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mamuka areSiZe:
sandro bregaZe:
#27 (261) 9 oqtomberi, 2013 weli gamodis oTxSabaTs E-mail: [email protected] fasi 1 lari
saqarTvelo evropuli ki ara romeliRac arabul qveyanas
ufro hgavs, sadac adamianebi xelisuflebaSi
mosvlisTanave momentalurad sulTnebi da Seixebi xdebian
okupirebuli regionTan dagegmili
provokaciebi SeiZleba ori
scenariT ganviTardes _ saomari
situacia awyobs saakaSvils, naxevrad
saomari _ nino burjanaZes
vin gaauqmebs saqarTveloSi `nacionalebis~
mier damyarebul axali tipis batonymobas?
Cven kvlav
gavagrZelebT
`qarTul ocnebaSi~
Canergili agentebis
mxilebas, rom
biZina ivaniSvils
simarTle
gavagebinoT, rogorc
es gia xuxaSvilis
SemTxvevaSi moxda
eliso kilaZe:
levan koWloSvili:vaWrobaqveyniT
daxalxiT!
mixeil saakaSvili da
nino burjanaZe
saqarTvelos winaaRmdeg
did provokacias gegmaven?
xom amboben,
27-Si
damTavrdeba
koabitaciao,
hoda, damTavrdes
da daviwyoT
samarTlianobis aRdgena!
ratom afarebs
xels axali
xelisufleba
yaCaRebis bandas,
romelmac
`kavkazus onlainis~
mflobels mamia sanadiraZes
80%-iani wili `aaxia~?
agents rom
giwodeben da
xmas ar amoiReb,
e.i. agenti xar!
saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.2
gazeTi xelmZRvanelobs Tavisufali presis principiT.SesaZloa, avtoris pozicia ar eTanxmebodes redaqciis azrs.informaciis sizusteze pasuxismgebelia avtori. gasaCivrebaSesaZlebelia masalis gamoqveynebidan erTi kviris vadaSi.
Semosuli masalebi avtorebs ar ubrundeba.aamm nniiSSnniiTT aaRRnniiSSnnuulliiaa ssaarreekkllaammoo mmaassaalleebbii..
`saerTo gazeTi~mmTTaavvaarrii rreeddaaqqttoorrii:: vvaaxxttaanngg xxaarrCCiillaavvaa
gamomcemeli: Sps sagamomcemlo centri `saerTo sityva~
mmiiss:: TTbbiilliissii,, aaRRmmaaSSeenneebblliiss 116644;;
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rogorc `saerTo ga-zeTis~ wina nomerSi vi-uwyebodiT, alasania daqarTuli jari natoSia,saqarTvelo ki jerje-robiT aqaa da saprezi-dento arCevnebisTvisemzadeba. saprezidentoarCevnebi ras gviSve-lis, magram radgan de-mokratiuli qveyanagvqvia, wesia aseTi _ ar-Cevnebi unda Catardesda prezidenti undaavirCioT. aba, magis ga-reSe rogor iqneba?
am saarCevno kampanias rom
vakvirdebi, raRac irealuri,
mistiuri situaciaa.
wesiT, axla saarCevno ci-
eb-cxelebisgan qveyana unda
duRdes da babanebdes, Tumca
msgavsi araferi xdeba _ sap-
rezidento kandidatebi lan-
debiviT dalaslaseben aqeT-
iqiT da ise uRimRamod da
uxalisod laparakoben, gego-
neba, prezidentoba ar undaT
da viRacebi aZalebeno.
TiTqos panaSvidze arian
da dardisgan damZimebulebs
laparakis Tavic ar aqvT.
arada, Tavidan energiulad
da omaxianad daiwyes, magram
uceb Sua gzaze yvelam erTd-
roulad daamuxruWa da davr-
CiT ase `datormuzebul~
mdgomareobaSi _ inerciiT win
gadaqanebulni da kiserwagde-
bulni.
ra mogividaT, Tqven, kaco,
raRac moigoneT, raRac mog-
vatyueT, raRac intriga Semo-
agdeT, Torem davrCebiT ase
gadakuzul pozaSi.
Tu ase gagrZelda, arCevne-
bis dRes xalxi arCevnebze
aRar mova da davrCebiT upre-
zidentod.
uprezidentobas kidev ga-
vuZlebT, magram upremierodac
rom vrCebiT, amas ra vuyoT?
mogexsenebaT, biZina ivaniS-
vili politikidan samoqalaqo
seqtorSi gadadis da iqedan
apirebs CvenTan erTad poli-
tikuri procesebis marTvas
da xelisuflebis gakontro-
lebas.
es xom ar aris, netav, ar-
Cevnebis wina periodSi dasad-
gurebuli am didi sayovel-
Tao-saxalxo mowyenilobis
mizezi _ ra azri aqvs prezi-
denti vin iqneba, ra azri aqvs
premier-ministris saxeli vis
erqmeva _ mainc erTma kacma,
biZina ivaniSvilma unda zidos
qveynis Wapani yvelas nacvlad
da yvelas magivrad.
arCevnebis dRe 27 oqtom-
beri, imiT ki ar aris RirsSe-
saniSnavi, rom axali prezi-
denti unda avirCioT, aramed,
pirvel yovlisa, imiT aris
gasaxareli, rom Zveli unda
wavides.
Zvels ki, rogorcCans, SiSi Seudga tan-Si da siyvarulze da-iwyo laparaki _ esaTaswlovani SuRlida mtroba maincada-mainc 27 oqtombers,Cemi prezidentobi-dan wasvlis dRes un-da davamTavroT daamieridan siyvaru-liT da siamtkbilo-biT vicxovroTo.
is ki ar uTqvams, ma-patieT me, codvils,mapatieT me, avazaks daaramzadas, rac Tqven-Tvis tkivili momiye-nebia, 27 oqtombersrom gadavdgebi, wa-val, TvaliT ar dage-naxvebiT, sadme senakSidaveyudebi berad, romdarCenili cxovreba
viloco da codvebigamovisyodo, cota xa-nSi isev ukan movbrun-debio, dagvpirda.
viTom araferi dauSavebia,
viTomc araferi momxdara, ise
arxeinad da utifrad gviyu-
rebda TvalebSi da siyvarul-
ze gvebaaseboda.
ki, batono, siyvaruli mar-
Tlac didebuli ram aris, mag-
ram jer saqarTvelos Seu-
racxyofisTvis agos pasuxi am
kacma da siyvarulze mere gve-
laparakos.
marTlac raRacirealuri, mistiuri,fantasmagoriulisituaciaa qveyanaSi.
TiTqosda cxadSi ki ara
sizmarSi xdeba es yvelaferi,
sizmarSi, sadac `qarTuli
ocnebis~ prezidentobis kan-
didati giorgi margvelaSvili
ki ara Salva ramiSvilia _
yvela telearxze Salvaa, yve-
la kiTxvas Salva pasuxobs,
yvelas nacvlad, maT Soris
margvelaSvilis nacvladac
Salva laparakobs.
kaci ifiqrebs, margvelaS-
vils am erTi Salvas garda
Tanamdgomi da mxardamWeri ar
hyavso.
sizmarSi xdeba, ra Tqma
unda, es ambebi, Torem cxadSi
rogor SeiZleba giorgi marg-
velaSvilis piar-menejeri saa-
kaSvilis yofili piari Salva
ramiSvili iyos?
Salvas margvelaSvilis
siyvarulze monopolia aqvs
gamocxadebuli da axlos ara-
vis akarebs _ emand, vinme ar
Cameziaros momavali prezi-
dentis mTavari veziris post-
zeo.
isic sizmaria, albaT, mar-
gvelaSvilis saarCevno kampa-
nias daviT saganeliZe rom
xelmZRvanelobs da `qarTul
ocnebaSi~ `palaJenias~ rom
ayenebs, Torem realur yofa-
Si saganeliZe `qarTul ocne-
baSi~ ratom unda iyos saer-
Tod?
sizmaria es yvelafe-ri _ es koabitaciacsizmaria, `nacionale-biT~ gadaWedili spor-
tis sasaxlec sizmaria,siyvarulze moWikWikesaakaSvilic sizmaria,Salva ramiSvilis piar-menejerobac da sagane-liZis `ocnebistobac~sizmaria, sapreziden-to arCevnebic sizmariada rac am sizmris Sem-deg moxdeba, isic sizma-ria.
sizmris qveyanSi vcx-ovrobT, sizmarSi varTCaTbunebul-CaTvle-milni da imdenad gag-vitkba iq yofna, romgaRviZeba da Tvalis ga-xela gvezareba.
vaxtang xarCilava
redaqtoris gverdi
3#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi
ucnauri ram moxda qarTul
realobaSi, pativsacemi profesia
`Jurnalisti~ Tvalsa da xel-
Sua gadaiqca `matyuaras~ sinoni-
mad. Jurnalistebis misamarTiT
manamde kuluarulad moaruli
Sefaseba `pagoniani Jurnaliste-
bi~, xmamaRla pirvelad 2010
wlis maisSi, kostavas quCaze,
televiziis Senobis win batoni
levan gaCeCilaZisgan gavige. max-
sovs, ambobda, teritoriaze Se-
momsvleli Jurnalistebis akre-
ditacia unda xdebodes, `pagoni-
ani Jurnalistebi~ dezinforma-
cias avrcelebeno.
swrafad gavida dro da move-
diT dRevandel dromde, Tumca
dro mxolod gavida, daviwyebas
ar miscemia. amdenad, dRevandeli
agresia guSin-guSinwin `varde-
bis revoluciis~ gariJraJze
Seqmnil-Sobili Jurnalistebis
mimarT mTlad gasakviric ar un-
da iyos.
diax, batoni premieri, SeiZ-
leba, zog sakiTxSi marTlac ar
brZandeboda JurnalistebTan mi-
marTebaSi marTali, rodesac
Jurnalistur sferoSi iWrebo-
da, magram farTo sazogadoebam
es aspeqti arafrad Caagdo erTi
martivi mizezis gamo, Zlivs na-
xes erTi kaci, romelic yovel-
droebis ratomRac gafufunebul
Jurnalistebs raRacnairi for-
miT mainc datuqsavda.
brauns hqonia gamoTqma `Jur-
nalistika mtrobis fulad ga-
daqcevis xelovnebaao~ _ netav,
braunis es gamoTqma icodnen
dRevandelma e. w `elitarulma
Jurnalistebma~ Tu TviTon mi-
vidnen am daskvnamde? asea Tu
ise, eWvia, rom swored amitom
daewyoT `Tavs lafis dasxma~...
pirad azrebs gverdze gadav-
deb, sakmarisze metia naTqvami.
ganze gavdgebi, mxolod aRvniS-
nav, rom sawyenia, roca profesia
`Jurnalisti~ ilanZReba...
`es is Wur(a) nalistebi ari-
an, vinc `gnacanalebis~ piariT
iyvnen dakavebulnbi. es dezin-
formator-propagandistebi is
ruporebi arian, vinc mosaxleo-
bas tyuilSi acxovrebda; vinc
daxvretebs amarTlebda; vinc wa-
gebul oms mogebulad asaRebda.
mokled, es naZiralebi, rogorc
damnaSaveebi, unda Camoscildnen
medias~.
`ise, rac biZinam Jurnalis-
tebisa da eqspertebis `jiryvna-
Si~ dro da energia daxarja, es
dro biznesSi rom daexarja, mo-
gebuli fuliT axal Jurnalis-
tebs da eqspertebs iyidda da
problemac Cka!~
`qarTuli `Wurnalistikis~
marad kaSkaSa varskvlavze, inga
grigoliaze mogaxsenebT, romel-
mac ise Cagvitara sakuTari Ta-
vis morigi `rebrendingi~, vi-
Tomc araferi. morigi, radgan
`imedis~ darbevis Semdeg araer-
Txel garebrendgingda `samtre-
dieli konkia~ da `Wurnalisti-
kaSi~ dabrunda!.. ager, axlac,
ise utifrad dagvibrunda `tv-3-
iT~ viTom `galstukiani xvli-
kis~, giorgi TargamaZis `qdm-s~
deputati Tbilisis sakrebulo-
Si da iqedan imave xvlikis favo-
riti maJoritari kandidati me
viyavi SarSandeli 1 oqtombris
arCevnebSi.
dagvibrunda da _ sada xarT
is biWebi 17 maiss sawyal pede-
rastebs rom dasdevdiT tabu-
retkian mRvdlebTan erTad, ra-
tom ar midixarT dicSi ruseTis
okupaciis gasaprotesteblado,
erTad dagvamunaTa saqarTvelos
marTlmadidebeli eklesia da is
xalxi, vinc verasdros davuS-
vebT pederastebis paradebs sa-
qarTveloSi da Tavad iTava
`patriotuli aqciis~ mowyoba
konfliqtis zonaSi!
hoda, aqa varT qabato-jan,
aqa!~
`saqarTvelos eklesiac, rom-
lis saWeTmpyrobels kargad es-
mis, rom ruseTTan urapatrio-
tuli saprotesto aqciebiT ve-
rafers gavxdebiT da `is biWe-
bic~ aq viqnebiT, inga-jan da xva-
lac igive pasuxs miiReben pede-
rastebi, rac guSin miiRes _ da-
savleTSi ukve damTavrda gei-pa-
radebis aRlumebis bumi da axla
erTsqesiani qorwinebebis dakano-
nebis paradebi daiwyo!
igives ver eRirsebiT saqarT-
veloSi!
axlaa da, biZina ivaniSvils
is SesCivla, ratom daixura eka
kvesitaZis da daviT paiWaZis
Toq-Souebio? _ mokled, Tavis
stiqiaSia `samtredieli konki-
a~...
da saerTod, biZina ivaniSvi-
lis dRevandeli Sous Semyures,
sadac, ZiriTadad, liberasti
`Wurnalistebi~ iyvnen miwveul-
ni, romelTac raRac eTikis Tu
sxva sirobis qartiaze aqvT xe-
li mowerili, erTi azri gamiCn-
da _ visac pirvel rigSi pede-
rastebis ki ara, samSobloze,
qarTveli kacis uflebebze Segv-
tkiva guli, Cvenc, aseTma Jurna-
listebma xom ar SevimuSavoT
raRac erovnuli qartiis msgavsi
da mis garSemo gaverTiandeT?!
iqneb, maSin mainc dagvdon pa-
tivi da msgavs Sexvedrebze dag-
viZaxon raTa Sin da gareT yve-
lam gaigos, rom liberastebis
garda, sxva, erovnulad moaz-
rovne Jurnalistebic varT sa-
qarTveloSi!!!~
`sjobs kohabitaciasa naZrax-
sa, mijiryvna saxelovani!~
`Jurnalistebo, Tqve tlue-
booo... miSam dakarga amxela te-
ritoria da ratom miSas ar us-
vamdiT mag kiTxvebs? didi xania
tyuilad qebaSi fuli ar agiRi-
aT? rogor dasdevdiT miSas mak-
ratliT da tribuniT rom dar-
boda? _ biZinas gakeTebulze?
unamusoebi xarT da meti arafe-
ri... seirobT am situaciaze, rac
dRes xdeba, axla... ar gadardebT
Tqven ruseTis qmedeba. diax,
zustad _ seirobT... inga grigo-
lia, ra mdabio xar _ es Sens in-
tonaciaSic Cans, saubarSic. Se-
ni fsiqo-portreti Seqmnilia,
ar gegonos, rom ver vigebdeT.
miSam gayida mTeli saqarTvelo
arabebze, indoelebze, Cinelebze,
es ruseTis mavTulxlarTebic
miSas qmedebis rezultatia _
500 sofeli dakarga 2008-Si...
axla dgaxarT da am adamians,
romelmac gixsnaT gaupatiure-
bisgan, cemisgan, SiSidan da daC-
morebidan, imis magivrad, rom
fexis xmas ahyveT da mivxedoT
qveyanas, Casafrebulebi xarT...
gamyidvelebi xarT da zed gawe-
riaT. xalxi rom ixoceboda ci-
xeebSi, grigolia, da quCaSi,
dRisiT, mzisiT, biWebs xocavd-
nen, sad egde maSin? _ `egde~,
egvipteSi, `zagars~ iRebdi mag
maxinj sifaTze...~
`afsus, alistraxo... sad iya-
vi Seni legendaruli kiTxviT
`vin gafinansebT?~ _ mere vnaxav-
di biZinas gaCumebuls, Tan kidev
bevrjer rom hkiTxavdi `vin ga-
finansebs?~
`Jurnalistebis nawili pre-
mieris toniT ukmayofiloao...
mamacxonebulebo, cxra weliwadi
gexvewebodiT sakuTari uflebebi
da profesionalizmi daicaviT-
Tqo da araaa, vazelingadasmule-
bi darbodiT `maRliukanalSi~
da... axla aRar mogwonT premie-
ris toni, xo?!~
`rogor Semoinaxavs istoria
inga grigolias JurnalistikaSi
moRvaweobas _ mas ratomRac
hgonia, rom xma, romelic Rmer-
Tisgan da dambadeblisgan aqvs
miniWebuli, aucileblad yviri-
liT saubrisTvis unda gamoiye-
nos, Tumca aviwydeba, rom misi
xmis aravis eSinia da misi es da-
yenebili toni mxolod mis uzr-
delobaze metyvelebs. es aris
qali, romelmac fulze gayida
sindisi, wesiereba da is wlebi,
rodesac mayurebels moswonda,
rogorc Jurnalisti. SantaJze
wavida miSas Zaladobis gamo (an
iyo Zaladoba, an ara) da misgan
maqsimumi moiTxova. ase daiwyo
Savi laqis gavleba mis cxovre-
baSi. iqneb undoda kidec es Sa-
vi laqa? _ popularobas kargav-
da da axali imiji, Tundac es
cudi yofiliyo, mis kidev er-
Txel warmoCinebas Seuwyobda
xels. ras warmoadgens sinamdvi-
leSi grigolia. is yovelTvis
ipyrobda mayureblis yuradRebas
da telesivrcis eTers (Tumca
arc aris gasakviri, is xom nanu-
ka JorJolianis megobaria da ma-
Ti ambicia Zalian didze garbo-
da yovelTvis, erTgan CaiZire-
bodnen da meore mxares amoyvin-
Tavdnen da amas, yvelafers inga
SantaJiT, xolo nanuka fuliT
akeTebda). ingas ambiciuroba im-
denad didi iyo yovelTvis, rom
man politikaSic ki mosinja Za-
lebi, giorgi TargamaZes `amoud-
ga~ gverdiT _ esec, miSas reko-
mendaciiT... viTom opoziciaSi Ca-
udga `nacionalur moZraobas~,
rogorc qristian-demokrati. si-
namdvileSi, yvelam kargad icis,
rasac warmoadgenda es partia
parlamentSi.
mokled, me aseT daskvnamde
mivedi, grigolia nacebis mier
aris Segzavnili JurnalistikaSi
agentad.
`yvelaze metad iciT, ram
`momxibla~ da damaRebina piri
gaocebisgan? – premierTan `Wi-
dilidan~ gamosuli Jurnalis-
tebi saRamos erTxmad rom acxa-
debdnen, rogor gvitevda biZinao.
mTeli laSqriT misulebs erTi
kaci Tu gitevdaT da gavimeoreb,
ase ostaturad `CagxadaT~, war-
momidgenia, marto rom rCebodiT
miSas reJimis zonder-monebTan,
ra `xalisiT~ xdeboda es aqti...
anu `Setevisa~ da `danebebis~ aq-
ti... sircxvilia, cota dafiqr-
diT, ras laparakobT...~
`Jurnalistebi, romelTac
agvistos omis dros erTi sap-
rotesto sityva ar dascdeniaT
da wagebuli omi mogebulad ga-
moacxades... Jurnalistebma, ro-
melTac `strategiul svlad~
Seafases wagebuli omis koncer-
tiT aRniSvna... Jurnalistebma,
romelTac, raki 7 noembersa da
26 maiss (sxva drosac) aranaci-
onaluri sisxli daiRvara, am
sisxlis mflobeli adamianebi
`bomJebad~ monaTles... Jurnalis-
tebi, romeltavc gaamarTles
girgvlianis da sxvaTa mkvlelo-
ba, qonebis CamorTmeva biznesmene-
bisTvis (sxva Temaa, rogor moi-
poves es qoneba da isic sxva Te-
maa, kanons arRvevdnen Tu ara)...
Jurnalistebi, romeltac gamo-
xatuli pozicia aqvT da am po-
ziciis gamo es Jurnalistebi
direqtivebs da fuls xan visgan
iRebdnen da da xan visgan droi-
sa da garemoebebis Sesabamisad
(megis qardavas, daTa axalaiasa
da soso TofuriZes Tavi rom
daaverbovkebines, im Jurnaliste-
bis...) ukacravad da fostalio-
nebi rad arian? fostalionoba
cudi saqmea? Caxdil, Casvril
aTasgzis gayiduls xmas rom
amoaRebineb, kiTxvas daasmevineb
da pasuxsac gascem, mere, Sengan
wasuli kidev Sen rom mogdgeba
da glanZRavs, Sen vin xar am
dros da ras erCi fostalions
rogorc aseTs? mere ra, rom ke-
Tili fostalionebi istorias
Cabardnen...
ho, marTla, `imedSi~ spec-
razmi rom Sevida da inga grigo-
liam `meSinia rame rom vTqva,
Svili myavs da gamiubedureben~
poziciidan saxalxo damcvel
sozar subars, ra moxda `imed-
Si~, amis Sesaxeb axsna-ganmarte-
ba rom ar dauwera, axla, 2013
wels rom aprotestebs 2009
wels gavlebul mavTulxlar-
Tebs, aRar eSinia?... arc erTi
guSin mijiryvnuli Jurnalisti
araa fostalioni da Tavi daane-
beT keTil fostalions, yovel
dRe rom dadioda Cveni soflis
Saragzaze da bebosTvis xan pen-
sia, xan `ciskari~ da xan `mnaTo-
bi~ rom mohqonda...~
inga grigoliam da nino Ji-
JilaSvilma erTmaneTSi gaarkvi-
on damamcirebelia Tu ara Jur-
nalistis fostalionTan gaigive-
ba, Cven ki isRa dagvrCenia, vi-
kiTxoT: romelia is sufTa Jur-
nalisti, romelic kowia fosta-
lioniviT aRiarebs sakuTar wil
danaSauls?
`me daviwye omi, me, Tqve
uRmerToebo, _ Tqva CurCuliT
kowiam da Tavi sinanuliT daiq-
nia. me daviwye omi, mezoblebo...
kesaria soselia, adeqi Tu xar
krebaze... vin Segxvda pirvelad
sofelSi da vin iyo is kaci, ro-
melmac giTxra, omi daiwyoo...~
qarTuli Jurnalistikis deg-
radirebuli saxe srulad ar iyo
warmodgenili im JurnalistebiT,
premiers rom esxdnen im dRes
win da raRacas edavebodnen, mag-
ram vinc isxdnen, an Semdeg ko-
mentarebs akeTebdnen, maTi danax-
vac sakmarisi. `kavkasiis~ pirda-
pir eTerSi axalgazrdebis dapa-
timreba, `modelirebuli qroni-
ka~, `vardebis revoluciisTvis
niadagis Semzadeba da Semdgom
gapiareba~, mkvlelobebis `gaTeT-
reba~, dapatimrebebis Souebad
qceva, sxvis ubedurebaze siuJe-
tebis darqmeva da a. S. SeniRbu-
li saxelebis avtorebi, yvelani
is fostalionebi arian, romle-
bic arafriT hgvanan araTu kowia
fostalions, monanie adamianebs _
piradi interesebidan gamomdina-
re, Savi rom TeTrad gamohyav-
daT, an piriqiT da axlac imaves
akeTeben, maTze ukeT vin icis?
nodar lomjaria
`pagoniani~ Jurnalistebi,
samtredieli `konkia~
anu mijiryvnilebi
romelia is sufTa Jurnalisti,
romelic kowia fostalioniviT
aRiarebs sakuTar wil danaSauls?
4 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
amaswinaT klub `jazuSi~
mimiwvies. Sexvedris dawye-
bamde gareT videqi da siga-
rets veweodi.
uceb ori `jipi~ movarda.
erT-erTi manqanidan oTxi
aTleturi aRnagobis axal-
gazrda gadmoxta, meore
`jips~ Semoertynen garSemo,
Tan gaiwieT gaiwieTo, _ yvi-
rodnen da avad abrialebdnen
Tvalebs.
_ ra xdeba, netav? aseTi
vin movida-meTqi? _ gavifiq-
re.
gavixede da ras vxedav _
manqanidan erTi parlamenta-
ri gadmovida, medidurad
dagvikra Tavi da dacvis Tan-
xlebiT klubSi SebrZanda.
gavogndi.
am parlamentars didi xa-
nia vicnob.
sanam gaparlamentardebo-
da, erTi keTili, yvelasTvis
sayvareli, uSualo da gul-
Ria biWi iyo.
yofili sportsmenia es
ymawvili, rom moindomos,
erT xuT kacs galaxavs mar-
to, Tumca, rogorc giTxa-
riT, axla dacviT dadis.
visgan an risgan icavs es
dacva am parlamentars, sain-
teresoa.
erTi rigiTi parlamenta-
ria, zis Cumad sxdomebze da
xmas ar iRebs, Tumca sanam
parlamentSi Sevidoda, Za-
lian erovnuls awveboda da
oRond amirCieT da amas vi-
zam da imas vizamo, _ iqad-
neboda.
daujeres, airCies da ax-
la dacviT garSemortymuli
dadis _ emand, axlos ar mi-
vides vinme da ar Seawuxos.
yvelafers rom Tavi dava-
neboT, im oTx mutruksac
xom rCena unda, manqanasac
xom sawvavi Wirdeba, yvela-
feri es ki sakmaod did
xarjs moiTxovs, romelsac
biujetidan, anu Cveni jibi-
dan vixdiT.
erTi kaci avirCieT Cven-
da Wirad da xuTis rCena da
Senaxva gvWirdeba.
es parlamentari gamonak-
lisi xom ar aris _ magis-
Tana 150 gvyavs kidev, im
asormocdaaTsac Tavisi dac-
va hyavs, yvelas manqana emsa-
xureba, manqanebs sawvavis
Casxma sWirdeba, iqiT sate-
lefono momsaxurebis xar-
jebi da kidev aTasi wvril-
mani da msxvilmani xarjia.
cxadia, yvelaferi es Cve-
ni gadasaxdelia.
parlamentarebsmTavrobac davuma-toT Tavis minist-rebianad. ministrismoadgileebianad,
d e p a r t a m e n t e b i sufrosebianad, gan-yofilebebis gamgee-bianad da, ra Tqmaunda, dacvis wevre-bianad _ uzarmaza-ri xarjebia, milio-nebia, rasac, ra Tqmaunda, Cven vixdiT.
Cveno, rom vambobT, barem
isic gavarkvioT, vin varT
Cven, am milionebs rom vix-
diT da amden muqTamWamels
rom vinaxavT?
vin varT da gaZvaltyave-
buli, naxevrad mSieri masa,
saidanac naxevari milioni
siRaribis zRvars qvemoT
cxovrobs, anu proletaria,
erTi milioni _ siRaribis
zRvarzea, anu proletaro-
bis kandidatia, 800000-mde
pensioneria, danarCenebi qvey-
nidan arian gaqceulebi.
ai, es varT Cven, Tavad
mSivrebi xelisuflebaSi
myofi sapatio gvamebis maZR-
rad da fufunebiT cxovre-
bas rom uzrunvelvyofT.
wesiT da rigiT, xeli-
sufleba xalxs unda emsaxu-
rebodes, qarTul sinamdvi-
leSi ki piriqiTaa _ xalxi
emsaxureba xelisuflebas da
ukanasknel groSebs debs
imisTvis, rom xelisuflebam
icxovros gancxromiT.
raRac axali ti-pis batonymobaa _Cven ymebi, anu xalxiimisTvis varsebobT,imisTvis vwvalobTda vjaxirobT, rombatonebs, anu saxe-
lmwifo moxeleebsda politikur eli-tas sarCo-sabadebe-li uxvad davayaroTTavze da sakalandoRorebiviT davasu-qoT.
ai, es aris Turme erTa-
derTi Cveni wmidaTawmida
movaleoba, Cveni arsebobis
erTaderTi daniSnuleba.
batonymobao ki vTqviT
zemoT, Tumca is, rac dRes
saqarTveloSi xdeba, batony-
mobaze gacilebiT amoralu-
ri da cinikuria.
