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    9 at Leo CasteLLi

    CasteLLi Warehouse103 West 108th street,NeW York NY 10025DeCember 428, 1968

    GiovaNNi aNseLmoJoseph beuYsWiLLiam boLLiNGerrafaeL ferrereva hesse

    stepheN kaLteNbaChbruCe NaumaNaLaN saretriCharD serrakeith soNNierGiLberto Zorio

    orGaNiZeD bY robert morris

    Mario Garca Torres

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    e h , st p k t b , B n m , a s t, rs , k t s , G b t Z . T pt , t tb , p m t .

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    t t m t t t t g g t t g , , t M b t pt . T t t

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    1. T p d mb 428, T t g s t , 15 p.m.2. T / t b t g: P p l ,The New York Times, d mb

    22, 1968; M x k z , Art orum, F b 1969; G g M , Arts Magazine, F b 1969;c m t M m , Arts Magazine, F b 1969; J P t,The Village Voice, d mb 19,1968.

    3. M , t t a t -F m, pp t ap 1968 Art orum.4. M f m t p t p t 1996 tt t v g G z ,

    p t t g B c g c t c t st . i t , G z tNew York Times Art orum t m t p b m g t t

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    t g t t , t t t t b .

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    Mario Garca Torres i m t t t g b t a t -F m, p t p t p t 9 at Leo Castelli, t t t

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    t a t -F m, t b t t g t t t t , b t . i g m

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    t , m mb t t m m t?Rafael Ferrer F t , t t n y t 1960

    m . T g t texp m. M m m P p b t t g t

    t b g g m m t. it p x t m pp t t t t t p t t t m t. w

    t p b m t mp p ; t m . T pp t

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    M m g m g t t t t- u t st t , p f t b b P p . T

    t p t t m g t t . T b t , g, b t t g t m g t t t . M

    t t t m . T p b t . T , d mb , t p . a , t m

    m g . h g b b t p , t t g , m t pp t m t t t t t .

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    t g t t p t g t t t .T t t t t t p p t t m t .d g t t p , i g g. i b g t -

    t- z t m t , t b t t g m t pm . o , g t , i p . i t b z

    p t t ; t t t t m . T t g t bg g t p, i t t t t m t mp t t

    m t m t t t q t f t m x t gt t t g .

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    p m g m m g t m t p t b tt m.i p t t p , t g b , t t t

    t t t t t. i f t m tm t m g b i b g t t p j t. F m

    t p , t b t t , i 300 p b , t m p t t m m t t p b P p .T t t t t p p b m t t t f m m m . F m t b g g, i

    t t t b f t t ; t t p b t .c g t . T t g t mp g t m

    f . w t t bt, t mp t t t tm t, b t t t t t g.

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    h t m t m t t , xt p t? y xp g t t t q t t

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    t , t x b t t t t . w t mp t t t m t b p m

    m t, m t t t f m?

    RF i t g t t m t b m ti t 1950 i b g t p t m t s u t

    i t t t u t P t r . i p t g G g c , P . T p t g b g g , t , t , t t . i t 1960 , m xp m

    t mb g t pt . i 1966 i p m tt P p g t m t t . i t

    pt i mm t t n y t t gm m . i t t J m w p tm t g t p

    t t . at t t m , i t i k p m l ci pp t m . T g i , i m t a

    i 1967 i g t t g j b t P p c g a t. a t b b M m m, m b m mp .

    g t t m mp t . T t i m t r b t

    t p g t l c t G . a m t - m . i g t , t t m t t i m t z t b t t p t . g p t m, b t t g g t t .

    r b t M g z t x b t9 at Leo Castelli g t 108t st t, c mb a . T b g

    b l c t G t g , t t t f t t t t p . it t t m t p t

    f , t g , M t m tP p , b t i t t f pp t t p

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    i t m t t t t m . w t 87 b g p t b g t n y .

    M t t The Three Lea Pieces : a m t p t m . i t b t , m t p t:

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    t j t m b g t t t p d G . i t b g t p b t t t t p

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    g pt .#3

    w t 108t st t p t f t t c t pt p t t m g .

    M T t t t p t p t Anti-Illusion: Procedures/ Materials m b t t t t . T t t q -t , m m t , , , g t

    t t xp t p p t b t g .

    T p m t p t, t , r M g tt . i t t t

    m . M -b t , J F , t . i t t t . P m t f . i

    p t . T t t i g t m g The ThreeLea Pieces t t t t m p .

    t , t . i m d h mm mt m t g t m g : h b

    MGT i t g t t t h mm b . t g g t t m t t bt . c mm t

    t Anti-Illusion , t p t g p t tw t ?

