rezo CxeiZe: mec maqvs Cemi qarTuli ocneba...4 saerTo gazeTi #53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w. aliansis, rvianisa da eqvsianis Semdeg sa-qarTveloSi axali po-litikuri koalicia iqmneba

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#53 (182) 17-220.XII, 2011 weli gamodis oTxSabaTs daSabaTs E-mail: [email protected]; www.saertogazeti.net fasi 1 lari

`qarTuli ocneba~ - saerTo ocneba mTeli saqarTvelosTvis!

SabaTs

mkvlelisaakaSviliaxla mTel

saqarTvelosupirebsmokvlas...

daviT facacia:

nodar javaxiSvili:

rezo CxeiZe:

zviad ZiZiguri:

mec maqvsCemi

qarTuliocneba...

`dRes gaCnda Sansi,

yvelaferi, rac ocnebis WrilSi warmogvedgina,

realobad iqces~

ratom aRmoCndnen

mxolod `qarTu bankis~

klientebi `biujetis qurdebi~?

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batono biZina!

es `Ria werili~ dagvawerina im did-

ma erovnulma gancdam, rac dagveufla sa-

qarTveloSi 2011 wlis 7 oqtombers

Tqveni sajaro gancxadebis Semdeg, raTa

Tqveni didi niWi da SesaZleblobani mo-

axmaroT saqarTvelos gamoyvanas im SemaZ-

rwunebeli mdgomareobidan, raSic Cveni

samSoblo-saqarTvelo moeqca ukanaskneli

ori aTeuli wlis manZilze.

Sors rom ar wavideT, mogaxsenebT,

ras warmoadgenda Cveni raioni gare-kaxe-

Ti, garejis Tvaluwvdeneli sivrceebi. sa-

dac ganlagebuli iyo iseTi mZlavri sa-

soflo-sameurneo kompleqsebi da sxva sa-

soflo-sameurneo sawarmoebi, 35-mde obi-

eqti, sadac muSaobda da qveynisaTvis

xvavsa da baraqas qmnida 35 aTasamde sa-

soflo-sameurneo muSa da specialisti,

dRes yvelaferi mospo da gaanadgura e.w.

privatizaciam (`prixvatizaciam~) da axla

mxolod ramdenime obieqtiRa boginobs,

xolo is sasoflo-sameurneo muSa-mosam-

saxureTa 80 procenti umuSevaria da sa-

arsebo wyaros saZebnelad zogi mSeneblo-

bebze wavida, zogic sazRvargareT gadaix-

vewa.

navaraudevi iyo, rom kolmeurneobebi-

sa da meurneoba-kompleqsebis demontaJis

Semdeg saxelmwifos xelSewyobiT unda

ganviTarebuliyo fermeruli meurneobebi,

magram fermeruli meurneobebic ver gan-

viTarda, saxelmwifos, xelisuflebis

uyuradRebobis mxriv da nayofieri miwebi

mouxnavi da daumuSavebeli darCa, miwa

dayamirda, miwis patroni ki saarsebo wya-

ros uqoneli darCa.

axla glexi, rogorc socialuri fe-

na Tu klasi aRar arsebobs, igi warmoe-

bis saSualebebs moklebulia da viris

`taWkac~ ki sanatreli gauxda.

sabWour periodSi sagarejos raionSi

mecxoveleoba hyvaoda, mevenaxeobisa da me-

mindvreobis dargebs Soris prioritetul

dargs warmoadgenda mecxoveleoba, gansa-

kuTrebiT, mecxvareoba, raionSi funqcio-

nirebda ori mZlavri mecxvareobis-patar-

Zeulisa da udabnos sabWoTa meurneobebi,

romlebic 1993 wlidan gauqmda da sa-

xelmwifos moaklda, rogorc mecxovele-

obis produqtebi, ise umuSevrebi darCnen

mTel respublikaSi cnobili mecxvare

specialistebi.

me-17 saukunis cnobili mefe-poeti

arCil II godebiT moTqvamda: `Tu amowy-

des glexi kaci, saqarTvelo daZabundes~,

axda dRevandel sinamdvileSi mefe-poe-

tis, kaxeTis mefis winaswarmetyveleba.

axla glexi, rogorc socialuri fenis

warmomadgeneli aRar arsebobs, igi gada-

iqca saqarTveloSi gare-movaWred, mSene-

bel muSad, anda sruliad umuSevrad da

socialurad daucvel pirad.

samwuxaro magram faqtia, rom is di-

di kulturul-sameurneo tradiciebi,

rac gare-kaxeTs _ sagarejos raions ga-

aCnda wina periodSi, axla TiTqmis dai-

karga da misi aCrdiliRa darCa.

dRes gare-kaxeTi, sagarejos raioni

ekonomiurad da kulturulad imdenad

aris dakninebuli, rom veraviTar kriti-

kas ver uZlebs. sruliad ar aris gamoye-

nebuli is didi sasoflo-sameurneo da

samrewvelo potenciali, rac safuZvlia-

nad Seucvlida saxes raionis infrast-

ruqturas. amitom moviTxovT male dafuZ-

ndes sazogadoebrivi organizacia `qarTu-

li ocnebis~ sagarejos raionuli fili-

ali, romlis muSaobaSi Caebmeba raionis

aqtiuri mosaxleoba. sruliad unda iqnes

gamoyenebuli mosaxleobis fizikuri da

inteleqtualuri SesaZleblobani.

batono biZina! gTxovT droze daa-

fuZnoT sagarejos raionSi saqarTvelos

sazogadoebrivi organizaciis `qarTuli

ocnebis~ sagarejos raionuli ganyofi-

leba, raTa aqtiurad CavebaT sagarejos

raionis, saqarTvelos didi istoriisa

da Tanamedrove SesaZleblobebis didi

potencialis mxaris aRorZinebis saqmeSi.

pativiscemiT sazogadoebrivi

organizaciis sagarejos `qarTuli

ocnebis~ damfuZnebelTa jgufis

saxeliT _ ivane elerdaSvili.qalaqi sagarejo,

qeTevan wamebulis q.#9

biZina ivaniSvilis pressamdivnos gancxadebabiZina ivaniSvili, „Tavisufali demokratebis“

lideri irakli alasania da “respublikuri parti-

is” Tavmjdomare daviT usufaSvili SeTanxmdnen,

rom sami politikuri subieqtisgan Semdgari koa-

licia Seiqmneba mas Semdeg, rac biZina ivaniSvi-

lis politikuri partiis formirebis procesi das-

ruldeba. saparlamento arCevnebisTvis koaliciis

subieqtebi, savaraudod, sxva politikur jgufeb-

Tan erTad, Seqmnian saarCevno bloks. Sesabamisad,

SeTanxmeba iTvaliswinebs erToblivi politikuri

saqmianobis Sesaxeb konsultaciebis gagrZelebas

sxva politikur da sazogado moRvaweebTan.

amasTan, ukve Sedga SeTanxmeba konservatiuli partiis Tavmjdomare zviad

ZiZigurTan da xalxis partiis Tavmjdomare koba daviTaSvilTan, romlebic ma-

Ti politikuri gundis wevrebTan erTad, pirovnulad miiReben monawileobas ko-

aliciisa da saarCevno blokis struqturebis saqmianobasa da marTvaSi.

saqarTvelos sazogadoebrivi moZraoba `qarTuli ocnebis~

Tavmjdomares baton biZina ivaniSvils!

sazogadoebrivi moZraoba `qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardamWeri sainiciativo jgufis

saxeliT sagarejos raionidan _ ivane elerdaSvilis

R i a w e r i l i

cincxali ambavi! wyaros dasa-

xelebas nu momTxovT, radgan

me Tu amas gavakeTeb, axal-axal

ambebs veRar mogitanT xolme!

biZina ivaniSvils erT-erTma misma mego-

barma, romelTanac ramdenime wlis win

garkveuli biznes-interesebi akavSireb-

da, hkiTxa: ratom daiyene gverdiT iseTi

araerovnuli Zala, rogoric ,,respubli-

kelebiao”. biZinas upasuxia: ,,mirCevnia

CemTan iyvnen, vidre Soridan mlanZRon

da Ziri miTxaron. Cven SevqmniT mmarTve-

lobis iseT models, sadac yvela valde-

buli da iZulebuli iqneba erovnuli

saqme akeTos da xalxisTvis iRvawoso.“

qarTuli sazogadoebis Camosayali-

beblad da qveynis asaRorZineblad saWi-

roa yvela mamuliSvili, mecnieri, ganaT-

lebuli adamiani erTad SevikriboT. uf-

ro metad kompetenturi da mcodne, Rir-

seuli da wesieri adamianebma unda Seqm-

nan aRzrdis sistema, programa da es me-

Todi unda davamkvidroT Cvens cxovreba-

Si. amis aucileblobaze da mniSvneloba-

ze unda gavacnoT sazogadoebas. es saqme

nel–nela unda daviwyoT, marTlia es

saqme ucbaT ar keTdeba, magram saSviliS-

vilo saqme sxvanairad ar gamova. moTmi-

nebiTa CveniTa movipovoT samSoblo Cve-

ni.

axlebma ukve didi xania gamou-

tanes sakuTar Tavs ganaCeni!

maT TiTqmis yovelTvis Rala-

tobT politikuri alRo, ris

gamoc maTTvis yvelaze saWiro da gadam-

wyvet momentSi araswor arCevans akeTe-

ben xolme. gagaxsenebT: isini e.w. varde-

bis revoluciis dRes dadgnen warmavali

SevardnaZis gverdiT da parlamentSi

qvorumi Seavsebines! axlac isini saakaS-

vilis xelisuflebis satelitad mogvev-

linen, maSin, roca nac. moZraoba qveynis

damaqcevar politikas awarmoebs.

ai, ra cudia, rom saqarTvelo-

Si ara gvaqvs m a x a T i s

warmoeba, arc misi importire-

ba xdeba, Torem am saqmedale-

ul Jurnalistebs (qalebian-vaJebianad)

xom gamouCndebodaT gasarTobi da TavSe-

saqcevi. ar miTxraT axla, vaJebi ho, mag-

ram qalebi da ”maxaTis andaza” erTma-

neTTan rogor movleno. Tqven maxaTis

partia mogvawodeT telekompaniaSi da

magaze nu idardebT, qalebi rasac izamen,

imasac naxavT.

sainteresoa, specialurad xom

ar Wimaven batoni biZinas sa-

kiTxs, belorusiaSi xe rom

moWras tyeSi xelisuflebam,

egreve evrokavSiri da msofios yvela

arxi gamoexmaureba da moyveba sanqciebis

dadeba, rom lukaSenko anadgurebs bune-

bas, is demokratias Jangbads uketavs da

sxva mravali saxiT. ra xdeba Cvens Tavs,

iqneb marTla fuls uxdian evropelebs,

rom saqarTvelos Temaze damunjdnen...

gaeTianeba unda moxdes mxol-

od saakaSvilis gadasagdebad,

xolo Semdeg unda dainiSnos

arCevnebi, sadac TiToeuli su-

bieqti miiRebs monawileobas da gaimar-

jvos xalxisaTvis yvelaze misaRebma

partiam - programam. gaerTianeba arCevne-

bisaTvis aris Secdoma, xolo gaerTiane-

ba demokratiuli arCevnebis uzrunvel-

sayofad realuri gza gamarjvebisaken.

jer unda Seiqmnas arCevnebis Casatarebe-

li pirobebi da mere Catardes Tavad ar-

Cevnebi. saakaSvils jibeSi udevs

900.000 yalbi piradobis mowmoba + is

30% ,romelsac yovelTvis agrovebs, ga-

modis rom opoziciuri Zalebi ver moi-

poveben saparlamento umravlesobas. ima-

sac Tu gaviTvaliswinebT ,rom opozici-

ur gaerTianebebSi aucileblad iqneba

Segzavnili xalxi, romlebic Semdeg ga-

dainacvleben “nacebSi” davrCebiT wage-

bulebi (me WeSmarit opozicias vgulis-

xmob). rogor apirebs biZina ivaniSvili

saakaSvilis impiCmentis procesis dawye-

bas umravlesobis gareSe? Tu ar apirebs,

maSin me ver davuWer mas mxars, vinaidan

saakaSvili da misi mTavroba aris damna-

Save, isini arian kanongareSe da maTi xe-

lisuflebaSi datoveba agreTve danaSau-

lia! aravin varT iseTi briyvebi, rom yo-

velgvari winaswari garantiebis gareSe,

brmad, mxari davuWiroT vinmes. is dro

wavida da sazogadoeba mets iTxovs ne-

bismieri politikosisagan. Zalian vTxov

yvela liders, vinc qveyanis keTildRe-

obaze fiqrobs, amaze dafiqrdes!

ra aqvT saerToa aqvs vera qo-

balias da ekonomikas? SiSkins

da ganaTlebas? waklaurs da

erovnul ideologias? gabians

da adamianobas? gabaSvilebs da zneobas?