* * *
batonymobis axal qar-
Tul variants safuZveli
2004 wels `nacmoZraobam~
Cauyara, roca saxelisuflo
`verxuSkas~ xelisuflebis
saSualo da qveda rgols da
saerTod, sabiujeto organi-
zaciebs mkveTrad gauzarda
xelfasebi da, amasTan erTad,
saSualeba misca, faqtobri-
vad, SeuzRudavad esargeb-
laT e.w. premialuri danama-
tebiT.
aravin Seuwuxebia sin-
diss imis gamo, rom es yve-
laferi im gadamxdelebis
xarjze unda momxdariyo,
romelTa umravlesobis Se-
mosavali 200-300 lars ar
aRemateboda, es im dros,
roca biurokratiuli apara-
tis, ministrebis, maTi moad-
gileebis da sxva maRalCi-
nosnebis xelfasebi Tavisi
premialuri danamatebiT 15-
jer aRemateboda moqalaqeTa
saSualo xelfass.
`nacmoZraobam~ imazec iz-
runa, rom gansakuTrebiT
kmayofili hyoloda Zalismi-
eri struqturebi _ poli-
cia, specsamsaxurebi, kudi,
sodi da kidev uamravi sxva
struqtura.
amgvari midgomis dastu-
ria Tundac is, rom rigiTi
policielis xelfasi TiTq-
mis orjer meti iyo pedago-
gis xelfasze.
bevri rom ar gavagrZelo,
`nacmoZraobam~ Seqmna e.w.
privilegirebulTa `kasta~,
sakmaod mravalricxovani,
uxvad dafinansebuli kasta,
romlis wevrebic uamravi si-
keTiT sargeblobdnen.
`nacmoZraoba~ _es iyo saxelmwifosaxelmwifoSi.
ufro naTlad rom
vTqvaT, `nacmoZraobam~ Ta-
visTvis calke saxelmwifo
Seqmna, yovelmxriv keTil-
mowyobili saxelmwifo maRa-
li xelfasebiT, aTasgvari
SeRavaTebiT, komfortuli
yofiT, mdidruli saxlebiT,
ZviradRirebuli manqanebiT,
elitaruli maRaziebiT da
marketebiT, elitaruli res-
tornebiT da klubebiT, sa-
banko qseliT, sastumroebiT,
saunebiT, bordelebiT, sa-
vaWro da biznes-centrebiT.
es saxelmwifo da misi
`sazRvrebi~ saimedod iyo
daculi policiis kordone-
biT, specsamsaxurebiT, saja-
riso nawilebis specialuri
qvedanayofebiT, zonderbri-
gadebiT.
am saxelmwifosparalelurad sa-qarTveloSi arse-bobda meore saxelm-wofoc, saxelmwifoki ara geto, koncla-geri, rezervacia`meorexarisxovani~Tu `mesamexarisxo-vani~ moqalaeebisT-vis, mSieri da Rata-ki qarTuli prole-tariatisTvis, cr-emliT, uilajobiT,gaWirvebiT, uufle-bobiT gatanjulisaxelmwifo, im pir-veli saxelmwifosprivilegirebuli
vin gaauqmebs saqarTveloSi `nacionalebis~
mier damyarebul axali tipis batonymobas?batono biZina, sanam waxvidodeT, erTi
minirevolucia mainc moawyveT, es muqTaxorebis
armia mogvaSoreT da mere wabrZandiT
vaxtang xarCilava
5saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
kastis mier dapyro-bili.
`nacmoZraobisa~ da saa-
kaSvilis kerZo sakuTrebaSi
arsebuli mdidrulad gawyo-
bili `saxelmwifos~ mTavari
`donori~ da `sponsori~ Ra-
ribebis is meore saxelmwi-
fo iyo, romelsac cxrapi-
rad aZrobil tyavs meaTed
aZrobdnen.
Tu SevardnaZis dros fu-
li gzaSi ikargeboda da bi-
ujetis yulabamde ver aR-
wevda, saakaSvilis periodSi
taqtika Seicvala _ fuli
biujetSi srulad ki Sedio-
da, magram biujetidan misi
xarjva, faqtobrivad, ukon-
trolod xdeboda.
dadgenilia, rom `nacmoZ-
raobis~ mmarTvelobis bolo
wlebSi biujetidan yovelw-
liurad 900 milioni gaedi-
neboda gaurkveveli mimarTu-
lebiT.
ai, ase movediT 2012
wlis oqtombris saparlamen-
to arCevnebamde.
am arCevnebSi `qarTuli
ocnebis~ gamarjvebis Semdeg
gaCnda imedi, rom daiwyeboda
revoluciuri reformebis,
Zireuli cvlilebebis Jami,
magram, Cvenda samwuxarod,
es molodini ar gamarTlda.
* * *
_ sistema unda daingres!
_ aseTi iyo `nacmoZraobis~
cxrawliani mmarTvelobiT
ukmayofilo adamianebis mTa-
vari moTxovna, Tumca axal
xelisuflebas sistemis Zir-
fesviani Secvla da misi de-
montaJi arc ucdia.
SeiZleba vivaraudoT,
rom axal xelisuflebas Se-
eSinda, sistemis demontaJs
saxelmwifo Senobis sruli
ngreva ar gamoewvia.
arsebobs realuri safr-
Txe droTa ganmavlobaSi axa-
li xelisuflebac Zvels da-
emsgavsos, Tumca, modiT, am
wuTas Tavi davaneboT am Te-
mas da gagebiT movekidoT
axali xelisuflebis taqti-
kas da strategias imasTan
dakavSirebiT, rom mkveTri
ryevebi did riskTan aris
dakavSirebuli da, amdenad,
sjobs sistemuri cvlilebe-
bi TandaTan, nabij-nabij evo-
luciuri gziT ganxorciel-
des.
ki, batono, aRviWurvoT
moTminebiT da viaroT evo-
luciuri gziT, Tumca, sa-
kiTxavia, ratom ar gadadga
axalma xelisuflebam dResve
is nabijebi, romlebic ar sa-
Wiroebda materialur dana-
xarjebs, ar Seicavda serio-
zul riskebs da romelTa
gadadgmas erTaderTi ram
politikuri neba,sWirdebo-
da?
* * *
_ Cven unda avaSenoT ev-
ropuli yaidis saxelmwifo!
_ Cveni mTavari mizani ev-
ropasTan integraciaa!
_ Cven evropuli ojaxis
nawili varT!
msgavsi xasiaTis gancxa-
debebi xSirad ismoda wina
xelisuflebisgan da xSirad
ismis axlisganac, Tumca re-
aloba, romelSic vcxov-
robT, ufro arabuli da
aziuri saxelmwifoebis rea-
lobas hgavs.
Zneli saTqmelia, iseTi
ra seni sWirT da ra emarTe-
baT am qarTvelebs, ase Tu
ise mniSvnelovani Tanamdebo-
bis dakavebis Semdeg uceb
rom gadasxvaferdebian da
sulTnebs da Seixebs rom em-
sgavsebian?
didkacobis iseTi ra Wia
gvizis gul-gvamSi, erTi
mtkaveliT rom aviweviT da
imwamsve medidurad da qed-
maRlurad rom gadmovxedavT
sakuTar qveyanas da sakuTar
xalxs?
provincializmis, gauna-
Tleblobis, Sinagani sicari-
elis, xepreobis da gonebaC-
lungobis bralia es yvela-
feri, Tumca mizezi mxolod
es ar aris.
sxvas ras unda elodo
idiotisgan, romelsac sawya-
li pensioneris pensiaze 40-
jer (!) met xelfass dauniS-
nav, 80000 dolarad Rire-
bul manqanaSi Casvam, Sig
benzins Causxam, dacvas miu-
Cen da ZalauflebiT aRWur-
vav?
amiT xom mas pirdapir
uTxres, Sen idioti ki ara
sinamdvileSi didi, gansa-
kuTrebuli vinme xar da gan-
sakuTrebul mopyrobas imsa-
xurebo.
viTom evropisken rom
mivdivarT da evropelobas
rom vCemulobT, erTi evro-
pul qveynebSi naxeT, rogor
aris es sakiTxi gadawyveti-
li da mere Cvensas SeadareT.
evropelebi maSin viqne-
biT, Cveni ministrebi evrope-
li ministrebiviT saqalaqo
transportSi rom ikadreben
Cajdomas.
Tumca es TavisiT araso-
des moxdeba, Tu saxelmwi-
fom ar aamuSava Sesabamisi
berketebi da Cvengan daqira-
vebuli moxele Cven ar mog-
visva gverdiT da Cven Tu ar
gagviTanabra.
saerTod, vinmem is Tu
daiangariSa, raSi sWirdeba
am erTi xelisdadeba qveyanas
Tavisi 4-milioniani mosax-
leobiT amdeni `momsaxure
personali~, amdeni Wkuis
damrigebeli da gezis mimce-
mi, amdeni `kvalificiuri~
politikuri organizacia,
romlebic aseve Cveni jibi-
dan iTxoven dafinansebas?
privilegirebuli kasta
vaxsene zemoT.
es privilegirebuli Cvens
sisxls dawafebuli parazi-
tuli kasta, rogorc
vTqviT, saakaSvils da `nac-
moZraobas~ imisTvis sWirde-
boda, rom biujetis xarjze,
Cvens xarjze, sakuTari Za-
laufleba ganemtkicebinaT.
rogor davido codva da
rogor vTqva, rom axalma xe-
lisuflebamac imitom ar ax-
lo xeli am privilegirebul
kastas, rom isic masze day-
rdnobiT apirebs qveynis mar-
Tvas?
xanxadan iseTiSTabeWdileba mrCe-ba, rom koalicia`qarTuli ocnebis~erTi nawili iqiT,meore, `nacmoZrao-bisa~ da saakaSvi-lis mier Seqmnilmdidar da maZRarsaxelmwifoSi gada-bargda sacxovreb-
lad da `naciona-lebs~ CaesiZa Tu `Ca-ubrat-Causastav-da~, xolo Rarib-Ra-takTa da upovarTasaxelmwifos, ro-melmac xelisufle-baSi moiyvana, zurgiaqcia da uRalata.
`ocnebelebo~, gaxsovT,
`nacebis~ saxelmwifom Tqve-
ni Zarcva da dayaCaReba rom
daiwyo, am meore, namdvili
qarTuli saxelmwifos Rarib
moqalaqeebs bolo xuTlari-
ani Tu bolo aTlariani rom
SehqondaT `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ mxardasaWerad gaxsnil
angariSebze?
Tqven, ai, am meore qarTu-
li saxelmwifos moqalaqeeb-
ma agirCies TavianT winam-
ZRolad, im imediT, rom sa-
marTlianobas aRadgendiT da
Cagrulebs mCagvrelTa uR-
lidan gaaTavisuflebdiT.
`nacebis~ privilegire-
bul kastas `meocnebeTa~
privilegirebuli kasta dae-
mata, qarTul proletariats
ki cxovreba kidev ufro ga-
uWirda da daumZimda.
ai, aseTia samwuxaro rea-
loba, biZina ivaniSvili ki
politikidan midis.
batono biZina,sanam waxvidodeT,iqneb erTi `minire-volucia~ mainc mo-gewyoT, es parazi-tebi gagekulakebi-naT da mere wasu-liyaviT, Torem sa-qarTvelos qala-qebsa Tu soflebSimale SeiZleba gais-mas `aRsdeq krul-viTa daRdasmulo,qveyanav, mSier mone-bis~.
P.S. wweerriillss rroomm TTvvaallii
ggaaddaavvaavvllee,, mmiivvxxvvddii,, wweerriillii
11991177 wwlliiss ooqqttoommbbrriiss pprroo-
lleettaarruull rreevvoolluucciiaammddee ddaa-
wweerriillss hhggaavvss..
ra vqna, ra viRo-no, am `saerTo ga-zeTs~ `iskra~ xom ardavarqva, rom am day-ruebul xalxs ra-Rac gavagebino daSevasmino.
saqarTvelo evropuli ki ara romeliRac
arabul qveyanas ufro hgavs,
sadac adamianebi xelisuflebaSi
mosvlisTanave momentalurad
sulTnebi da Seixebi xdebian
6 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa eeqqssppeerrttii
kkaavvkkaassiiiiss ssaakkiiTTxxeebbSSii
mamuka areSiZe::
__ bbaattoonnoo mmaammuukkaa,, aaxxaallii xxeellii-
ssuufflleebbiiss mmoossvvlliiddaann eerrTTii wweellii
ggaavviiddaa.. rraa SSeessrruullddaa rreeaalluurraadd,,
rraa __ vveerraa ddaa rraa ggaaggrrZZeelleebbaa SSee-
iiZZlleebbaa hhqqoonnddeess aamm yyvveellaaffeerrss??
_ Zalian rom mogendomebina,
rTuli iqneboda imis gakeTeba,
rac ivaniSvilma da ufro metad
`qarTulma ocnebam~ reitingis
dacemis kuTxiT moaxerxes. para-
doqsi isaa, rom verc imas ityvi,
TiTqos ivaniSvils araferi gau-
keTebia, bevri ram gaakeTa, magram
zog SemTxvevaSi, fuWad.
magaliTad keTilSobiluri saqme
gakeTda, roca glexebs miwebi mo-
uxnes, zogi miwa 20-30 weli mo-
uxnavi iyo. magram saqme sxva ra-
meSia _ miwebi moxnes, ase vTqvaT,
yamiri gatexes, magram amas Semd-
gom kultivacia sWirdeboda, rac
ar gakeTebula. amitom es Tanxa
wyalSi Caiyara. jer sakiTxis
Seswavla, mokvleva unda momxda-
riyo, raTa gaerkviaT _ konkre-
tul glexs SemdgomSi SeeZlo
Tu ara miwisTvis ise moevlo,
rom mosavali moeyvana. saintere-
so isaa, rom rig raionebSi, sa-
soflo-sameurneo daniSnulebis
miwebs glexebi saZovrebad iyeneb-
dnen. mTavrobam ki mouxna, kul-
tivacia ver moxerxda da saZova-
ric ganadgurda. anu kargi saqmis
keTebis survili iyo, magram ver
ganxorcielda. magaliTad, eqs-
pertebTan Sexvedrisas ivaniS-
vilma aRniSna, rom 209 qarxana
gaxsna. yvela qarxanaze xeli ar
migviwvdeba, magram 46 qarxnis
SemTxveva amoviReT, aqedan rva,
romelic aRmosavleT saqarTve-
loSi _ qvemo qarTlSia, Seva-
mowmebine. am rvidan oTxi isedac
muSaobda, oris adgilze rogorc
adre iyo, iseTive mindori dagv-
xvda, marto oris SemTxvevaSi
iyo mSenebloba dawyebuli. anu
209 sawarmo ukve marTali ar
aris, magram mas aseT informaci-
as awvdian. Tamriko WoxoneliZe
misi ojaxis wevria, beras naT-
liaa da man ivaniSvils urCia _
glaxunas tansacmeli Caicvi,
qveyana Semoiare da naxe, sinamd-
vileSi ra keTdebao. qarxnebis
nawili isev Canasaxis mdgomareo-
baSia, nawili isedac muSaobda da
ubralod damatebiTi sesxi mii-
Res. es sesxic iciT vin miiRo?
_ visac isedac gamarTuli war-
moeba hqonda, anu `nacionaleb-
Tan~ daaxloebulma pirebma.
__ iivvaanniiSSvviillii SSeexxvvddaa rrooggoorrcc
eeqqssppeerrtteebbss,, iissee JJuurrnnaalliisstteebbss..
rraaiimmee kkoonnkkrreettuullii SSeeddeeggii TTuu
hhqqoonnddaa aamm SSeexxvveeddrreebbss??
_ Sexvedridan mesame dRes mi-
viRe dokumenti imis Sesaxeb, Tu
ras dahpirda xelisufleba mo-
saxleobas da ra Seasrula. xom
SeiZleboda es dokumenti aqamde
mimeRo, maincdamainc xelCarTuli
brZola unda gamarTuliyo amis
misaRwevad? anu komunikacia araa,
sazogadoebam ar icis, ra, rogor
keTdeba, ar xdeba amis Sefaseba.
Se kai dedmamiSvilo, gaakeTe ise,
rom yvelam yvelaferi icodes da
xalxi procesebSi CarTuli iyos.
ase sazogadoeba ufro iolad ga-
mogyveba. Tu xalxs pasuxismgeb-
loba ar gaunawile, igi momxma-
rebeli xdeba, aqedan gamomdinare,
WiWyina da pretenziulic. amitom
sazogadoeba am procesSi unda
CarTo _ roca pasuxismgebloba
ganawilebulia, yvela Tvlis,
rom procesis monawilea da saq-
mec martivad keTdeba.
__ wweeRRaann aaxxsseenneeTT,, ddookkuummeennttii
mmiivviiRRee,, ssaaddaacc wweerriiaa ddaannaappiirreebbiiddaann
rraa SSeessrruullddaa ddaa rraa aarraaoo.. uuffrroo
kkoonnkkrreettuullaadd TTuu SSeeggiiZZlliiaaTT
ggvviiTTxxrraaTT,, rraa wweerriiaa aamm ddookkuummeenntt-
SSii,, rraa aarr SSeessrruullddaa??
_ mTavari racaa _ muxruWde-
ba, anu ar xdeba samarTlianobis
aRdgena. xalxi amis gamo iyo qu-
CaSi gamosuli. misma didma na-
wilma xma misca ara imitom, rom
maTTvis miwa moexnaT, aramed sa-
marTlianobis aRsadgenad. samarT-
lianobis aRdgena am moZraobis
bairaRi iyo. Sexvedraze ivaniS-
vilma gviTxra, qonebis dabruneba
biujets Zalian mZime tvirTad
daawvebao. Cven gvesmis es yvela-
feri, amitom, SevTavaze, iqneb
ukanonod warTmeuli manqanebi ma-
inc davabrunoT-meTqi. es manqane-
bi ekonomikis saministroSi mih-
yavdaT da xalxs aiZulebdnen ga-
daeformebinaT, Tu arada dapa-
timrebiT emuqrebodnen. Cemi me-
gobari israelis elCis TanaSem-
wea da am mxriv israelis sael-
Comac ki ver uSvela. mis meuR-
les Sari mosdes, manqana ukano-
nod CamoarTves da ekonomikis sa-
ministroze gadaaformebines. da-
vabrunoT es manqanebi, aq xom bi-
ujeti arafer SuaSia? ivaniS-
vilma Tqva, mainc gaiweleba es
procesi, rTuli gaskeTebeliao.
jozef qeisTvis amxela metalur-
giuli gigantis, qarxnis dabrune-
ba xom moxerxda? ar mjera, rom
ivaniSvili am yvelafers igebs da
Sesabamisad ar reagirebs. darw-
munebuli var, mas araswor in-
formacias awvdian, mivides da
adgilze naxos rogori sawarmoa
gaxsnili gardabnis raionis zo-
gierT sofelSi. samarTlianobis
aRdgenis procesis damuxruWebam
gamoiwvia is ganwyobebi, rac sa-
zogadoebaSia. amitomac daeca
`qarTuli ocnebis~ reitingi.
__ ssaaaakkaaSSvviillii rrooccaa xxeelliissuuff-
lleebbaaSSii mmooddiiooddaa,, mmaann TTqqvvaa __ vvaappii-
rreebb qqaarrTTvveell xxaallxxss mmeennttaalliitteettii
ggaammoovvuuccvvaalloooo ddaa mmTTeellii 99 wwlliiss
mmaannZZiillzzee aasseecc iiqqcceeooddaa..
iivvaanniiSSvviilliicc xxoomm aarr aappiirreebbss CCvveennss
xxeellaaxxllaa aaRRzzrrddaass??
_ amas yvela xelisufali
cdilobs. es yovelTvis ase iqne-
ba, aSS-ic asea. ratom awyobs
obama brifings? _ imitom, rom
sazogadoebas Tavisi informacia
miawodos da amis mixedviT Seqm-
nas sazogadoebrivi azri. es zus-
tad sazogadoebis aRzrdis mcde-
lobaa. ivaniSvilis SemTxvevaSi
es sazogadoebisTvis gamaRiziane-
beli iyo. sxvaTa Soris, xeli-
suflebis xelSia, ras Camoayali-
bebs xalxisgan _ brbos Tu sazo-
gadoebas. miSa maqsimalurad cdi-
lobda brbo hyoloda. ivaniSvils
ra amocana aqvs, jerjerobiT, ar
Cans. zog SemTxvevaSi iciT ra ga-
modis? ivaniSvili, rogorc _ ge-
nerali oficrebs, ise gvibarebs.
esa da es davaleba ratom ver Se-
asruleTo. es forma ar varga,
jarSi xom ar varT?
__ bbaattoonnoo mmaammuukkaa,, TTqqvveenn aaxxssee-
nneeTT,, rroomm mmoovvaa aaxxaallii ppoolliittiikkuurrii
ZZaallaa,, rroommeelliicc yyvveellaaffeerrss `̀wwaallee-
kkaavvss~~.. rraass gguulliissxxmmoobbTT,, rraa ZZaallaaaa
ddaa rraazzee ddaayyrrddnnoobbiiTT ffiiqqrroobbTT
aassee??
_ ki ar walekavs, aramed me
Semdegs vambob: dRes aseTi situ-
aciaa _ gvaqvs mmarTveli koali-
cia da opoziciad daniSnuli
`nacmoZraoba~. arCevnebis meore
dRes realuri opozicia iyo,
dRes daniSnuli opozicia gvyavs
imitom, rom Tavad xelisufleba
uwyobs xels opozicia am for-
miT SenarCundes. rac Seexeba
mmarTvel Zalas, maTSi garkveuli
konkurenciaa. arCevnebis mere iva-
niSvili politikidan midis, mag-
ram es mxolod premierobidan
wasvlas xom ar niSnavs, aramed
partiis Tavmjdomaris postis
datovebasac. warmoidgineT, ro-
gori iqneba Tavmjdomaris gareSe
darCenili `qarTuli ocneba~,
ramden jgufad daiyofa da ra am-
bebi atydeba. es xom konglomera-
tia da ara mkacrad vertikalis
mixedviT gansazRvruli politi-
kuri Zala? amaze kamaTs `qarTu-
li ocnebidan~ veravin damiwyebs
imitom, rom kargad vici, iq rac
xdeba. aqedan gamomdinare, viRebT
Semdeg suraTs _ daniSnul opo-
zicias da mZafri konkurenciis
pirobebSi myof koalicias _
uxelmZRvanelo gamarjvebul par-
tias. am dros ki maleve modis
adgilobrivi arCevnebi, ufro se-
riozuli, vidre saprezidento
arCevnebia. realuri, Zlieri opo-
ziciis niSa carielia. darwmune-
buli var, es niSa carieli ar
darCeba. amas aucileblad Seav-
sebs garkveuli politikuri Za-
la. imitom, rom xalxSi ukmayo-
fileba sakmaod maRalia, maT uam-
ravi kiTxva aqvT, romelzec pa-
suxi ar arsebobs. ra tipis Zala
SeiZleba iyos es? _ xalxs dRes
yvelaze metad awuxebs tradici-
uli urTierTobebis rRveva,
erovnuloba, socialuri sakiTxe-
bi da samarTlianoba, anu es axa-
li politikuri Zala erovnulo-
baze da memarcxeneobaze orienti-
rebuli unda iyos. vvaraudob,
rom es Zala uaxloes momavalSi
aucileblad gaCndeba. miT ume-
tes, rom sazogadoebaSi politi-
zirebis muxti Zalian maRalia.
__ aamm ZZaalliiss ggaaCCeenniiss rraa ppeerrss-
ppeeqqttiivvaa aarrsseebboobbss,, mmaaSSiinn,, rrooccaa
NDI-ss uukkvvee mmeeoorree kkvvlleevviiTT ppiirr-
vveell aaddggiillzzee mmaarrggvveellaaSSvviilliiaa,,
TTaannaacc pprroocceennttuullmmaa mmaaCCvveenneebbeellmmaacc
iimmaattaa,, xxoolloo mmeeoorreezzee __ bbaaqqrraaZZee??
aaqqvvee ggkkiiTTxxaavvTT,, rrooggoorr ffiiqqrroobbTT,,
aamm kkvvlleevviiss ddaanniiSSnnuulleebbaa iiss xxoomm
aarraaaa,, rroomm ggaarrkkvveeuullwwiillaadd ssaazzoo-
ggaaddooeebbaa aamm SSeeddeeggss SSeeaagguuoonn??
_ marTali xar, ZiriTadi amo-
canaa, Segvaguon am Sedegs, magram
es nomeri ar gamouvaT. arCevnebis
gayalbeba absoluturad warmo-
udgenelia. realuri suraTis mi-
xedviT ki konkurentebi margve-
laSvili da burjanaZe arian. ami-
tom, Tu survili aqvT baqraZe
meore adgilze gaiyvanon, amis
damtkiceba xmebis daTvlis Sem-
deg Zalian gauWirdebaT. amitom
am Sedegs gvagueben.
ar gamovricxav, rom xeli-
suflebas garkveuli valdebule-
ba aqvs aRebuli, raTa es suraTi
daidos. gansakuTrebiT, dasavle-
li partniorebis winaSe, romle-
bic `nacmoZraobas~ lobireben.
Tumca arCevnebis mere, am xeli-
suflebas SeuZlia maT uTxras _
Cven yvelaferi gavakeTeT, magram
xalxs ar unda da xom ar gava-
yalbebdiT arCevnebso? dasavleTi
xom ar ityvis, unda gageyalbebi-
naTo?
__ zzooggaaddaadd,, rraa xxddeebbaa qqaarrTTuull
ppoolliittiikkaaSSii __ ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo kkaammppaanniiaa
dduunneedd mmiiddiiss,, yyvveellaa iissee eellooddeebbaa
2277 ooqqttoommbbeerrss,, TTiiTTqqooss uukkvvee yyvvee-
llaaffeerrii ggaarrkkvveeuulliiaa..