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    t m b m t m l t am . i t 1960 t m t t-g

    n y , j , t b t p t t t t t t t m , b t t Anti-Illusion p g i

    p - m . T p t t g , T G st . T t-g t

    t b . i t t t t t t t t-g t t , m t t t wasP b .

    r m m g t t t t-g n t am t t p . T , t t t t. i m

    Drawing i t p G a t t t b t t t t p j

    g t g . T b 80 p t g m t c , n y . i ph t 1930 40 , p t

    t t m t p b m t t .

    MGT i m mb t b r b t M t t p t p b t . it m t g , i t t t

    p t t t , p g . i m g mp t m .

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    RF o t , r b t M t t m t P t r . T t t M g z, J e q a , m t

    b n y t t t. d g f t t p, t t m tp p t m . w t t M p t m

    t g t t t p p t . F t p, p p t b t p t p t .i t x b t p t t t t t gm t mp m t . i t b gg p t g ,i g z t ( t t p ),b t , , g , g t b b ( t t ),

    bj t , bb t g t b x t t - g t t m t . M p t

    t t p t t mp . T t g g , m g t t t t t ,

    t m t t p t. a t g t v t mw , g f m t t t .

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    t t t . M t t m , b t i t t t mt g p . M g p p

    t p j t t t z . T t p g t m t t pp t t xp p j t. i

    p m t , t m t t t t b t g t t q m t .

    M t t , P p , M t m t t t t t n y c t . h m t t t t t t g t t P t r . it t t t t. y t m t

    t . i t t g g b i t g t m g b . e , t g t t , i t t m

    . i m t a g -s x t t gi fg t t t P t t t t t t T t p t g t t t . M

    t m tm t t t t t t m . h p pt t p tt t .

    a , i m t t t i t p m t t t. i g

    t t M m c t mp a t c g , t p t b l s m . s m G , m M

    t t t t t . w t ; t pt , m t gg

    i m, d b p g ? h p , wt ? T g t p g , i m, w t t

    ? h , P t m P t r t t.

    MGT B t t m t Anti-Illusion , M p b t xt a t -F m. w t tt t t t? w

    b t p f , t t t t b t t pt ?

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    t, . B t t i m t t t t m t pt t xp t t t t ptF x mp , p p g bb tt m t t t p t bb t b t gt p p t , t tt t b b t t . w g t p ,

    t t f , b , p b p , g t t t b t t t t . o g t p p , g g p t t . T ,

    t t p j t t , Tp t .

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    T t t t pp t g . T t m , m t , m t t p m t t . a mt b t mp t t t t t p b t xp t t : m, , t

    p f . i t f t m. i t. i m g t t t b m , t t

    t mp t t.

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    t t t t p p t t . h tt ?

    RF T . i t z t mp t t tThe Three Lea Pieces . it tVillage Voice b J P t.M T t t t t w t b t t t

    x b t e p When Attitudes Become FormOp Losse Schroeven. 2 P p l tNew York Times

    t g z m p t p t . T t t m t bc t r t t t g m x b tDESEO.

    i M T t t b g p , A Short Li e o Trouble:Forty Years in the New York Art World, m t t m tt w t . i t t xt t f t b m g

    t t m P t r . i t m t , i b t t t i xt b t t

    t tt t t mp b t t t 1,2,3,4,5 r F . h t m im t, t t m t g t g t p t, m -

    t p b m t m .T m . o t, p t, t p t . i t t , t mp -

    t . d g m t i p t t . o tt , m , m xp t g g t t t

    mb. G g t t t g t mp x t tt t g p . w i m t 1950 , m

    t m t b , t , m tt , c b , n t am , t .

    MGT y t l c t G 1970, g t?

    RF y , l c t m t t 108t st t h mm t t b t m t T mb

    t t m t t t t . a t tp t p t x b t e p , g t t

    t t t . T t st t . ag , i m p g t

    t t . r t , i m t t i j t t m g f t . F m , i F B

    a t g m , b t t mp t t.

    MGT w t t c t ?