RoRoriSvils da samarTlian arCevnebs?

vaniCkas da wesrigs? varZelaSvils da

sports? axalaias da Tavdacvisunariano-

bas? xaCiZes da ekologias? gorozias da

soflis meurneobas? donaZes da televi-

zias? TargamaZe TorTlaZe CaxvaZes da

opozicias? ruruas da kulturas? igu-

lavas da qalaqs? kalmaxeliZes da huma-

nurobas? kublaSvilebs da kanonebs?

xerxeuliZes da mandilosnobas? adeiS-

vils da samarTals? kanistrates da ek-

lesias? TavTxeliZes da evropul Rire-

bulebebs? nodias da eqpertizobas?

Slopancs da kvercxs? daviT aRmaSene-

bels da miSuil daRmamSenebels? da bo-

los! sad erekle da sad.......)

seriozuli problemad meqca

batoni biZinas gamoCena)))) jer

erTi 45 wlamde ise movedi

marTla aravisti ar vyofilvar

) es kaci ki vatyob, Tvalsa da xels

Sua nel nela mabiZinistebs)))) magram

yvelaze Zaan rac maSfoTebs isaa rom 88

wlidan vmitingob. vSimSilob. vCxubob.

neknebs mimtvreven (an piriqiT )mapatim-

reben. majarimeben mokled var mxiaru-

lad romantiul–profesionali momitin-

ge da vxarob CemTvis) me Sen getyvi sa-

mitingos da gasaprotestebels ra da-

levs am ayvavebul turfa mxareSi. xoda

vatyob raRac am kacs rom ise apirebs am

qveynis mowyobas, rom dagverxeva profe-

sional momitingeebs, dagvtovebs umuSev-

rad, axla ar miTxras vinmem, mere wak-

laur - TuTberiZis uflebebze imitin-

geo an miSuilas palatis keTilmowyoba-

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3#53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w. saerTo gazeTi

_ ara sicocxle, ara sikvdi-

li, aramed raRac sxva _ Tqva

poetma.

_ ara sicocxle, arasikvdili, aramed qris-tian-demokratebi! _`Cagvinamioka~ giorgiTargamaZem da mkerdzedairtya fuTiani muS-ti.

giorgi TargamaZec poetia,

oRond mxolod politikuri

lirikis dargSi muSaobs viwro

specialobiT da ZiriTadad, sa-

kuTar Tavs da sakuTar emoci-

ebs ukirkitebs.

hoda, am `poetma~ TargamaZem

amaswinaT saocari poeturi aR-

moCena gaakeTa.

_ dRes qarTul politikaSi

ori ZiriTadi polusi gamoikve-

Ta _ erTi saxelisuflo, meore

biZina ivaniSvilis, magram aris

mesame polusi da es mesame Cven,

qristian-demokratebi varT. Tu

vinmes ar gjeraT, rom es asea,

naxeT sociologiuri gamokvle-

vebi da darwmundebiT, rom swo-

red Cven varT mesame politiku-

ri Zala, romelic arc xeli-

suflebasTan aris, arc ivaniS-

vilTan da Tavisi gamokveTili

politikuri niSa ukaviao.

bodiSs vixdiT, Tu Targama-

Zis mier gamoTqmuli brZnuli

mosazrebis zust

citirebas ver vax-

denT, magram Sina-

arsi namdvilad sw-

orad aris motani-

li.

mokled asea saq-

me, Tu arc saakaS-

vili mogwonT da

arc ivaniSvilis

koalicia, miaSureT

TargamaZis partias

da iq hpovebT xsnas

da Svebas.

sxvaTaSoris, er-

Ti politmkiTxavis

`winaswarmetyvele-

ba~ gamaxsenda, rom-

lis mixedviTac sa-

qarTvelos axali prezidenti

unda eyolos.

politmkiTxavis azriT, es

axali prezidenti arc saakaSvi-

lia, arc ivaniSvili, Tqven war-

moidgineT, arc ugulava, arc

baqraZe.

giorgi hqvia mas, giorgio, _

migvaniSnebda politmkiTxavi da

Cveni kolmeurneobis Tavmjdoma-

ris ar iyos, saxeli giorgis

dasaxelebis Semdeg saqarTve-

los momavali prezidentis vina-

obis mixvedras raRa unda?

asea saqme, batonebo,sanam es ori Zala, saxe-lisuflo da biZina iva-niSvilis koalicia er-TmaneTs ebrZvis da me-Todurad asustebs, Zl-ierdeba da Zlierdebamesame Zala (qristian-demokratebi), romelT-ac marjvnidan da mar-cxnidan èmatebian~, daèmatebian~ mSromelTada aramSromelTa mase-bi.

gasakviri is aris, rom Cvens

mier xumrobiT naTqvami da

brWyalebSi Casmuli èmatebian~,

mTlad realobas ar aris mok-

lebuli.

saqme is aris, rom

qaRaldze, sociol-ogiur gamokvlevebSi,marTlac matulobs,`qristian-demokrate-bis~ reitingi,

magram sakiTxavi is aris ram-

denad sandoa qaRaldze mimate-

buli reitingi, roca sazogado-

ebis ganwyoba am xelovnuri ga-

nayofierebis gziT Seqmnili

partiisadmi, rogorc amboben

uaryofiTia?

saerTod, sanamdis vusminoT,

am politikuri wvrilfexobebis

uazro baqibuqs xom ar sjobs,

erTi qastingi CavataroT rome-

lime patara stadionze da bo-

los da bolos zustad davTva-

loT ramdenni arian, Torem

airaebis, kaWkaWiSvilebis, Tu-

TiyuSiSvilebis da ZmaTa maTTa

gadamkide, xom xedavT, ra dRe-

Sic varT?

P.S. kkiiddeevv eerrTTii ppaarrttiiaa __ `̀aaxx-aallii mmeemmaarrjjvveenneeeebbii~~ aaccxxaaddeebbeenn

pprreetteennzziiaass mmoommaavvaall ssaappaarrllmmeenn-

ttoo aarrCCeevvnneebbSSii ggaammaarrjjvveebbaazzee..

__ aamm aarrCCeevvnneebbSSii CCeemmii ppaarrttiiaa

ppaarrllaammeennttSSii TTuu aarr SSeevviiyyvvaannee,,

ggaaddaavvddggeebbiioo,, __ ddaaiiqqaaddnnaa ppaarrttiiiiss

TTaavvmmjjddoommaarreemm ddaavviiTT ggaammyyrreellii-

ZZeemm..

ggaammyyrreelliiZZee,, eettyyoobbaa,, ssaaaakkaaSSvvii-

lliiss xxeelliiTT aappiirreebbss TTaavviissii bbeedd-

kkrruullii ppaarrttiiiiss ppaarrllaammeennttSSii SSee-

yyvvaannaass,, TToorreemm TTvviiTToonn rriissii SSeemm-

yyvvaanniiaa,, kkii vviicciiTT......

aamm yyaarrttaayyuurrttaa ppaarrttiieebbiiss nnaa-

wwiillss ssaaaakkaaSSvviillii CCaaiillaaggeebbss CCee-

mmooddaannSSii,, nnaawwiillss ssxxvveebbii CCaaiiyyrriiaann

aabbggaaSSii,, mmeerree aamm ttvviirrTTiiTT ppaa-

rrllaammeennttSSii SSeevvlleenn ddaa aassee mmiivvii-

RReebbTT mmrraavvaallppaarrttiiuull,, ddeemmookkrraa-

ttiiuull ppaarrllaammeennttss......

ara sicocxle, ara

sikvdili, aramed

qristian-demokratebi!

4 saerTo gazeTi #53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w.

aalliiaannssiiss,, rrvviiaanniissaa

ddaa eeqqvvssiiaanniiss SSeemmddeegg ssaa-

qqaarrTTvveellooSSii aaxxaallii ppoo-

lliittiikkuurrii kkooaalliicciiaa

iiqqmmnneebbaa.. bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaanniiSSvvii-

lliiss pprreess-ssaammddiivvnnooss iinn-

ffoorrmmaacciiiiTT,, kkooaalliicciiaa

iivvaanniiSSvviilliiss ppaarrttiiiiss

ffoorrmmiirreebbiiss ddaassrruullee-

bbiiss SSeemmddeegg CCaammooyyaalliibb-

ddeebbaa.. aaxxaall ppoolliittiikkuurr

ssttrruuqqttuurraaSSii `̀kkoonnsseerr-

vvaattiiuull~~ ddaa `̀xxaallxxiiss

ppaarrttiiiissTTvviiss~~ aaddggiillii

uukkvvee CCaanniiSSnnuulliiaa.. kkoonn-

ssuullttaacciieebbii ssxxvvaa ppaarr-

ttiieebbTTaannaacc mmiimmddiinnaarree-

oobbss..

kkooaalliicciiiiss ggeeggmmeebbssaa

ddaa mmiizznneebbzzee `̀ssaaeerrTToo

ggaazzeeTTss~~ `̀kkoonnsseerrvvaattiiuu-

llii ppaarrttiiiiss~~ TTaavvmmjjddoo-

mmaarree zviad ZiZiguri eessaauubb-rraa::

_ es aris koalicia, ro-

melmac arsebuli xelisufleba

unda Secvalos. vfiqrob, rea-

luri gegmaa. vapirebT `konser-

vatorebi~ da `xalxis partia~

Cveni resursebiTa da struq-

turebiT aqtiurad CavebaT ko-

aliciis muSaobaSi, amitom ga-

sakeTebeli Zalian bevria. koa-

licia iZleva SesaZleblobas

ramdenime TviT adre daviwyoT

saarCevno struqturebis, saar-

Cevno erTeulebis, Camoyalibe-

ba. procesSi ki saqarTvelos

masStabiT aTasobiT adamiani

unda CaerTos. maT Soris is

raionebi sadac politikur

opozicias ar gvqonda SesaZ-

lebloba, gavcnobodiT adgi-

lobrivebis problemebs. axla

ukve amis saSualeba mogvecema.

__ rraa rreessuurrssiiTT,, rraa ssaaSSuuaa-

lleebbeebbiiTT aappiirreebbTT xxeelliissuuffllee-

bbiiss SSeeccvvllaass??

_ gvsurs vicxovroT uke-

Tes da demokratiul saxelm-

wifoSi, amitom miznis misaR-

wevad absoluturad yvela re-

surss gamoviyenebT. pirvel

rigSi, im did siyvarulsa da

reitings, riTac biZina ivaniS-

vili sargeblobs. aseve Cveni

mxridan aucilebelia sazoga-

doebas mivawodoT maqsimalu-

rad swori da marTlzomieri

gegmebi. gamoviyenebT aseve fi-

nansur resurssac, romelsac

mniSvnelovani da gadamwyveti

roli aqvs im tipis saarCevno

brZolaSi, rac win gvelodeba.

__ aarraaeerrTTxxeell ggvviinnaaxxaavvss ppoo-

lliittiikkuurrii ggaaeerrTTiiaanneebbeebbii `̀aallii-

aannssii~~,, `̀rrvviiaannii~~,, SSeemmddggoomm `̀eeqqvvssii-

aannii~~.. rraa iiqqnneebbaa ggaarraannttoorrii,, rroomm

uuaaxxllooeess mmoommaavvaallSSii kkooaalliicciiaa

iiggiivvee bbeeddss aarr ggaaiizziiaarreebbss??