_ SeiZleba asec iTqvas, prin-
cipSi, xalxs saprezdento arCev-
nebi ar ainteresebs, radgan ici-
an, prezidentis posti SezRudu-
gadaicvams Tu ara biZina ivaniSvili
glaxunas tansacmels, rom qveyana
`konspiraciulad~ Semoiaros da bolos da
bolos gaigos, ra xdeba mis `sabrZanebelSi~?
mamuka areSiZe:
xom amboben, 27-Si damTavrdeba
koabitaciao, hoda, damTavrdes da
daviwyoT samarTlianobis aRdgena
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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7#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi
vvaaggrrZZeelleebbTT ssaaaakkaaSSvviilliiss rreeJJii-
mmiiss mmiieerr ddaatteerroorreebbuull bbiizznneessmmeenn-
TTaa TTeemmaass,, rroommlleebbssaacc bbiizznneessiiss
wwaarrTTmmeevvaa aarr aakkmmaarreess ddaa cciixxeeSSiicc
ggaammooaammwwyyvvddiieess.. ddRReevvaannddeellii nnoommrriiss
ssttuummaarrii,, kkoommppaanniiaa ,,kkaavvkkaazzuuss oonnllaa-
iinniiss~~ yyooffiillii mmfflloobbeellii,, oorrggaannii-
zzaacciiaa `̀ddaaaabbrruunneess~~ TTaavvmmjjddoommaarree
mmaammiiaa ssaannaaddiirraaZZee ssaazzRRvvaarrggaarreeTT
rroomm aarr ggaaddaaxxvveewwiilliiyyoo,, ggiissoosseebbss
mmiiRRmmaa aaRRmmooCCnnddeebbooddaa.. rraa pprroobblleemmee-
bbii SSeeuuqqmmnneess ddaa rrooggoorr `̀aaaaxxiieess~~
8800%%-iiaannii bbiizznneesswwiillii xxsseenneebbuull
kkoommppaanniiaaSSii ssaaaakkaaSSvviilliiss kkaarriiss bbiizz-
nneessmmeenneebbmmaa,, iiggii TTaavvaadd ggvviiaammbboobbss..
iinntteerrnneettpprroovvaaiiddeerrii kkoommppaanniiaa
`̀kkaavvkkaazzuuss oonnllaaiinnii~~ `̀kkaavvkkaazzuuss nneett-
vvoorrkkiiss~~,, `̀jjoorrjjiiaann oonnllaaiinniiss~~ ddaa
`̀ssaanneettiiss~~ ggaaeerrTTiiaanneebbiiTT 22000055
wweellss SSeeiiqqmmnnaa.. iimmaavvee wweellss mmooxxddaa
ssaaxxeellmmwwiiffoo ssaatteelleekkoommuunniikkaacciioo
ooppeerraattoorr `̀eelleeqqttookkaavvSSiirriiss~~ pprrii-
vvaattiizzaacciiaacc,, rroommeelliicc mmaaSSiinn mmoonnoo-
ppoolliissttii iiyyoo.. `̀eelleeqqttrrookkaavvSSiirriiss~~
mmffoobbeellii yyaazzaaxxuurrii kkoommppaanniiaa ggaaxxddaa,,
rroommlliiss ppaarrttnniioorriicc ggaaxxllddaaTT ggii-
oorrggii rraammiiSSvviillii,, iiggiivvee `̀zzaarraallaa~~..
sswwoorreedd aamm pprriivvaattiizzaacciiiiss SSeemmddeegg
ddaaeewwyyoo `̀kkaavvkkaazzuuss oonnllaaiinnss~~ pprroobb-
lleemmeebbii..
mamia sanadiraZe:: `aSkara
iyo, rom am axali mflobelebis-
gan arakeTilsindisieri konkuren-
cia mogveloda, radgan maSindeli
internetprovaiderebi Zalian vi-
yaviT damokidebuli am monopo-
list kompaniaze, misgan vqiraob-
diT miwisqveSa kanalizacias, rom
iq gagvetarebina Cveni optikur-
boWkovani kabelebi da a.S. Cveni
urTierToba kanonmdeblobiT re-
gulirdeboda. swored am mizniT
Seiqmna kavSirgabmulobis maregu-
lirebeli komisia, romelic are-
gulirebda satelekomunikacio
operatorebs Soris urTierTo-
bebs, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi te-
lekomunikacia ar ganviTardeboda
saqarTveloSi. es komisia avalde-
bulebda `eleqtrokavSirs~, rom
alternatiuli satelekomunika-
cio kompaniebisTvis miewodebina
Semdegi momsaxureoba, sargebloba
miwisqveSa kanalizaciiT, avtoma-
turi sadgurebis SenobebiT, spi-
lenZis satelefono kabelis wyvi-
lebiT, romelic saboloo momxma-
rebelTan, abonentTan midioda. av-
tomatur satelefono sadgurSi
yvela operatorisTvis gamoyofi-
li iyo erTi oTaxi, sadac ganTav-
sebuli gvqonda Cveni internet
aparatura da a.S. sanam `zarala~
da misi partniorebi SeiZendnen
xsenebul kompanias, Cven aranairi
problema ar gvqonia, vixdidiT ma-
regulirebeli komisiis mier dad-
genil momsaxureobis safasurs da
gamarTulad vmuSaobdiT. am kompa-
niis gasxvisebis Semdeg, yvelasT-
vis calsaxad naTeli gaxda rom
warsulSi mxedrioneli `zarala~
dadgenili wesebiT ar iTamaSebda.
amitom yvela Cemma konkurentma
internetprovaiderma gayida Tavi-
si kompaniebi, wvrili kompaniebi
me SeviZine da me, marto momiwia
xsenebul gavlenian dajgufebas-
Tan dapirispireba~.
__ rraaSSii ggaammooiixxaatteebbooddaa ddaappii-
rriissppiirreebbaa ddaa TTqqvveennii pprroobblleemmeebbii??
_ `eleqtrokavSirma~ uari
ganmicxada, rom mqonoda wvdoma
miwisqveSa sakanalizacio WebTan,
rom gameyvana kabelebi, miverTebu-
liyaviT spileZis mavTulebze da
pirdapir CavrTuliyaviT abonen-
tebTan, aseve uari gviTxres 18
saaTis Semdeg saoperatoro oTa-
xebiT sargeblobazec, arada Cven
24-saaTiani internetmomsaxureba
gvqonda da maregulirebeli kompa-
niac avaldebulebda `eleqtrokav-
Sirs~, rom CvenTvis 24-saaTiani
momsaxureoba gaewia. xsenebulma
monopolistma, maregulirebel
komisiaze zewoliT gagvioTxmaga
gadasaxadebi, 18 saaTis mere gvi-
TiSavdnen aparaturas da kabelebs
da Sesabamisad momxmarebels in-
terneti eTiSeboda, CarTvis saSu-
alebas ki ar gvaZlevdnen.
erTi sityviT, yvela-fers akeTebdnen, romCveni kompania gaenadgu-rebinaT da TavianTkuTvnil kompanias, ro-melsac Tavidan inter-net momsaxureba arhqonda, miewodebina esmomsaxureba momxmareb-lisTvis. verc awvdid-nen, radgan ar icodnenes rogor gaekeTebinaTda rom ityvian, agonia-Si iyo dedaqalaqis mTe-li internetsivrce. amyvelafers `zarala~ dakompania~ axerxebda sa-xelmwifo institute-bis daxmarebiT,
Cinovnikebis mosyidviT da a.S.
maSin maregulirebel komisias gi-
orgi arvelaZe (oRond ara taxi-
riCi – m.s.) xelmZRvanelobda.
`zarala~ mogexsenebaT, mogviane-
biT mixeil saakaSvilTanac Zalze
daaxloebuli gaxldaT da saxel-
mwifo institutebi yvelanirad
xels uwyobdnen, rom Cveni kompa-
nia CaeZira. ra Tqma unda, saxel-
mwifos mxridan aseTi damokidebu-
leba ar momwonda, imisaTvis, rom,
rogorme Tavi damecva da gamexma-
urebina, ra zewolasac ganvicdi-
diT, SevqmeniT internet gazeTi
`presa ge~. saerTod, inter medi-
is ganviTareba daviwye, radgan
sxva media saSualebebi faqtobri-
vad daxSuli, xelisuflebis mier
kontrolirebadi iyo. gavakeTeT
internet televizia `aitivi~
(2007-2008 wlebi) da vcdilob-
diT mkiTxvelisa da mayureblisT-
vis obieqturi informaciebi mig-
vewodebina. am yvelaferma kidev
ufro gaamZafra Cvens Soris dapi-
rispireba, romelmac kulminacias
2008 wlis bolos miaRwia. ru-
seTTan omSi damarcxebulma saa-
kaSvilis mTavrobam Suri Cvenze
iZia, daiwyes Cveni kabelebis ga-
daWra, `eleqtrokavSiri~ aRarc
axal abonentebs gvarTvevinebd,
amitom gadavwyviteT, gverdi ag-
vevlo maTi komunikaciebisTvis da
pirdapir optikur-boWkovani kabe-
lebiT migvewodebina mosaxleobis-
Tvis interneti.
maSin saqarTvelos internet
sivrce or gigant monopolists,
ruseTsa da TurqeTs, anu ruste-
lekomsa da Turqtelekoms Soris
iyo moqceuli, maT hqondaT dafiq-
sirebuli fasi, saqarTvelosTvis
ramdenad unda moewodebinaT in-
terneti, rac asjer ufro Zviri
Rirda, vidre evropaSi. amitom,
SevimuSave proeqti da Savi zRvis
gavliT, gaviyvaneT 1300-kilomet-
riani kabeli, romlis meSveobi-
Tac, bulgareTSi pirdapir mivu-
erTdiT evropis satelekomunika-
cio qsels, ramac cxadia, Cveni in-
ternetmomsaxurebis xarisxi gaa-
umjobesa. nacionalebis mTavroba
da `eleqtrokavSiris~ xelmZRva-
neloba darwmunda, rom Cveni gaCe-
reba SeuZlebeli iyo, ase ver
dagvamarcxebdnen da 2009 wels
axali operacia dagegmes, romel-
Sic CarTuli iyvnen Sss, meriis
sazedamxedvelo samsaxuri, saga-
dasaxado inspeqcia, maregulirebe-
li komisia. maT erToblivi Sete-
va daiwyes Cveni kompaniis winaaR-
mdeg, gaurkveveli kriminalebi
Wridnen Cvens kabelebs quCaSi, ga-
wamebuli mosaxleoba CvenTan er-
Tad dasdevda da iWerda am bo-
rotmoqmedebs, maT patrulebs va-
barebdiT, magram maSinve aTavisuf-
lebdnen. miuxedavad Cveni araerTi
moTxovnisa, ss-is saqmeebis aRZv-
ras Tavs aridebdnen, romeli saq-
mec aRiZra, arc mas miscemia
msvleloba. erTi SemTxveva tele-
kameriTac gvaqvs gadaRebuli, Tu
rogor davakaveT es `gadamWreli~
da gadaveciT patrulebs, romleb-
mac mas xelborkili daades. daka-
vebulma maSinve viRacas daureka,
daalaparaka patruli am pirovne-
bas, romelmac maT miTiTeba misca,
waiyvaneT es kaci da gauSviTo.
cxadi iyo, rom am yvelaferSi Sss
da piradad vano merabiSvili iyo
Careuli.
xmebi mogvdioda, ro-gor ixileboda sakiTxiSss-Si TaTbirze, `kavka-zus onlainis~ dangre-vis SemTxvevaSi rogorunda emoqmedaT, rogorgadaeyvanaT Cveni abo-nentebi `eleqtrokav-SirSi~. rogorc CemTv-vis cnobilia, es ganxil-vebi da dagegmvebi uSua-lod vano merabiSvilismeTvalyureobiT xdebo-da, radgan piradad masaRizianebda Cveni damo-ukidebeli media.
merabiSvilma isic kargad dai-
naxa, Tu ramxela Zala aqvs inter-
nets informaciis mopovebis
kuTxiT. swored, amitom gamogvig-
zavnes miyuradebisa da TvalTva-
lis samsaxuris ufrosi boria mi-
tiCaSvili, romelmac mogvTxova,
rom Cveni abonentebis saxlebSi
xarvezebis gasasworeblad Cveni
teqnikosebis magivrad, gadacmul
policielebs evloT, raTa iq vi-
deokamerebi da mosasmeni aparatu-
ra daeyenebinaT. ra Tqma unda, am
`SeTavazebas~ ar davTanxmdi, es
kriminalia, maSin mosmena-TvalT-
valze sasamarTlos oficialuri
gadawyvetileba momeciT-Tqo. kri-
minals ver Cavidendi, radgan es
samomavlod Sss-s monobas niSnav-
da. araviTari gadawyvetileba, amas
yvela satelekomunikacio opera-
tori dokumentis gareSec ake-
Tebs, Sen ra `wiTeli kvercxi~
xaro. Cven Soris urTierToba
amis Semdeg ufro daiZaba.
__ rraass gguulliissxxmmoobbTT??
_ 2009 wlis Semodgomaze
Sss-Tan koordinirebulad sagada-
saxado inspeqcia Semovida Cvens
kompaniaSi bolo xuTi wlis fi-
nansuri saqmianobis Sesamowmeb-
lad, amasTan erTad yvela saxel-
mwifo uwyeba gaiTiSa Cveni qseli-
dan, mere meriam dagvajarima im
motiviT, rom TiTqos Cveni kabe-
lebi saTanadod ar iyo gakidebu-
li, arada aTi satelekomunikacio
kompaniis kabelebi mainc iyo ana-
logiurad gakidebuli, Tumca maT-
Tvis araferi uTqvamT. amis para-
lelurad maregulirebelma komi-
siam dagvajarima 270.000 lariT,
ofisi rom SeicvaleT, misamarTi
droze ratom ar gvacnobeTo da
aseT wvrilmanebze. aSkara iyo, mi-
zezs eZebdnen. samjer dagvajari-
mes, saerTo jamSi 660.000 la-
riT, ris Semdegac miviReT gafr-
Txileba, Tu erTxel kidev daja-
rimdiT, internetprovaideris li-
cenzias CamogarTmevTo. finansur-
ma policiam darRveva rom ver
mogvinaxa, piriqiT, biujetSi zed-
meti gvqonda gadaxdili, brali
internetmomsaxurebis iafad ga-
yidvaSi dagvdo, Zvirad rom gage-
yidaT, biujeti 11 milioniT met
dRg-is Tanxas miiRebdao da am
odenobis Tanxis gadaxda dagveva-
la. me iafad rogor vyiddi, ro-
ca maSin bazarze xsenebuli momsa-
xureba 15 lari Rirda, am fasSi-
ve yidda `eleqtrokavSiri~ da me
rom Zviri momeTxova, cxadia, abo-
nentebs davkargavdi. am argumen-
tis pasuxad cinikurad gamicines
da miTxres, Sen es 11 milioni ga-
dagvixade da mere sadac ginda, iq
gvedave, Tu am Tanxas 45 dReSi ar
gadaixdi, cixeSi waxval, rogorc
kompaniis direqtori da mere iq
amtkice, iafad rom ar yiddio. am-
xela Tanxa kompanias ar hqonda,
arc bankebi masesxebdnen, ase rom,
gamouval mdgomareobaSi Cavvardi,
miTumetes, rom, rogorc giTxa-
riT, maregulirebeli komisiac me-
muqreboda licenziis CamorTme-
viT, mokled, CixSi Semiyvanes.
zustad amis Semdgom ̀ mestumrnen~
mixeil saakaSvilis biznes jguf
`ji.em.sis~ warmomadgenlebi. es
jgufi marTavs saakaSvilis bizne-
sebs (mas 700-mde biznesi hqonda,
xalxisTvis warTmeul biznesebs
saakaSvili iTvisebda da samarTa-
vad amaT gadascemda) da SemomTa-
vazes, yvela problema mogexsneba,
Tu Tqveni kompaniis 50%-ian wils
SeRavaTian fasSi gadmogviformeb-
To. Tavidan xviCa maqacaria, levan
xundaZe da erTi sxva piri movid-
nen, SemdgomSi ki levan yaramaniS-
vili gamoCnda, romelic dRes
`rusTavi-2~-is mflobelia. mok-
led, erTi bandaa. sxva gamosavali
ar mqonda da davTanxmdi, radgan
winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi cixeSi aR-
movCndebodi, Tumca arc cixeSi
wasvla iyo gamosavali, SeiZlebo-
da licenziac waerTmiaT. `Suamav-
lebi~ 18 milioni dolaris gadax-
das dampirdnen, 3 milioni bes sa-
xiT gadamixades, danarCen Tanxas,
sami wlis ganmavlobaSi gadagix-
diTo. es wili rom gadavuforme
(sul 80%-ian wils vflobdi),
amis Semdeg wamarTves internet
gazeTi da televizia, radgan ukve
maT aiRes xelSi kompaniis marTva,
Cems gareSe gankargavdnen kompani-
is kuTvnil Tanxebs, sadac undo-
daT iq ricxavdnen. sxvaTa Soris,
es yviTeli `marSrutkebic~ Cveni
kompaniis finansebiTaa SeZenili
da Semoyvanili. yvelaferi amiT
ar damTavrebula,
xsenebuli wili romgadamaformebines, meremiTxres, Zalian bevrimogvTxove, gamogveci
ratom afarebs xels axali xelisufleba
yaCaRebis bandas, romelmac `kavkazus onlainis~
mflobels mamia sanadiraZes 80%-iani wili
`aaxia~ da kompanias TviTon daepatrona?
9 gv.
trampi da zarala
8 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa mmooZZrraaoobbaa
`̀eerroovvnnuulleebbiiss~~
eerrTT-eerrTTii lliiddeerrii
sandro bregaZe
__ bbaattoonnoo ssaannddrroo,, ddRReess ZZaa-
lliiaann aaqqttuuaalluurriiaa CCaanneerrggiillee-
bbiiss ssaakkiiTTxxii `̀qqaarrTTuull ooccnneebbaa-
SSii~~.. ssaaiinnffoorrmmaacciioo ssaaSSuuaalleebbee-
bbiiTT uukkvvee ddaassaaxxeellddaa kkoonnkkrreettuu-
llii ppiirreebbiiss ssaaxxeelleebbii ddaa ggvvaarree-
bbii,, rroommlleebbiicc TTuurrmmee `̀qqaarrTTuull
ooccnneebbaaSSii~~ yyooffiillaann CCaanneerrggiillii
nnaacciioonnaalleebbiiss mmiieerr.. eess aaddaammiiaannee-
bbii kkvvllaavv rrCCeebbiiaann mmmmaarrTTvveellii ZZaa-
lliiss ssaappaassuuxxiissmmggeebblloo TTaannaammddee-
bboobbeebbzzee,, rraa SSeeddeeggeebbaammddee SSeeiiZZ-
lleebbaa mmiiiiyyvvaannooss xxeelliissuufflleebbaa
aaggeenntteebbiiss ggaarreemmooccvvaamm ddaa rroo-
ggoorr uunnddaa mmooxxddeess mmaaTTii ggaauuvvnnee-
bbeellyyooffaa??
_ simarTle giTxraT, me
gaocebuli var ara xelisuf-
lebis, aramed im adamianebis
moqmedebiT, romelTa Sesaxebac
gamoqveynda dokumentebi. imi-
tom, rom, rodesac aseT rames,
vTqvaT, gabraleben, maSin Sen,
ra Tqma unda, adekvaturi pa-
suxi unda gasce da yvelanai-
rad unda daicva Seni Rirseba.
aranairi nabiji, rom gaebaTi-
lebinaT es eWvebi, me ar mina-
xavs. piriqiT, saxezea siraq-
lemas pozicia, romelmac, ar
SeiZleba raime kargi mouta-
nos am adamianebs. me SemiZlia
giTxraT, rom `qarTuli ocne-
ba~ dakompleqtebuli aris da-
axloebiT 70% `nacionaluri
moZraobis~ aqtivistebiT da
yofili aqtivistebiT.
amave dros aRsaniSnavia is-
ic, rom `nacionalebis~, `qar-
Tuli ocnebis~ rigebSi Caner-
gvaSi sakmaod did monawileo-
bas iRebda gia xuxaSvili, ada-
miani, romelmac rac dasangre-
vi iyo, daangria.
__ TTqqvveennii aazzrriiTT,, ssaapprreezzii-
ddeennttoo aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss SSeemmddeegg mmooxx-
ddeebbaa TTuu aarraa aaxxaallii xxeelliissuuff-
lleebbiiss ee..ww.. `̀wwmmeennddaa~~ ddaa ggaaiirrCCee-
vvaa TTuu aarraa,, aassee vvTTqqvvaaTT,, mmaavvnnee ddaa
ssaassaarrggeebblloo ZZaalleebbii eerrTTmmaannee-
TTiissggaann,, mmiiTT uummeetteess,, pprreezziiddeenn-
ttoobbiiss kkaannddiiddaatteebbii ddaa mmaaTT SSoo-
rriiss TTvviiTT ggiioorrggii mmaarrggvveellaaSSvvii-
lliicc kkii kkoohhaabbiittaacciiiiss ddaassrruu-
lleebbaass hhppiirrddeebbaa xxaallxxss..
_ me vfiq-
rob, Tuki biZina
ivaniSvili wava
politikidan, aranairi wmenda
ar moxdeba da is adamianebi Ca-
inergen, romlebic movidnen.
ar vici, saidan movidnen, mag-
ram dRes, Cvenda samwuxarod,
arian Tanamdebobis pirebi,
romlebic ar asruleben da
ver asruleben maTze dakisre-
bul movaleobebs, aqvT saSine-
li biografia, warsulic, awm-
yoc da momavali xedvebic. ra
Tqma unda, isini isev darCebi-
an xelisuflebaSi da me vam-
bob, rom biZina ivaniSvili
romc rCebodes xelisufleba-
Si me ara maqvs aranairi imedi,
rom raime Seicvleba am
kuTxiT. aqedan gamomdinare,
ara maqvs aranairi safuZveli
imisa, rom vivaraudo, vinme mo-
axdens am cvlilebas dRes. sa-
ganeliZe da gia xuxaSvili,
adamiani, romelsac qarTuli
saxelmwifoebriobis winaaRm-
deg mimarTuli pirovneba aris
Tavisi arsiT, Tavisi qmedebiT,
Tavisi warsuliT, Tavisi awm-
yoTi da momavliT. aseTi tipis
avazakebi, ra Tqma unda, ver
moaxdenen im ganwmendis pro-
cess, romelzec Tqven saub-
robT.
__ rraammddeenniimmee ddRRiiss wwiinn mmaammuu-
kkaa aarreeSSiiZZeemm ggaannaaccxxaaddaa,, rroomm
ssuull mmaallee aaxxaallii ppoolliittiikkuurrii
ZZaallaa ggaammooCCnnddeebbaa.. TTqqvveennii aazzrriiTT,,
aauucciilleebbeelliiaa TTuu aarraa aaxxaallii ZZaa-
lliiss ggaammooCCeennaa ddaa rraa ZZaallaazzee SSee-
iiZZlleebbaa yyooffiilliiyyoo ssaauubbaarrii??
_ aseTi politikuri Zalis
gamoCena, ra Tqma unda, auci-
lebelia da aris gardauvali.
imitom, rom namdvilad erov-
nulad moazrovne, erovnuli
ideologiis mqone politiku-
ri Zala SeZlebs qveyanaSi
erovnuli interesebis dacvas.
da me garwmunebT, rom biZina
ivaniSvilis politikidan was-
vlisTanave aqtualuri gaxdeba
erovnuli interesebis dacva,
vidre dRes es aris da amis
Tqmis safuZvels maZlevs bevri
is faqtori, romelic qveyana-
Si ganviTarebulia da Camoya-
libebulia. amitom aseTi po-
litikuri Zalebi aucileblad
gamoCndeba da aucileblad iq-
neba qarTul politikur speq-
tris avangardSi da is daika-
vebs Rirseul adgils qarTul
politikur speqtrSi. amis ga-
rantiis micema me SemiZlia.
__ SSeeZZlleebbss TTuu aarraa rreessppuubb-
lliikkuurrii ppaarrttiiaa qqaarrTTuull ppoollii-
ttiikkuurr ssiivvrrcceeSSii ssaakkuuTTaarrii aadd-
ggiilliiss ddaammoouukkiiddeebbllaadd ddaakkaavvee-
bbaass??
_ ki SeZlebs, ra Tqma un-
da, es 1%-iani reitingis mqo-
ne politikuri Zala iqneba Tu
5%-iani reitingis mqone po-
litikuri Zala, es respubli-
kelebzea damokidebuli, magram
respublikuri partia veraso-
des 5%-ian reitings ver asc-
deba da es bunebrivic aris.
kargic aris imitom, rom ar
SeiZleba qveyanaSi seriozul
reitings flobdes organiza-
cia, romelic Tavisi arsiT
ewinaaRmdegeba yovelive erov-
nuls, tradiciuls, Rire-
buls, qriatianuls da marTl-
madideblurs. ra Tqma unda,
maT eyolebaT TavianTi amomr-
Cevlebi, Tumca aris erTi sa-
SiSroeba: me mainc vfiqrob
respublikelebis, `nacionalu-
ri moZraobis~, Tavisuflebis
institutis, kerZod, giga bo-
kerias jgufis adre Tu gvian
gaerTianeba, es, ubralod,
drois ambavia da es ambavi
moxdeba imitom, rom `naciona-
lebis~ da, Tavisuflebis ins-
titutis naTesaoba, sulieri,
ideologiuri naTesaoba yve-
lasTvis cnobilia da maTi ga-
erTianebac ar iqneba raRac mo-
ulodneli piradad CemTvis.
__ TTqqvveenn `̀eerroovvnnuulleebbiiss~~
eerrTT-eerrTT lliiddeerraadd mmooiiaazzrreebbiiTT..
`̀nnaacciioonnaalluurrmmaa mmooZZrraaoobbaamm~~ bboo-
lloo xxaanneebbSSii ssaaxxeellii SSeeiiccvvaallaa
ddaa ddaaiirrqqvvaa `̀aaxxeerrmmooZZii~~,, eerrooggoorr
ffiiqqrroobbTT,, eerroovvnnuullii ZZaalleebbii
aarriiss TTuu aarraa wwaarrmmooddggeenniillii aaxx-
aallii xxeelliissuufflleebbiiss ssttrruuqqttuu-
rreebbSSii ddaa ssaadd aarriiaann ssaaeerrTToodd
eerroovvnnuullii ZZaalleebbii??
_ erovnuli Zalebi ar ari-
an warmodgenili. me vfiqrob,
maTi umravlesoba erovnuli
aRar aris da arc yofila ara-
sodes, imitom, rom es fari-
sevloba iyo. erT magaliTs
getyviT: imdenad daRonebuli,
SeSinebuli kurdRlebis jogi
miviReT, verc erTma maTganma
Sepasuxebac ki ver gabeda iva-
niSvilisTvis, rodesac man ga-
nacxada, rom zviad gamsaxur-
dia, eduard SevardnaZe da mi-
xeil saakaSvili erTnairi ti-
pis liderebi arian da erTna-
irad miuZRviT wvlili qveynis
ngrevaSi. es rom mcdari Sexe-
dulebaa, mgoni, amaze kamaTi
ar Rirs da biZina ivaniSvili
rom mwared cdeba, esec gasage-
bia. Tanamdebobis, karieris
wyurvilma am adamianebs daa-
kargvina is grZnoba, romelsac
erovnuli grZnoba hqvia. ami-
tom erovnuli Zalebi 0%-iT
arian warmodgenili xelisuf-
lebaSi.
__ TTqqvveennii pprrooggnnoozziiTT mmoommaavvaa-
llii pprreemmiieerr-mmiinniissttrrii rroommeellii
ssttrruuqqttuurriiddaann iiqqnneebbaa aarrCCeeuullii
__ ppaarrllaammeennttiiddaann,, mmTTaavvrroobbiiddaann
TTuu iivvaanniiSSvviilliiss ssaaaaxxlloobblloo
wwrriiddaann??
_ me vfiqrob, rom momava-
li premier-ministri iqneba
uSualod biZina ivaniSvilis
mier SerCeuli pirovneba, ro-
melic iqneba piradad biZina
ivaniSvilis mier datovebuli
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misi SefasebiT, sursaTis uvneblobis samsaxuris
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li xarisxis puria da amas yuradReba Wirdeba. arafers
vambob importul saqonelze, iq sruli ganukiTxao-
baa. isev importiorebi ukveTaven TamaSis wesebs da
mTavroba emorCileba importiorebis nebas, radgan
jerjerobiT sabaJoze wesieri kontroli ar arsebobs.
saxelmwifom mxolod xarisxiani produqcia unda Se-
mouSvas,”-aaRniSna demur giorxeliZem.
eqspertis monacemiT, ar arsebobs statistika, Tu
ra cvlilebebs iwvevs janmrTelobaze da genetikurad
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giorxeliZis informacii, muSavdeba saqarTvelos
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sursaTis uvneblobis saagentos sazogadoebasTan
urTierTobis xelmZRvaneli giga qurdovaniZis cnobiT,
saqarTvelos masStabiT 50 aTasze meti marketia re-
gistrirebuli. maTi Semowmeba yoveldRiurad SeuZle-
belia. rac Seexeba mosaxleobis uvnebeli sursaTiT
uzrunvelyofis meqanizms, qurdovaniZe ambobs, rom
marketebSi amoRebuli vadagasuli produqtebi saagen-
tos TanamSromlebis mier iluqeba, realizators ki
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moiTxovs.
