20:53
RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in
education - make them more agile and reflective learners and
that's just the teachers #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:53
@NickiA10 @ruthyie @gsussex @jimpknight #ukedchat Slogans
used to justify dumbing down. There are no generic, teachable
thinking skills.
lauwailap1 20:53
@eyebeams @VivWatson1 YES, I'd love to see more interactive
media, motion graphics, video, or games design on the ICT
curriculum #ukedchat
norfolkteacher1 20:53
@eyebeams I would say that many primary teachers are already
doing this #ukedchat
VivWatson1 20:53
#ukedchat I worry that education has for too long been a political
pawn shunted around a board with one aim - protecting the
establishment
MrShopland 20:53
RT @eylanezekiel: Is part of the problem that the teaching
profession has never led the debate around education? #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:53
@oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper May I ask why, Andrew?
#ukedchat
Teaching_LMP 20:53
RT @nightzookeeper: Big question - How effective is the year by
year approach to educating, could this be altered, what would be
the impact? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:53
@oldandrewuk @eyebeams @nightzookeeper b/c of the lack of
expertise which will worsen if not part of core. #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:53@HilaryNunns @nightzookeeper #ukedchat I didn't say it wasuniversal. Obviously it was mainly forced on kids in deprived areas.
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chrisrat 20:53
RT @Bdunford: It's easy to be concerned by the #natcur review,
but there are some really good bits in it too. A debate of change is
always good. #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:53
Need 2 b clear on status of #natcur rpt 2 generate debate.
Acceptance/rejection later by govt. Tchrs/stakehldrs must engage
now. #ukedchat
MisiesD 20:53#ukedchat Thought I wouldn't Tweet tonight as we have CfE inScotland. Couldn't stop myself! :-) #interloper
oldandrewuk 20:54
@philallman1 @Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 #ukedchat I think
it's hard to justify that in the core. Studying popular culture is not
enough.
eyebeams 20:54
@oldandrewuk @nightzookeeper Not saying that at all -it is
teacher's and SMT management remodelling around learning
augmented by #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:54
RT @nightzookeeper: @julietteheppell @benniekara
@philipedmundson we don't live our lives in subjects, so why
should we learn & teach in this way? #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:54
RT @philallman1: @geraldhaigh1 sadly b/c of inspection
implications & high stakes involved #ukedchat Agree!Ofsted
causes heads to be timid
nightzookeeper 20:54
@julietteheppell @benniekara @philipedmundson we don't live
our lives in subjects, so why should we learn & teach in this way?
#ukedchat
MultiMartin 20:55
Professional associations like @The_UKLA are so important when
trying to influence policy but teachers need a greater voice too
#ukedchat
oliverquinlan 20:55
RT @eyebeams: I think we need to remodel people's roles in
education - make them more agile and reflective learners and
that's just the teachers #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:55
@gsussex, yes agree Sept 2014 is quite a long time away, so
hopefully more people can reflect and contribute to the reform
debate #ukedchat
julietteheppell 20:55
@nightzookeeper @benniekara @philipedmundson Exactly! Does
not help the students! #ukedchat
norfolkteacher1 20:55
RT @VivWatson1: #ukedchat I worry that education has for too
long been a political pawn shunted around a board with one aim -
protecting the establishment
philallman1 20:55
@AndrewPollard7 which as long as we are listened to we are
delighted by #ukedchat
debbisimpson 20:55
@simcloughlin apart from esafety ICT NC has held up pretty well
it's the QCA unit approach tickbox approach that is out of date
#ukedchat
jodieworld 20:56
@julietteheppell that would be a real shame and the whole
community would suffer! #ukedchat
julietteheppell 20:56
@BobToms100 we've done this (small scale) in our dept and it's
been a HUGE success! #ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:56
@philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Yes, it's this aspect that's
important. Gov must talk to more than uni professors & retiredadvisors #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:56 Last few minutes for #ukedchat this evening.
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TonyPickford1 20:56
@debbisimpson: @simcloughlin apart from esafety ICT NC has
held up pretty well. tickbox approach out of date #ukedchat
Spot on!
eyebeams 20:56
@norfolkteacher1 Look at the marvellous STEM projects out there
e.g. http://t.co/GunxiSSd social velcro around learning #ukedchat
AndrewPollard7 20:56
@nightzookeeper Big discussion on this in #natcur rev. Centrallydetermined YoY constraining, but gd for home/sch lng locally.
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:56
@oldandrewuk @Paddymcgrath @andrewpollard7 I don't think I
said that - as a historian I'd disagree with that anyway. #ukedchat
NickiA10 20:56
@AndrewPollard7 Agreed but too often views of those very ppl are
ignored or it appears that way #ukedchat
jodieworld 20:56
@clairegowland That's exactly how I think it should be. Discrete for
teaching skills/coding etc & embed use of tools across curric
#ukedchat
Michael_Merrick 20:57
oh goodness - someone just used the phrase 'social velcro' in a non-
ironic sense #ukedchat
gsussex 20:57
#ukedchat I would be encouraged if reviewers & policy makers
visited countries referenced in person rather than relying on data
from others
chrisrat 20:57
RT @simcloughlin: @philallman1 @AndrewPollard7 Yes, it's this
aspect that's important. Gov must talk to more than uni professors
& retired advisors #ukedchat
asober 20:57
RT @ukedchat: #asechat takes over #ukedchat next week via
@viciascience. Poll now online - http://t.co/TUnxGI22
nightzookeeper 20:57
RT @AndrewPollard7: @nightzookeeper Big discussion on this in
#natcur rev. Centrally determined YoY constraining, but gd for
home/sch lng locally. #ukedchat
reallara 20:57 Won't quite make it to the end of #ukedchat Thanks all
TonyPickford1 20:57
RT @philallman1: @oldandrewuk @eyebeams @nightzookeeper
b/c of the lack of expertise which will worsen if not part of core.
#ukedchat
ethinking 20:57
#ukedchat has anyone watched Howard gardners 5 minds for the
future? Reassuring reminder of links between subject knowledge
and skills
NickiA10 20:57
RT @philallman1: Of course there are generic skills that can be
taught - we use them all the time in life. #ukedchat
ViciaScience 20:57
RT @ukedchat: #asechat takes over #ukedchat next week via
@viciascience. Poll now online - http://t.co/TUnxGI22
philallman1 20:57
Of course there are generic skills that can be taught - we use them
all the time in life. #ukedchat
PhilipEdmundson 20:57 @ukedchat Good stuff tonight! Many thanks.
geraldhaigh1 20:57
@philallman1 Anecdotal evidence is Ofsted surprisingly accepting
of thoughtful alternatives to apparently official line. Anyone?
#ukedchat
HilaryNunns 20:57@ethinking #ukedchat I couldn't agree more. Creative pedagogy isrequired
ruthyie 20:58 @Michael_Merrick #ukedchat Whassit mean? Sounds fun.
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philallman1 20:58
@AndrewPollard7 I don't expect to get it all my own way - just be
heard! #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:58 @ethinking can you post the link for this video? #ukedchat
lauwailap1 20:58
@nightzookeeper You do need subj specialists