_ garantoria biZina iva-

niSvilis faqtori, misi gav-

lena, ndoba. es im tipis li-

deria, romelic gaerTianebas-

Tan asocirdeba da ara dana-

wevrebasTan. Cven roca damou-

kideblad vmuSaobdiT, ar

gvqonda saTanado finansuri

resursebi, bevr sxva proble-

masTan erTad winaaRmdegoba

gvqonda informaciis gavrce-

lebasTan dakavSirebiT, amitom

dasaxuli ver ganvaxorcie-

leT. dRes biZina ivaniSvilis

saxiT iseTi gamaerTianebeli

faqtori gamoCnda, gaCnda San-

si arCevnebze mixeil saakaSvi-

lis damarcxebis.

__ bbiizznneessmmeennss aamm eettaappzzee mmoo-

qqaallaaqqeeoobbaa kkvvllaavv aarr ggaaaaCCnniiaa.. xxee-

lliissuufflleebbaa TTuu ddaaTTmmoobbaazzee aarr

wwaavvaa ddaammoouukkiiddeebbllaadd,, rrooggoorr

wwaarrmmooggiiddggeenniiaaTT TTqqvveennii SSaannsseebbii

aarrCCeevvnneebbzzee..

_ saqarTvelos, moqalaqeo-

bis arqoniT biZina ivaniSvi-

lis reitings, ndobas araferi

daakldeba. problemebi SeiZ-

leba samarTlebrivi kuTxiT

Seeqmnas. magaliTad, ver daa-

finansos partia da ase Semdeg.

mzad varT, problemebis didi

nawili partiebma sakuTar Tav-

ze aviRoT da davexmaroT bi-

Zina ivaniSvils. Cven gagvaCnia

samarTlebrivi statusi da

amas aucileblad gamoviyenebT.

__ uummrraavvlleessoobbaamm TTqqvveennii ddaa

`̀xxaallxxiiss ppaarrttiiiiss~~ kkooaalliicciiaaSSii

ggaawweevvrriiaanneebbiiss mmoottiivvaadd iivvaanniiSS-

vviilliiss ffiinnaannssuurrii rreessuurrssiissaaddmmii

iinntteerreessii ddaaaassaaxxeellaa.. rrooggoorriiaa

TTqqvveennii aarrgguummeennttii??

_ erTi rusuli gamoTqmaa,

adamiani ra donezec gafuWebu-

lia, im doneze azrovnebs. xe-

lisuflebis warmomadgenlebs

Cven ratomRac nulis tolfa-

si vgonivarT. fuladi intere-

sebi rom gvqonoda Cveni saqmi-

anobidan gamomdinare, rogorme

movagvarebdiT. dRes fi-

nansur resursebze gaci-

lebiT did resurszea sa-

ubari. esaa saxelisuf-

lebo berketebis xelSi

aReba. amitom mTavrobis

warmomadgenlebis sauba-

ri sinamdviles moklebu-

li da sasaciloa. biZina

ivaniSvilis gverdiT

vdgavarT imisTvis, rom

masTan erTad movideT xe-

lisuflebaSi da am Sem-

TxvevaSi, finansebi miz-

nis misaRwevad erT-erTi

detalia.

__ ffuullii,, xxSSiirr SSeemmTTxx-

vveevvaaSSii,, ppoolliittiikkoossiiss ggaa-

ddaawwyyvveettiilleebbaaSSii ddiidd rroo-

llss TTaammaaSSoobbss??

_ geTanxmebiT, finan-

suri resursi erT-erTi

mniSvnelovani faqtoria. biZi-

na ivaniSvils fulic aqvs,

ndobac, aris patrioti adami-

ani, sargeblobs sazogadoebaSi

didi siyvaruliT, amitom mis

irgvliv Seqmnil koalicias

saakaSvilis xelisuflebis

Secvlis realuri SesaZleb-

loba eqneba.

__ bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaanniiSSvviillss ffiinnaann-

ssuurrii SSeessaaZZlleebblloobbaa rroomm aarr

hhqqoonnooddaa eeqqnneebbooddaa aasseeTTii mmxxaarr-

ddaaWWeerraa??

_ bevr adamians aqvs fuli,

Tumca analogiuri mxardaWeri-

Ta da siyvaruliT ar sargeb-

lobs. ivaniSvilma sakuTar

samSobloSi miliard larze

meti daxarja. aqedan ki misi

damokidebuleba saqarTvelosa

da qarTveli xalxisadmi kar-

gad Cans. igi wlebis ganmavlo-

baSi afinansebda xelovanebs,

gadaarCina mravali istoriu-

li Zegli, exmareboda qarTul

jars da a.S. naxeT, ra xdeba

saCxereSi. iq avad gaxdomis

aravis eSinia, radgan biZina

ivaniSvilma adgilobrivebi sr-

uli samedicino daxmarebiT

uzrunvelyo.

__ ooppoozziicciiiiss nnaawwiillii ffiiqq-

rroobbss,, rroomm kkooaalliicciiaaSSii ggaaeerrTTii-

aanneebbuull ppaarrttiieebbss ggaarrkkvveeuullwwii-

llaadd SSeeeezzRRuuddeebbaaTT ppaarrttiiuullii

xxeeddvveebbii,, ggeeggmmeebbii,, TTqqvveenn rraass ffiiqq-

rroobbTT??

_ yvelanair SezRudvisTvis

mzad varT. yvela xedva, yvela

formulireba, rac sazogadoe-

bas miewodeba, erToblivad

moxdeba koaliciis saxeliT.

arCevnebamde ar vapireb parti-

uli interesebidan gamomdinare

vimoqmedo, gavakeTo gancxade-

bebi, es mxolod koaliciis

farglebSi moxdeba. koaliciam

erT gundad erT sistemad un-

da imuSaos. yvela nabiji kar-

gad unda gavaanalizoT, miTu-

metes, win mZime saarCevno pro-

cesi gvelodeba.

__ ccnnoobbiilliiaa,, kkooaalliicciiaaSSii

ggaassaawweevvrriiaanneebbllaadd kkoonnssuullttaaccii-

eebbii ssxxvvaa ppaarrttiieebbTTaannaacc mmiimmddiinnaa-

rreeoobbss.. iimm SSeemmTTxxvveevvaaSSii TTuu kkooaa-

lliicciiaaSSii nniinnoo bbuurrjjaannaaZZee ddaa mmii-

ssii ppaarrttiiaa ggaaeerrTTiiaannddeebbaa,, ddaarrCCee-

bbiiTT ggaaeerrTTiiaanneebbaaSSii??

_ biZina ivaniSvilTan or

Tveze metia gvaqvs konsulta-

ciebi, Tumca amis Taobaze in-

formacia arcerT mediasaSua-

lebaSi ar gavrcelebula, sa-

nam yvelaferi oficialurad

ar gamocxadda. amitom, winas-

war ra rogor iqneba, ver

getyviT. oficialurad yvela-

feri gaxmaurdeba Tu rogor

Camoyalibdeba koaliciis st-

ruqtura, visTan viTanamSrom-

lebT da ase Semdeg.

__ ddaammiikkoonnkkrreetteeTT,, ssaammoommaavv-

lloodd kkooaalliicciiaaSSii TTuu bbuurrjjaannaa-

ZZiiss ffaaqqttoorrii SSeemmoovvaa ddaarrCCeebbiiTT

kkooaalliicciiaaSSii TTuu aarraa??

_ aseTi tipis informaciis

gavrcelebisgan Tavs Sevikaveb.

yvelaferi Tavis droze sazo-

gadoebisTvis cnobili gaxdeba.

__ aarrsseebbuullii ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo kkoo-

ddeeqqssiiss SSeeccvvllaass aarraaeerrTTxxeell

iiTTxxoovvddii rrvviiaanniiss,, eeqqvvssiiaanniiss

ffoorrmmaattSSii,, TTuummccaa xxeelliissuuffllee-

bbaa ddaaTTmmoobbaazzee aarr wwaavviiddaa,, TTuu aarr

CCaavvTTvvlliiTT rraammddeenniimmee ooppoozziicciiuu-

rrii ppaarrttiiiissTTvviiss SSeeTTaavvaazzeebbuull

rraammddeenniimmee ppuunnqqttss,, rroommeelliicc ssaa-

aarrCCeevvnnoo kkaannoonnmmddeebblloobbaaSSii uukkvvee

aaiissaaxxaa.. rrooggoorr ffiiqqrroobbTT,, aarrssee-

bbuullii ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo kkooddeeqqssiiss ppii-

rroobbeebbSSii,, rraa SSaannsseebbii ggaaqqvvTT,, SSee-

ssaaZZlleebbeelliiaa ddaammoouukkiiddeebbeellii aarr-

CCeevvnneebbiiss CCaattaarreebbaa??

_ minda giTxraT, rom moq-

medi kanonmdebloba samarTli-

ani araa. saarCevno sakiTxebSi

yvelaze mniSvnelovani poli-

tikuri Semadgenelia (politi-

kosi ndobis, mxardaWeris ra

resursiT sargeblobs) da ara

sakanonmdeblo Semadgeneli. Ca-

tarebulma gamokiTxvebma cxad-

hyo, rom mosaxleobis 75 pro-

centi mzadaa wavides arCevneb-

ze. politikaSi 20 welze me-

tia var da aseTi cifrebi ara-

sodes dafiqsirebula, rac am

etapze yvelaze mniSvnelovania.

aRniSnuli cxadyofs, rom ada-

mianebi, romlebic xelisufle-

bis Secvlis erTaderT meTo-

dad revolucias miiCnevdnen,

axla saakaSvilis Secvlas, ar-

Cevnebis gziT, dasaSvebad miiC-

neven.

__ rraa iiyyoo mmiizzeezzii aarrCCeevvnneebbzzee

xxaallxxiiss ppaassiiuurroobbiiss,, vveerr aammaarrTT-

lleebbddiiTT mmoollooddiinnss??

_ sazogadoeba opozicias

ar endoboda, ar hqondaT ime-

di, opozicias SeeZlo xeli-

suflebis Secvla. dRes ukve

biZina ivaniSvilis saSualebiT

xalxSi fsiqologiuri garda-

texa moxda, gaCnda imedi xeli-

suflebis Secvlis.

__ rrooggoorr ffiiqqrroobbTT,, ssaaaakkaaSS-

vviillii ddaaTTmmoobbss aarrCCeevvnneebbss??

_ Zalianac ar unda arCev-

nebis daTmoba, amitom TiToe-

ul saarCevno ubanze uSeRava-

To brZola iqneba. procesSi

sazogadoebac, Tavis mxriv, aq-

tiuri CarTuli unda iyos,

imisTvis droulad mivaRwioT

mizans, gavistumroT mixeil

saakaSvili.

__ bboollooss,, rrooggoorr SSeeffaasseebb-

ddiiTT bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaanniiSSvviilliiss ggaammoossvv-

llaass?? rrooggoorr ffiiqqrroobbTT,, bbiizznneess-

mmeennmmaa iimm pprroobblleemmeebbzzee ggaaaakkeeTTaa

aaqqcceennttii,, rraacc ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooSSii

aarrsseebboobbss??

_ realurad ivaniSvils

axali araferi uTqvams, razec

aqamde politikosebs ar gvisa-

ubria. man isaubra soflis me-

urneobis socialur-ekonomi-

kur Tematikaze, jandacvis

problemebze da a.S. samwuxa-

rod isaa, rom es yvelaferi

CvenTvis ukve ocnebad gadaiqca.

dRes ukve gaCnda Sansi, yvela-

feri, rac ocnebis WrilSi

warmoedgina, realobad iqces.

miranda nabaxteveli

`dRes gaCnda Sansi, yvelaferi, rac ocnebis WrilSi warmogvedgina, realobad iqces~

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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5saerTo gazeTi#53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w.

gvesaubreba kinoreJisori

batoni rezo CxeiZe.

-rrogoria dRes qarTuli

politikuri realoba?Tqven

karga xania saqarTevloSi

aRar imyofebiT, rogor aRiq-

meba garedan aq mimdinare

procesebi?