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demur giorxeliZe: saqarTveloSi mezobeli qveynebidan ganukiTxavad Semodis sruli nagavi
9saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
li formatiTaa. miuxedavad imisa, rom
prezidenti mTavarsardalic iqneba, yve-
lam icis, rom pirveli piri _ premieria
da Sinaganad yvela adgilobrivi arCevne-
bisTvis emzadeba. aqedan gamomdinare, da-
bali interesi saprezidento arCevnebis
Sedegebzec imoqmedebs. ara mgonia, xal-
xi 27 oqtombers gagiJebuli miawydes
saarCevno yuTebs, gansakuTrebul aqtivo-
bas ar veli. aqtivoba 50, maqsimum 60%
iqneba. anu saprezidento arCevnebze daba-
li aqtivoba iqneba, adgilobriv arCevneb-
ze ki piriqiT _ maRali.
__ ddaassaawwyyiissSSii ggkkiiTTxxeeTT,, eerrTTii wwlliiss-
TTaavvzzee rraa ggaakkeeTTddaa-mmeeTTqqii,, aasseevvee ssaaiinntteerree-
ssooaa,, rraa ggaakkeeTTddaa rruusseeTTTTaann uurrTTiieerrTToobbiiss
mmooggvvaarreebbiiss TTvvaallssaazzrriissiiTT __ ssaaookkuuppaacciioo
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ddaann iiyyoo ddaa rraattoomm ggaaxxddaa aammaazzee ssaauubbaarrii
ddRReess aaqqttuuaalluurrii??
_ qarTuli sazogadoeba naxevari yu-
riT ismens konfliqtur regionebSi ra
xdeba, amitom ar icis, rom mavTulxlar-
Tebi 2009 wlidanaa gabmuli. magaliTad,
guguTianTkarSi gamyofi bade sami welia
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meore mxaresaa. es xom axla ar momxda-
ra?! vici, ratomac miiRo amaze saubarma
axla intensiuri xasiaTi _ imitom, rom
ruseTis xelisuflebam, romelmac saqar-
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rasac msoflio savaWro organizaciaSi
gawevrianebac avaldebulebda, amis da-
xurva erTi xelis mosmiT aRar SeuZlia.
amitom meore xeliT cdilobs saqarTve-
lo rogorme evraziul proeqtze dai-
Tanxmos. rac yvelaze mTavaria, ratom
axla? _ imitom, rom 20 noembers saqar-
Tvelom xeli unda moaweros evrokavSir-
Tan asocirebul wevrobaze. am xelSek-
rulebaze oTx qveyanas unda moewera xe-
li – moldovas, ukrainas, saqarTvelos
da somxeTs. somxeTi ukve daiTanxmes da
aRar awers xels. axla arnaxuli zewo-
la mimdinareobs moldovasa da ukraina-
ze. saqme iqamdea misuli, rom moldovas,
momavalSi dneprispireTis SemoerTebaze
lamisaa yovelgvar uflebas uzRudaven.
igive xdeba saqarTvelosTan mimarTebaSi.
axla, saqarTvelos xelisufalma, premi-
erma moskovSi rom darekos da Tqvas _
uars vambobT evrokavSiris asocirebul
wevrobaze da mzad varT evraziul kav-
SirSi SemovideTo, am Robeebs maSinve,
erT RameSi aalageben. es politikuri
TamaSis wesia. ivaniSvils surs, am situ-
acias ganeridos. mas ar surs iseT do-
kumentze moaweros xeli, romelic moma-
valSi win daxvdeba. drois gaWimvis
TvalsazrisiT, es momgebiania. rusebi ax-
laddaniSnul prezidents da verc premi-
ers verafers mosTxoven imitom, rom 20
noembramde cota dro darCa da maT Se-
uZliaT Tqvan, rom sakiTxSi garkveva
sWirdebaT. ai, amitom gaaqtiurda es sa-
kiTxi axla.
__ eess iimmaassaacc xxoomm aarr nniiSSnnaavvss,, rroomm rruu-
sseeTTii ssaaaakkaaSSvviillss uuWWeerrss mmxxaarrss??
_ ruseTi ukve aRar uWers saakaS-
vils mxars. saakaSvili aRaravis sWirde-
ba _ arc dasavleTs da arc CrdiloeTs.
magram misi gundis wevrebi sWirdebaT.
ruseTs Tavisi gavlenis agentura hyavs
saqarTveloSi, maT Soris, politikur
organizaciebSi, albaT, `nacmoZraoba-
Sic~. dasavleTisTvis arsebobs gundi _
`nacmoZraobis~ nawili, romelic unda
SeinarCunon _ es bokerias gundia, rome-
lic maTTvis dasavluri faseulobebis
matarebelia. ruseTisTvis sul erTia,
vin iqneba _ ivaniSvili Tu sxva, mTava-
ria, mizans miaRwios. es mizani 2015
wels evraziuli kavSiris Seqmnaa. axali
xelisufleba am kavSirze ar midis, aqe-
dan gamomdinare, axali xelisufleba
misTvis miuRebelia.
__ eerrTT-eerrTTii mmaaRRaallCCiinnoossaanniiss iinntteerrvviiuu
wwaavviikkiiTTxxee,, wweerrddaa ddvvaannSSii iivvaanniiSSvviilliiss CCaass-
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ssoo.. rraammddeennaadd aarrsseebboobbss aasseeTTii ssaaffrrTTxxee??
_SeiZleba, ar gamovricxav. SeiZleba
arsebobs ivaniSvilis likvidaciis gegma,
dazustebiT verafers getyviT. `nacmoZ-
raobas~ Wkua rom hqondes, piriqiT un-
da moufrTxildes ivaniSvils imitom,
rom dasavleTTan swored mas aqvs `nace-
bis~ koabitaciasTan dakavSirebiT val-
debulebebi aRebuli. Tu ivaniSvili ar
iqneba (RmerTma nu qnas), aq iseTi amba-
vi atydeba, `nacionalebs~ saxlebidan
gamoyrian. ase rom sazogadoebas ivaniS-
vilis avtoriteti akavebs. margvelaSvi-
li ambobs, rom koabitacia 27-Si dam-
Tavrdeba. piradad me, amis bolomde ar
mjera imitom, rom koabitaciis procesi
dasrulebulia, axla simbiozis reJimia
_ erTad gadasarevad grZnoben Tavs da
zogni fulebsac iyofen. vTqvaT, axalma
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raionSi CrdiloeTisken, ratom amoiwia
somxeTTan ver gavige. etyoba, raRac
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axalma mTavrobam ar icoda, magram axla
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nic aRar gadamixades. sxvaTa Soris, maTi es
muqarebi Cawerili maqvs da mtkicebulebis
saxiT gadaveci prokuraturas. xelisufle-
ba rom Seicvala, saqarTveloSi maSinve Ca-
movedi, gancxadebiT mivmarTe prokuraturas
da maTi danaSaulobebis damadasturebeli
yvela mtkicebulebebi gadaveci. garda am ma-
salebisa, arsebobs uamravi mowmec, romle-
bic Cem simarTles daadastureben. davelo-
de rom saqmes gamoiZiebdnen, magram...
__ ddRReess rraa mmddggoommaarreeoobbaaaa??
_ Tavidan swrafad daiwyo gamoZieba,
magram gaCerda, ris Semdgomac isev daiwyo
iZulebiT warTmeuli kompaniis Zarcva, ro-
melsac isev is xalxi marTavs, veranairi
kontroli ver aviRe, miuxedavad imisa, yve-
la ukanonobis damadasturebelo dokumen-
tebi Camovitane. prokuratura aSkarad ar
iZiebs saqmes, ufro sworad, yvela faqti
gamoZiebulia, magram damnaSaveebs dasa-
kiTxad ar iZaxeben. amis mizezi ki Turme,
prokuror-gamomZieblebis moucleloba yo-
fila. es ar aris borotmoqmedebisTvis xe-
lis dafareba, danaSaulis dafarva da ga-
rigebaSi Sesvla? iq sadac did Tanxebzea
saubari, cxadia, arian dainteresebuli pi-
rebic, damnaSave imisTvis iyenebs am fuls,
rom danaSauli SerCes. Zalian didi eWvi
arsebobs, rom es Tanxa im pirebis mosasyi-
dad ixarjeba, romlebsac didi gavlena aqT
xelisuflebaSi, mefis, anu biZina ivaniSvi-
lis karze, swored maTzea damokidebuli,
daiwyeba Tu ara gamoZieba, miTumetes, rom
batonma biZinam Tavis cnobil preskonfe-
renciaze calsaxad Tqva, rom mis xelSia
gasaRebi, gamoiZiebs Tu ar gamoiZiebs da-
naSauls, dasjis Tu ar dasjis borotmoq-
medebs, gamodis TviTon premier-ministri
yofila pasuxismgebeli, Cemi saqmis gamoZi-
eba rom gaCerda. ratom unda hqondes pre-
mier-ministrs borotmoqmedis dasjis Tu
ar dasjis ufleba?
iq argumentad iyo moyvani-li, saxelmwifos 7 miliardi eq-neba gadasaxdeli da daiqcevao.ra SuaSia Cem saqmesTan saxelm-wifo, roca me kerZo pirebs ve-davebi. vsvam kiTxvas, ratom ararian dakiTxuli da dapatimre-buli borotmoqmedebi, rode-sac saxezea danaSauli da esxalxi isev agrZelebs kompaniisZarcva-ngrevas.
Cemi azriT, am borotmoqmedebTan gari-
gebulebi arian. me ar vici konkretulad ra
mizeziT ar iZieben, magram es aris maTi
mxridan danaSaulSi Tanamonawileoba. xom
faqtia, rom saxelmwifo institutebi,
kerZod, prokuratura ise ar muSaobs, ro-
gorc unda muSaobdes.
__ kkoohhaabbiittaacciiiiss ddaammTTaavvrreebbaass xxoomm aarr uucc-
ddiiaann?? ggaammooddiiss yyvveellaaffeerrii iisseevv ppoolliittiikkuurr
nneebbaazzee yyooffiillaa ddaammookkiiddeebbuullii..
_ kohabitacia ar Wirdeba damnaSavi da-
kiTxvas, am `biznesmenebs~ dasakiTxadac ki
ar dauZaxes, arada sxva uamrav saqmeze
ikiTxeba xalxi. axla sasamarTlos ZaliT-
Ra vcdilob am saqmis adgilidan daZvras,
radgan prokuratura arafers akeTebs. ge-
TanxmebiT, rom yvelaferi isev politikur
nebazea damokidebuli, magram es ukve poli-
tikac aRar aris, danaSaulebrivi qmedebaa.
danaSauls politikiT ver SeniRbav. qar-
Tul politikaSi imitomac arian mravlad
xelmocaruli, usaqmuri medroveebi, rom
elodebian im dRes, roca eqnebaT politi-
kuri Tanamdeboba, rom borotmoqmedebs Se-
ekran da gaiyon qarTveli xalxis sisxlze
da cremlze `naSovni~ qoneba. aucileblad
unda Seicvalos mTeli saxelmwifo siste-
ma, Camoyalibdes iseTi instituciebi, rom-
lebic uzrunvelyofen yvela adamianis qo-
nebis xelSeuxeblobas, samarTlianobas, sa-
marTlian sasamarTlos da a.S. rodesac ba-
tonma biZinam Tavisi qoneba daibruna, e.i.
mas ekuTvnoda, radgan Zlieria, sustebma
ver daibrunes.
ZlierebisTvis yofila mxo-lod kanoni, esec xom SerCeviTisamarTalia., rac ase ar mogv-wonda saakaSvilis reJimisdros. baton arCil kbilaSvil-Tan erT-erT Sexvedraze rocaviyavi (sul samjer Sevxvdi CemsaqmesTan dakavSirebiT), vki-Txe gaiyon, rogor SeiZlebaisev is prokurorebi muSaobd-nen Tqvens uwyebaSi, romlebmacdanaSauli Caidines-Tqo, ar ga-interesebT ra mipasuxa? iciTra kargi xalxia, ra kargi oja-xebi yavT, bavSvebi, romlebicleqsebs amboben... codvaa esxalxi, rom daviWiroT da cixe-Si CavsvaTo. ki magram is 300.000patimari da probacioneri cu-di xalxi iyvnen, ojaxi da Svile-bi ar yavdaT?
ase mizezi yvelaferze SeiZleba moiZeb-
nos, yvela borotmoqmeds SeiZleba raRac
iseTi movuZebnoT, rom pasuxi ar vagebi-
noT. aqamde kidev miCndeboda raRac kiTx-
vebi gamoZiebis gaCerebasTan dakavSirebiT,
magram batonma biZinam Tavadve gaamJRavna,
rom yvelaferi mis xelSia, anu is ganagebs
prokuraturas. es aris demokratiuli qve-
yana? ratom iRebs batoni biZina valdebu-
lebas Cemi qonebis dabruneba-ar dabruneba-
ze. man isic sajarod Tqva, rac naciona-
lebma xalxs fuli waarTves, im fuliT
lobistebi iqiraves, romlebmac xelSi Se-
mikleso. Tu Segikles, maSin Seni qonebiT
gaeci pasuxi, sxvis qonebaze ratom pirde-
bi rom ar daabruneb, rogor unda ivaWro
sxvisi qonebiT? mainteresebs, ratom aZ-
levs batoni biZina Tavs imis uflebas, rom
viRac lobistebis winaSe iRebs valdebu-
lebas, nacional borotmoqmedebs rom ar
dakiTxavs.
manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24
ratom afarebs xels axali xelisufleba
yaCaRebis bandas, romelmac `kavkazus onlainis~
mflobels mamia sanadiraZes 80%-iani wili
`aaxia~ da kompanias TviTon daepatrona?
7 gv.
10 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
interviu gazeT
`qronika+~ redaqtorTan
eliso kilaZesTan
_ qalbatono eliso, dRevan-
deli Cveni saubari mimdinareobs
rubrikiT `gismenT, kolega!~ Cven
gvaqvs dabeWdili ramdenime in-
terviu JurnalistebTan, dRes ki
saubars, albaT, ver daviwyebT
imis gareSe, rom ar gavigo Tqve-
ni Sefaseba da STabeWdileba pre-
mier-mministris da teleJurnalis-
tebis Sexvedraze.
_ saerTod, momwons, rom pre-
mieri xvdeba eqspertebs da Jurna-
listebs, magram misi gacxareba da
gaRizianeba CemTvis misaRebi ar
aris. premiers SeuZlia daarigos
Tavisi TanamSromlebi, SeiZleba
aswavlos vinmes ekonomikur labi-
rinTebSi gzis gakvleva, biznesis
saidumloebani, radgan is bevrad
ufro kompetenturia am sakiTxeb-
Si, magram mas ar aqvs ufleba
Wkua aswavlos Jurnalistebs.
JurnalistebTan Sexvedraze
cxadi gaxda, rom is ar aris in-
formirebuli. mas ar miawodes in-
formacia, romelic aucileblad
sWirdeba da es gamoCnda kidevac,
roca `rusTavi-2~-ma tradiciu-
lad operatiul reJimSi gadaa-
mowma da aRmoCnda, rom ministre-
bi dicSi ar iyvnen namyofi. es ar
icoda premier-ministrma. premiers
datvirTuli samuSao reJimi aqvs
da pressamsaxurma unda miawodos
ara is informacia, romelic esi-
amovneba, aramed is, rac realurad
xdeba.
igive iyo Cems SemTxvevaSi,
roca faresiSvili-amirejibis
skandalze premier-ministri in-
formirebuli ar iyo da gaugebar
konteqstSi 16-jer axsena Cemi sa-
xeli da gvari. mere daviTvale,
soso ciskariSvili axsena
11-jer, me _ 16-jer. mokled, Cemi
rekordi jer ZalaSia. es xumro-
biT, magram saqme isaa, rom man ar
icoda saqmis arsi, eliso kilaZe
ki ar iTxovs nacvliSvilis gada-
yenebas, aramed is saqmeebi, romle-
bic prokuraturaSi devs. 3000-ze
meti saCivaria Setanili prokura-
turaSi da ar sWirdeba amis gan-
xilvas politikuri neba.
me kategoriulad vacxadeb _
giorgi margvelaSvili da
yvela sxva, vinc ambobs, rom ko-
habitacia 27 oqtombers das-
ruldeba ityueba, radgan arc
premiers da arc prezidents
ar aqvs ufleba sasamarT-
los saqmianobaSi Caerios.
yvelaze mTavari prob-
lema, rac sazogadoebas
udgas aris is, rom samar-
Tlianobis aRdgena ar xdeba.
Cven sistematiurad vwerT konkre-
tul saqmeebze. adamianebs saCivari
SeaqvT da es saqmeebi kvlav igive
prokurorebisa da gamomZieblebis
xelSi xvdeba, vinc am danaSauleb-
Si, minimum, eWvmitanilni arian.
vfiqrob, premier-ministri, au-
cileblad unda Sexvdes presis
warmomadgenlebs, moswons Tu ara
mas Cveni pozicia.
premier-ministrispressamsaxuri, zoga-dad, fiqrobs imaze, rombaton biZinas diskom-forti ar Seuqmnas. Ta-mamad vityvi, premier-ministris piar-samsa-xuri muSaobs cudad.
aris raRacebi, rac axalma xe-
lisuflebam gaakeTa, magaliTad,
sadazRvevo sferoSi, soflis me-
urneobis kuTxiT da a.S. samwuxa-
rod, me vxedav, rom xelisufle-
bis piar-jgufebTan aravis aqvs
survili es miRwevebi mosaxleo-
bamde miitanos.
amitom, me mgonia, ufro rTu-
lad aris saqme, gansakuTrebiT
maSin, roca premieri ambobs, rom
ar surs gansxvavebuli azris
mosmena da mas hyavs kargi da sa-
ukeTeso ministrebi. me ase ar
vfiqrob da amis dasturia baCo
axalaias faruli mosmenebi,
rac sasamarTlos ga-
dawy v etilebiT
unda yofiliyo
sanqcirebuli.
sinamdvileSi
ki faruli
kadrebi gamoi-
tana, savarau-
dod, cixis
romelime Tanam-
Sromelma.
c i xe e b S ig a c i l e b i TmZime situa-ciaa. imaze rTu-li, vidre
T v i T
premiers warmoudge-nia. eqskluziurad ge-tyviT, miviRe informa-cia, rom arCevnebamdeerTi kviriT adre cixe-ebSi igegmeba bunti. ker-Zod, me-15, me-17 da me-8dawesebulebebSi.
_ vin SeiZleba iyos am buntis
maprovocirebeli?
_ Tqven ggoniaT, sozar suba-
ris uwyebaSi yofili xelisufle-
bis momxreebi da Zveli kadrebi
aRar arian darCenili?
arc erT Zalovan struqturaSi
srulfasovani reforma ar Catare-
bula da adamianebi, romlebic wina
xelisuflebis dros merabiSvilis
sadRegrZelos magidebze Semdgari
svamdnen, kvlav Zvel Tanamdebobeb-
ze arian. es rom marTlac asea, ma-
galiTic SemiZlia mogiyvanoT: qu-
TaisSi varcixesTan Catarda speco-
peracia. specoperaciis xelmZRvane-
li iyo imereTis samxareo sammarT-
velos maSindeli ufrosi levankaxiani.
am specoperaciis dros erT-
erT gardacvlils, gvarad kiziri-
as, 53 tyvia aqvs moxvedrili. gu-ram donaZem ki iseTi insceni-
reba dadga, TiTqos gardacvlils
avtomati eWira xelSi, Tumca is
ver gaiTvaliswina, rom kiziria
bavSvobidan invalidi iyo da mar-
cxena xeliT yavis Wiqasac ver
iWerda.
arsebobs mZRoli, mowme, ro-
melsac gardacvlili Tavis megob-
rebTan erTad varcixeSi mihyavda.
igi irwmuneboda, rom mgzavrebs
aranairi iaraRi ar hqoniaT. 3
adamiani Caxoces da mere daiwyes
am saqmis `gapraveba~.
specoperaciis xelmZR-
vaneli levan kaxia-ni isev Sss-Si an-titeroristuli
centris ufro-
sis moadgilea,
sakmaod maRali
T a n a m d e b o b a
uWiravs.
aseTi kon-
kretul dana-
SaulSi eWvmita-
nili pirebi das-
jilni ar arian da
es aris Zalian
cudi.
ramdenime xnis win premier-mi-
nistri misma garemocvam Seaxved-
ra gagif aqberovs, musulman
Seixs. wina xelisufleba mas mu-
sulmanur liderad aRiarebda,
Tumca aqberovs 12 weliwadi
hqonda moxdili gaupatiurebis
gamo. es is gagif aqberovia, ro-
melsac Saqro kalaSovis saxli
aCuqes.
aqberovis kvlav aRzevebam uk-
mayofileba gamoiwvia Cvens azer-
baijanel moqalaqeebSi, radgan bi-
Zina ivaniSvili maTac dahpirda
samarTlianobis aRdgenas da saa-
kaSvilis xelisuflebis mier `da-
niSnuli~ Seixis moxsnas privile-
girebuli postidan. arada, ase ar
moxda. aqberovi kvlav Seixia da
kvlav gavlenebiT sargeblobs.
igive situaciaa qvemo qarTl-
Sic. premier-ministrs Sexvdnen
misive TanamebrZolebi, adamianebi,
romlebmac Tavis droze Tavi
gaswires biZina ivaniSvilisa da
`qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardaWeris
gamo, da moindomes misTvis miewo-
debinaT informacia Tedo feiq-riSvilis Sesaxeb, romelic
flobs 14 mln. laris Rirebule-
bis miwebs am regionSi. maT ainte-
resebdaT saidan SeiZleba hqonoda
sakrebulos rigiT deputats 14
mln. lari.
Cven gamovaqveyneTTaRliTuri sqema, rom-liTac sargeblobdafeiqriSvili miwebismiTvisebis saqmeSi davvaraudobdiT, rom masdakiTxvaze daibarebd-nen, radgan is gardaban-Si, pirdapir SemiZliavTqva, gayalbebuli ar-Cevnebis gziT gaxda de-putati, magram, samagie-rod, miviReT is, rom fe-iqriSvili zviad ZiZi-gurma partiaSi miiRo
da dRes konservati-uli partiis, anu`qarTuli ocne-bis~ erT-erT su-bieqts warmoad-gens.
samwuxaro realobaa
es, magram am realobis
mosmena premiers ar
surs.
me mjera, mas unda,
rom hyavdes kargi ga-
remocva da ar surs,
Secdes garemocvis
SerCevaSi, magram es
ase ar aris.
rac male daub-
rundeba realobas,
Zalian kargi iqneba, magram Tu po-
litikidan midis da amiT aris ga-
mowveuli misi indiferentuli
damokidebuleba simarTlisadmi,
maSin saqme mTlad saxarbielod
ar unda iyos.
_ magram is samoqalaqo seq-
torSi gadasvlas gegmavs da ero-
gorc TviTon ambobs, iqedan akon-
trolebs xelisuflebas.
_ me vfiqrob, rogorc mas
warmoudgenia, ise rbilad ar gan-
viTardeba movlenebi. misi wasvlis
Semdgom koaliciaSi bevrad ufro
mZime procesebi daiwyeba.
Tanac, roca ambobs, rom Tavad
unda waradginos memkvidre, Tu is
midis politikidan da midis, ro-
gorc koaliciis lideri, maSin
rigiT adamians, Tundac miliar-
ders samarTlebrivad ar aqvs uf-
leba wamoayenos premieris kandi-
datura.
samwuxarod, koaliciaSi ar
aRmoCnda adamiani, romelic mas
amas etyoda.
ramdenime dRis win ba-tonma premierma ganacxadaagreTve, rom misi aRmoCenaaris levan murusiZe, ius-ticiis sabWos mdivani. Se-iZleba baton biZinas le-van murusiZeze informaci-as ar awvdian, magram masSeuZlia internetis saSua-lebiT moiZios masze cno-bebi da aRmoaCens, rom esadamiani iyo erT-erTi mo-samarTlea girgvlianissaqmeze da bevr Zalian mZime ga-
dawyvetilebaze aqvs xeli mowe-
rili, maT Soris politikuri
oponentebis winaaRmdeg. ase rom,
misi aRfrTovaneba sruliad uad-
giloa. aseTi tipis Secdomebi
premiers ar unda mosdiodes.
_ qalbatono eliso, sazoga-
do xmauri gamoiwvia agentebis
Temam, romelic Tqvens gazeTSi
daibeWda. ra gamoZaxili hpova am
informaciebma umaRles struqtu-
rebSi. daiwyo gamoZieba?
_ bolo or nomerSi `qroni-
ka+~ aqveynebs Zalian skandalur
masalebs. me bevri vifiqre, gamo-
meqveynebina Tu ara es masalebi,
magram gamovamzeure, roca davr-
wmundi, rom informaciebi ar iyo
yalbi. me vasaxeleb adamianebs,
romlebic dRes arian `qarTuli
ocnebis~ wevrebi da warmoadgenen
politikur elitas. Tumca am in-
formaciebis gasajaroebas sruli
dumili mohyva. es CemTvis gamaog-
nebelia, radgan velodi sasamarT-
Cven kvlav gavagrZelebT
`qarTul ocnebaSi~ Canergili
agentebis mxilebas, rom
biZina ivaniSvils simarTle
gavagebinoT, rogorc es gia
xuxaSvilis SemTxvevaSi moxda
premier-mministris pressamsa-
xuri, zogadad, fiqrobs imaze,
rom baton biZinas diskomfor-
ti ar Seuqmnas. Tamamad vityvi,
premier-mministris piar-ssamsa-
xuri muSaobs cudad.
gismenT, kolega!
11#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi
lo procesebs, gaviare konsul-
taciebi iuristebTan da a.S. es
adamianebi, romelTa saxelebi da
gvarebi gavamJRavne, aravin icis,
ra konkretul davalebebs iRebd-
nen kudidan `qarTuli ocnebis~
winaaRmdeg im partiis sasargeb-
lod, romelTa wevrebi axlac
arian. `nacionalur moZraobas~
vgulisxmob.
socialur qselSi amas winaT
momweres: sakuTari qveynis spec-
samsaxurTan Tu TanamSromlobda,
es SeiZleba pativic iyoso.
kargia, rodesac TanamSrom-
lob sakuTari qveynis usafrTxo-
ebisTvis, magram baCana axalaias,
megis qardavas da sxvebis konsti-
tuciuri usafrTxoebis departa-
menti Cveni qveynis sazianod iyo
Seqmnili.
_ gamodis, rom erTma saxelm-
wifo struqturam sxva politi-
kur organizaciaSi agentebi Caner-
ga, raTa momxdariyo angariSswo-
reba partiul jgufebs Soris?!
_ amas erTi martivi saxeli
hqvia. es iyo vaWroba qveyniT da
xalxiT.
darwmunebuli var, xdeboda
garigebebi. yvelaferi `gvardebo-
da~ biZina ivaniSvilis zurgs ukan
da im adamianebis ugulebelyofiT,
romlebic idgnen quCaSi da pro-
tests gamoxatavdnen arsebuli
reJimis winaaRmdeg.
cixis kadrebi rom ara, Cemi
informaciiT, Sedegebze SeTanxme-
bulni iyvnen da es iyo Sebrune-
buli Tanafardoba 40/60 `nacio-
nalebis~ sasargeblod.
me ar gamovricxav, rom ybada-
Rebuli kohabitacia, romelic ase
aRizianebs sazogadoebas kompro-
matebiT aris ganpirobebuli da
aiZuleben im adamianebs, romelTac
evalebaT samarTlianobis aRdgena,
iyvnen umoqmedod.