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    g t g t . a m gt t m, t p t m . o t p t t

    x- t- g t t b g t gt t mg t g t. a t t g t t t b

    b t t . T t p p t g at t t t p mp t m ttt t b g t p g m m m t .

    t p t m m t t T t p g t t m g z t . i t m g,

    m t b t 16 t 20 g, g Art orum. o t x 300-p tt g t

    xp t p . c m m r m P t rp g g z t b t . a b

    P t r t p g, t t g t .This interview was conducted between October 2008 and February 2009. It wastranslated rom the Spanish by Maria Elena Ortiz.

    n t

    1. i t t st p k p , 1971.2. Op Losse Schroeven: Situaties en Cryptostructuren t t st j M m, am t m,

    Live In Your Head: When Attitudes Become Form t k t B , s tz .B t x b t t p 1969.

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    Willoughby Sharp M t t g b g p t t t t b k , b t t b k , t

    Joseph Beuys i b p t k , b t t t pt . M m t m g t t t k

    b t m t. B t t m t i p t t t . i t p t k , m p t t p ,

    t p t k . T t m p t i g p.

    WS h g k ? JB u t 1961, i t t b p t t da t a m .

    WS T tt k ?

    JB y , m g.

    WS i t t m k ?

    an inTerview wiTh JosePh Beuys w g b s p

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    JB n , i t t d . B t i t t g k ti b m . at t 1947 i t t t d a t a -

    m t t t 1951. T , t g t d , i t t k .

    WS y t ?

    JB y , i t m t b i t .

    WS w t t t t d a t a m ?

    JB e g M t . e g m . M t b tt .M t gm t , b t t t t b -

    . h t g t t t pt b m t t . T t b t t g t g m t . i

    t j t b t t t m t tt m. T t t t t, m

    t t t t t g.

    WS T t p m t b q t z . i 1951 m d t bb q t . w t t t ?

    JB T t .

    WS w t b t l mb ?

    JB o , l mb . h fg g t i t t b t m . i m l mb

    k j t b t t g m m f t g pt . B t t t pt i t t t m .i g p m g g t h t p m t.

    WS w t b t m r pt ?

    JB y i p t g p t t g . B t i t t .i g t t k .

    WS y m t t .

    JB y , i t p t t , m 1941 t 1946. i r .

    WS w t t ?

    JB c t t t! [l g ] w t i ? i fg t p tt t b t t . T p p g

    .

    WS w st g ?

    JB n , i m t t t , t u , t c , tB s .

    WS a t ?

    JB d g t t t i t t w tT m p , m . w p i b m B t p .

    WS d t t b m t t?

    JB y . B t i t t b g m t m tt mp t t m . y t m tb t x m t t b g t

    WS T m m b t t t 1950 .

    JB w i t p m t h t, b b d t t p t a m r l . a i t 1961, i t b t k .

    WS w b m M d mp ?

    JB i 1955, i t .

    WS i t p d mp t Untitled, 1954. d t ?

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    JB n , i t t d mp t t . it b. T p m b ,

    t .

    WS s t t t . w t t t t p mb ?

    JB it t g t t p t .

    WS n b ?

    JB B t m , i t m . T x m t p t g t p. T t f. J t t i f m f t fg , i m t m m t

    b b t t b m m . it t t t i g-z t b mp t t m t, p p t m t mp t t

    m t. T m pt t t t t g b t b .

    WS o t b t The Needles o a Christmas Tree 1962.

    JB T t t . it c tm t t t t t. e t t t t t t.

    WS y m t t d p tz t M 1961, t t f t c tm . d t t pt ?

    JB y , i t b t . B t t t b t , t g .

    y m c tm t t b t t t g . n . i t t t, , g t m ,t t m t t.

    WS o . . .

    JB T g i t p t p t m .

    WS d t m t p t ?

    JB it t g t p t t .

    WS a t ?

    JB i m t .

    WS y z . [l g t ]

    JB a t i m m g t m . M g t t n x . [g t ]

    WS B t t t .

    JB i t t .

    WS T t m .

    JB i t m .

    WS w t t m ? T tt t t t p t ?

    JB T t t m, t p t m t g m. [l g t ] Tt g , t m g t t t m t gThe Art Pill (1963) v a t:

    T t st g p g t t t t m t t, , t

    y , m p m g m t g t b h t p t f t p g

    m p , p t p . o t

    g t m t t t t The Art Pill. n t , m tb p t t m t t , m t t b bt g t m , t t m g ,

    t .

    WS i m , t , t t t t m , t b The Chie 196364, p m

    p t g t t t t m.

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    JB y , i p t t t t p t m .

    WS w t b m g t t mp f tm t t t.

    JB T m p b t t g t g .

    WS i m mb t t m t r b t M b Schmella 1964.