-is, rom saqarTvelo da

qarTveli eri dumda da saWi-

ro iyo sulis STaberva, es

CemTvis absoluturad naTe-

li iyo. Tqven warmoidgineT,

ver vityvi, rom dro Cvens

sasargeblod muSaobda. erma

garkveuli cvlilebebi gani-

cada, TiTqos yvelaferi su-

lerTi gaxda. davkargeT

afxazeTi, oseTi da amas Se-

vegueT. rodesac imereTisken

midixar da gzad qarTlSi ga-

ivli, im Senobebs rom daina-

xav, sadac axalgoridan dev-

nilebi arian Sesaxlebulni,

mis danaxvas merCia, gadamwva-

ri soflebi menaxa. roca

uyureb rogor cxovrobs

xalxi aq, romlebic SeCve-

ulni arian mindors, Tavis

garemos, Was, gvirilebs, ba-

tebs...rodesac iq mixdeba Cav-

la, Tavs yovelTvis gverdiT

mivabruneb xolme, imdenad

dramisa da tragediis gamom-

xatvelia es yovelive. aRar

vsaubrob socialuri SeWir-

vebul mdgomareobaze, aRarc

aris saWiro saubari, imdenad

saxierad da xatovnad Cans es

ubedureba.

-TTqven yovelTvis monawi-

leobdiT mitingebsa da de-

monstraciebSi, Tumca, arasd-

ros arcerT partiaSi ar yo-

filxarT...

- ar vyofilvar arc erT

partiaSi komunisturi par-

tiis garda da ar daviwyeb

mis Zagebas axla. im period-

Si saqarTveloSi Zalian bev-

ri ram gaakeTa. qarTveli

eris tradiciebi SenarCunda

da amaRlda, Tundac ganaTle-

bis sferoSi. am dros gaZli-

erda qarTuli universiteti,

romelic 1918 wels ivane ja-

vaxiSvilis xelmZRvanelobiT

daibada. misi roli komunis-

turi mmarTvelobisas ki ar

Semcirda, aramed ganviTarda

da amave dros qarTvelebis

azrovnebis, politikuri, is-

toriuli, literaturuli,

fsiqologiuri dedaboZi gax-

da. xalxi universitetis wi-

naSe rom gaivlida, TiTqos

taZris winaSe gadioda, quds

ixdida da pirjvars iwer-

da.ra saxelia aqvs axla uni-

versitets? dRevandeli xe-

lisufleba umaRles saswav-

leblebs daeria, fizkultu-

ris institutis gauqmeba Se-

iZleboda? ra dReSia skole-

bi, Seiyvanes ucxoeli maswav-

leblebi. qarTuli skola

brwyinvale iyo, modeli

germanuli skolidan gadmoi-

Res, ra hqonda mas sakriti-

ko? Tu ram ar moswondaT,

daematebinaT rame.

me amerikul presas kar-

gad vicnob, sadac weren, rom

mTavari iaraRi iseT patara

qveyanaSi, rogorc saqarTve-

loa, aris ara atomuri iara-

Ri, romelic mTlianad gaa-

nadgurebs fizikurad qveya-

nas, aramed Seteva eris su-

lierebaze. qarTvelma unda

dakargos sulierebis grZno-

ba, amitom xorcieldeba Se-

tevebi eklesiaze. qarTuli

Teatri, kino, mwerloba

eris droSaa. mwerlebis-

Tvis Senobis warTmeva

SeiZleboda? aq ilias,

vaJasa da akakis tradi-

ciebia, vinc ar unda yo-

filiyo misi xelmZRvane-

li, iq axali Taoba mo-

dioda da yalibdeboda.

SeiZleboda kompozito-

rebisTvis saxlis warT-

meva? rom ar hqonodaT,

unda miecaT, ki ar unda

waerTvaT.

me axla moskovSi var,

vaxmovaneb Cems gadaRe-

bul films da yvela me-

kiTxeba-ra mouvida qar-

Tul kinos? ra unda vu-

pasuxo? aRarc qarTuli

fexburTi gvaqvs, garda-

icvala mesxi, metreveli,

iamaniZe, yifiani, magram

qarTuli Teatrisa da ki-

nos warmomadgnlebi xom

cocxlebi arian? fuli

ar aris? es xom warmo-

udgeneli sicruea.

Cemi qaliSvili Tam-

riko, daaxloebiT 3 we-

li kgb-s cixeSi ijda,

Tqven fiqrobT, rom me

kinostudiis xelmZRvane-

lis posti damatovebines

an suraTis gadaRebaze

miTxres uari? axla mi-

tingze Cemma ramdenjerme

gamoCenam, ganapiroba is,

rom ”qarTuli filmis”

Statidan momxsnens. Tanac es

avadmyofobis mere savadmyo-

foSi ramdenimeTviani yofnis

Semdeg gavige. iciT, rom saa-

vadmyofoebSi sadac me viwe-

qi, sistematiurad xorciel-

deboda zarebi, ainteresebdaT

marTla saavadmyofoSi viweqi

Tu migranti viyavi, mamowmeb-

dnen.

robiko sturua qarTuli

Teatris novatori da didi

reJisoria, am sityvis pirda-

piri mniSvnelobiT, SeiZle-

boda misi ganTavisufleba

mxolod imitom, rom sakuTa-

ri azri gamoxata xelisuf-

lebis sawinaaRmdegod? ras

hgavs es? axalgazrda mTav-

robaa, nuTu maT ar SeuZli-

aT gaakeTon iseTi reformebi,

rac ers am gaWirvebuli

mdgomareobidan gamoiyvans,

rodesac xedaven, rom qalebi

da mamakacebi sanagve yuTebSi

eZeben saWmels? xalxis azrs

ar kiTxuloben, ar aintere-

sebT.

ratom daxures qarTuli

kino? imitom xom ara, rom

is eris sulierebis wyaroa?

kinostudia `qarTuli film-

Si” Sedioda TumaniSvilis

saxelobis Teatri, qarTuli

multiplikaciis studia,

romlebic Cvens balansze ij-

da. Cven xels vuwyobdiT

axalgazrda kinoreJisoreb-

isa da operatorebis gazrdas

da Camoyalibebas. Tqven war-

moidgineT, sabWoTa kavSiris

dros vaxerxebdiT qarTuli

erovnuli xelovnebis Senar-

Cunebas da sxvaTaSoris,

maSindeli mTavroba amaSi

gvexmareboda. amerikasa

da safrangeTSi Searqves

saxeli- qarTuli kinos

fenomeni. qarTvel xalxs

dRes ise sWirdeba qar-

Tuli kino, rogorc ”ha-

ubica” da atomuri bombi.

-rramdeni dRis win bi-

Zina ivaniSvilis ”qarTu-

li ocnebis” prezentaci-

aze brZandebodiT. Tqven

didi xania mas icnobT,

rogor daaxasiaTebT mis

pirovnebas?

-me baton biZina iva-

niSvils misi saqmeebiT

vicnob. SemiZlia giTx-

raT, rom is qarTul saq-

meebze gadamkvdari adami-

ania. ivaniSvili zrunavs

SeWirvebul xalxze, sa-

qarTvelos mowinave ada-

mianebze, kulturuli

Senoba-nagebobebis Senar-

Cunebasa da gaumjobese-

baze. iciT, ra mdgomare-

obaSi iyo rusTavelis

saZirkveli? saZirkveli

TiTqmis CaSlili iyo da

wyali idga, gadaarCina

rusTavelis Teatris Se-

noba, operis Teatris Se-

noba, saqarTvelos muze-

umi gadaarCina, griSaSvi-

lis saxl-muzeums are-

monteben. ”mecnierebaTa

akademiis” mTavari sayr-

deni samecniero institute-

bia, maTi gauqmebiT akademia

daikargeba, axla gavige fsi-

qologiis instituti dake-

tila. qarTuli fsiqologi-

is skola msoflioSi mowina-

ve gaxldaT da dRevandeli

praqtikuli fsiqologia di-

mitri uznaZis ”ganwyobis

Teoriaze” dgas. misi gamoye-

neba politikaSic SeiZleba

da reJisorebi mas msaxiobeb-

Tan muSaobaSi viyenebdiT.

Sen msaxiobi unda ”dateno”

fsiqologiurad da daarwmu-

no, rom is aris, magaliTad,

mefe erekle an giorgi saaka-

Ze. beritaSvilis fiziolo-

giisa da musxeliSvilis ma-

Tematikis skola aiReT, sad

wavida an qarTuli mwerlo-

ba sad daikarga? raSia saq-

me? saqarTveloSi bolSevi-

kebis sisxlian periodSi,

rodesac SorapanTan, sabargo

matareblis vagonebSi xalxi

daxvrites, aseTi teroris

periodSi daiwyo qarTuli

kinos, kote marjaniSvilis

Teatris aRorZineba, movid-

nen ”cisferyanwelebi”, fi-

rosmani, lado gudiaSvili,

mose ToiZe, elene axvledia-

ni, sad aris axla es yvela-

feri, sad wavida? qarTveli

eri aucileblad gamova ga-

Wirvebidan, magram saintere-

soa, rogor gamova?

-qqarTul politikur rea-

lobaSi biZina ivaniSvilis

politikaSi gamoCenis Semdeg

sazogadoeba or polusad ga-

iyo, saubroben imazec, rom

sazogadoebaSi didi imedi

gaCnda. rogor fiqrobT, Se-

icvleba raime?

-absoluturad darwmune-

buli var, rom Seicvleba. xe-

lisuflebam sakuTari poli-

tikis gadaxedva unda da-

iwyos, raTa xalxma iwamos

da ara ucxoeTidan miRebuli

brZanebebis safuZvelze mar-

Tos qveyana. winaaRmdeg Sem-

TxvevaSi, ivaniSvils, rome-

lic Tavisi gancxadebebiT,

gacilebiT erovnuli Cans,

xalxi mxars mas dauWers ar-

Cevnebis dros. sxva gza ar

aris.

Cemi azriT, yvelafers

RmerTi wyvets,RvTismSobeli

gadagvarCens mxolod. Tu ki-

dev erTxel gacruvda imedi,

xalxi jogad gadaiqceva da

aRar gveyoleba aRarc galak-

tioni, firosmani, marjaniS-

vili. me mainc maqvs imedi, pe-

simistebis azrs ar viziareb.

xom erqva filarmoniaSi ga-

marTul prezentacias ”qar-

Tuli ocneba”? vijeqi da

vfiqrobdi, ra kargad da

zustad iyo es yvelaferi

mofiqrebuli, yvela adamians

xom gaaCnia sakuTri ocneba,

romlis praqtikulad gan-

xorcieleba surs? mec maqvs

Cemi ocneba-qarTuli erovnu-

li kinos aRdgena da misT-

vis Zveli, msoflio didebis

dabruneba...

nuca daviTaSvili

rezo CxeiZe: rezo CxeiZe: mec maqvs Cemi ocneba _ qarTuli

erovnuli kinos aRdgena da misTvis Zveli, msofliodidebis dabruneba...


`saerTo gazeTis~ stumaria

`saxalxo krebis~ wevri irak-li baTiaSvili.

_ batono irakli, `respub-

likelebma~ biZina ivaniSvilis

gamosvla Seafases, rogorc lo-

gikuri, zomieri, gamarTuli.

Tqven ras fiqrobT?

_ es iyo aSkarad gonieri

adamianis gamosvla, sadac swo-

rad, adekvaturad, Sefasda Seqm-

nili politikuri mdgomareoba.

sityviT gamosvlisas biZina iva-

niSvili Seexo TiTqmis yvela

problemas, rac Cvens qveyanaSi

arsebobs. esaa socialuri, sasa-

marTlos sakiTxebi, ekonomikuri

da teritoriuli mTlianobis

problemebi, ganaTleba da a.S.

piradad saintereso aRmoCnda is

pasaJebi, rac biznesTan dakavSi-

rebiT gaakeTa, Tu rogor gadag-

varda biznesi romelic, dRes is

ukve saxelmwifosTan integri-

rebuli gaxda.

mTlianobaSi sazogadoebrivi

moZraoba `qarTuli ocnebis~

yriloba iyo saqmiani, sadac yve-

laze mniSvnelovani da Rirebu-

li biZina ivaniSvilis zogierTi

racionaluri gamosvla iyo.