_ SeiZleba, premieris pressam-
saxuri ar ecnobodes gazeTebs?
_ zustad vici, ara mxolod
kiTxuloben, aramed yvela gazeTs
ecnobian da komentarebsac erTma-
neTs uziareben, oRond premieram-
de ar miaqvT.
sxvaTa Soris, SalvaramiSvilis direqtivaa_ ar gabedoT komenta-ris gakeTeba Canergiliagentebis Taobaze, rad-gan aravis ar awyobs am
Temis gaqeqvao.minda giTxraT, rom
es informaciebi me ax-
la Camivarda xelSi,
adre rom mqonoda, ma-
Sin gamovaqveynebdi. Se-
uZliaT hkiTxon advo-
kat zurab jorbenaZes,
romelic Tavad iyo
kudis agenti. misma
Zmam, saapelacio sasa-
marTlos mosamarTlem
omar jorbenaZemaiZula, rom agenti
gamxdariyo da roca
damTavrda arCevnebi, am
adamianma, sxvebisgan
gansxvavebiT, ganacxada,
rom iyo kudis agenti,
iyo Canergili. mivida
prokuraturaSi da 32-
gverdiani Cveneba misca. ra qnas me-
ti zurab jorbenaZem? es misi
mxridan samoqalaqo gmiroba ar
aris?
mas ayurebines, gldanis cixe-
Si rogor aupatiurebdnen mamaka-
cebs da uTxres, rom am
arCevanis winaSe iyo. amas
acxadebs is xmamaRla da
Cemda gasaocrad, Zalovani
struqturebidan aravis
gasCenia survili da inte-
resi, am adamians dalapa-
rakeboda.
_ sxvaTa Soris,
Tqvenc araerTxel giTq-
vamT presaSic da televi-
ziiTac ama Tu im sakiTx-
ze damkiTxeTo. gamogexma-
uraT vinme?
_ me mqonda konkretu-
li masala qvemo qarTlSi
narkotikebis mimoqcevis
Temaze. damibares qvemo
qarTlis samxareo sammar-
TveloSi dakiTxvaze, dav-
were Cveneba, sadac davasa-
xele ori piris saxeli
da gvari, romelTa meSveobiTac
azerbaijanidan narkotiki Semodis
qvemo qarTlSi. davasaxele sqema,
rogor SemoaqvT narkotiki. ker-
Zod, wyals atanen da qvemoT
xvdebian. iqve SevTavaze, wavideT
axlave da xeviaSvilis nakr-
ZalSi sarwyavi arxi vnaxoT, ro-
melic azerbaijanidan Semodis, im
arxs atanen narkotiks-meTqi.
aravis ar gasCenia survili,
erTad gvenaxa es arxi da arc saq-
mis gamoZieba wasula win. ukve
ori Tve gavida mas Semdeg.
_ ra xdeba, qalbatono eliso,
`qarTuli ocneba~ marTla ̀ ar mu-
Saobs~?
_ mesmis, rom es, razec Tqven
mimaniSneT, aris ufaso politiku-
ri reklama da iyeneben oponente-
bis diskreditaciisTvis, magram
ratom ar aRmoCnda arc erTi ada-
miani, maT Soris, `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ piaris TanamSromeli, rome-
lic amas pasuxs gascemda? im
klipSi bevri uzustobaa da es pa-
suxgasacemia. Tumca pasuxis gam-
cemic aravin ar aris.
_ gamodis, rom xelisufleba-
Si klanebi arsebobs, erTi maTga-
ni meores imiT ebrZvis, rom pre-
mier-mministramde swori informa-
cia ar mivides da reagireba ar
moxdes. aseT situaciaSi Tqven,
vinc cdilobT, ase vTqvaT, Tvali
auxiloT premiers, safrTxis qveS
ar aRmoCndebiT?
_ samwuxarod, negatiur jgu-
febs, rogorc etyoba, aqvT gavle-
nebi biZina ivaniSvilze da yvela-
nairad cdiloben swori informa-
ciebi ar mivides premier-minist-
ramde.
rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, Cvens
gazeTSi profesionalebi muSaoben.
gamocdilebac didi aqvT. yvela
maTgans TvaldaxuWuli vendobi.
isini gmirobebs Cadian.
Cven saakaSvilis xelisufle-
bas ar vepuebodiT. axalaiebs, me-
rabiSvilebs da maTnairebs vebr-
ZodiT da bolos da bolos, ima-
sac SevZlebT, premier-ministrma
yurad iRos mediis xma.
_ gia xuxaSvili sasamarTlo-
Ti rom gemuqrebodaT, giCivlaT?
rogor ganviTarda movlenebi am
kuTxiT?
_ dRes gia xuxaSviliabsoluturad ignori-rebulia biZina ivaniS-vilis mxridan. CamorT-meuli aqvs yvela ufle-ba da dakarguli aqvsyvela gavlena. ase rom,brZolas yovelTvisaqvs azri. Cvenc da beW-durma presamac, zoga-dad, ibrZola da dadgadro, rom gaarkvia biZi-na ivaniSilma, vin iyogia xuxaSvili.
preskonferenciaze, roca ba-
tonma biZinam 16-jer axsena Cemi
saxeli da gvari, maSinac vambobdi,
mjera, is male miiRebs swor in-
formacias-meTqi. im dRidan ori
Tu sami Tvis Semdeg xuxaSvil-ma iatakqveSeTSi gadainacvla. ma-
Sin Zalian usindisod moityua
xuxaSvilma, TiTqos me davure-
ke da vuTxari, rom araferSi dam-
naSave ar iyo da a.S. me gavasaja-
rove Cemi mobiluri telefonis
imdroindeli zarebi da cxadi gax-
da, rom arc erTi zari Cemi mxri-
dan xuxaSvilis telefonze ar
ganxorcielebula. Tan moviTxove,
Tu sxva nomridan aris darekili,
gamoamJRavnos is nomeric-meTqi.
amis Semdeg xuxaSvili ori kvira
mediasTan aRar gamoCenila.
aseTi usindiso tyuili premi-
eris mrCevelma ar unda ikadros.
_ qalbatono eliso, Ss minis-
tris yofilma moadgilem gela
xvedeliZem, romelic Tanamdebobi-
dan faruli video-CCanaweris gavr-
celebis braldebiT gaaTavisuf-
les, Semdeg daakaves da giraoTi
gaaTavisufles, ramdenime dRis
win sasamarTloze ganacxada, rom
mas xelT ar hqonia es Canaweri.
rogor fiqrobT, saidan gaCnda
es video da ra konkretul mizan-
ze SeiZleboda yofiliyo gaTvli-
li?
_ CemTvis es Zalian mZime Te-
maa imitom rom es exeba Cems me-
gobars laSa amirejibs.CemTvis es istoria daiwyo
imiT, rom im dRes, roca gavrcel-
da es video-masala, mTeli dRe me
kompiuterTan ar vyofilvar, ise-
Ti saqmeebi mqonda, kompiuterTan
dasajdomad veRar movicale.
saRamos 7 saaTze piradSi vn-
axe is, rac vinme daTo beriZes
hqonda gagzavnili yvela Jurna-
listisTvis.
es iyo faresiSvilis piradi
cxovrebis amsaxveli video-masa-
la.
Semdeg movida CemTan laSa ami-
rejibi da miTxra: faresiSvili
TviTmkvlelobamde misul mdgoma-
reobaSia da moviyvan TqvenTan
ofisSio.
giorgi faresiSvili Za-
lian usindiso da uzneo ada-
miania. is Cven SevifareT ma-
Sin, roca misi saxelis da
gvaris xseneba iyo Zalian sa-
marcxvino. CavatarebineT
preskonferencia. xels
vuwyobdiT da erTi kviris
ganmavlobaSi CvenTan, redaq-
ciaSi cxovrobda. roca Ss
ministrma Tavisi moadgile
Tanamdebobidan gaaTavisufla
da daakava, sami dRis Semdeg
me vigeb, rom faresiSvi-li Temur kenkebaSvi-lis saSualebiT cdilobs
kontaqti daamyaros vanomerabiSvilTan da eZebs
kavSirebs Tamar Cergo-leiSvilTan da sTxovs
maT fuls, radgan bina aqvs
bankSi Cadebuli da sanacv-
lod mzad aris Seasrulos nebis-
mieri davaleba ivaniSvilis xeli-
suflebis winaaRmdeg.
faresaSvili axla rom
ambobs, rusuli fuliT finans-
debian, da nugzar fofxaZisproeqtiao da a.S. marTla Zali-
an usindiso adamiani unda iyo,
es rom ilaparako, radgan, gar-
wmunebT, TbilisSi ar aRmoCnde-
boda arc erTi ofisi, sadac gi-
orgi faresiSvils kars gauReb-
dnen, Tundac imitom, rom is
iyo umZimes dapirispirebaSi xe-
lisuflebis gavlenian adamia-
nebTan.
man yvelaferi moigona Tqven-
Tan interviuSi. igi arc dimit-
rovTan yofila da arc me aras-
dros miTqvams misTvis – nugzar
fofxaZis geSinia Tu ara-meTqi.
Cvevad ar maqvs Cems megobrebze
ucxo adamianebs velaparako da
meorec, misi saqme iyo, elCebs
Sexvdeboda Tu sad wavidoda.
me davwere da aqac gavimeo-
reb: Tu vinmes miaCnia, rom ru-
suli fuliT vfinansdebiT, du-
ginis fondidan da a.S. miT ume-
tes, saerTod ar vici, dugini
vin aris imis garda, rom irinagogosaSvils hqonda masTan
interviu Cveni gazeTis me-4 Tu
me-5 nomerSi da amiT amoiwura
Cveni Sexeba am TemasTan. Tu fa-
resiSvili Tvlis, rom es iyo
rusuli fuli, keTili inebos
da yvela is Tanxa, rac man Cven-
gan isesxa, erTi kviris ganmav-
lobaSi aq cxovrebis periodSi,
daabrunos.
eliso kilaZe:eliso kilaZe: sxvaTa Soris,
Salva ramiSvilis direqtivaa _
ar gabedoT komentaris gakeTe-
ba Canergili agentebis Taoba-
ze, radgan aravis ar awyobs am
Temis gaqeqvao.
dRes gia xuxaSvili absolu-
turad ignorirebulia biZina
ivaniSvilis mxridan. CamorT-
meuli aqvs yvela ufleba da
dakarguli aqvs yvela gavlena.
ase rom, brZolas yovelTvis
aqvs azri. Cvenc da beWdurma
presamac, zogadad, ibrZola da
dadga dro, rom gaarkvia biZi-
na ivaniSilma, vin iyo gia xu-
xaSvili. 12 gv.
gismenT, kolega!
12 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
Tqven zemoT gela xvede-liZeze mkiTxeT. me vapireb
momdevno sasamarTlo procesze
wavide. pirvel sxdomaze, ramde-
nadac vici, ganacxada, rom Tavs
damnaSaved ar cnobs. yuradRe-
biT davakvirdebi am process da
Tu gela xvedeliZe am saqmeSi
udanaSauloa, cxadia, Cems mxar-
daWeras is miiRebs. kidev vime-
oreb, amas im SemTxvevaSi gavake-
Teb, Tu davrwmundebi sasamarT-
lo sxdomebze, rom mas es vi-
deo-faili ar hqonia da ar
autvirTavs.
es saqme CemTvis bolomde
gaxsnili araa, imitom, rom im
versiiT, rac aqamde vicodiT, am
saqmeSi bevrad ufro meti ada-
miani SeiZleba iyos Car-
Tuli, vidre gvegona.
kerZod, piri, ro-
melmac amerikaSi
SeiZina saiti
kvercxebi.kom. ga-
daricxulia fu-
li aqedan. ar vi-
ciT im piris
vinaoba,
vinc
teqnikurad Searula es samuSao
da atvirTa video-masala am
serverze. es wre, SeiZleba, uf-
ro gafarTovdes da aq mxolod
gela xvedeliZis braleulobaze
ar iyos saubari, miT ufro, rom
batoni xvedeliZe ambobs: me arc
firi mqonia da arc amitvirTav-
so.
vfiqrob, saintereso Temaa _
es iyo piradi SurisZieba Tu
SurisZieba da brZola Ss minis-
tris batoni irakli Rari-baSvilis winaaRmdeg.
_ qalbatono eliso, Tqvens
mimarT am bolo xanebSi socia-
lur qselSi mwvave, metic,
uxamsi komentarebi gakeTda. es
Tqvens mier agentebis dasaxele-
bas mohyva. rogor fiqrobT,
Tqvens mimarT angariSsworebas
am xerxiT xom ar aqvs adgili
im klanebis mxridan, saxeli-
suflebo klanebi erTmaneTs eb-
rZviano, zemoT rom vlapara-
kobdiT, Tqven xom ar xarT
erT-eerTi samizne?
_ me mzad var nebismieri
polemikisTvis, roca saqme ar-
gumentebTan gvaqvs. is, rac
zogjer gvesmis, maT Soris ga-
ugonari ciliswamebebi sasaci-
loa, ubralod. Tundac socia-
luri qselidan, avatarebi da
gverdebi iqmneba Cvens winaaRm-
deg sabrZolvelad. is lanZRva-
ginebis korianteli, romelic
wamovida am dReebSi, piradad
col-qmari yandiaSvile-bis provocirebuli iyo.
im lanZRvis iste-riaSi feisbukze Za-lian martivi eqsperi-menti Cavatare. davwe-re _ ra unda yandiaS-vils, deda movukiTxoTu coli-meTqi? amisSemdeg es talRa Sewy-da. martivia CemTvisaxla imis garkveva,aris Tu ara es kance-lariis IP misamarTe-bidan, magram, vwuxvar,Tu `qarTuli ocne-bac~ im gzas daadga,romelzec `nacmoZra-oba~ idga.
me am mxriv, ase
vTqvaT, gamocdili
adamiani var, imi-
tom, rom Tea
TuTberiZis, ani
nadareiSvilis,
baCana axalaias
m o m x r e e b i s
mxridan msgav-
si Tav-
dasx-
mebi araerTgzis momigeriebia.
gverdic ki Seqmnes _ saxelmwi-
fos mtrebi da iq movxvdi sapa-
tioTa siaSi. ase rom, ar mak-
virvebs usindiso adamianebos
saqcieli, Tumca Zalian samwu-
xaroa, roca amas akeTebs is xe-
lisufleba, romelsac me mxars
vuWerdi da vuWer. amas akeTebs
is xelisufleba, romlis ga-
marjvebaSi mcire, magram wvli-
li maqvs Setanili.
vwuxvar, magram es adamiane-
bi ar iyvnen CvenTan erTad opo-
ziciur brZolaSi 2007 wlis
Semdeg. magaliTad, koka yandi-
aSvili kubaSi, Tbil qveyanaSi
iyo mSvidad mokalaTebuli, Ca-
movida da uceb gaxda maRali
rangis persona.
ra vqnaT, Tu ufro kreati-
uli azrovneba ar aqvT da ar
SeuZliaT sxva meTodebiT, anu
informaciebis wesierad gada-
mowmebis da garkvevis gziT
iaron, es am xelisuflebas karg
Sedegebamde ar miiyvans da yve-
laferi rom marTali iyos, ra-
sac Cemze weren, es ar niSnavs
imas, rom adamianebi, romelTa
siebs agentebis nusxaSi vaqvey-
nebT, agentebi ar arian.
iranda kalandaZe5 93 56 11 18
Cven bolomde vibrZolebT, rom
biZina ivaniSvils simarTle
gavagebinoT, rogorc es gia
xuxaSvilTan dakavSirebiT moxda
11 gv.
ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa ssaaaavvttoorroo ggaaddaa-
cceemmaa `̀TTaavviissuuffaallii TTeemmaass~~ aavvttoo-
rrii ddaa wwaammyyvvaannii,, `̀ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss
ppaattrriioottTTaa aalliiaannssiiss~~ wweevvrrii
giorgi germaniZe
__ `̀oobbiieeqqttiivvSSii~~ eerrTT-eerrTT bboo-
lloo ggaaddaacceemmaaSSii ssaauubbrroobbddiiTT `̀aa-
xxaallii mmssoofflliioo wweessrriiggiiss~~ ddooqq-
ttrriinniiss SSeessaaxxeebb,, mmooggvviiyyeevviiTT,, rraass
iiTTvvaalliisswwiinneebbss eess ddooqqttrriinnaa??
_ aTi wlis ganmavlobaSi,
jer evropaSi vcxovrobdi da
vswavlobdi, Semdgom amerikaSi
vmuSaobdi. vikvlevdi globa-
lizaciis sakiTxebs wlebis
ganmavlobaSi da cxovrebiseu-
li gamocdilebac damexmara. me
amerikuli cxovreba gaviare
ara saTburis pirobebSi, ro-
gorc es saakaSvilma gaiara,
aramed SubliT davejaxe yvela
cxovrebiseul niuanss. uamrav
profesorTan misaubria da
maqvs Cemi kvlevebi. bolos miw-
veuli viyavi SeerTebuli Sta-
tebis federaluri mTavrobis
saxelmwifo departamentSi,
amerikel diplomatebs vamza-
debdi. mqonda pativi, amerikis
dRevandeli elCi saqarTvelo-
Si da misi meuRle yofiliyv-
nen Cemi studentebi. agreTve
sxva diplomatebi, romlebic
dRes amerikis saelCoSi muSao-
ben. aq vkiTxulob leqciebs
globalizaciis sakiTxebze.
kvlevebis Sedegad davinaxe
saSineli suraTi, rom Cemi sam-
Soblo borkilebdadebulia da
nel-nela kidev ufro metad
ebmeba monobaSi. axla daiwyes
saubari avtomobilebis saval-
debulo dazRvevis Sesaxeb, es
axali msoflio wesrigis doq-
trinis nawilia, kabalizaciis
procesi, romelic iTvaliswi-
nebs mosaxleobis valebSi da
jarimebSi Cagdebas. Zalian bev-
rma dakarga saqarTveloSi uZ-
ravi qoneba, ipoTekarebis
problemas vgulisxmob, es iyo
swored, gegmis nawili, rom
krediti gaexadaT xelmi-
sawvdomi, ara pirobebiT,
aramed fizikurad, raTa mo-
saxleobas aeRo valebi. es
keTdeba imisTvis, rom ban-
kebis da finansuri korpo-
raciebis xelSi (romelTa
ukan ucxoelebi dganan) ga-
davides yvelaferi da Sem-
dgom isev mflobelebs mia-
qiraon. saerTod bankTan
urTierToba yvelgan saSi-
nelebaa, magram aq bevrad
uaresi pirobebia, vidre
amerikaSi.
__ rrooddiiddaann ddaaiiwwyyoo aamm
ggeeggmmiissTTvviiss mmzzaaddeebbaa??
_ sabWoTa kavSiris
drosac arsebobda es gegma,
magram ver Semodiodnen
sabWoTa kavSirSi, ebrZod-
nen garedan, ekonomikas
swavlobdnen. aSS-s dasav-
leT StatebSi iyo gamoyo-
fili ramdenimekaciani jgu-
fi, romelic swavlobda ekono-
mikas, rogor daeqciaT sabWoTa
kavSiri. me sabWoTa kavSirs ki
ar mivtiri, rogor SeiZleba
uRmerTo sistemas adamiani mis-
tirodes, imitom ki ar daang-
ries, rom xalxis gadarCena
undodaT, daangries, raTa dae-
monebinaT yvela qveyana, rome-
lic mis SemadgenlobaSi Sedi-
oda. `axali msoflio wesrigi~
es termini ekuTvnis sesil
rods britanel biznesmens. es
termini gaCnda meore msoflio
omis Semdgom. es aris demo-
nur-luciferuli reJimis Ca-
moyalibebis gegma msoflioSi,
sadac iqneba orfeniani sazoga-
doeba, pirveli fena, romelic
flobs yvelas da yvelafers _
mTel Semosavlebs da meore
fena _P danarCeni xalxi, anu
an mona, an yvelafris patroni.
ra samarTlianobasa da demok-
ratiazea saubari, roca msof-
lios erTi procenti flobs
msoflios mTeli Semosavlebis
40%-s. msoflios mosaxleobis
naxevarze meti erT dolarze
cxovrobs dReSi. es aris usin-
diso xalxis mogonili demok-
ratiuli faseulobebi, gare
moxmarebis produqti, romle-
bic moixmareba saqarTvelosna-
ir meore-mesame kategoriis sa-
xelmwifoebSi, imisTvis, rom
Semovidnen, daaqcion Seni kul-
tura, suliereba, mospon Seni
faseulobebi, dagaWerinon xel-
Si `koka-kola~ da `Cipsi~ da
es iyos mTeli Seni filoso-
fia. gamogifxekon jibeebi,
arafris patroni da mflobeli
ar iyo, dRe da Rame imuSao,
rogorc monam, mTeli fuli ga-
dasaxadebis saxiT gadauxado
am korporaciebs, romlebic maT
xelSia, `axali msoflio wes-
rigis~ avtorebis xelSi. Tan
unda gaWamon genmodificirebu-
li sakvebi, rom Senze bevri
fuli ar daixarjos. StatebSi
da evropaSi es ukve nawilob-
riv gakeTebulia, axla srul
damonebazea laparaki, bevrad
gauaresdeba pirobebi. realu-
rad axali msoflio werigi
aris jojoxeTi dedamiwaze
usaSinlesi cxovrebis pirobe-
biT. Seni TiToeuli nabiji un-
da iyos gakontrolebuli, es
gegmis nawilia, sabWoTa kavSi-
ris samocdaaTma welma saSine-
li daRi daasva mosaxleobas,
magitom uadvildebaT saqme
postsabWoTa qveynebSi, evropa-
Si da StatebSi es SedarebiT
Zneli gasakeTebelia, imitom,
rom maT didi xnis gamocdile-
ba aqvT demokratiis da Tavi-
sufali sazogadoebis, pirobi-
Tad, Tumca arc iq iyo demok-
ratia da Tavisufleba realu-
rad. demokratiis maxinji for-
mebi arsebobs, namdvili saxiT
demokratia principSi arc ar-
sebobs, es aris tyuili da di-
di blefi, 60-iani wlebis Sem-
deg gansakuTrebiT gaZlierda
axali msoflio wesrigi Sta-
tebSi. am wlebidan daiwyo ame-
rikelebis Tavisuflebis dang-
reva usafrTxoebis xarjze.
amerikel xalxs da Cven dRes
erTi mteri gvyavs, me antiame-
rikuli ganwyobis ki ar var,
amerikul xelisuflebasac igi-
ve mteri hyavs, rac Cven, is re-
alurad gadawyvetilebas aRar
Rebulobs, aramed korporacie-
bi da instituciebi _ axali
msoflio wesrigi!
__ bbaattoonnoo ggiioorrggii,, CCaammooggvviiTT-
vvaalleeTT,, vviinn ddggaass `̀aaxxaallii mmssooff-
lliioo wweessrriiggiiss~~ uukkaann......
_ masonebi maTi Semadgenlo-
bis erT-erTi mniSvnelovani na-
wilia, es aris agreTve sammx-
rivi komisia, bilderbergerebis
jgufi, komiteti 300, saerTa-
Soriso urTierTobebis sabWo,
rokfelerebis ojaxi amerikaSi,
rotSildebis ojaxi evropaSi,
finansuri instituciebi, banke-
bi da a.S. axlo aRmosavleTis
qveynebSi, romlebSic Statebi
Sedis, Tan qimiur iaraRze la-
parakobs. rogor SeiZleba mas
qimiur iaraRze laparakis uf-
leba hqondes, roca vietnamSi
Sxami moasxa da 400000 adami-
ani mokla iq. eraySi atomuri
iaraRis narCenebi gamoiyenes,
romliTac, gaeros daskvnis mi-
xedviT, absoluturad daangri-
es erayeli mosaxleobis gene-
tikuri mTlianoba. es aris ka-
cobriobis winaSe damnaSave yve-
laze boroti Zalebi, rac ki
dedamiwaze arsebula odesme.
`axali msoflio wesrigi~ aris
yvelaze uborotesi moZraoba,
maT Soris, rac kacobriobisT-
vis aqamde cnobili yofila da
cxra weli saakaSvilis xeli-
sufleba iyo absoluturi war-
momadgeneli misi, misi doqtri-
nis mimdevari.
nino kobaiZe
`axali msoflio wesrigi~ aris
yvelaze uborotesi moZraoba, rac
kacobriobisTvis aqamde cnobili
yofila da saakaSvilis xelisufleba
iyo misi doqtrinis mimdevari~
13saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
gvesaubreba
globalizaciis
politikis mkvlevari
zviad iremaZe
_ batono zviad, globa-
lur politikas ikvlevT. ra
gamoikveTa am kvlevebSi, ra
aris globaluri politika
da ras moutans is Cvens qve-
yanas?
_ me globalizacias veZa-
xi gaofialurebul kriminals
da ratom vfiqrob ase, amas
faqtebiT dagisabuTebT. 30-40
wlis da meti xnis adamianebi
dameTanxmebian, rom saqarTe-
loSi arasdros aravin ar
udevniaT, aranairi kategori-
is adamiani ar dauCagravT. maT
Soris arc homoseqsualebi,
axla ki umciresobebad iTv-
lebian, maTi uflebebis gansa-
kuTrebul dacvas moiTxoven
da gvavaldebuleben, pativi
vceT, esenic awyoben aRlu-
mebs. aRlumis ganmarteba ki
enciklopediaSi aseTia: aRlu-
mi aris gamarjvebis aRsaniSna-
vi zeimi. e.i. saqarTveloSi
geebma gaimarjves da cxvir-
pirmoxatulebma aRlumi Caa-
tares. amas xedaven
bavSvebi, axalgazrde-
bi, es tragediaa. ara-
da, saqarTvelo `ev-
ropul ojaxSi~ rom
miiRon, amas unda See-
guos.
globaluri poli-
tikis erT-erTi Wri-
li aris homoseqsua-
lizmi, radgan qveyana-
Si, sadac homoseqsua-
lizmi viTardeba da
matulobs, demografi-
uli problema katas-
trofulia. es antisa-
xelmwifoebrivi ten-
denciaa da pirdapiri
saxelmwifo genocidi.
glob aliz aci i s
egidiT saqarTveloSi
mZvinvarebs ekonomiku-
ri sabotaJi moqalaqe-
ebis winaaRmdeg. yvela
kargad vxedavT, rom
aTasobiT adamiani kargavs
sacxovrebel saxls. me sabWo-
eTis mexotbe arasdros vyo-
filvar, magram normaluri
gonebiT SevxedoT da Sevada-
roT: sabWoTa kavSirSi adami-
anebi muSaobdnen, idgnen rigSi
da iRebdnen sacxovrebel bi-
nebs usasyidlod. dRes ra
xdeba? sakuTar saxelmwifoSi
arsebuli banki adamians arT-
mevs sacxovrebel saxls _
Tuki ar gadaixdis bankidan ga-
motanil vals. sxvaTa Soris,
TviT es bankebic ipoTekarebi
arian da federaluri bankidan
`nasesxeb~ federaluri banki
procentebs iRebs ubralo mo-
qalaqeebis jibeebidan da imxe-
la valebSi vardeba adamiani,
usaxlkarod rCeba. meti ra
aris qveynis dapyroba? mteri
rom ama Tu im qveyanaSi Sedi-
oda, mosaxleobas saxlebs ar-
Tmevda da ungrevda.
problema is ki ar aris,
saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis
saTaveSi vin mova da vin wava,
saqme isaa, romeli finansebiT
da ra ZalebiT imarTebian es
adamianebi. daakvirdiT, sad
dadian politikosebi mosa-
TaTbireblad yovelTve. eseni
arian marionetuli mTavrobe-
bi da kargic rom undodeT
xalxisTvis, mainc ver gaake-
Teben.
gagaxsenebT, 2003 wels,
rogorc ki gairkva, rom miSam
da misma amfsonebma Caigdes
xelSi Zalaufleba, Zalian ma-
le Camovida jorj sorosi.