    JB M t m . i m m . i t t TheChie t m. w g t t m t . w tt t t t t m t , m B ,

    n y .

    WS d t?

    JB y , i t B . B t t t.

    WS w t?

    JB i t , b t t t. h t d t .i t t g m. i t t t m ,g m t t t t g t p t m t

    .

    WS T m t b m m t b t b tThe Chie m M t t , b t i t m g t

    t t t t. [B tt t t m p t Fettecke, t p , Aktione ] T m t b t t t . y mFetteckes p t The

    Chie , t ?

    JB y . [P t t t p t The Chie ] h . it t m tt , i m t m tt . B t pt m t . T t

    mp t t pt m . i i p m t g, i t m t m g tm . T g t m t m t m m t-

    t , b t m tI, m . h t b b t p m t p . T t t t m b t t t pt .

    T g m m t t . i t m t p t pm t t

    m b g. B t t i m t t m t m t tm b t t p t t t g t t p

    i t t t t t m t t t m

    WS y Iron Co er Containing 100 Kg o Fat and 100 Dismantled Air Pumps (1968) p t tFettecke .

    JB it t f t g t t , t t p t pt . T t m -

    t t . it p pt t t t p mp . T t mb m , t p t p p

    p mp p t m, g t p p . a t pb . a tt t t b x t g t t

    t, 100 p mp . [B p t b pt t t p t gSet III mp q m t m b t g p t pp t m z . T

    p t t m t t t f . T f t p . i m t t t p p t f g. i t t t b

    g t , t m t t . it t m p p : . T t m t t m tt ,

    t t z t . T p t t b m t p g m. T p t tt b t t, q t p g m. a t f t t . a t t m t , t t,

    m g t t t t t m t p t g t , m p m t , t

    t t . T m t t t, t t t t m . B

    t m t f t t i t g z f t bt t t m t t t.

    WS T m m m t , pSet III Felt Corner (1963).

    JB y , t minimal xp t , b t t t M m t. it t. it p . it m m tm t g . B t t t t

    t M m m.

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    WS h t g t t d a t a m t t g t b mp t t t ?

    JB it m m t mp t t t . T b t m g t t t. T t t t p t, m t t . i t t x-

    p m t p t m t g t g b . B t t t t t t m t. obj t t mp -

    t t m m . i t t g t t t g m tt , t t t g tb t. T g t, p , mm t t t t

    t xp t m b g.

    WS w t t t g t m m t m -t m t t m ?

    JB y , i m t t m t t b t p m bt g. M t t p p t t m m t -

    g. B t t t t p p t t m t b t tp , b t b xp t t . i experience b t t q t tthinking ; t g t m mp x. it b g m b . T t ,y , im t t , t t g t m

    t. i t i i m t m t. i t p p , t mp t t. i t m , t g b m p t t t t

    p p pp t t b t b , t b, t t . T q t t t g b

    t t p tt m t t . B m t p p t m t t t m t t t m . T

    i t t p t m t g m t m bj t .

    B g t t p p m b g t t t t m t t b g.

    WS w t pt t t t ?

    JB s pt m t b t t q t t b p m tp g t . T t t t, t t g t pp . B t t mp b t pp t. n , p t -

    b m g t t. a t t pt , , t g p t g t t t g t t .

    s p p b g g t z t t t t pb b .

    WS T t t t p t ?

    JB P t , t t t x t . T p m t B m g pt m t p i m

    g t t g t t m t t g , t t t t x t t , i t t

    l r mb t. i m t m t , t t t m m . e m m t t t m m

    m t m. e m p t t p t .

    WS h t mp ?

    JB a t m p b t i m t t. i t t t t t, m b

    p g t m . T t m t t tt t p t m t t b m j

    g p m m g b m i m t t m p

    m t p . T p t m t t t . M t

    t , t t b g. i m t t m . at t m m t t t g t p f t t m

    p t m t t m t , i t t m t m , m m , m

    g , m p m t t . e t t

    p t t b t. it t.WS w t t t ?

    JB J c g . T pt t t m.

    WS w t b t t it pt M M z, am pt r s ?

    JB y , i t t m, b t t mp .

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    t t , b i g t t t t g b. P p t i J c g n m J P m

    b t t t p t g . T g t .B t t t g t . F m t t p t m t t t B [ t tWhen Attitudes Become Form x b t ]

    t . i b g t t g g t m , im q t g t .

    WS w t t t M h z , dopp m, r b t sm t , k t s ?

    JB i t t t t , b t i p t B n mt B .