_ nukri qanTariam biznesme-

nis gamosvla, saerTo jamSi, da-

debiTad Seafasa. Tumca aRniSna,

rom ivaniSvilisgan problemebis

gadasaWrelad, konkretul geg-

mebs moeloda. Tqvenc gqondaT

msgavsi molodini?

_ gaxsovT, albaT, filarmo-

niaSi `saxalxo krebis~ masSta-

buri yriloba, sadac sakmaod

seriozuli gamosvlebi gvqonda.

minda giTxraT, rom SeuZlebe-

lia msgavsi tipis Sekrebebisas

raime konkretuli gegmebis pre-

zentacia. imisTvis, rom damswre

auditoria ar gadaiRalos, ga-

momsvlelma maqsimum, 15 wuTi

unda isaubros. biZina ivaniSvi-

li drois am monakveTSi, faq-

tobrivad, ver isaubrebda prob-

lemis gadaWris gzebze.

yrilobis organizatorebs,

ra Tqma unda, SeeZloT RonisZi-

ebis grandiozul movlenad ga-

daqceva, magram, rogorc Cans,

yvelaferi arCies ufro sada da

naklebad myvirala yofiliyo.

_ yrilobas `saxalxo kre-

bis~ warmomadgenlebic eswre-

bodnen. nona gafrindaSvilma aR-

niSna, rom ivaniSvilisa da kre-

bis mosazrebebi sakmaod bevr sa-

kiTxebSi emTxveva. konkretulad

ra sakiTxebzea Tqveni azrTa

Tanxvedra?

_ nona gafrindaSvili, mo-

gexsenebaT, `saxalxo krebis~

Tavmjdomarea, magram Tavad nona,

rezo esaZe, soso jaWvliani,

yrilobaze miwveulni iyvnen,

rogorc sazogadoebis warmomad-

genlebi. ramdenadac CemTvis

cnobilia, RonisZiebas partnio-

ri politikuri partiis garda

arcerTi politikosi ar eswre-

boda. qalbaton nonas gancxade-

bas rac Seexeba, man gaaJRera is,

rac `saxalxo krebis~ warmomad-

genlebs araerTxel gviTqvams.

kreba Tavidanve miesalma biZina

ivaniSvilis politikaSi gamoCe-

nas da yrilobazec principulad

gansxvavebuli araferi Tqmula.

`saxalxo kreba~ iTanamSrom-

lebs yvela im pirTan, politi-

kur partiasTan da arasamTavro-

bo organizaciasTan, vinc drou-

lad daasrulebs avtoritarul

reJims da qarTuli sazogadoeba

damoukidebeli arCevnebis piro-

bebSi SeZlebs airCios is, vinc

surs.

`saxalxo krebis~ warmomad-

genlebs araerTxel gviTqvams,

rom arsebuli reJimis pirobeb-

Si Tavisufalia damoukidebeli

arCevnebis Catareba gamoricxu-

lia. biZina ivaniSvilis politi-

kaSi gamoCenam viTareba Secvala,

gaCnda Sansi, arCevnebis gziT

Seicvalos xelisufleba. ivaniS-

vilis faqtoris miuxedavad, ma-

inc saeWvod rCeba arCevnebis sa-

SualebiT daTmobs, Tu ara saa-

kaSvili Zalauflebas.

_ Tqveni azriT, ar SeiZleba

kvlevebs bolomde daveyrdnoT?

_ biZina ivaniSvils sazoga-

doebis mxridan aqvs uzarmazari

mxardaWera da Tanadgoma, Tumca

mxolod es araa sakmarisi arCev-

nebSi gasamarjveblad. imas, rom

saakaSvili danebebas ar apirebs

`ai-ra-is~ kvlevebidanac gamoCn-

da. Tqven marTla gjeraT, rom

procentulad saakaSvili usw-

rebs biZinas? ubralod gadiT

quCaSi da naxavT ra reaqcia

aqvT xalxs saakaSvilis xseneba-

ze, Tbilissa da regionSi.

_ gayalbebulia kvlevis Se-

degebi?

_ sazogadoeba daTr-

gunuli da daSinebulia.

adamianebi visac gulwr-

felad ar undaT `nac-

moZraoba~da misi damqa-

Sebi SiSis faqtoris ga-

mo pozicias ver afiqsi-

reben. samwuxarod, igive

situacia ikveTeba arCev-

nebis procesSic. arCev-

nebze saubrisas mniSvne-

lovania saarCevno siebi,

damkvirveblebis sakiTxi,

ceskos Semadgenloba,

magram umTavresia is me-

qanizmebi, rasac arCevne-

bis win iyenebs xeli-

sufleba, esaa daSineba

da xalxis mosyidva.

_ arCevnebi Tu kvlav gayal-

bdeba, SesaZlebelia saqarTve-

loSi igive situacia ganmeor-

des, rac e.w. samxreT oseTsa da

ruseTSia?

_ arCevnebis gayalbebam e.w.

samxreT oseTis mosaxleobaSi

iseTi vnebaTaRelva gamoiwvia,

kokoiTi iZulebuli gaxda daT-

mobebze wasuliyo da gadamdga-

riyo. moskovs rac Seexeba, mar-

Talia, moqalaqeebma daZlies Si-

Si da gamovidnen, magram Zalian

mcire raodenobiT. 10 milionia-

ni moskovisTvis 30-40 000 aq-

ciis monawile araferia. amitom

is isteria, rac `nacmoZraobis

arxebzea~ atexili, sinamdviles

moklebulia, nacvlad imisa, gaa-

Suqon is mZime socialur-poli-

tikuri mdgomareoba rac qveyana-

Sia, ruseTze laparakoben. Cveni

samSoblo saqarTveloa da ara

ruseTi.

roca saubroben, rom qarTu-

li opozicia nulia, Segaxse-

nebT, ramdenime wlis win opozi-

cias quCaSi gamohyavda 80 000

adamiani, daaxloebiT 12 000 ka-

ci ipodromze gamovida. `saxal-

xo krebam~ ki mxolod sakuTari

resursiT maisis movlenebis

dros 30 000 adamiani gamoiyva-

na, anu is raodenoba, rac dRes

moskovSia gamosuli.

aRniSnuli miSas televizi-

ebze im mizniT xorcieldeba, sa-

zogadoebas daanaxon TiTqos

ruseTis xelisufleba damxobis

pirasaa da amiT saqarTvelos

mTavroba gaimarjvebs. `saxalxo

kreba~ absoluturad yvelgan,

yvela qveyanaSi miesalmeba ga-

mosvlebs, aqciebs, romelic mi-

marTulia arCevnebis Sedegebis

dasacavad, samarTliani arCevne-

bis Casatareblad.

_ biZina ivaniSvils xalxis

didi ndoba aqvs. Tqveni azriT,

ra niSniT airCia igi xalxma: qa-

rizmiT, programiT, Tu qvelmoq-

medebiT?

_ pirvel rigSi, xalxma bi-

Zina ivaniSvili sakuTari saqmee-

bisa da qvelmoqmedebis gamo mi-

iRo. biznesmenis saxelis ukan

ubralo lai-lai ar dgas.

_ Wabua amirejibma sazoga-

doebas mouwoda, `RmrTiv boZe-

buli SesaZlebloba xelidan ar

gauSvan~. ivaniSvili aris bolo

Sansi saakaSvilis xelisufle-

bis Sesacvlelad?

_ Cvens qveyanas da xalxs

mudmivad hqonda uflis mfarve-

loba, arsebulze gacilebiT

rTuli periodi gvqonia, magram

feniqsiviT aRmdgara saqarTve-

lo, amitom Sansi yovelTvis

gvqonia, gvaqvs da gveqneba, mTa-

varia, Sansis sworad gamoyeneba.

samwuxarod 20-wliani po-

litikuri gamocdilebis miuxe-

davad, politikosebi am kuTxiT

umwifrebi, Camouyalibelebi va-

rT. droulad Tu ar miviRebT

Sesabamis zomebs mankieri, avto-

ritaruli reJimis Sesacvlel-

ad, SesaZloa, gacilebiT rTul

situaciaSi aRmovCndeT.

_ `qarTuli ocnebas~ sazo-

gadoebis gaerTianebis funqcia

daekisra. araerTxel gvinaxavs

gaerTianebuli sazogadoeba, Tu-

mca realur Sedegamde misuli

arasodes. Tqveni azriT, `qarTu-

li ocneba~ moaxerxebs qarTve-

lebis konsolidacias?

_ bevri ram, maT Soris sa-

momavlod movlenebis ganviTa-

reba damokidebulia ivaniSvil-

ze da mis garemocvaze. maTi

mxridan swori nabjebi unda ga-

daidgas imisTvis, rom SeZlon

sazogadoebis umravlesobis

konsolidacia. realurad qveya-

naSi amis SesaZlebloba da San-

sebi arsebobs, jeri ivaniSvil-

zea.

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saxelo moZraobas~ xelisuflebis anarekls uwodebs da acxadebs, rom qveyanaSi ori

politikuri polusis Camoyalibebis mcdeloba mimdinareobs. erTi polusi xelisuf-

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dasavleTze orientirebuli politikuri Zalebis gverdze Cawevis mcdeloba uSede-

god dasruldeba. ,,aseT viTarebaSi migvaCnia, rom mniSvnelovania qveyanaSi mesame po-

litikuri centris, e.w. zomieri, centristuli da dasavleTze orientirebuli Zale-

bis gaaqtiurebis aucilebloba, romlebic ar miscemen saSualebas arc xelisuflebas

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_ batono nodar `saaRsrule-

bo warmoebaTa Sesaxeb~ kanonis Za-

laSi Sesvlis Semdeg, Tqven amas

mizanmimarTulad `qarTu bankis~

gakotrebis mcdeloba uwodeT. xe-

lisuflebam am kanoniT kidev er-

Ti ukanonoba daakanona. magram sa-

interesoa, es mxolod `qarTu

banks~ Tu sxva bankebsac, da zoga-

dad qveyanasac Seuqmnis safrTxes?

_ rbilad rom vTqvaT, sakanon-

mdeblo aracivilizebuli gadawy-

vetilebebi mxolod `qarTu ban-

kis~ winaaRmdeg gamoiyenes. es Se-

saniSnavad icodnen Cvenma kolega

bankirebma, amitomac protestis

gamoxatvis dros, am sakiTxSi mxa-

ri ar agvibes. jerjerobiT, Cemi

naTqvami marTldeba, arcerT sxva

bankis xelmZRvanels ar ganucxa-

debia, rom am kanonma dartyma ma-

Tac miayena. pirvelad, TqvenTan

xazgasmiT minda vTqva _ miuxeda-

vad imisa, am kanons mxolod Cvens

winaaRmdeg gamoiyeneben Tu ara,

Tavad `saaRsrulebo warmoebaTa

Sesaxeb~ kanonSi Sesuli cvlile-

ba udides dartymas miayenebs qar-

Tul saxelmwifos da ekonomikas.

mogaxsenebT, Tu ratom _ Cven ar

varT sakuTar wvenSi xarSvadi qve-

yana, bolo wlebis manZilze

mTlianad ucxour investiciebze

varT damokidebuli. aRniSnuli ka-

noni, qarTul sabanko sistemaSi

avtomaturad gaauaresebs mdgoma-

reobas da kreditebs gaaZvirebs.