2012 wlis oqtombris arCev-
nebis Semdegac Camovida soro-
si ivaniSvilis xelisufle-
basTan.
aq yoveli erovnuli saqme
sikvdiliT isjeba da gmirobis
tolfasia. axla maxsendeba ba-
toni guram SaraZe, romelic,
Tu ar vcdebi, zustad oqtom-
bris TveSia dabadebuli. gax-
sovT, rogor mokles Sua ve-
raze dRisiT da mzisiT? amiT
gvaCvenes, vinc SegvewinaaRmde-
geba, davsjiT saxalxod da
verc ki gamoiZiebT am saqme-
so.BEBO
_ batono zviad, saqarTve-
los parlamenti ixilavs ka-
nons, romelic ojaxSi bavSv-
ze ganxorcielebul Zalado-
bas Seexeba. am sakiTxis
mkvlevarebi aRniSnaven, rom
saqarTveloSi bavSvTa mimarT
Zaladobis SemTxvevebi xSiria.
esec xom ar aris dasavleTi-
dan Tavsmoxveuli da ra mi-
zans SeiZleba emsaxurebodes
es kanoni?
_ jer kanoni damtkicebu-
li araa da pirdapir vityvi:
RmerTma dagvifaros, rom aqam-
de mivides saqme. kanons saka-
nonmdeblo organoebi uamravs
iReben. es maTi saqmea da ar
Rirs amis utrireba, ityvis
mavani, magram am mosazrebas
axlave gavaqarwyleb: interne-
tis saZiebelSi laTinuri
asoebiT Caweron iuvenaluri
iusticia da yvelaferi cxadi
gaxdeba.
_ oriode dRis win ganaT-
lebis ministrma Tamar saniki-
Zem ganacxada, `skolebSi man-
daturebs bavSvTa dacvis ofi-
ceri Caanacvlebs, xolo man-
daturis samsaxuri bavSvTa
dacvis, mediaciisa da fsiqo-
logiuri samsaxuriT Seicv-
leba. maTi ZiriTadi movaleo-
ba bavSvis dacva iqneba, ro-
gorc skolaSi, aseve mis ga-
reT. vfiqrobT, sapilote
programas meore semestridan
avamoqmedebTo. es iuvenaluri
iusticiis niSnebia?
_ xom xedavT, ukve saxezea
kavSiri iuvenalur iusticia-
sa da bavSvTa uflebebis dac-
vasTan.
iuvenaluri iusticiis,
rogorc teqnologi-
is danergvis Semdeg
saxelmwifoSi iqmne-
ba, magaliTad, iseTi
institucia, rogo-
ricaa saSualo sko-
laSi mandaturi,
oRond es mandaturi
SeiTavsebs socialu-
ri muSakis funqcia-
sac. soc.muSakis mo-
valeoba iqneba gamo-
kiTxos bavSvebs, Tu
rogor pirobebSi
arian ojaxebSi da
rogor eqcevian
mSoblebi.
_ Zalian kargi,
Tu mSoblis garda
bavSvze saxelmwi-
foc izrunebs.
_ diax, es erTi
SexedviT, magram me
SemiZlia magaliTebi
mogiyvanoT. iuvena-
luri iusticiis teqnologi-
iT, magaliTad, ukrainasa da
ruseTSi aTasobiT bavSvi
mowyvites ojaxs da saxelm-
wifos gadasces.
sakmarisia, bavSvma socia-
lur muSaks uTxras, rom
mSobelma mas Tambaqos moxma-
reba aukrZala, datuqsa, an
televizoris Tu kompiuteris
CarTva aukrZala, ar misca sa-
Sualeba, 18 wlamde akrZalu-
li filmis yurebisa, maSinve
iwyebs amoqmedebas iuvenaluri
iusticia.
_ da mSobeli Svils veRa-
rasodes ibrunebs?
_ Teoriulad, mSobels
Svilis dabruneba SeuZlia sa-
samarTlos gziT, magram saqme
unda gadawyvitos evropis sa-
erTaSoriso sasamarTlom.
iuvenaluri iusticia gaeros
proeqtia da samarTalsac ev-
ropis saerTaSoriso sasamar-
Tlo arkvevs.
es aris safuZvelTa safuZ-
veli ojaxis dangrevisa, rac
qveynis ZirisZirobamde mospo-
bis tolfasia.
_ mSoblebs CamorTmeuli
bavSvebi sad mihyavT?
_ mogexsenebaT, didi ten-
cenciaa dawyebuli evropasa
da aSS-Si erTsqesiani qorwi-
nebiT Semdgari ojaxebisa.
saintereso statistikas
mogawvdiT: 1998 wels ukrai-
naSi ojaxebs CamoarTves 2800
bavSvi, 2008-Si 14800 da im
mizeziT, rom amden upatrono
bavSvs ver mouvlida saxelm-
wifo, bavSvebi gaaSviles ev-
ropaSi.
am kanonze adrec iyo sa-
qarTveloSi saubari, maSin
yuri mogviTeles, axla isev
imeoreben, Tu dRes an xval
ar miiRes es kanoni, zeg mainc
miiReben.
maSin, roca qveyana ekonomi-
kur siduxWireSi aris Caflu-
li, bavSvebs ar aqvT srulfa-
sovani ganaTlebis miRebis sa-
Sualeba da bevri sxva, rasac
saxelmwifo unda uzrunvel-
yofdes, axla maTi xelyofa
ojaxebSi daiwyes. es niSnavs
pirdapir STamomavlobis mita-
cebas ojaxebidan, oRond, am-
jerad, kanonis ZaliT.
unda giTxraT, rom ojaxis
instituti CvenSi yovelTvis
wminda da Zlieri iyo, am ka-
nonis miRebas dasavleTi Cven-
Tan mTeli ZalisxmeviT Seec-
deba, radgan ojaxis dangre-
viT sabolood daangrevs da
daipyrobs Cvens qveyanas.
iranda kalandaZe593 56 11 18
ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~
internetSi
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parlamentSi axali kanoni
ganixileba, romlis Tanaxmadac,
SeiZleba, mSoblebs Svilebi
ubralo mizeziTac waarTvan
14 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
`̀aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss ddRRiiss mmooaaxxllooee-
bbiiss ppaarraalleelluurraadd ppoolliittiikkuurrii
tteemmppeerraattuurraa mmaattuulloobbss ddaa ppoo-
lliittiikkuurrii pprroovvookkaacciieebbiicc ppiikkss
aaRRwweevvss~~,, aaccxxaaddeebbss `̀ssaaeerrTToo ggaa-
zzeeTTTTaann~~ iinntteerrvviiuuSSii mmooZZrraaoobbaa
`̀iivveerriieelleebbiiss~~ xxeellmmZZRRvvaanneellii
levan koWloSvili.. iiggii
aarr ggaammoorriiccxxaavvss,, rroomm aamm ddaaZZaa-
bbuull ffoonnzzee kkoonnkkrreettuullii ppiirree-
bbiiss ppoolliittiikkuurrii iinntteerreesseebbiiss
ggaammoo,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss ssaaxxeellmmwwii-
ffooeebbrriioobbiiss ssaakkiiTTxxii kkiiTTxxvviiss
nniiSSnniiss qqvveeSS ddaaddggeess..
- okupirebuli regionis
e.w. sazRvarTan, iq sadac rusi
jariskacebi mavTulxlarTebs
abamdnen, organizacia `Tavisu-
fali zonis~ warmomadgenlebi
gadascdnen im konkretul sa-
zRvars, romelic saqarTvelos
mosaxleobas Cvenma uSiSroe-
bis samsaxurma Tu policiam
dauwesa, rasac aSkarad udis
provokaciis suni.
aSkaraa, rom es provokaci-
ebi garkveuli politikuri Za-
lebis interesebs emsaxureba.
aq aris movlenaTa mTeli jaW-
vi.
iqmneba aseTi foni, rom Tu
okupirebuli regionis mimdeba-
red, moxda seriozuli provo-
kacia, mixeil saakaSvils kidev
erTxel eZleva Sansi, rom ga-
ixangrZlivos saprezidento
vada.
- mmooddiiTT aamm ssaakkiiTTxxzzee uuffrroo
kkoonnkkrreettuullaadd vviissaauubbrrooTT..
- Tu okupirebul region-
Tan erTi gasrola mainc mox-
da, mixeil saakaSvili maSinve
gamoacxadebs sagangebo mdgoma-
reobas da bunebrivia, CaiSle-
ba saprezidento arCevnebi, anu
saakaSvils gauxangrZlivdeba
saprezidento vada. aq arse-
bobs meore SesaZlo varian-
tic. Tu ruseTma da saqarTve-
lom okupirebuli regionis
mimdebare teritoriis gamo,
garkveul sakiTxebze erTma-
neTTan Widaoba daiwyes, savse-
biT SesaZlebelia, rom nino
burjanaZe kremlidan putinTan
erTad gamogvecxados da ga-
keTdes maTi erToblivi gan-
cxadeba, rom saomari moqmede-
ba iqneba Tu rac iqneba, nino
burjanaZis xaTriT aris aRkve-
Tili. Sesabamisad, amiT ni-
no burjanaZis reitingi
xelovnurad gaizrdeba, anu
gare Zalebisa da specsam-
saxurebis xelSewyobiT.
daakvirdiT, ra done-ze emTxveva saakaSvili-sa da burjanaZis inte-resebi erTmaneTs, Tuprovokacia xdeba, mixe-il saakaSvils saprezi-dento vada uxangrZliv-deba, xolo nino burja-naZe aris am xelovnuradinicirebuli konfliq-tis ase vTqvaT, damlage-beli, Sesabamisad ukve maT
Soris midis vaWroba garkveul
politikur sakiTxebze. ase
rom, ruseTis specsamsaxurebis
mier dagegmili provokacia
zustad imisken aris mimarTu-
li, rom gamoCndes, Tu rogo-
ri ususuria `qarTuli ocne-
ba~ ruseTTan urTierTobaSi.
igive scenaria, rac 2008 wels
gaTamaSda, anu provokacia mox-
deba da mere mTavaria vin `mo-
agvarebs~ problemas, nino
burjanaZe Tu mixeil saakaS-
vilis mier CarTuli konkre-
tuli dasavleli liderebi. am
yvelafris mTavari Sedegi ki
is aris, rom `qarTuli ocne-
bis~ ganeitraleba xdeba, Tan
im fonze, rodesac biZina iva-
niSvili ambobs, rom politi-
kidan midis.
dRes sami saprezi-dento kandidatia,romlebsac reiting-ze SeiZleba hqondeTpretenzia, eseni ari-an giorgi margvelaS-vili, nino burjanaZeda daviT baqraZe, amor ukanasknels ucxo-uri specsamsaxurebi
uWeren mxars da un-daT kuTxeSi miimwyv-dion koalicia `qar-Tuli ocneba~.
- ZZaalliiaann mmZZiimmee bbrraallddeebbeebbss
uuyyeenneebbTT aamm kkaannddiiddaatteebbss,, mmaaiinncc
rroommeellii qqvveeyynneebbiiss ssppeeccssaammssaaxxuu-
rreebbss gguulliissxxmmoobbTT??
- ZiriTadad rusuls, Tum-
ca amerikulis mxardaWerac
pirdapir gamoCnda makeinis gan-
cxadebaSi, martivi eniT Tu
vityviT, makeinis mxridan es
iyo mowodeba, rom wina saoma-
ri viTareba Seiqmnas. rodesac
am rangis politikosi akeTebs
gancxadebas, es ukve seriozu-
li gzavnilia. vimeoreb, logi-
kurad Tu vimsjelebT,
aq ori scenari Se-iZleba gaTamaSdes,saomari situaciaawyobs saakaSvils,xolo naxevrad saoma-ri nino burjanaZes,es saprotesto aqcie-bic amas uwyobs xels,romelic Zalian Za-bavs situacias.
am aqciebis momwyobebi rom
daiWiron rusma jariskacebma,
amis mere nino burjanaZe Cava
ruseTSi, is sakmaod Wkviani
politikosia da darwmunebuli
var ityvis: saprezidento kam-
paniis warmarTvas, mirCevnia am
adamianebs vuSveloo da ruse-
bic dakavebulebs gamouSveben.
aqedan is gamoCndeba, rom abo-
boqrebuli ruseTis daSoSmi-
neba mxolod mas SeuZlia. Si-
da qaosic Cawynardeba, burja-
naZe mogvevlineba mesiad, ro-
melmac gadagvarCina da realu-
rad aqvs Sansi ruseTTan ur-
TierTobebi rom daalagos. ru-
seTi isev mtris xatad warmo-
Cindeba, rogorc iyo, samagie-
rod burjanaZis reitingi avt-
omaturad gaizrdeba.
me vsvam kiTxvas, Tu Cven
vambobT, rom ruseTs aqvs Cve-
ni teritoriebi okupirebuli,
vaprotestebT saqarTvelos
SigniT mavTulxlarTebis gab-
mas, maSin ratom vaZlevT ru-
sebs da saqarTveloSi moRvawe
konkretul politikur Zalebs
provokaciis mowyobis saSua-
lebas? me arcerT partias ar
vemxrobi, ubralod realoba
minda avsaxo. Zalian kargia,
rom am arCevnebis dros, saxe-
lisuflebo kolicia adminis-
traciul resurs ar iyenebs,
magram ratom ar axdens mTav-
roba reagirebas im faqtebze,
rodesac prezidentobis or
kandidats ucxo qveynis spec-
samsaxurebi ugegmaven mTel pi-
araqcias, aZleven finansebs,
romliTac xdeba saarCevno kam-
paniis warmoeba, es me vici da
Cvenma specsamsaxurebma ar ici-
an? SeiZleba Cems am gamonaTq-
vamebs didi skandali moyves,
magram es realobaa. me Cemi
gadmosaxedidan, umoqmedobaSi
vadanaSauleb `qarTul ocne-
bas~. demokratiis principebi
dairRveva Tu nacmoZraobaSi
da burjanaZis ofisSi revizia
Seva da daiwyebs im finansebis
warmomavlobis mokvlevas,
romliTac isini saarCevno kam-
panias awarmoeben, an xelovnu-
rad Seqmnili daZabulobis ke-
rebis da mosalodneli provo-
kaciebis sakiTxs Tu gamoiZie-
ben? demokratiis dacva zus-
tad is iqneba, Tu sxva qveyne-
bis mier dagegmili piaraqcie-
bi da saprezidento kampania ar
iwarmoeba saqarTveloSi.
Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT,
minda xazgasmiT ganvacxado,
rom mosalodnelia seriozu-
li provokaciebi okupirebul
regionebTan. me kargad minda
daukvirdeT TiTqos umniSvne-
lo detalebsac, radgan yvela-
feri erTmaneTTan kavSirSia.
rodesac daviT seergeenko
gorSi Cavida, iq maSinve gamog-
vecxada prezidentis administ-
raciis ufrosi andro barnovi
da daZabuli situacia Seqmna.
sergeenko da sxva ministrebi
mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT
dadian, magram nacionalebi iq
roca sazRvarze e.w. `qvakacebs~ dgamdnen, rusebs
ki ar gadmouweviaT sazRvari aqeT, saqarTvelos SigniT,
sazRvris dacvis departamentma gadmoswia,
departamentis xelmZRvanelis badri biwaZis
brZanebiT, ris Sedegadac rusebs didi teritoriebi
vaCuqeT, maT Soris yadoris cixec. es im dros xdeboda,
roca nino burjanaZe parlamentis Tavmjdomare iyo...
okupirebuli regionTan dagegmili
provokaciebi SeiZleba ori scenariT
ganviTardes _ saomari situacia
awyobs saakaSvils, naxevrad
saomari _ nino burjanaZes
mixeil saakaSvili da nino burjanaZe saqarTvelos
winaaRmdeg did provokacias gegmaven?
15saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
gamarjobaT, batono vaxtang!biurokratia franguli sityvaa [bu-
reaucratie] mogexsenebaT, da saxelmwifos
marTvas niSnavs xalxis gareSe. netarx-
senebulma zviad gamsaxurdiam erT Tavis
gamosvlaSi brZana: `biurokratia gigan-
turi Zalaa, magram cxovrebaSi suliT
maTxovarni axorcielebeno!~ qveyana mo-
viare da erTaderTi Tqven da Tqveni ga-
zeTi vnaxe, romelmac gaigo atenis si-
onis dakargviT gamowveuli uzarmazari
adamianuri gulistkivili, radgan gor-
Si umdidres adamians _ meufe andrias
gadauwyvetia sakuTari survilisamebr
VII saukunidan momdinare qarTuli,
qristianuli madlis `gankargva~ da Ta-
visi feodaluri simdidris wyalobiT,
buzs vin aufrens?! miT umetes, vin mo-
iclis `gagania~ arCevnebisas. mxolod
TqvenTvis aris naTeli, rom atenis si-
oni xalxma moiyvana aqamde da misma aR-
maSenebelmac is qveynis sakuTrebad da-
tova! sxvas ki bneleTis mociquls, `o-
riode groSis~ mflobelis caltvina
azrovnebiT, xalxi, riSelies Tqmis ar
iyos, `jogad~ warmoudgenia da mxolod
`gagania~ arCevnebisas Tu Caagdebs ra-
med, raTa misTvis sasurveli saprezi-
dento kandidati kidev ufro msuyed
cxovrebisTvis Seigulos. amitomac zo-
gierTi Tu ixveweba `is~ airCie-
To, zogic `brtyel-brtyel rCe-
vas~ iZleva, da arseboben iseTe-
bic, sakuTar kandidats ukve
`arCeulad~ rom Tvlian!
dameTanxmebiT, sacodavi sayu-
rebelia maTi `frCxilTa bRoWva-
ni~, rameTu ar ician, rom `mos-
vlad ars Ze kacisai didebiTa ma-
miTa TvisaiTa angelozTa misTa
Tana da maSin miagos kacad-ka-
cadsa saqmeTa maTTaebr~.
(maTe 16, 27).
ubedurebma arc is ician, rom
dedaRvTismSoblis wilxvedr
qveyanas bevri unaxavs amJamad is-
toriis WaobSi mofuTfuTe mat-
li, xolo atenis sioni ki mTe-
li Tavisi didebiT kvlav da
kvlav amSvenebda saukuneebs da
araerTxel misi sicocxlis ukv-
davsayofad gawyvetila Cemi mSobliuri
sofeli, romelic saWiroebis SemTxveva-
Si, arc axla moerideba Tavganwirvas.
xolo rac Seexeba 27 oqtombris arCev-
nebs, movixdiT Cvens moqalaqeobriv
vals: davafiqsirebT sakuTar arCevans,
xalxs vin hkiTxa azri, Torem gaigebd-
nen, rom aRaravis ainteresebs, vin iqne-
ba `brmaTa Soris calTvali~ da arc
usafuZvlod! qalbatoni nino burjanaZe
mis maRalanazRaurebad garemocvas rom
hkiTxoT, ukve arCeulia (?!) arada, is-
toriis Semoqmedi cota sxvagvarad az-
rovnebs: SevardnaZiseul parlamentSi
kubaRlinjoianis, xolo `vardebianSi~
noRaidelis daxmarebiT milionebis Sem-
tyapuneblis saxeliT mibrZanebuli, sa-
kuTari ojaxis naninanatri, 1 larad
SeZenil `saofiso~ agarakSi gatylarWu-
li qalbatoni, Ria cis qveS myof upo-
varT, avadmyofi bavSvi pirdapir tro-
tuarze rom ewvinaT, moRalateebs eZa-
xis, dasaqcevi 7 noembris Semdeg, mxo-
lod da mxolod specrazmelis mosana-
xuleblad mikakunobs saavadmyofoSi da
xan `msxverpli~ da xan `gmiri~ 26 mai-
sis demonstraciisa, sazogadoebas ra-
tom ar ganumartavs, misi patimrobaSi
ayvanili meuRle rogor gadadis sazR-
varze, rogor cxovrobs evropaSi Zvi-
radRirebul sastumroSi da rogor
brundeba saqarTveloSi, bednieri Rimi-
liT sakuTar saxlSi?! hoda, erTi Wkvi-
ani qarTvelis ar iyos, xelisufalSi
cotaTi juRaSvili rom yofiliyo...
an ras fiqroben dResdReobiT Zvir-
fas ZonZebSi gamoxveul `unaxavma ra na-
xa~ naTelaSvilze, romelmac vera da
ver auxsna mavans, rogor moxvdnen vano
merabiSvilisa da soso TofuriZis uax-
loesi naTesavebi `leiboristuli par-
tiis~ saarCevno siiT parlamentSi da
TviTon `damxrCvaliviT mofarTxale~
ratom iRebda Tavis lekvebTan erTad
parlamentaris xelfass?
kiTxva ar unda `xvlik~ TargamaZes,
`gmirTagmir~ sergo javaxiZes _ noRai-
deli rom Caanacvla da `ixsna~ samSob-
lo! ra sasaciloa, satirali rom ar
iyos?! da sxvaTa da sxvaTa, qarTuli
sibrZne rom ityoda: `arCevanSi cxra
iyoo da naxevari brma iyoo~. vai, rom
mova dro da imitom, rom zemoTCamoTv-
lilma `yoCebma~ ar ician samyaros Zi-
riTadi kanoni: `damdablebulni maRlde-
bian~ da imitom, rom xalxs aswavlis
ieso: `nu viyuarebT sityviTa, xolo nu-
ca eniTa, aramed saqmiTa da WeSmarite-
biTa~ (ioane 4, 7).
mama RmerTis kurTxeviT, mematiane
gamohkravs maT erT boRCaSi, daawers
`CemTvis urgebi qoTani qvasao, SeWaman-
di ki ZaRlsao~ da gaatans juRaSvilis
saflavidan nagvis amkref istoriis qa-
riSxals, iseT mousavleTSi, ukan mo-
xedvasac rom ver gabedaven, imisda miu-
xedavad, batoni ivaniSvili wava Tu ar
wava politikidan. brZeni qarTveli
xalxi ki ambobs, rom is aucileblad
unda wavides politikidan, radgan `vi-
sac unda, rom RmerTi asaxelos da adi-
dos... iman ori saxeli unda iqonios,
erTi aq dasarCeni, meore Tan wasayoli~,
_ wers eris mama da moZRvari ilia Wav-
WavaZe, da batonma ivaniSvilma kohabita-
ciuri borkilebisa da qarTvelTaTvis
gaugebar-miuRebeli prodasavlur, proC-
rdilour Tu prosamxreT-aRmosavlur
samarTalTa fonze, moyvasisTvis `Wiqa
wylis gawodebiT~ imdens miaRwia, rom
daimkvidra aq dasarCeni, xolo Tan wa-
sayoli saxelisaTvis, mama RmerTi mas
gamocdas uwyobs, radgan isev ufskru-
lis pirasaa misi samSoblo, sxvaa moZ-
mis da sxvaa qveynis patronoba, rac
mxolod `lomTa~ xvedria! me, rogorc
erTi usaxsro da upovari mowrmune,
marTlmadidebeli qristiani, Cems mamapa-
piseul salocavebTan erTad, mTeli su-
liT da guliT vusurveb baton biZina
ivaniSvils uzenaesis gamocdis warmate-
biT Cabarebas, raTa mudmivad evlos im
saval gzaze, romelzec mxolod rCeu-
li, RmerTSemosili mamuliSvilni dadi-
an...
ufalma SegiwiroT Tqven, Rrmad pa-
tivcemulo batono vaxtang da `saer-
To gazeTs~ Cemi soflis mosaxleobis
gulistkivilis esoden TanagrZnoba!
RmerTma inebos da atenis sionis Za-
la, locva da madli ar mohklebodes
saqarTvelos!
ufals ebarebode, Cemo tanjulo
samSoblov!
qristesmieri siyvaruliT da
gulwrfeli pativiscemiT
nato xuciSviligori, ateni
`saerTo gazeTis~ redaqciasase ar dasdeven. mainc da mainc okupi-
rebuli regionis mimdebare teritori-
aze Cavida barnovi da socialurad Se-
Wirvebul fenaze gaamaxvila viTom yu-
radReba. imave dRes saakaSvili ganmu-
xurs ewvia, romelic aseve okupirebu-
li afxazeTis mimdebaredaa. TviTmarqvia
prezidenti Turme infrastruqturis
dasaTvaliereblad Cavida, ra hqonda iq
sakekluco, roca mis mier aSenebuli
xidi mokle xanSi mdinarem
waiRo? an is dadgmuli
speqtakli rad Rirda, qale-
bi miSa, miSas ZaxiliT, rom
gamorbodnen da exveodnen.
ra naxa da ris gasarkvevad
iyo saakaSvili iq Casuli?
is piaraqciac kargad exso-
meba sazogadoebas, saakaSvi-
li, misi dacvis wevrebi da
avtomatgadakidebuli par-
lamentari giorgi asaniZe
or kinkila rus jariskacs,
rom dasZaxodnen, davai, na ...
ot sudao. isic xom viciT,
rogor gadauxades rus
oficrebs didi fuli am
speqtaklSi. ra undoda iq
avtomatian parlamentars, es
saqme ar aris gamosaZiebe-
li? Cveni sazogadoebis bra-
lia, maSin kargad rom ar iyo es aqcia
gaanalizebuli.
me erTi ram mainteresebs,am mavTulxlarTebis gabmaukve didi xania mimdinareobsSuagul saqarTveloSi da ma-inc da mainc arCevnebis winratom gaxda es Tema ase aq-tualuri, axla ratom Caer-To yvela, manamde ar icod-nen?
me ar vambob, rom yvela iq Camsvle-
li specsamsaxurebis TanamSromelia,
magram xelovnurad rom aris inicire-
buli da wamoweuli es Tema, ori azri
ar arsebobs. nacionalebisgan aris es
Tema specialurad wamoweuli da gamw-
vavebuli, rom Seiqmnas iseTi situacia,
rac saakaSvils saSualebas miscems sa-
gangebo mdgomareoba gamoacxados.
- ZZaalliiaann mmaaiinntteerreesseebbss iiggiivvee `̀TTaavviissuu-
ffaallii zzoonnaa~~,, JJuurrnnaalliisstteebbii,, ssttuuddeennttee-
bbii ddaa ssaazzooggaaddooeebbiiss ssxxvvaa wwaarrmmoommaaddggeenn-
lleebbii ssaaaakkaaSSvviilliiss rreezziiddeenncciiaassTTaann rraa-
ttoomm aarr mmaarrTTaavveenn ssaapprrootteessttoo aaqqcciiaass,,
rruussii jjaarriisskkaacceebbii xxoomm sswwoorreedd ssaaaakkaaSSvvii-
lliiss ddaaddggeenniill ssaazzRRvvrreebbzzee aabbaammeenn mmaavv-
TTuullxxllaarrTTeebbss??
- me ukve giTxariT, rom `Tavisufa-
li zona~ aris konkretuli politiku-
ri partiis interesebis gamtarebeli.
amaT satelit organizaciebs eZaxian,
imas, rasac ver aJRerebs da akeTebs po-
litikuri partia, am arasamTavrobo
organizaciebs abareben. sazRvrebis mi-
wera-miTiTebas rac Seexeba, saqarTve-
lo ra sazRvrebiTac Sevida sabWoTa
kavSiris SemadgenobaSi, imave sazRvre-
biT gamovida, aseTi iyo SeTanxmeba, mar-
Tlac saakaSvilma daumata es terito-
riebi da Tanac aramarto e.w. samxreT
oseTs, ruseTic guluxvad daasaCuqres.