    WS n m m b t .

    JB y , b t i f t t f b i t t -t . i p g t mp t t t . i t t g

    b t n m t g t p , b t i t t t m t t t .

    WS T t t m t t t t t t t t ?

    JB i g t x b t , i t j . i ipp t , i t t, b t m t t t g t t t i

    t t g . i m m t t t pm t t g t .i m t t t t t p p m t m .

    WS d t m b t r b t M ? JB y , b t i b t p M t t g t t.B t i t m . l t M t m t p t p t

    x b t g g. i t t.

    WS T c t x b t n y ?

    JB y .

    WS w t p t p t ?

    JB i t t t .

    WS d t ?

    JB n , i t t g t t t m t t i g k st j t b g t m [ b t 300 p ], b t i m m t g t. i j t t t. lp p t m t g t g i t p t p t , bb t t t t g .

    WS T t t t . it t b t t .

    JB a g t. T t m t t t i t t g, bt t g.

    WS i g t t t x b t .

    JB y , i xt m t t, b m x m t g t t . it m t g i

    t b t . i x b t t t.

    WS T t xp t t t m 10- t t a s m .

    JB y , i p g t x b t t m s mm t t t b t t .

    WS i t t g t m t m g tt t t m m t t t 19

    JB B t . P p b m g m m g. T g tti g st t t g . T g t bp , i t t t m t g . i

    b t.

    WS y b g 20 , t t t b g t pp t t mp .

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    JB T t pm t. F 10 15 p p mm B z .

    WS y , i m mb i f t t d 1957, x pt t t t . T g g . w t

    t b t p t t t t t t xt t?

    JB i t t x t m tt t t m p m t tt g t t t g t t t f pm t t b t

    t f pt . y , t b g t i t t b t t.B t i t t t t t t t t t tP t t m , i t t m t g b t

    t. i t t b t . s pt i t t b tpt t. i t t i b t t t .

    a t t p b m p pt .

    WS P pt ?

    JB [l g t t ] i t mp t t m , i m t g t f m tpt t t t t M x t t . T s t

    m m t e p t t t g pp t b t gt t p t q t . T f m x

    b g. i t p b t pm t, t t p t t t G m b t am . M

    t m p t , b t t g, tp t g pt . F m t m t t t g t

    pt . T t g t pt . o , g g pt . im m x, i m m m t , t m t m

    pt . M t t g t m t b t pt . w, w t pt ? p , s pt . T t t t pt mp x t b g t . w t t t m t

    t t t pt pp f t m .

    WS i t t t b t t?

    JB M t p t t t t m b g t t.i t t m , t g. o ,t g b t t p tt g t. B t t pt t g,

    g, t g t pt . T g t b m. F g b m t t m. w b t . t g p p mFettecke. F t q m t b t

    t t t t m pt t t p t t m t , t t b

    WS i t f t t t x t ?

    JB hmm. T q t t mp t t t m pt q t t t g t. T m i t pm i t t t t t g t t i t mt t t t t t m mp t . i tp t . i m t t m g t m t p p g t m. it g tt g mt m t g . B t t t t t g t t t

    t t bj t. T p t t b t t t b t p t g . B t t t

    t b m , t g b t m . h t t t tt , t t t bj t. i m t t t

    t t t t . i , t; m t g. i t t m . it t m , m

    b , m g pt , i t . a t g i pt t t d a t a m , i pt

    t t .

    WS h t t t j g t bt t?

    JB i m t t t t b g p : g r mb t, g r b G . a t i m p p t , B t t t

    t t t . i p t g t t .

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    w m B gUntitled, 196840- t d m b

    r FStaircase3 LandingsLeaves,196836 b t t t c t w ,t t d G , l c t Gd m b

    e h Aught, 1968d b t t x t tp t4 t , 78 x 40 .

    e h Augment, 1968l t x

    19 t , 78 x 4 .st p k t bFelt Floor Piece, 1968F td m b

    B n m John Coltrane Piece, 1968a m m t m b tt md m b

    B n mUntitled, 1968st b m t p d m b

    a s tUntitled, 1968P t bd m b

    a s tUntitled, 1968P t d m b

    r sUntitled (Prop), 1968l t p pd m b

    r sSplashing, 1968M t

    d m br sUntitled, 1968M t d m b

    k t sRat-Tail Exercise, 1968F b t gd m b

    k t sMuste, 1968l t x, , t gd m b

    k t sWall Piece with Fluorescent Light,1968F b d m b

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