vinmes SeiZleba ar eSinodes am ka-

nonis mis winaaRmdeg gamoyenebis,

magram saerTaSoriso standarte-

biT sakanonmdeblo cvlilebis ga-

mo riski izrdeba, amitom banki,

romelic TiTqos erTi SexedviT

daculad grZnobs Tavs, mainc val-

debuli iqneba rezervebi gazardos

imitom, rom iqmneba saSiSroeba,

saerTaSoriso auditoruli kompa-

niebi aucileblad moiTxoven lik-

vidobis ufro maRal dones da,

rac mTavaria maRal rezervebs Ti-

Toeuli giraoTi uzrunvelyofi-

li sesxis qveS. kidev ufro didi

ubedureba elis mTlianad qveyanas

imitom, rom am kanonis gacnobie-

reba ukve saerTaSoriso doneze

xdeba da Sesabamisad arcerTi in-

vestori saqarTveloSi aRar Camo-

va. aseve, ucxouri bankebidan sak-

redito xazebi saqarTveloSi ar

iqneba. ufro swored iqneba mxo-

lod erT SemTxvevaSi _ isini qar-

Tul giraos giraod aRar CaTvli-

an da gaCndeba Semdegi saxis

moTxovna _ dagiravdes ucxoeTSi

arsebuli raime qoneba, risi miR-

wevac, SeuZlebelia. anu es udide-

si dartymaa qarTuli ekonomikis-

Tvis da investorebisTvis. praqti-

kulad, saqarTvelos SesaZlo per-

speqtiuli investorebisTvis es

niSnavs, rom saqarTveloSi aranai-

ri investiciis ganxorcieleba sa-

kredito xazis gaxsna, an kredi-

tis gamoyofa, veRar moxdeba. ro-

gorc Cans, xelisufleba am risks

bolomde ver acnobierebs es yve-

la variantSi ase moxdeba miuxeda-

vad xelisuflebis mxridan banke-

bis darwmunebisa _ ar Segamow-

mebT da Tqvens klientebs ar aR-

movuCenT e.w. damalul Semosav-

lebso. es saSiSroeba garantire-

bulia. es ar gaxlavT prognozi,

romelic ramdenime kviris win `sa-

gadasaxado kodeqsSi~ da `saaRs-

rulebo warmoebaTa Sesaxeb~ ka-

nonSi cvlilebebis miRebis dros

gavakeTe. ara, es avtomaturad ga-

rantirebulia. amis bazaze auci-

leblad gaizrdeba qveynis riski,

rac uars aTqmevinebs im potenci-

ur investorsac, romelic jer ki-

dev guSin mzad iyo Cvens qveyana-

Si investiciis gansaxorcieleb-

lad. Tu wlis bolomde es kanoni

ar gauqmdeba, yvela saerTaSoriso

auditoruli organizaciebis das-

kvnaSi aRniSnuli cvlileba Seva

da momavali wlis moTxovnebi uk-

ve am saSiSroebis gaTvaliswinebiT

iqneba, anu bankebi sakmaod cud

mdgomareobaSi aRmoCndebian miuxe-

davad imisa, gamoiyenebs Tu ara

vinme am kanons maT winaaRmdeg.

_ nuTu ise daabnia biZina iva-

niSvilis politikaSi Semosvlam

xelisufleba, rom veRar xvdeba,

banki qarTus garda garantirebul

saSiSroebas rom uqmnis qveyanas?

_ mgonia, rom ver iTvaliswi-

nebs am riskebs, amas sxva kvalifi-

kacia da done sWirdeba. sabanko

sistema mowyvetili ar aris, es

qveynis sabanko sistemaa. rogora-

dac ar unda daemalaT es, amas

msoflio sazogadoebis Sesabamisi

nawili aucileblad gaigebda. yve-

la saerTaSoriso safinanso ins-

tituti iZulebuli iqneba minimum

gacilebiT meti ifiqros saqarTve-

los daxmarebisTvis da Tuki rai-

me sesxi gamoiyofa, es ufro maRa-

li procentiT iqneba, vidre iyo

aqamde. qveynis sakredito riskis

zrda, aucileblad gamoiwvevs, mi-

nimum saprocento ganakveTebis

zrdas. sadac riski izrdeba, bu-

nebrivia iq investori investicie-

bis Cadebas sifrTxiliT ekideba.

unda giTxraT, rom msoflioSi

ekonomikuri krizisis axali tal-

Raa mosalodneli, rac isedac av-

tomaturad Seamcirebs investici-

ebs. miTumetes, Tu isedac riske-

bis matarebeli qveyana iqneba, ra-

tom ganaxorcielebs vinme inves-

ticias?!

_ Tu SegiZliaT gviTxraT,

konkretulad, ra formiT aisaxa

bankze `saaRsrulebo warmoebaTa

Sesaxeb~ kanonSi da `sagadasaxado

kodeqsSi~ Sesuli cvlilebebi,

romelic, Tqveni TqmiT, specialu-

rad banki qarTus gasakotreblad

Seiqmna?

_ rasakvirvelia, am cvlile-

bebma ukve hpova asaxva qarTu ban-

kze. kerZod, 100 milionis qoneba

dayadaRda, romelic Cvens mier ga-

cemuli 70 milioniani kreditis

qveS gvqonda Cadebuli. am qonebis

nawili ukve gaitanes auqcionze,

magram ar gaiyida. sxvaTaSoris,

viwinaswarmetyveleT, rom asec mo-

xdeboda, am qonebas aravin iyidda

da saxelmwifo mas naturiT dai-

sakuTrebda, raTa ramdenime Tvis

Semdeg, SefarviT, magram isev ukan

daubrunos mis mierve angaJirebul

klientebs, romlebmac xeli mou-

weres e.w. aRiarebaze, rom maT bi-

ujetis valdebuleba, damaluli

Semosavali hqondaT.

_ ki magram am damalul Semo-

savlebze pasuxismgebeli aravinaa?

_ diax, es sasaciloa. Jurna-

listebmac mSvenivrad iciT, rom

ramdenime aTeuli laris moparva-

ze xalxs cixeSi wlobiT svamen.

Cndeba kiTxva _ Tu saxelmwifom

konkretul biznes-jgufs bolo 5-

6 wlis manZilze dagrovili 40

milionis davalianeba aRmouCina,

zed 60 milionis jarimac daa-

ricxa, maSin ratom ar dgeba am pi-

ris pasuxismgeblobis sakiTxi? ki,

aRiareba Semamsubuqebeli garemoe-

baa, magram pasuxismgeblobidan

xom ar gaTavisuflebs? uamravi

magaliTis moyvana SeiZleba, rode-

sac saxelmwifosadmi miyenebuli

zarali pirma aanazRaura, magram

cixeSi sasjeli mainc moixada. ma-

Sin, ra xdeba am SemTxvevaSi? saq-

me xom patara Tanxas ar exeba?!

roca 100 milionis qonebaze vsa-

ubrobT, ramdenadac viciT am Tan-

xis yadaRa mxolod `pirimzesa~ da

masTan dakavSirebul obieqtebzea

dadebuli, anu rodesac Cven 100

milionis qonebaze vsaubrobT, re-

alurad SeiZleba es iyos biuje-

tisTvis damaluli Semosavlebi

200 milioni da ufro metic. imi-

tom, rom 70 milionSi _ es aris

am jgufis 10-15 procenti, danar-

Ceni sxvebi arian.

_ batono nodar, aqve sainte-

resoa kidev erTi garemoeba, ras

elodeboda sagadasaxado am drom-

de, ratom ar Sevida aRniSnuli

obieqtebis Sesamowmeblad Tundac

SarSan da es obieqtebi raRa main-

cdamainc Tqveni bankis klientebis

aRmoCnda?

_ diax, marTlac saintereso

ar aris, raRa maincdamainc qarTu

bankis klientebi aRmoCndnen sa-

xelmwifosTvis zaralis mTavari

mimyeneblebi, raRa mxolod maT

daumales biujets Tanxebi? xom

ambobdnen aRniSnuli kanoni qarTu

bankisTvis ki ara, qveynisTvis mi-

viReTo. e.i. `aRmoCnda~, rom `biu-

jetis qurdebi~ mxolod qarTu

bankis klientebi arian da Tanac

isini ar arian sazogadoebisTvis

ucnobi xalxi, aramed sxvadasxva

doneze saqarTvelos xelisufle-

bas warmoadgenen. gamodis, rom maT

ekadrebodaT wlebis manZilze bi-

ujetis Tanxebis qurdoba da rad-

gan qurdoba aRiares Tanamdeboba-

zec unda darCnen, arc pasuxisge-

baSi ar unda miecnen da 2-3 Tvis

mere ukan unda daubrundeT qone-

ba?! rasakvirvelia, me am garigebe-

bis monawiles aravin gamxdida,

magram didi tvini ar sWirdeba er-

TmaneTTan faqtebis dakavSirebas _

magaliTad, Svili dRes dedas mih-

yidis mTel Tavis qonebas da erTi

Tu ori dRis Semdeg am qonebaze

biujetis uzarmazari yadaRa ide-

ba.

_ batono nodar, roca riskeb-

ze vsaubrobT gaugebaria kidev er-

Ti ram, auqcionze gayiduli qone-

ba myidvels valdebulebis gareSe

ratom gadaecema?

_ diax, am SemTxvevaSi valde-

buleba ar mihyveba, Tumca wesiT

ase ar unda xdebodes. ufro me-

tic, arc ki Cans, rom am fizikur

pirebs Tu kompaniebs bankis dava-

lianebac gaaCniaT. piri, vinc auq-

cionze gatanil qonebas SeiZens

keTilsindisier myidvelad iTvle-

ba. Tumca, amas principuli mniSv-

neloba ara aqvs, radgan, rogorc

aRvniSne, es qonebebi ar iyideba,

ideaSic ki ar aris maTi gayidva,

aramed isini saxelmwifos unda

darCes. SeiZleba raRac kidec ga-

iyidos, Tu es SeTanxmebis nawili

iqneba. garda amisa, arsebobs kidev

erTi problema _ imis gamo, rom

uzrunvelyofa wagvarTves, arauz-

runvelyofili sesxebi dagvrCa,

rasac rezervis gacilebiT maRali

procenti aqvs, anu sakmaod didi

Tanxebis darezerveba dagvWirdeba

an am sesxebis Camowera mogviwevs,

rac aucileblad kapitalis, ban-

kis momgebianobis Semcirebas gamo-

iwvevs. 70 milioni laris sakre-

dito valdebulebebi arauzrun-

velyofili rom datoves _ es er-

Tjeradi dartyma iyo, Tumca ar

viciT samomavlod kidev ras moi-

moqmedeben. es procesi grZeldeba,

guSin da guSinwinac iyo TiTo-Ti-

To SemTxveva _ dayadaRda milion-

naxevriani sesxis qveS arsebuli

girao da milion 300 aTasi dola-

ri, ori dRis manZilze sul jam-

Si 2 milion 800 aTasis sesxi gi-

raos gareSe dagvitoves. darwmu-

nebuli var, am mimarTulebiT in-

tensiur muSaobas gaagrZeleben.

jerjerobiT gakotrebis ara, mag-

ram arsebobs normativis darRve-

vis safrTxe. vfiqrob, `erovnuli

bankis~ da xelisuflebis mTavari

ideac swored es aris _ bankSi

droebiTi administracia Semoiyva-

non.

_ Tqven brZaneT, rom kanoni

qarTu bankis mimarT, anu SerCeviT

gamoiyenes.

_ kanonis SerCeviT gamoyeneba

erTi sakiTxia. magram garda amisa,

saerTaSoriso safinanso institu-

tebTan seriozuli saubari gvaqvs

am kanonis usamarTlobasa da Se-

degebze, rac maTac aucileblad

daartyams. ramdenadac vici, maTi

damokidebuleba erTmniSvnelovania

_ es aris qveynisTvis saziano,

usamarTlo, ekonomikisTvis dam-

Rupveli qmedeba. CemTvis cnobi-

lia, rom arsebobs moTxovnebi

wlis bolomde am kanonis gauqme-

bis Taobaze. es politikuri zewo-

laa, rac aseve cudia qveynis sa-

erTaSoriso imijisTvis da am sa-

erTaSoriso safinanso institu-

tebisTvisac, romelTac saqarTve-

loSi warmomadgenlobebi aqvT da-

arsebuli da, rac mTavaria civi-

lizebuli sabanko sistemis Seqm-

naze uzarmazari finansebi aqvT Ca-

debuli. 2008 wlis agvistos

omis Semdeg 500 milioni marto

saerTaSoriso savaluto fonds

aqvs Cadebuli qarTul sabanko

seqtorSi. Cven ara, magram isini

yvela qarTul banks sakredito

resursiT daexmarnen da bunebri-

via Tavis droze am Tanxis ukan

waReba mouwevT. amitom Tu banke-

bis mdgomareoba gauaresdeba es

maTze pirdapiri finansuri darty-

ma iqneba. rac Seexeba biznesjgu-

febs, romelTa qonebac dayadaRda,

aseTia 4 biznesjgufi, 14 iuridi-

ratom aRmoCndnen mxolod `qarTu bankis~ klientebi `biujetis qurdebi~?