2007 wels, rodesac sazRvris dacvis
departaments badri biwaZe xelmZRvane-
lobda, saqarTvelos mTavrobam ratom-
Rac gadawyvita, rom sazRrebze unda
daeyenebinaT sazRvris maniSnebeli e.w.
qvakacebi. es `qvakacebi~ ZiriTadad sa-
qarTvelo-ruseTis sazRvarze daayenes.
mesazRvreebi amboben, rommaT kargad icodnen sad ga-
dioda es sazRvari, magramroca am `qvakacebis~ dadgma-ze daiwyes kompiuteriT danavigaciiT daiwyes muSaoba,centridan misdiodaT e.w.wertilebi, romlebic Cveniteritoriis siRrmeSi iyogadmoweuli, anu Cveni teri-toriebi ruseTs dautovesda sazRvari ufro SigniTgadmoswies, sadac Semdgomes maniSneblebi dadges. ru-sebs ki ar gadmouweviaTsazRvari, Tbilisidan, biwa-Zis uwyebidan midioda esbrZaneba, amas sruli pasu-xismgeblobiT vacxadeb.
Tu dainteresdebiT, Cven SegviZlia
vnaxoT, romel wels Catarda am maniS-
neblebis dadgma da vin xelmZRvanelob-
da maSin sazRvris dacvis departa-
ments. gamoricxulia mesazRvreebs Ta-
vianTi iniciativiT gadmoewiaT sazRva-
ri.
am `demarkaciis~ Sedegaddidi teritoriebi davkar-geT, istoriuli cixe-simag-reebi, maT Soris yadoris ci-xe (kaxeTi), romelsac didiistoriuli mniSvnelobahqonda sazRvris dacviskuTxiT.
es cixe gremidan kargad Cans
da aqauri mecixovneebi cecxlis
danTebiT atyobinebdnen grem-qa-
laqs, daRestnidan mtrisa Tu
moyvris gadmosvlas. nino bur-
janaZes, romelic maSin parla-
mentis Tavmjdomare gaxldaT,
ratomRac ar gauprotestebia
qarTuli miwebis gaCuqeba.
`Tavisufali zona~ ratomac
ar gamarTavs saprotesto aqci-
ebs prezidentis rezidenciasTan
gasagebia, magram Cemi azriT, es
aqciebi rezidenciasTan ki ara im
sasamarTlosTan da im procesis
dros unda gaimarTos, roca saa-
kaSvils, badri biwaZes da maTna-
irebs gaasamarTleben, romlebmac
yovelgvari omis gareSe gadaabares,
2007 wels es miwebi sxvebs gadaabares
da sazRvrebic Semouxazes. sxvaTa So-
ris, am sakiTxze nino burjanaZemac un-
da agos pasuxi, romelic maSin qveynis
meore piri iyo da protesti ar gamoT-
qva.
manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24
16 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.
`saerTo gazeTis~ wina nomrebSi
gamoqveynebul masalas `ieso qris-
tem ukanaskneli sityvebi qaldeur
anu winareqarTul enaze warmo-
sTva~ axalcixidan vasil obo-laSvili gamoexmaura da sakuTa-
ri mosazrebebis gaziareba gvTxova:
noes modgma gadarCeba...
_ arameuli RvTisSvilobasTa-
naa dakavSirebuli. arameulSi anba-
nuri jami 150 an 153-ia. r-n _ 150
– anu es niSnavs saxeldid modgmas.
asergasis sami _ anu gnr _ es niS-
navs mamis saxeldid modgmas. aqedan
modis gamoTqma aran qarTvelebi.
xSirad 150, 153 bibliaSia gamoye-
nebuli. magaliTad _ qari 150 dRe
iyo amovardnili. amiT xazgasmulia
Semdegi _ RvTisSvilebma ufali
rom daiviwyes, imitom mouvlina
gansacdeli, gadarCeba is, visac
ufali swams, anu noes modgma ga-
darCeba. es cifrebi, vimeoreb,
RvTisSvilobasTanaa dakavSirebuli.
arameuli ena RvTisSvilTa enaa,
aqedan gamomdinare qaldeuric. imi-
tom, rom arameuli da qaldeuri
enebi erTidaigivea, oRond maSin
enis gansxvaveba Semdegnairad xde-
boda. magaliTad, bevr mecniers Se-
vedavebi da vetyvi _ qaldea aris
qalaqi, romelic gzaTa gasayarze
mdebareobs. aq ori astronomiuli
skolaa _ orqena da borsippeni, er-
Ti sxva meTodiT axdens varskvla-
vebze da caze dakvirvebas, meore _
sxva meTodiT da mere Sedegebs ada-
reben. sainteresoa is, rom yvela
dakvirvebis Cawera lursmulad
keTdeba da Semdeg xdeba anbanur
teqstSi gadatana. ase rom, qalde-
uri da arameuli erTi da igive
enaa, magram ori sxvadasxva skolis
mier Sedgenili teqstebiT, orives
erTi bazisi aqvs. qaldeursac da
arameulsac _ suyvelas erTi baza,
erTi anbani, 38 asoiani aqvs. gansx-
vaveba mxolod imaSia, romelma
skolam Seadgina esa Tu is sityva.
ratom cdilobda mteri
vazis ganadgurebas?!
batoni petre qoCakiZe ambobs,
rom ufalma ukanaskneli sityvebi
qaldeur enaze warmosTqva. arameu-
lic da qaldeuric RvTisSvilTa
enaa. Tavad sityva aram (r.n.) _
RvTisSvilobas niSnavs. qaldeuri
_ aseve RvTisSvilTa enaa. isini
sxvadasxva enaze ar laparakobdnen,
magram dRes undaT Tqvan, rom
sxvadasxva enaa, amaSia saqme. sity-
vis Sedgena etapebs gadioda: mov-
lenaze dakvirveba, maTematikuri
modelis Seqmna (sityva), eqsperti-
za ( manamde arsebul dogmebs ar
unda SeewinaaRmdegos), xmarebaSi
gaSveba ( sxva skolebisTvis gacno-
ba). aqve kidev erTi saintereso ram
minda giamboT: RvTisSvilebis cxov-
reba mcenareebSi vazs hgavs. yurZ-
nis dawurva modgmis movaleobad
iTvleba, romlis fesvi winaparia,
tani (samamule rqa), saWirnaxule
rqa, romelic tanTan erTad mtki-
ced dgas fesvebze da misgan sazr-
doobs; nayofi _ yurZenia, romelic
patrons miaqvs; tariggeba (uflis-
Tvis mirTmeva) Rvinoa (yurZnis na-
Juri), romliTac adideben ufals
da ufalTan ziareba xdeba. amito-
mac iyo, rom mteri vazis amogdebas
cdilobda, radgan Tu vazi ar iq-
neboda, arc Rvino iqneboda da Se-
sabamisad, arc ziareba. Sinaur cxo-
velebSi RvTisSvilebis cxovreba
Txas hgavs. Txa (aran, arve) faris
winamZRolia, ZaRli (Tar) faris
patronia, gareul cxovelebSi mge-
li (geli) euli, muxlmagari, go-
nieri, gamravlebis ufleba aqvs
(colis yolis); Tevzebidan esaa
loqo, romelic zRvamde Cadis da
mdinaris SesarTavTan binadrobs,
xolo qviriTobis dros mdinaris
saTaveebs ubrundeba, sadac TviTon
gaCnda, anu esaa nostalgia. amito-
macaa Zveli saflavis qvebi ulvaSi-
ani Tevzis (loqos) saxiT gvxvde-
ba.
rac Seexeba iesos ukanasknel
sityvebs _ eli, eli, lam sabaqTan.
es niSnavs _ nugeSismcemelo, nuge-
Sismcemelo, nu xar dafarulSi.
eli _ nugeSismcemelia, es anbani-
dan gamomdinarea. yvela asos Tavis
datvirTva aqvs, yvela xmovans Se-
sabamisi Tanxmovani aqvs. el (p=17),
rac nugeSiscemas niSnavs. Tu vinaa
nugeSismcemeli, amas sabaqTan _ sa-
ba _ bas-i amowmebs, anu wminda mTa.
TavisTavad cxadia, rom nugeSismce-
meli aq ufalia. sabaqTan... _ bas
plus anaTeb (eb = q), es niSnavs
ufalo gaminaTe. im dros roca
ufalma suli ganuteva wyvdiadi
iyo. sabaqTan-s bolodan rom wai-
kiTxav gamodis _ anaTeb wmindao _
dafarulSi myofo nugeSismcemelo,
gaminaTeo, ar mimatovoo da marT-
lac mTvare amovida.
ramdeni oreuli
gaaCnia adamians
da ra moxda
26 saukunis winaT?
aq kidev erTi saintereso mo-
mentia, sxva anbanebze ar gvisaubria.
qarTuli anbani sakmaod Zvelia.
qarTul anbanSi Cadebulia adamiani
da misi oreulebi. ra oreulebi ga-
aCnia adamians? _ esenia gvami, qva-
kaci (Zegli), saxeli da suli. anu
adamians oTxi oreuli gaaCnia. fi-
losofiurad rac hgoniaT, rom eg-
viptelebisaa, sinamdvileSi aqedan
iqeT waiRes. weRan Segnebulad vi-
kiTxe, ra aris htaxi-meTqi. CvenTan
es sityva me-10 saukunemde ixsenie-
boda, italiaSi ixsenieboda es sa-
locavi _ htaxi. imitom, rom et-
ruskebi xeTebi arian. mTavari isaa,
26 saukunis win ra moxda. ratom
aris, ra mizezia, rom nabuqodono-
sori bibliaSi zogan Zalian cud
pirovnebad, zogan Cveulebriv ada-
mianadaa gamoyvanili? _ saidumlo
swored amaSia. sityva `magi~ Tqven-
Tvis ras niSnavs? _ es aris RvTis-
msaxurTa gvari, romlebic iyvnen
midiaSi da babilonSi. gadasaxade-
bis akrefa eklesiebSi xdeba. fuli
rom aikrifeba, es saxelmwifosa da
eklesias Soris 50/50-ze nawilde-
ba. eklesia valdebulia meurneobis
sawarmoeblad daxarjos Tanxa. me-
fes, romelsac Tavis wili miaqvs,
jaris da Tavis Sesanaxad iyenebs
Tanxas. eklesias ufro meti Tanxa
aqvs. isini ise gamdidrdnen, rom me-
feebis TavianT Wkuaze TamaSi moin-
domes da Cvens welT aRricxvamde
550 wels SeTqmuleba moawyves.
swored am 550 wels babilonis me-
fem mTavari magi dasaja, anu
vTqvaT, gvaris mTavari. mas Tavi
mohkveTa. roca danarCenma magebma
SeamCnies, rom maTac igive bedi
elodaT, SeTqmuleba moawyves da
didi fuli Sekribes, raTa sxva me-
fe daesvaT _ kaci, romelic maT
Wkuaze iTamaSebda. aseTi pirovneba
farsTa mefe aRmoCnda. Tu ar gve-
codineba vin arian midielebi, ver
mivxvdebiT dRes saqme visTan gvaqvs.
midiaSi igulisxmeba qveyana, rome-
lic medeam daaarsa. roca medea sa-
berZneTidan wamovida, igi dRevan-
del saqarTvelos teritoriaze ar
dabrunebula, igi midias terito-
riaze dabrunda, meored gaTxovda,
Svilebi eyola da midias saxiT sa-
xelmwifo Seqmna, sadac mamaRmerTia
mTavari. midias emorCileba farse-
bic, sparsebic da midielebic. im
dros ar arsebobda sparsuli dam-
werloba, yvela sameurneo dokumen-
ti qaldeur enaze dgeboda. ratom
gamohyavT maincdamainc me-3 saukune-
Si medea Svilebis mkvleli da ara
mTeli 9 saukunis Semdeg? bibliis
povnac am periods emTxveva. saqme
isaa, es me-6-me-7 saukunemde rom
gaekeTebinaT, RvTisSvilebi maT ar
apatiebdnen. maSin Tavad isini iyv-
nen mmarTvelebi da berZnebs faqte-
bis gamrudebaSi dasjidnen. RvTisS-
vilebi msoflio mmarTveli elita
iyo Zv.w VIIs. Semdeg isini masobri-
vad amoxoces, mcire nawili darCa
da danarCenebSi gaiTqvifnen. kidev
erTi sayuradRebo momenti _ egvip-
tis macxovreblebi memfiss iciT
ras eZaxian? _ xaT-ka-ptax, rac
niSnavs _ xaTidan movida macne da
salocavi ptaxi moitana. ptaxs Tu
davukvirdebiT, es niSnavs _ xatad
uflis (nugeSismcemeli). es mama
RmerTis salocavia egvipteSi. amas
xom versad gaeqcevian. evropul
literaturaSi aris sityva miTra
_ es isev RvTisSvilobasTan kav-
SirSia. miTras odnav Sevabruneb da
miviRebT n.T.r-s, rac yvela lite-
raturaSi, Zvel osmalurSic fics
niSnavs. anu miTras roca vambobT,
aq gvirgvins vgulisxmobT da mis
qveS ficiT SekavSirebulobas.
ufali da planetebis
moZraoba
wminda ninom kerpebi daamsxv-
riao, xom vambobT. es kerpebi iyo
gac, ga da armazi. gac niSnavs ore-
uls. weRan ptaxSi rac vaxsene. igu-
lisxmeba, rom yvela adamiani Tavis
winapris ganmeorebaa. gac _ winapa-
ria (mfarveli angelozi), anu gac
_ RvTisSvilebia, isini visi oreu-
lebic Cven varT. ga _ aris mama-
RmerTi (daviwyebulia) da armazi _
aris Ze RmerTi (mTvare). imitom am-
boben qristeze _ Ze RvTisa, Ze ka-
cisa. armazic anbanuri jamia erTi-
dan 38-mde. ga (741) _ mTas niSnavs,
romelSic igulisxmeba ufali –
mTa _ mebrZoli, mTa _ xegrZeli.
mTa _ mebrZoli, anu sadac ibrZo-
di. RvTisSvilebi zogan brZoliT
Sediodnen, zogan WkuiT. saxarebaSi
weria, rom mamis pativiscema dai-
viwyes da qriste imitom movida.
yvela sxvadasxva fuZis angelozebs
da planetebs scems pativs. uflis
bunebas rom CavwvdeT, planetebis
moZraoba da misi buneba unda vico-
deT. pirveli ca mTvarisaa, meore _
venera, mesame _ merkuri, meoTxe _
mze, mexuTe _ marsi, meeqvse _ iupi-
teri, meSvide _ saturni. adamianis
goneba mxolod meSvide camde
swvdeba. merve ca _ varskvlavebsa
da mecxre _ angelozebis.
ratom ar aqvT
berZnebs v da J aso?
berZnebs anbabSi v da J aso anu
6 da 90 amogdebuli aqvT. ratom?
_ v droisa da sivrcis aRricxvas-
Tan kavSirSia _ meeqvse planeta _
iupitersa da mTvarezea drois aR-
ricxva Cabarebuli. radgan berZnebi
dabnelebebis kanonzomierebas ar
cnoben, maT es J asoc ar sWirde-
baT. filosofiurad Tqves kidec _
yvelaferi SemTxveviT xdebao. aqe-
dan gaCnda filosofiaSi aucileb-
lobisa da SemTxveviTobis princi-
pi. 18 weli erT adgilze rom vid-
ge erTxel mainc moxdeba dabnele-
ba, anu kanonzomiereba iTqva, rom-
lis gamocnobac mxolod RvTisSvi-
lebma ician, sxva xalxebSi es ar
aris. amitomac ar aqvT J-asoc.
dRes Cvens filologebs hgoniaT J
aso qarTuli fenomeni araa. maT ar
ician, ra dgas J asos ukan _ anu
mis ukan RvTisSviloba, misi mecni-
eruli codna dgas, romelTac ici-
an, rom dafaruli unda gamJRavn-
des. berZnebma ar ician, dafaruli
rogor unda gamJRavndes, amitom ar
sWirdebaT J aso.
weRan vaxsene, kirosma ezra ga-
mouSva da axali kastis Seqmna da-
avala, romelsac dRes ebraelebs
veZaxiT. ebraelebi ar arian erTi
mono eri, es ufro sarwmunoebaa,
romlebmac RvTisSvilobidan bevri
sawyisi aiRes da TavianT koncefci-
as moarges. aq erTi saintereso de-
talia. vin arian es sadukevelebi,
romlebic ezras Tan gamohyvnen?
esaa mcire kasta, romelTac didi
fuli da Zalaufleba gaaCndaT. imi-
tom, rom farsTa mefeebs aRar
sWirdebodaT TavianT teritoriaze
`amrevebi~. isini gamouSves, fulic
misces da uTxres _ wadiT, rac
gindaT gaakeTeT, Cvens teritoria-
ze Tavi dagvanebeTo, esaa maTi kon-
cefcia.
yrma niSnavs _ y-r=8-s, me-8
dRes xdeba dawindva, me-40 dRes
mihyavT eklesiaSi, Tan anbanuri ja-
mia 741. xaTe aris isev anbanis ja-
mi _ 59 995. amitomacaa rom zo-
gadi saxeli am RvTisSvilebis xa-
Tea. megrulSi dResac stumari ro-
ca midis _ xaTe movidao _ amboben.
anu es niSnavs RvTisSvili (uflis
kaci) movidao. aqve erTsac getyviT,
egviptis faraonTa XII dinastiis
fuZemdebelia amenem xeTi. igi WeS-
maritad xaTidanaa _ uflis win
mdgomi. amene amin-s niSnavs.
apokalifsi
dawyebulia da
3200 wels gagrZeldeba
bunebaSi yvelaferi kanonzomie-
rad xdeba. periodulad, planetebi
garkveuli kanonzomierebiT eklip-
tikaze buniobis wertilis maxlob-
lobaSi unda ganlagdnen. anu roca
isini erT xazzea ganlagebuli, am
dros tolqmedebi an umciresia an
udidesi. or ukiduresobaSi xvdeba
rogorc miwisZvrebi, ise warRvna.
amas 1200-wliani cikli gaaCnia.
martivad vityvi, warRvna Zv.w. da-
axloebiT, 2800 wels moxda. 2400
wlis Semdeg quji da farnavazi
qmnian saqarTvelos erTian iberi-
ul-kavkasiur saxls. am periodSi
ukve RvTisSviloba sxvagan yvelgan
daviwyebulia da marto am areal-
Sia. gadmovideT kidev 1200 wliT
adre, me-8-me-9 saukunis mijnaze _
bagrationebi iwyeben isev axali sa-
xelmwifos Seqmnas. gadmovideT isev
1200 weli _ dadga mijna. is rom
apokalifsia mosuli, sxvanairadac
SeiZleba vTqvaT, qriste saflavSi
15 saaTi da 48 wuTi iyo. 89-e
fsalmunSi weria _ uflisTvis
1000 welia erTi dRe da Ramis me-
samedi, anu 1 saaTi daaxloebiT 125
welia (ufro zustad 128,2w.). 125
weli, es igive buniobis erTi dRiT
gadawevaa. 15 saaTi da 48 wuTi. am
normas Tu gamoviyenebT, wesiT apo-
kalifsi 2008 wels, xarebas da-
iwyo da daaxloebiT, 3200 dRe
gagrZeldeba, anu 2017 wels, wyal-
kurTxevas dasruldeba. aqve unda
aRiniSnos isic, rom am wlis 13
marts eSmaki ukve CamovagdeT.
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soWis olimpiadis mimdinareo-
bisas, nebismieri onlain-kkontaqti
da qselSi nebismier moqmedeba
qveynis specsamsaxurebisTvis maq-
simalurad gamWvirvale iqneba _
aseTia Jurnalisturi gamoZiebis
Sedegi. TamaSebis usafrTxoebaze
pasuxismgebelia usafrTxoebis fe-
deraluri samsaxuris kontrdaz-
vervis ufrosi oleg siromolo-
tovi da Sesabamisad, provaiderebi
TiTis wverebze dadian. dasavluri
media gaocebas ver malavs `olim-
piuri korufciis~ gamo da imiTac,
rom jer arc erTi saxelmwifo
moxele ar dausjiaT.
terorizmis safrTxe da krem-
lis paranoia ruseTis specsamsa-
xurebis xelmZRvanelebs aiZulebs,
mosmenebis uprecedento sistema
Seqmnan, amtkiceben The Guardian-Si dabeWdil werilSi andrei
soldatovi, irina borogani da
Son uokeri. swored soldatovma
da boroganma CitizenLab da
Privacy International-Tan erTad
Caatares Jurnalisturi gamoZieba.
soWis olimpiadis usafrToe-
bis uzrunvelsayofad, efesbe-s
kontrdazvervis ufrosad oleg
siromolotovi jer kidev 2010
wels daniSnes. es qvedanayofi
arasodes yofila dakavebuli kon-
trteroristuli saqmianobiT _
mxolod `ucxoel jaSuSebze na-
dirobda~.
efesbe-s uwinaresad kibersaf-
rTxeebi aSfoTebs, amitomac
COMP-is (operatiul-samZebro
RonisZiebebis funqciebis uzrun-
velsayofi teqnikuri saSualebe-
bis sistema) modernizacias cdi-
loben. es aris informaciis mo-
xelTebis ZiriTadi rusuli sis-
tema. Ðîñêîìíàäçîð-is Sesyidvebi-sa da tenderebis dokumentebiT
Tu vimsjelebT, ruseTis xeli-
sufleba maqsimalurad Tvalyurs
adevnebs, ramdenad Seesabameba
standartebs soWis raionSi da-
montaJebuli COMP-is mowyobi-
loba. adgilobrivi ramdenime in-
ternet-provaideri ukve daajari-
mes kidec imis gamo, rom maT am
sistemisTvis gankuTvnili efesbe-
s rekomendaciiT SeTavazebuli da-
nadgari `omega~ droulad ar daa-
montaJes.
zafxulSi Ðîñòåëåêîì-ma so-Wis midamoebSi aamuSava mobiluri
qseli 4G LTE, romelic olimpi-
adebis istoriaSi Wi-Fi-ze yvela-
ze swraf wvdomas uzrunvelyofs.
damatebiTi teqnikuri saSualebebi
efesbe-s saSualebas aZlevs, Tva-
li gaadevnos mTliani informaci-
is moZraobas da imavdroulad ga-
filtros kidec igi.
gamocema aRniSnavs: soWis
stumrebs, rogorc Cans, tyuilad
aqvT imis imedi, rom maT informa-
cias udidesi kompaniebis daSifv-
ris Tanamedrove meTodebiT daica-
ven. rogorc gairkva, ruseTis kav-
Sirgabmulobis saministros axali
wesebis Tanaxmad, internet-prova-
iderebisTvis dawesda COMP-isaxal wesebi; maT Soris moxsenie-
bulia dasavleTSi ganTavsebuli
iseTi didi serverebi, rogorebic
aris Gmail da Yahoo.sportsmenebi da maTi gulSe-
matkivrebi, TamaSebis istoriaSi
pirvelad, TvalTvalis yvelaze
agresiul da meTodur sistemas
SeeCexebian, wers Son uokeri TheGuardian-Si dabeWdil sxva we-
rilSi. saxelmwifo Sesyidvebisa
da ruseTis sameTvalyureo uwye-
bebis veb-gverdebze ganTavsebuli
dokumentaciiT, soWis raioni sa-
telefono da usadeno kavSiris
iseTi sistemebiT aris aRWurvili,
romlebsac informaciis mopovebis
usazRvro SesaZlebloba gaaCnia.
torontos universitetis am
dargis specialistebi ganmartaven,
rom rusuli da amerikuli siste-
mebis masStabi Tavsebadia, Tumca
maT regulirebaSi mniSvnelovani
gansxvavebaa.
kanonis Tanaxmad, ruseTSi
moqmedi yvela fiWuri operatori
da internet-provaideri valdebu-
lia, daamontaJos COMP-ismowyobiloba, rac efesbe-s mis-
cems saSualebas, moisminos nebis-
mieri satelefono saubari da kav-
Siris nebismieri seansi da amis
Sesaxeb momsaxurebis mimwodebels
ar acnobos.
efesbe-Si uaryofen informaci-
as soWis TamaSebze usafrTxoebis
uzrunvelsayofad dagegmili mo-
Warbebuli zomebis Sesaxeb da ma-
galiTad mohyavT londonis olim-
piada: `quCebi, sazogadoebrivi Tav-
Seyris adgilebi, tualetebic ki,
videoTvalis kamerebiT iyo savse.
CvenTvis es gza miuRebelia~.
`2014 wlis zamTris olimpia-
dis mizania qalaq soWis aRorZi-
neba da ucxoeTSi ruseTis imijis
gaumjobeseba, agreTve putinis Zi-
riTadi memkvidreobis warmoCena~,
_ vkiTxulobT The Independent-Si. olimpiuri CiraRdani moskov-
Si agizgizda, magram yovlismomc-
veli korufcia da muSaTa ufle-
bebis darRvevebi Crdils ayenebs
soWis TamaSebs.
seqs-umciresobebis uflebaTa
damcvelebi soWSi gei-aRlumis ga-
marTvas olimpiadis gaxsnis dRes
gegmaven. gamocema aqveynebs HumanRights-is monacemebsac, romlebic
`soWiSi migranti muSebis masob-
riv alyaSi moqcevas~ exeba. gaze-
Tis korespondenti did yuradRe-
bas uTmobs olimpiuri mSeneblo-
bis danaxarjebs da Tanamdebobisa
da viTarebis borotad gamoyenebas.