8 gv.


uli piri da bolos amas daemata

2 biznesjgufi. es jgufebi marti-

vad SeirCa. zog kompanias 15 sxva-

dasxva damfuZnebeli hyavs da yve-

la maTganTan SeTanxmeba, miTume-

tes danaSaulze wasvla ar iqneba

mTlad martivi. koduebis ojaxs

sxva gamosavali ar hqondaT. aseTi

biznesjgufebi, sadac xelisufle-

bis sxvadasxva donis warmomadgen-

lebi pirdapir Tu iribad arian

CarTulni, arcTu cotaa.

_ marTlac paradoqsia, rom am

biznesjgufebs damaluli Tanxe-

bisTvis xelisufleba ar sjis,

erTi naWeri puris moparvisTvis

ki rigiTma moqalaqem SeiZleba

wlebi gaataros cixeSi.

_ diax, rodesac cixeSi vije-

qi kameraSi axalgazrda biWi Semo-

iyvanes, romelsac bralad narko-

tikebis gasaReba edeboda. mas 5

aTasi dolari gadaaxdevines da

gauSves. ra gamodis, igi aRar

aris narkotikebis gamsaRebeli?

rogor SeiZleba, narkodilerTan

saproceso SeTanxmeba gaaformo.

mapatieT, magram movklav kacs, me-

re vaRiareb da saxlSi gamiSveben?

maRazia rom gavtexo, mere vaRia-

ro da fulic davabruno, aRar da-

miWeren?

_ batono nodar, Seqmnili si-

tuaciis gaTvaliswinebiT xom ar

arsebobs safrTxe, rom momavali

klienti dafrTxeba da gadai-

fiqrebs qarTu bankSi aqtive-

bis ganTavsebas?

_ simarTle giTxraT

axali klientebis moZiebiT

dainteresebuli aRar varT.

rasakvirvelia es zewola

Tundac im kuTxidan gamom-

dinare, rom sakredito aq-

tivoba SevamcireT, klien-

tebs avtomaturad gvakarg-

vinebs _ SesaZlosac da

arsebulsac. magram qarTu-

li sazogadoebis ndoba bankisadmi

kvlav didia. mxardamWeri procesi

kvlav grZeldeba, dRes 22 aTasze

meti meanabre gvyavs, maSin roca am

aqciis dawyebamde 870 anabari

gvqonda, rac niSnavs, rom sazoga-

doebas rwmena ar daukargavs.

_ saubris dasawyisSi axseneT,

rom kanonSi cvlilebebi arcerTi

sxva bankis SeSfoTebis mize-

zi ar gamxdara.

_ gvaqvs safuZvliani

eWvi, ician, rom es kanoni maT ar

SeexebaT. movuwodeb kargad gaiaz-

ron _ maT es yvela SemTxvevaSi

SeexebaT iribad, magram mtkivneu-

lad. qarTu bankis precendenti,

biznesis Tavisuflebis Tvalsaz-

risiT, TavisTavad mniSvnelovania.

es aris uprecendento magaliTi,

roca biznes-struqturam xeli-

suflebis voluntarizmis winaaR-

mdeg xma aRimaRla. zogadad bizne-

si daterorebulia. dRes sircxvi-

li aRar aris SiSis aRiareba ma-

makacis mxridanac. cota xnis

win nakveTSi avedi, mezobel-

ma mamakacma Tanamdeboba momi-

loca, Tan miTxra _ ver dagi-

reke. SemeSinda rame ar momsv-

lodao. mapatieT, mkiTxvel-

Tan, magram pirdapir miTxra

gilocav rom gambedavi xar,

magram me qveSafsia var da te-

lefonze verc ki dagireke, ra-

Ta ar daefiqsirebinaT, rom Seni

daniSvna gamixardao. es qarTuli

sazogadoebis senia.

_ bolos iqneb dapatimrebuli

Tanxis Sesaxebac gviTxraT, ra vi-

Tarebaa am mxriv?

_ araferi ar viciT. ori dRis

winac moviTxove viTarebis garkve-

va. Cveni iuristebi kazuistikur

mdgomareobaSi mayeneben, meubnebian

ar gvaqvs sarCelis aRZvris sa-

fuZvelio. faqtia, rom es ar iyo

fulis gaTeTrebis operacia. es

magida rom ar SeiZleba tanki

iyos, amas gamoZieba unda? meubne-

bian, gamoZieba mimdinareobso, ara-

da gamosaZiebeli araferia. es ma-

gida veranairad tankad ver garda-

iqmneba, is kidev meubneba oTaxSi

tanki giyeniao. kazuistikaa, aba ra

aris, roca ar gvaqvs ufleba Sss-

s winaaRmdeg samoqalaqo sarCeli

aRvZraT.

Tamar SveliZeP.S. `saerTo gazeTma~ pirveli

da meore jgufis kompaniebis Sesa-

xeb informacia moipova. erTi Se-

xedviT, bevri kiTxvis niSani Cnde-

ba. kerZod, ratom gadayida Sps-mm

`kavkasiis uZravi qonebis jgufma~

da Sps `1+1~-mma qoneba Sps `pirim-

zeze~ da rogor moxda, rom am qo-

nebas ukve meore dResve asmilio-

niani yadaRa daedo. `saerTo gaze-

Ti~ daukavSirdeba aRniSnuli kom-

paniis xelmZRvanelebs da damate-

biT informacias momaval nomrebSi

SemogTavazebT.

7 gv. ratom aRmoCndnen mxolod `qarTu bankis~ klientebi `biujetis qurdebi~?

mainc ra gavigeT `kvlevebis

kviraSi~ _ is, rom `nacionalu-

ri moZraoba~ lideria, xolo

maTi Tavkaci, prezidenti mixeil

saakaSvili ki liderTa lideri.

es yvelaferi rom ase dalagde-

boda, kvlevis Camtareblebmac

winaswarve icodnen, cxadia,

kvlevis damkveTebmac da aba, ra-

Ra saWiro iyo droisa da fu-

lis flangva, mosaxleobaSi gan-

wyobis Sesaqmnelad, fsiqologi-

urad SemzadebisTvis?

jer saerTod gaurkveveli

darCa visTan gvqonda saqme, rad-

gan ài-r-ai-s~ (aSS-is saerTa-

Soriso respublikuri kvlevis

centri) ar miuTiTebia vin Caa-

tara kvleva. vinaidan maT kvle-

vebs, rogorc wesi, yovelTvis

ài-pi-emi~ asrulebda, iZulebu-

li gavxdiT, axlac igi CagveTva-

la (xelmZRvaneli goCa cqitiS-

vili) sociologiuri kvlevis

mwarmoeblad (radgan ar uarhy-

ves, asec yofila); meore, Tu es

kvleva marTlac ài-pi-emma~ Caa-

tara, ori kviris intervaliT

daSorebul kvlevaSi ratom

aris dafiqsirebuli sruliad

gansxvavebuli Sedegi, ori kvira

xom ar aris is vada, romelSic

aseTi mkveTri cvlilebis alba-

Toba dasaSvebia (saubaria biZina

ivaniSvilis 53%-ze, riTic igi

xelisuflebis Tanabar Zalad

aris miCneuli resursis mxriv).

mesame _ ratom ar daukveTes

pirdapir ài-pi-em-s~ da ratom

gamoqveynda mis mier Catarebuli

kvleva ài-r-ai-s~ saxeliT?

garda amisa, 2003 wlidan am

organizaciis kvlevebSi, ro-

gorc kvalificiuri sociolo-

gebi aRniSnaven, sakmao xarvezebi

fiqsirdeboda, ris gamoc TviT

kompania, politikur reitingebs

aRar akeTebda, axla raRa moxda,

rom ori kviris ganmavlobaSi

isev Zveleburad àuria~? _ es

kiTxvebi mxolod me ar gamiCnda.

is, rom saqarTveloSi xeli-

suflebis mxridan zewola arse-

bobs yvela sferoze, maT Soris

saqarTveloSi arsebul socio-

logiuri kvlevebis kompanieb-

zec, cxadze ucxadesia, amdenad,

veravis Catarebuli kvleva ver

mogvcems imis naTel suraTs, ra

ganwyobaa sinamdvileSi sazoga-

doebaSi. albaT, mxolod erTi

kuTxiTaa yuradsaRebi wixlsqve-

modan amoRebuli Sedegebi, _ sa-

qarTvelos mosaxleobis ramden

procents ar eSinia arsebuli

xelisuflebis. rac Seexeba pa-

suxs: àrcerTi/Tavi Seikava/mi-

Wirs pasuxis gacema~ _ es erTi

sityviT naTqvami, daaxloebiT

amgvari Sinaarsis Semcveli

frazaa _ `ra vici ra xdeba,

sjobs, movicado~, an òri Tavi

ki ar maqvs, simarTle vTqva~ da

misTanebi, anu medroveebisa da

SeSinebuli moqalaqeebis pro-

centia, romelic situaciisda

mixedviT xdeba realuri kandi-

datis realuri amomrCeveli.

sociologiur kvlevas mxo-

lod im qveynebSi aqvs azri, sadac

pirovnebis Tavisuflebis xarisxi

imdenad maRalia, sadac adamians Se-

uZlia daafiqsiros sakuTari azri

ise, rom ar SeeSindeba samsaxuri-

dan gamogdebis (saqarTvelos sinam-

dileSi swored ase hqvia, ̀ daTxov-

na~ civilizebuli formaa). SeSine-

bul adamianTa kategoriisTvis, uk-

ve ucvlel mocemulobad devs maT

gonebaSi, rom adamianis erTi àn-

tisaakaSviluri~ fraza sakmarisia

imisaTvis, ukeTes SemTxvevaSi umu-

SevrobisTvis, uaresSi ki sacixod

rom gawiros sakuTari ojaxis wev-

ri an wevrebi.

ài-r-ai-s~ mier Catarebuli

kvlevis Sedegebi, romlebic sa-

xelisuflebo televiziebiT ga-

daica 7 dekembrs, rogorc gvam-

cnes, kiTxvaris mxriv, sruli

ar iyo, magram rac mTavari iyo,

is xom ucvlelad darCa.

saqarTvelos masStabiT 27

oqtombridan 11 noembramde gamo-

kiTxuli iqna 4 000 adamiani.

aravis aRuniSnavs, ra meTodiT

Catarda kvleva, pirispiri in-

terviuTi, satelefono gamo-

kiTxviT, vinaobis miTiTebiT, vi-

naobis dasaxelebis gareSe Tu...

da a.S

ras emsaxureboda ài-r-ai-

is~ Sedegebis or kviraSi or-

jer `gamocxoba~, amaze erTi pa-

suxi aqvs araerT adamians, _ vi-

naidan cnobili iyo, rom unda

gamoqveynebuliyo `saqarTvelos

ganviTarebis kvleviTi institu-

tis~ dakveTiT Catarebuli kv-

levis Sedegebi, romelic Caata-

ra `sociologiuri kvlevebis

centrma~ (e,.w kaWkaWiSvilis

uwyebam), obieqturad cnobili

centris monacemebi, SeZlebis-

dagvarad, unda gaqarwylebuli-

yo.

ài-r-ai~.

kiTxva: _ Semdeg kviras rom

saparlamenti arCevnebi tardebo-

des, romel partias miscemdiT

xmas?

erTiani nacionaluri moZra-

oba _ 42%

biZina ivaniSvilis partia _

18%

qristian-demokratiuli par-

tia 8%

leiboristuli partia _ 3%

sxva partiebi erTad _ 4%

arcerTi _ Tavi Seikava _

25%

(monacemebi `rusTavi-2-idan~

aris aRebuli)

vinc yuradRebiT adevnebda

Tvalyurs sociologiuri kvle-

vis Sedegebs, aucileblad Se-

niSnavda, rom sainformacio wya-

roebi gansxvavebul cifrebs asa-

xelebdnen. sayuradReboa, rom

ài-r-ai-s~ oficialurad ar da-

udasturebia is cifrebi, rac

gamoqveynda, amdenad, sakiTxavic

ki aris, marTla man Caatara xse-

nebuli kvleva, an marTla misi

dakveTiT Catarda? (ise, amgvar

SemTxvevas informaciis `klasi-

kuri gaJonva~ ufro hqvia, ro-

melzec Semdgom garkveuli pro-

pagandistuli xazis awyoba xde-

ba.)