`mSeneblobis uxarisxoba da
sul ufro mzardi xarji zians
ayenebs olimpiur infrastruqtu-
ras. saTxilamuro tramplini ram-
denjerme gadaakeTes da misi fasi
25 milioni girvanqa sterlingi-
dan 165 milionamde gaizarda~, _
wers avtori. aseTive mdgomareo-
baa rkinigzaze, romelic sanapiro-
ze da mTaSi ganlagebul raionebs
erTmaneTs ukavSirebs _ misi xar-
ji 1,8 miliardidan 5,2 miliard
sterlingamde gaizarda. es ufro
metia, vidre mTvaremaval Curio-sity-ze daxarjuli Tanxa.
ruseTsa da evropul struqturebs Soris daZa-
buloba matulobs. ruseTi winaaRmdegia, rom `aRmo-
savleTis partniorobis~ qveynebma (saqarTvelom,
somxeTma, ukrainam da moldovam) xeli moaweron ev-
rokavSirTan asocirebis xelSekrulebas da cdi-
lobs, xeli SeuSalos evropasTan maT daaxloebas.
kremli imuqreba, rom gaarTulebs energoSemcvele-
bis miwodebas, winaaRmdegobas uwevs saqonelbrun-
vas; magaliTad, embargo daawesa moldovur Rvinoze,
axla baltiispireTis respublikebidan ruseTSi Se-
tanil rZis produqcias iwunebs, rom araferi
vTqvaT saqarTvelosTvis dawesebul mravalwlian
embargoze, romelic sul ramdenime Tvea, nawilob-
riv moixsna.
garda amisa, ruseTi arTulebs im qveynebis moq-
laqeTa SromiT mowyobas, romlebic evrokavSirTan
daaxloebas eswrafvian. evropa CarTulia am proces-
Si da Tavis pozicias sxvadasxva politikuri do-
kumentiT gamoxatavs: es SeiZleba iyos evroparla-
mentis rezoluciebi, romlebSic moskovs sxva qvey-
nebze zemoqmedebis gamo kicxaven, agreTve evrokav-
Siris gafarToebisa da keTilmezoblobis politi-
kis sakiTxebSi evrokomisar Stefan fules an evro-
puli diplomatiis meTaur qeTrin eStonis mkacri
gamosvlebi. sityvebs Sesabamisi nabijebi unda mohy-
ves. evrokavSirma ukve ganacxada, rom Tavis bazar-
ze dauSvebs moldovur Rvinos, razec ruseTma uari
ganacxada, agreTve, yvelafers gaakeTebs imisTvis,
rom ukrainasa da moldovas sawvavi evropisTvis
gankuTvnili gazsadenidan miewodos.
adre ruseTs SeeZlo, gadaeketa navTobis an ga-
zis onkani, evropis saxelmwifoebi ki metismet sif-
rTxiles iCendnen da mkafiod ar gamoxatavdnen Ta-
vianT pozicias. axla ki, TiTqos viTarebis gamwva-
vebasac ar eridebian.
amis mizezi is aris, rom evropa ukeT Cawvda ru-
sul politikas. garda amisa, ruseTsa da briusels
bevri sakamaTo sakiTxi daugrovdaT (adamianis uf-
lebebis dacva, arakomerciuli organizaciebis mdgo-
mareoba, energetikasTan dakavSirebuli araerTi Te-
ma) da evrokavSiri am konfliqtis mxarea da ara
mxolod damkvirvebeli. ruseTi `aRmosavleTis par-
tniorobis~ qveynebs ar Tmobs da amitomac evropam
moqmedebis sxva taqtika airCia. ruseTis mimarT mim-
tevebluri damokidebuleba Seicvala, radgan mosko-
vis politika ufro agresiuli gaxda.
evropa rusul energoresursebze sul ufro
naklebad damokidebuli xdeba. evrokav-
Siris qveynebi axal wyaroebs eZeben da
pouloben kidec, aqtiurad aviTareben
energetikis alternatiul saSualebebs.
dasavleTsa da ruseTs Soris konf-
liqtis pirvelxarisxovani veli axla
siriaa. Tu ruseTis pozicia ar Seicv-
leba, moskovsa da briusels Soris `ci-
vi omi~ kidev ufro gaZlierdeba.
aisaxeba Tu ara es omi noemberSi
vilniusSi dagegmil `aRmosavleTis par-
tniorobis~ samitze, romelsac didi
imediT Sehyureben saqarTvelo, ukraina,
moldova, somxeTi?
aSkarad Cans, rom `aRmosavleTis partniorobis~
programaSi gaCnda ori jgufi: pirveli evrokavSi-
ris gzas adgas _ esenia, saqarTvelo, moldova da
ukraina, da meore, romelic Sordeba mas _ azerba-
ijani, somxeTi da belorusi.
evrokavSiris yuradRebis centrSia pirvel
jgufSi Semavali qveynebi, romlebsac am programis
gansaxorcieleblad aucilebeli saSualebebis did
nawils moaxmars, xolo sxva qveynebi am etapze yu-
radRebis miRma darCebian.
savaraudod, somxeTi evrokavSirTan parafirebis
xelSekrulebas veRar SeZlebs, radgan man ruseTTan
sabaJo kavSiri amjobina. ruseTi ukrainaze zemoqme-
debas aZlierebs, rac evrokavSiris mxridan ukuqme-
debas badebs, amitomac ukraina-evrokavSirs Soris
SeTanxmebas xeli moewereba. rac Seexeba saqarTve-
los, vilniusis samitze evrokavSirTan parafirebis
SeTanxmebas unda velodoT.
am dReebSi strasburgis ada-
mianis uflebebis sasamarTlo
apirebs, gamoaqveynos saboloo
gadawyvetileba 2006 wels ru-
seTidan qarTvelebis deportaci-
is Sesaxeb. Tu sa-
samarTlo saqarT-
velos sasargeblo
verdiqts gamoi-
tans, maSin es iqne-
ba iribi pasuxi
ruseTis `mcocav
aneqsiaze~. swored
ase moixsenieben sa-
qarTveloSi im
process, romlis
drosac ruseTis
mesazRvreebi samx-
reT oseTis sazRvars mavTulx-
larTebiT SemosazRvraven.
iqneb saqarTvelom amjerad
mainc mougos ruseTs, erTgvarad
Suri iZios kidec masze.
saqarTvelos iusticiis mi-
nistri Tea wulukiani, romelic
strasburgis sasamarTloSi sxva-
dasxva Tanamdebobaze aTi wlis
ganmavlobaSi muSaobda, axlaxan
strasburgs ewvia da piradad da-
interesda qarTvelTa deporta-
ciis sakiTxiT. misi TqmiT, adami-
anis uflebebis sasamarTlos am
TemasTan dakavSirebuli yvelana-
iri dokumentacia gaaCnia. minis-
tris naTqvamSi optimizmis gan-
wyoba igrZnoba.
2006 wels moskovma arale-
galurad mcxovreb qarTvelTa
deportacia moaxdina. es iyo sa-
pasuxo reaqcia Tbilisis qmede-
baze, roca saqarTvelos teri-
toriaze myofi ruseTis oTxi
oficeri jaSuSobis braldebiT
daakaves. skandali gamZafrda, ris
Sedegadac saqarTvelos daaxlo-
ebiT 3 aTasi moqalaqe iZulebu-
li gaxda, ruseTi daetovebina.
saqarTveloSi Seiqmna specialu-
ri komisia, romelic am sakiTxis
mogvarebiT dakavda. deportire-
buli moqalaqeebi dahkiTxes da
Tavmoyrili masala strasburgis
adamianis uflebebis sasamarT-
los gaugzavnes. ruseTis mxaris
gancxadebiT, es saCivari ar SeiZ-
leba iyos legitimuri, radgan
saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi valde-
buli arian, TavianTi deportacia
ruseTis sasamarTloSi gaasaCiv-
ron.
ruseTis ukmayofilebis miu-
xedavad, strasburgSi pirveli
mosmena 2011 wels gaimarTa. ax-
la konfliqtis orive mxare ver-
diqtis molodinSia. saqarTve-
los xelisufleba darwmunebu-
lia gamarjvebaSi, ris Semdegac
apirebs, moskovs materialuri
kompensacia mosTxovos.
bevri analitikosis mosazre-
biT, es gamarjveba, uwinaresad,
saqarTvelos xelisuflebas im
TvalsazrisiT sWirdeba, rom igi
SesaZloa, or qveyanas Soris ga-
Wianurebul warumatebel urTi-
erTobaSi pirveli aRmoCndes.
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uflebamosileba?
_ es gaxlavT uflebamosile-
ba, romelic administraciul or-
ganos an Tanamdebobis pirs aniWebs
Tavisuflebas sajaro da kerZo
interesebis dacvis safuZvelze
kanonmdeblobis Sesabamisi ramde-
nime gadawyvetilebidan SearCios
yvelaze misaRebi gadawyvetileba.
* * *
_ administraciuli organos
zepiri dapireba aris Tu ara sa-
valdebulod Sesasrulebeli?
_ kiTxva cota gaugebaria.
aseTi saxis dapireba ar arsebobs.
administraciuli dapireba
aris administraciuli organos
werilobiTi dokumenti, romel-
ic adasturebs, rom mocemuli
qmedeba ganxorcieldeba, rac Se-
iZleba gaxdes dainteresebuli
mxaris kanonieri ndobis safuZ-
veli.administraciuli organos
dapirebis kanonieri ndoba ar
SeiZleba arsebobdes, Tu:
a) mas safuZvlad udevs ad-
ministraciuli organos kanonsa-
winaaRmdego dapireba;
b) Sesabamisi normatiuli aq-
tis Secvlis gamo piri veRar
akmayofilebs dawesebul moTxo-
vnebs;
g) mas safuZvlad udevs da-
interesebuli mxaris ukanono
moqmedeba.
* * *
_ Cemi Svili da rZali gan-
qorwindnen. amJamad maT Soris
dava mimdinareobs imis Sesaxeb,
Tu visTan unda icxovron maTma
arasrulwlovanma Svilebma. ra
SeiZleba moxdes samarTlebri-
vad?
- saqarTvelos samoqalaqo
kodeqsis 1201-e muxlis 1-li na-
wilis mixedviT,Tu ganqorwine-
bis gamo an sxva mizeziT mSob-
lebi cal-calke cxovroben, maT
SeTanxmebazea damokidebuli, Tu
vis eqneba ufleba gadawyvitos,
visTan unda cxovrobdes aras-
rulwlovani Svili.
amave muxlis me-2 nawilis
mixedviT,SeuTanxmeblobis Sem-
TxvevaSi davas imis Taobaze, Tu
visTan unda cxovrobdes aras-
rulwlovani Svili, wyvets sa-
samarTlo bavSvis interesis
gaTvaliswinebiT. am SemTxvevaSi
mSoblis ufleba, iyos bavSvis
warmomadgeneli sasamarTlo da-
vasTan mimarTbiT, SeCerebulia.
meurveobisa da mzrunvelobis
organo niSnavs bavSvis warmo-
madgenels, romelic saqmis sasa-
marTlo ganxilvis dros bavSvis
interesebs warmoadgens.
* * *
_ dedas qmris ojaxma bavSvi
waarTva da naxvis saSualebas ar
aZlevs. rogor moviqceT?
_ Tqven SegiZliaT mimarToT
sasamarTlos da sarCeliT mo-
iTxovoT, rom bavSvis sacxovre-
bel adgilad ganisazRvros Tqve-
ni sacxovrebeli misamarTi. sanam
es moxdeba, Tqven SegiZliaT,
aseve, mimarToT gancxadebiT sa-
samarTlos, gangisazRvroT bavS-
vis naxvis dReebi da saaTebi. sa-
varaudod, aRniSnuli sakiTxis
daregulireba sasamarTlos mier
moxdeba bavSvis mamasTan SeTan-
xmebiT.
* * *
_ var pirveli jgufis in-
validi. meuRles surs CemTan
ganqorwineba. vrCebi ulukmapu-
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mSoblebic gardacvlili myavs.
Cemi erTaderTi marCenali iyo
meuRle. ris gakeTeba SemiZlia
samarTlebrivad? ras mirCevT?
_ saqarTvelos samoqalaqo
kanonmdebloba aseZT SemTxvevaSi
Tqven ganiWebT meuRlisagan sar-
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im meuRlis TxovniT, romelsac
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ldebulia, ganqorwinebis saqmis
gadawyvetasTan erTad gansazRv-
ros im saxsrebis odenoba, rac
unda gadaxdes meore meuRles.
Cemi, rogorc iuristis rCe-
vaa, es sakiTxi aucileblad da-
ayenoT Sesabamis SesagebelSi,
romelic warmoadgens Tqvebs pa-
suxs sarCelSi dayenebul moT-
xovnebaTan dakavSirebiT.
* * *
_ SeiZleba Tu ara sasamarT-
lo xarjebis gadavadeba an Sem-
cireba kanonis mixedviT?
_ SeiZleba. dagikonkretebT:
saqarTvelos samoqalaqo sap-
roceso kodeqsis 48-e muxlis
Sesabamisad, sasamarTlos, mxare-
Ta qonebrivi mdgomareobis gaT-
valiswinebiT, SeuZlia erT an
orive mxare gadauvados saxelm-
wifo biujetis sasargeblod sa-
samarTlo xarjebis gadaxda an
Seamciros maTi odenoba, Tu mxa-
re sasamarTlos warudgens
utyuar mtkicebulebebs.
* * *
-SSeiZleba Tu ara qonebrivi
dava ganixilos arbitraJma?
-SeiZleba. dagikonkretebT:
saqarTvelos samoqalaqo sap-
roceso kodeqsis me-12 muxlis
Sesabamisad, pirTa Tanasworoba-
ze damyarebuli kerZo xasiaTis
qonebrivi dava, romlis mowesri-
gebac mxareebs SeuZliaT erTma-
neTs Soris, mxareTa SeTanxme-
biT, SeiZleba gansaxilvelad ga-
daeces arbitraJs.
* * *
-vvis mier unda moxdes gan-
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- saqarTvelos samoqalaqo
kodeqsis 1131- muxlis mixedviT,
ganqorwinebis Sesaxeb gadawyve-
tilebis gamotanisas sasamarT-
lo gansazRvravs, Tu romelma
meuRlem unda gadaixados kano-
niT gansazRvruli baJi, aseve,
Tu saWirod miiCnevs, rom baJi
unda gadaxdes orive meuRles,
igi gansazRvravs TiToeuli me-
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sixaruliZe samedi-
cino dargis muSa-
kia, magram avadmyo-
febs saukuneebiT
gamocdili sagvare-
ulo wamal-malamo-
Ti mkurnalobs. igi
warmatebiT kurnavs:
o s t e o q o n d r o z s ,
poliarTrits, mwva-
ve radikulits, kis-
ris, mxris da menj-
barZayis muxl-saxs-
rebis arTrits; qveda kidurebis sisxlZarRv-
Ta Seviwroebas, e.w. marilebis dagrovebas
quslisa da terfis areSi, diskozs, samwvera
nervis anTebas, Sida qalis wnevas.
wamali mcenareulia da aranairi ukuCve-
neba ar aqvs.
nana TaTaraSvili: me erT-erTi imaTgani
var vinc sakuTar Tavze gamoscada es wamali.
saxsrebis autanel tkivils vgrZnobdi.
saxalxo mkural irma sixaruliZesTan. me-
aTe seansis Semdeg tkivili mTlianad gamiq-
ra, aRmidga Sromisunarianoba, gamiumjobes-
da sisxlis moZraoba.
qalbaton irmasTan ganikurna cnobili
msaxiobi leila abaSiZe, msoflio Cempioni
dito SaniZe, damsaxurebuli pedagogi nanu-
li meliqiSvili, reJisori lili jiqiZe, mwe-
rali merab SaTiri da sxva mravali.
dito SaniZe: yofili msoflio Cempioni
var mZleosnobaSi. axalgazrdobaSi ramde-
nime seriozuli travma miviRe. aTasgvari
mkurnalobiT Tavmobezrebuls gankurnebis
didi imedi ar mqonda. irma sixaruliZesTan
20-dRiani mkurnalobis Semdeg ki Sedegi aS-
kara iyo da mec vaRiare am wamlis Zala.
manana CxikviSvili: eqimebma damisves arT-
rozis anu koqsarTrozis sawyisi formis di-
agnozi. TxuTmetdRiani kursis Semdeg me,
faqtobrivad, ganvikurne. mTeli cxovreba
qalbatoni irmas madlieri viqnebi.
saxalxo mkurnali (mcenareuli panacea)
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oTxasi wlis winaT Cveni winaprebi iZu-
lebiT iqnen gadasaxlebulni iranSi, kerZod,
fereidanSi _ patara saqarTveloSi, sadac,
miuxedavad udidesi winaaRmdegobisa da ze-
wolisa, qarTvelebma SevZeliT erovnuli
TviTmyofadobisa da mSobliuri enis Senar-
Cuneba.
yoveli fereidnelis ocnebaa saqarTve-
loSi dabruneba da damkidreba, momavali Ta-
obebis qarTul, erovnul tradiciebze aRz-
rda. swored dRes dadga es nanatri dro,
Cven ojaxebiT davubrundiT Cvens mama-papur
samSoblo _ saqarTvelos, raTa Cvenma Svi-
lebma qarTul enaze miiRon ganaTleba da
qarTul tradiciebze aagon TavianTi momava-
li.
magram, Cvenda samwuxarod, movlenebi ise
ganviTarda, rom saqarTvelos parlamentis
mier iranis moqalaqeTa sabanko angariSebis
gayinvis Sesaxeb miRebulma kanonma udidesi
finansuri da moraluri dartyma mogvayena
saqarTveloSi dabrunebul fereidnel qarT-
velebs. xeli SegviSala zemoT aRniSnuli
miznebis miRwevaSi. Seqmnili situaciidan
gamomdinare, migvaCnia, rom Tqveni Tanadgoma
da daxmareba am sakiTxSi aris erTaderTi
pozitiuri gamosavali. Cven gvjera Tqveni
gulisxmierebisa da udidesi patriotizmis
da mogmarTavT, rogorc qarTveli eris ma-
mas, gulTan axlos miitanoT Cveni gasaWiri
da gagviwioT daxmareba aRniSnuli proble-
mis mogvarebaSi.
Rrma pativiscemiT,
fereidneli qarTvelebis saxeliT
a. baTuaSvili
saqarTvelos premier-ministrs b-n bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaanniiSSvviillss
saqarTveloSi dabrunebuli fereidneli qarTvelebis
g a n c x a d e b a
Tamaz fircxalavas gaxseneba
ukve 40 dRe gvaSorebs erTma-
neTs. TiTqmis 10 weli vebrZodiT
SenTan erTad ukurnebel sens.
bolos mainc maradisobam gaimar-
jva. udidesi tkivili da monat-
reba dagvitove. carielia saxli
Sens gareSe. axla vigrZeniT, rom
sarecels mijaWvulic ki avsebdi yvelafers.
gvenatrebi.
vevedrebiT ufals, Seni suli daamkvidros uf-
lis mier mitevebulTa Soris.
meuRle, da, Svilebi,
disSvilebi, SviliSvilebi.
ra daaSaves
artistebma?
kaxa kaxabriSvili (saqtelera-
diokorporaciis Tavmjdomaris moad-
gile, reJisori): skolis damTavrebis
Semdeg kinosareJisoro fakultetze
Sevitane sabuTebi. ar vicodi da Tur-
me im wels am fakultetze miReba ar
iyo. ras vizamdi, wamosvla davapire.
Teatraluris karebTan studenti da-
mawies: mobrundes, unda davelapara-
koTo. leqtorebma Cemi sabuTebi kidev
erTxel gadaaTvalieres: paraSutis-
ti, kalaTburTeli, frenburTeli,
kargi moswavle. msaxioboba ar gin-
dao? _ SemomTavazes. ara-meTqi, _ Se-
vicxade. Turme akaki xorava zis iq.
_ Svilo, ra dagiSaveT artisteb-
mao? da akaki rom davinaxe, sul gav-
Tavdi. niWi ar maqvs-meTqi, waviluR-
luRe. iqneb gecadao, _ miTxra. viRac
qalma CamCurCula: jarSi ar wagiyva-
neno. ase gadavwyvite msaxioboba. ga-
mocdaze vcdilobdi akaki xoravasT-
vis mimebaZa, xmas viboxebdi da ise
vkiTxulobdi: `hei, Tqven, aragvele-
bo~, davxoce xalxi siciliT. Cavaba-
re, magram me mainc sareJisoroze min-
doda gadasvla da erTxelac cxone-
bulma kukuri patariZem, marjaniSvi-
lis mowafem, didebulma reJisorma,
roca vkiTxe, ratom mimiReT samsaxi-
oboze, me xom msaxiobis niWi ar
maqvs-meTqi, miTxra: Svilo, Seni sabu-
Tebi rom vnaxeT, rom gagesaubreT,
mivxvdiT, Sennairi adamiani gamoadgeba
Teatrs, radgan Teatrs mxolod kar-
gi msaxiobi da reJisori ki ara, ga-
naTlebuli da Teatris moyvaruli
direqtoric sWirdebao. ase fiqrobd-
nen momavalze.
interviu micvalebulTan
vaxtang kobaiZe (redaqtori,komentatori, specialuri korespon-
denti): saxels da gvars ar vityvi,
erT Jurnalist gogonas daavales,
unda gaakeTo siuJeti elene axvledi-
anzeo. lamis mTeli televizia gada-
atriala, eZebda telefonis nomers,
rom daereka elene axvledianTan da
interviuze daeTanxmebina.
verikos nacnobi
taqsisti
kaxa kaxabriSvili (sxvadasxvadros saqarTvelos teleradiomauwye-
blobis redaqtori, korespondenti):erTma rusma Jurnalistma miTxra er-
Txel: ucnauri xalxi xarT. Camovedi,
rom siuJeti gavakeTo veriko anjafa-
riZeze. taqsis mZRols viTxari misa-
marTi. mimiyvana, iq ar cxovrobs, arc
aq, axla sxva misamarTze mivediT, arc
iq aris, davdivarT ase, davatareb am
taqsists, bolos mkiTxa: miTxariT,
vis eZebT, iqneb me vici misamarTio?!
veriko anjafariZes veZeb-meTqi. egre
geTqva, adamianoo, miTxra da mimiyvana
veriko anjafariZesTano.
stumrad erosisTan
kaxa kaxabriSvili: telefil-
mebis studiaSi xSirad gvstumrobda
erosi manjgalaZe. erTxel miTxra: ka-
xuna, oqro, Tu speqtakli ar maqvs an
repeticia, yovel saRamos 7 saaTidan
saxlSi varo. karebze gamouSvi erTi
grZeli da ori mokle zario. wavida
erosi da Teatrmcodne naTela arve-
laZe metaka: Sen ici, magan ra giTx-
ra? ara-meTqi. megobrad gaRiara, raki
saxlSi dagpatiJa, aucileblad midio.
meore dRes viyide Sampanuri, So-
koladis bambanerka da zustad 7 sa-
aTze davreke erTi grZeli da ori
mokle zari.
gaaRo kari.
_ vin dagibara? _ mkiTxa.
rom Sevcbi, gamiRima _ modi-modio
da saxlSi Semiyvana.
saxlSi iyvnen misi bavSvobis mego-
bari rezo tabiZe da msaxiobi viqtor
niniZe, erTobian, Wadraks TamaSoben
da karts.
_ sapatio stumari gvestumrao, _
uTxra erosim Tavis megobrebs da da-
iwyo sufris gaSla.
erosis tradiciuli sufra aseTi
iyo: moxarSuli tarani, Rom-Wadi,
farSi hqonda sul, Tavisi xeliT ake-
Tebda katlets, kitri da pamidori,
yveli, Cexuri ludi, viski.
me vzivar wynarad.
oTaxSi Semovida viqtor niniZe.
Semomxeda da maniSnebs, adeqi, adeqio.
Semovida erosi:
_ ra fexze damdgarxar, biWo, da-
jeqio.
davjeqi.
Semovida rezo tabiZe. erosim rom
ar gaigos, ise maniSnebs: adeqi, ade-
qio.
Semovida erosi.
_ dajeqi, biWoo.
sami-oTxjer ase, amayeneben eseni,
erosi damsvams. vifiqre, sasacilod
migdeben, aRar avdgebi axla, rac gin-
da miTxran-meTqi.
mSvenieri saRamo gamovida.
erosim gamomacila da wamosvlisas
wynarad miTxra: oqro, mag adgilas
aRar dajde, ra, Cemi adgiliao.
qarTvelebi
moskovSi
vaxtang kobaiZe: `monaniebis~
premieraze var moskovSi. sxvaTa So-
ris, `monanieba~ Cveni drois televi-
ziis dakveTiT aris gadaRebuli, es
telefilmia, Tumca Tavidan gaformda,
rogorc telespeqtakli, radgan te-
lespeqtakls sakavSiro cekas damtki-
ceba sWirdeboda. nugzar fofxaZem
aiRo Tavis Tavze..
mokled, `dom kinoSi~ var moskov-
Si. interviuebi unda aviRo premieris
Semdeg. Tengiz abulaZesTan, zeinab
bocvaZesTan da sxvebTan erTad vdga-
var, Jenia evtuSenko saubrobs aRfr-
Tovanebuli da ver vaxerxeb interviu
vTxovo. amasobaSi kiril lavrovi da-
vinaxe, udidesi msaxiobi. mivvardi
lavrovs. gacecxlebuli saxe aqvs da
meubneba: at vas nesiot i vaniaet. at
kavo-meTqi, vkiTxe. ar damaviwydeba: at
vaso. at vas toJe nesiot, zavistiu i
Sovinizmom-meTqi. am dros evtuSenkom
Camavlo xeli da iseTi interviu mom-
ca, araCveulebrivi. es Canaweri radi-
os oqros fondSi devs.
enabluebi
vaxtang kobaiZe: orSabaTs
sainformacio gadacema mihyavda erT
wamyvans, samSabaTs sxvas, oTxSabaTi
hqonda merab beraZes, cxonebul guram
Jvanias mihyavs `Tbilisi, Cemi siy-
varuli~, me rusTavelis Teatrs
vaSuqeb. 1981 welia. guram Jvania l-
s ver ambobda, me xan vambob r-s, xan
_ vera, merab beraZisTvis S da s ar
arsebobda. mokled, `moambe~ brwyin-
valed Catarda, nugzar fofxaZe
gveubneba: biWebo, gilocavT, premiebi
Cemzea, kargi `moambe~ iyo. amasobaSi
rekavs telefoni. nugzarma gulianad
gaicina - "am bolo darekvam erTi
idea mikarnaxa - rogor gamovasworo
Tqveni enabluobao"... idea ganxor-
cielda imiT, rom televiziis StatSi
logopedi aiyvanes...
uSangi kapanaZe _
televiziis
winaswarmetyvelimerab xaCiZe: TanamSromeli
gvyavda, araCveulebrivi kaci, reJiro-
ri uSangi kapanaZe. Cveulebad hqonda,
yovel 31 dekembers aiRebda Svebule-
bas da axal wels soCaSi xvdeboda.
Cibuxs eweoda, saintereso kaci iyo.
erT dRes meubneba: ici, merab, breJne-
vo mokvdao.
_ ras ambob, batono uSangi, ra
mokvda, ratom xumrobT-meTqi.
Tu ar gjera, male gaigebo da wa-
vida.
maSin sabavSvo redaqciis mTavari
programebis mTavari redaqtori viya-
vi.
erT dRes batonma nugzar
fofxaZem miTxra: leila yubaneiSvili
Camovides, breJnevi mokvdao.
_ vici-meTqi.
_ ra icio? _ SemekiTxa batoni
nugzari.
_ breJnevi rom mokvda, is vici-
meTqi.
_ Sen ra ici, mec axla gavigeo.
_ es ambavi guSinwin miTxra uSan-
gi kapanaZem-meTqi.
_ giJebi xarTo, _ Tqva da wavida.
gavida dro.
breJnevis Semdeg andropovi dai-
niSna. erT dRes uSangi meubneba:
_ andropovi mokvdao.
_ damiWeren, uSangi, amas ver vity-
vi-meTqi.
amasobaSi sainformaciosTvis ra-
Rac teqsti momces, me Sevutane baton
nugzars da ver visveneb, rom es amba-
vi ar vuTxra:
_ ra moxda, raRac ver isveneb Se-
no, _ miTxra batonma nugzarma.
_ uSangim miTxra, andropovi mok-
vda-meTqi.
_ es is uSangi araa, sami wlis win
rom Tqva, breJnevi mokvdao?
_ki-meTqi.
_ Sen da mag uSangis sanam ar ga-
gacimbireben, ar moisvenebTo?
me vuTxari: naRadad mkvdari iqne-
ba andropovi, uSangim Tqva-meTqi.
meore dRes meZaxis.
_ uSangis deda ase da iseo.
_ ra moxda batono nugzar-meTqi?
_ andropovi mokvdao.
gavida isev dro.
ck-s pirveli mdivani gaxda Cernen-
ko.
igive ganmeorda.
meZaxis batoni nugzari Tavis kabi-
netSi.
_ dajeqi, _ meubneba. es wuTia da-
mireka SevardnaZem, Cernenko momkvda-
ra, sainformacio unda Sevcvalo, mag-
ram uSangisTan gadaamowme, yovel Sem-
TxvevaSio.
juRelis `moCveneba~merab xaCiZe: mTeli mTavroba
moskovSia gakrefili, keTili nebis
TamaSebi imarTeboda.
nugzar juReli safosto reiss
gahyva moskovSi.
saRamos unda Camovides, `moambe-
Si~ siuJeti aqvs.
mivedi saRamo xans. `moambis~ stu-
diasTan Sekrebilni arian da ismis
erTi xarxari.
nugzar juReli hyveba: dilaadri-
an gazeTebis sayidlad gamovedi.
SuqniSAnTan vdgavar. uceb Cems
fexebTan SAvi `volga~ gaCerda. manqa-
nis SuSa Camoiwia da ismis batoni
nugzaris xma: juReli, Camoxval
TbilisSi da me gaCveneb rogor unda
samsaxuridan gaparvao.
mere batoni nugzari ambobda _
juRelma cas SehRaRada: `RmerTo, ra
dagiSave, 16-milionian qalaqSi, am
dilauTenia nugzar fofxaZe rom
Semaxvedreo?!~
iranda kalandaZe
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