ài-r-ai-m~ yvelaze sando

opoziciuri lideris reitingic

`daadgina~.

giorgi TargamaZe _ 22%

biZina ivaniSvili _ 21%

Salva naTelaSvili _ 4%

irakli alasania _ 3%

faqtobrivad, gamovida, rom

sazogadoebam ài-r-ai-s~ saxe-

liT saxelisuflebo televizi-

ebis monacemebi ixila. Tu gaviT-

valiswinebT Jurnalist nana

leJavas masalas, sadac saubaria

imaze, rom sam satelevizio

arxs, kancelariidan egzavneba

satelevizio badis gegma da mi-

TiTebebi, rogor unda momzad-

des sainformacio gamoSveba, es

eWvi ufro gamZafrdeba. (res-

pondentebi arian `sazogadoeb-

rivi mauwyeblis~ sabWos wevri

2 wlis ganmavlobaSi Sorena Sa-

verdaSvili da `moambis~ erT-

erTi prodiuseri 2007 wels

eka fircxalava) ragind monace-

mi daidos, xom cxadia, rom am

SemTxvevaSi mainc, mtknari sic-

ruis SedegTan gvaqvs saqme, Tu

ra Tqma unda, gamokiTxva gior-

gi TargamaZis nacnob-megobrebis

da saxelisuflebo wreSi ar Ca-

tarda.

`socialuri kvlevisa da ana-

lizis institutis~ Catarebuli

sociologiuri kvleva, romelic

Catarda pirispir intervius me-

TodiT. (11-22 noembris monaceme-

bi) gamoikiTxa 3 000 responden-

ti saqarTvelos 11 regionSi

(Tbilisis CaTvliT) ojaxebSi,

SemTxveviTi SerCevis principiT

cdomileba 95%-iani saimedoobi-

saTvis ar aWarbebs, 1, 8%-s.

kiTxva: _ xval rom saparla-

menti arCevnebi gaimarTos, ro-

mel politikur Zalas dauWer-

diT pirvel rigSi mxars?


oba _ 36%


32%

qristian-demokratebi _

4,3%

xval rom saparlamento ar-

Cevnebi gaimarTos, romel poli-

tikur Zalas dauWerdiT mxars

meore rigSi?


12,4%

qristian-demokratiuli moZ-

raoba _ 12,2%


oba _ 8,8%

am SemTxvevaSi ài-r-ai-s~

raRa vuTxra, roca, momiteveT

da, veraferi gavige am ucnauri

avtoritaruli reJimis dros nebismierisociologiuri kvleva blefia

9#53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w. saerTo gazeTi

procentebisa rigiTobasTan mi-

marTebaSi, ras hqvia meore rig-

Si? an ratom aRar Cans, vis mis-

cemda amomrCeveli xmas mesame

rigSi? amgvari midgomiT xom me-

same rigSi xmis micemulebi pir-

vel rigSi aRmoCndebodnen, _ am-

gvarad dasmuli SekiTxvis arsi

ver gavige, Tumca, arc procen-

tebis TamaSi aRmoCnda gasagebi.

vTqvaT, nacionaluri moZraobis

pirvel rigSi arCevisas miRebu-

li 36% meore rigSi arCevisas

ratom gaxda 8%, sad gaifanta

da ratom 28%. miuxedavad didi

interesisa, piradad me ver gavi-

ge (verc bevrma sxvam) socio-

logiuri kvlevebis Sedegebis

àmbavi~. kvlav momiteveT da, Tu

Cven, xalxma, arasociologebma

veraferi gavigeT da arc gvixs-

nis aravin, SekiTxva maqvs, _

visTvisac Catarda es kvlevebi

da vis interesebSic aris saer-

Tod, amgvari kvlevebis Sedegebi,

pirdapir misTvis daedoT win,

ras atrialebdnen mTeli dRe

mosaxleobisTvis?

gvinda Tu ar gvinda, gvasme-

ninebdnen da gvacqerinebdnen so-

ciologiuri kvlevebis mixedviT

àRmoCenil~ sazogadoebis ùpi-

robod~ rCeuli partiis wevre-

bis komentarebs kvlevis Sede-

gebze, romlebic gaciskrovnebu-

li saxeebiT, TiTqos viRacas

niSns ugeben...

absoluturad sxva suraTia

internet-gamokiTxvis SemTxveva-

Si, roca aranairad ar fiqsir-

deba xmis mimcemis vinaoba.

internet-gamokiTxvis inicia-

tori politikuri moZraoba

`Tavisufali saqarTvelo~. (3

dekembris monacemebi)

kiTxva: _ xval rom saparla-

menti arCevnebi iyos, romel

partias dauWerdiT mxars?

`qarTuli ocneba~ (biZina

ivaniSvili) _ 51, 46%

demokratiuli moZraoba (ni-

no burjanaZe) _ 10, 115


oba (mixeil saakaSvili) _ 5,

62%

Tavisufali saqarTvelo (ka-

xa kukava) _ 10, 34%

qristian-demokratiuli par-

tia (giorgi TargamaZe) _ 0,

22%

internet-gamokiTxvaSi yvela

partiaa dasaxelebuli, magram me

mxolod iqamde mogawodeT sura-

Ti, sadamdec am gamokiTxvaSi

sxva or gamokiTxvaSi moyvanili

partiebi arian `mowinave~ same-

ulSi. (aRsaniSnavia, rom èdp~

(mamuka qardava) 0 %-zea gaSeSe-

buli)

is, rom saqarTvelos poli-

tikuri samyaro orpolusiania,

amaze axla mainc unda àswion

xelebi~ qristian-demokratebma,

sxvas ver atyueben da sakuTar

Tavs xom ar moityueben imis Za-

xiliT, rom mesame polusi isi-

ni arian. yvela-yvela da, saqar-

TveloSi mainc ician, rom isini

pirveli polusis saparlamento

ganayari arian...

sociologiuri gamokiTxve-

bis Sedegebi, rigiTi moqalaqis-

Tvis, SeiZleba, sainteresoc ki

iyos erTgvarad, magram sinamdvi-

leSi xom ase ar aris. socio-

logiuri gamokiTxva, garda imi-

sa, rom asaxavs viTarebas, sazo-

gadoebriv ganwyobas qmnis, miTu-

metes, roca 25-e kadrad CagZa-

xian erTsa da imaves...

albaT, sadavo ar iqneba Tu

vityviT, rom SiSis faqtori Se-

darebiT maRalia regionebSi,

rac aisaxa kidec sociologiur

kvlevebSi metnaklebad, magram

regionebis suraTi, meores

mxriv, Zalze sainteresod gad-

moiSala.

es aris monacemebi kiTxvaze,

`xval rom saparlamento arCev-

nebi gaimarTos, romel politi-

kur Zalas, dauWerdiT mxars

pirvel rigSi?


obis Sedegebi regionebis mixed-

viT:

samcxe-javaxeTi _ 71, 7%

samegrelo, zemo svaneTi _

52, 7%

qvemo qarTli _ 46, 3%

Sida qarTli _ 42, 9%

raWa-leCxumi _ 42,1 %

aWara _ 35, 9%

kaxeTi _ 34,9%

imereTi _ 30%

Tbilisi _ 23, 9%

guria _ 22, 2%

mcxeTa-mTianeTi _ 21, 2%


obis konkurentad am SemTxveva-

Sic biZina ivaniSvili moiazreba,

Tumca, naklebad, rac, albaT,

imiT aris gamowveuli, rom

`qarTuli ocneba~ regionebSi

ar gasula.

biZina ivaniSvilis sazogado-

ebrivi moZraobis Sedegebi regi-

onebis mixedviT:

samcxe-javaxeTi _ 15, 2%

samegrelo, zemo svaneTi _ 8,

4%

qvemo qarTli _ 24, 0%

Sida qarTli _ 33, 9%

raWa-leCxumi _ 39, 8%

aWara _ 27,8%

kaxeTi _ 35, 8%

imereTi _ 43, 8%

Tbilisi _ 39, 6%

guria _ 24, 6%

mcxeTa-mTianeTi _ 41, 8%

albaT, TvalSisacemia sameg-

relo-zemo svaneTisa da samcxe-

javaxeTis monacemebi, romelsac,

cxadia, axsna aqvs, magram dRes

mxolod kvlevebze vsaubrobT.

ài-e-ai-s~ gamokiTxvaSi po-

litikuri liderebis reitingi-

caa, romlis mixedviT, saakaSvi-

lis mimarT, gamokiTxulTa 74%

yofila keTilganwyobili. ar

maxsovs vin Tqva, magram albaT,

unda daveTanxmoT, SeiZleba,

marTlac iyos aseTi suraTi,

radgan adamianTa sami katego-

riaa, namdvili miSistebi, SiSis-

tebi da aferistebio. yvelafers

rom Tavi davaneboT, patimrebis

mxardasaWer aqciaze, patimrebis

ojaxis wevrebi ar midian imis

SiSiT, araferi moswion uaresi

Cems patimarso da misgan aRebu-

li pasuxebi ramdenad iqneba mi-

si realuri ganwyobis gamomxat-

veli? _ arada, igive procente-

biT Tu vimsjelebT, lamis naxe-

vari saqarTvelo patimari, an

patimris ojaxis wevria.

albaT, sainteresoa socio-

logiuri kvlevis is Sedegic,

romelic politikur asparezze

biZina ivaniSvilis gamoCenas

mohyva `nacionalebis~ amomrCe-

velSi dasaqmebis WrilSi, _ sa-

xelmwifo seqtorSi dasaqme-

bulTa 21, 3% nacionalebidan

biZina ivaniSvilis seqtorSi sa-

jarod gadabargda.

dasaqmebis WrilSi biZina

ivaniSvilis mxardamWerTa saer-

To suraTi aseTia:

saxelmwifo seqtorSi dasaq-

mebuli _ 21,3 %

kerZo seqtorSi dasaqmebuli

_ 37%

TviTdasaqmebuli _ 41,3 %

studenti pensioneri _ 37,7

%

umuSevari _ 36,4 %

`nacionalebis~ mxardamWerTa

saerTo suraTi dasaqmebis

WrilSi:

saxelmwifo seqtorSi dasaq-

mebulebi _ 52,1 %

kerZo seqtorSi dasaqmebu-

lebi _ 28,1 %

TviTdasaqmebuli _ 27,4 %

studenti/pensioneri _ 32,6

%

umuSevari _ 29,6%

me, piradad, ra vqna, ar mje-

ra, rom umuSevarTa 30 % im xe-

lisuflebas Sehxarodes, ro-

melmac umuSevari datova; anda,

TviTdasaqmebulTa 27%, romel-

Sic, albaT, soflis mosaxleo-

bis didi nawili igulisxmeba; an

studentebis TiTqmis 32 %,

romlTa mSoblebic groSebiT

Sekowiwebul fuls ixdian misi

ganaTlebisTvis (viTom ganaTle-

bisTvis) da maTxovrul pensiaze

mibmuli pensionerebi, amxela ga-

dasaxadebis da pirveladi moxma-

rebis produqtebze usaSvelod

gazrdili fasebis fonze.

sainteresod momeCvena erTma-

neTs midevnebuli ori kiTxva: _

biZina ivaniSvilma gadawyvita

politikaSi CarTva, sakuTari

politikuri Zalis Camoyalibeba

da 2012 wlis saparlamento ar-

CevnebSi monawileobis miReba.

ramdenad emxrobiT biZina ivaniS-

vilis am gadawyvetilebas?

sruliad vemxrobi _ 33.4 %

ufro vemxrobi, vidre ara _

22, 9 %

ufro ar vemxrobi, vidre ki

_ 13,6 %

savsebiT ar vemxrobi _ 13, 1

%

miWirs pasuxis gacema _ 17

%

kiTxva: _ rogor Seafaseb-

diT biZina ivaniSvilis pirvel

nabijebs politikaSi?

Zalze dadebiTad _ 24,1 %

ufro dadebiTad, vidre uar-

yofiTad _ 22,1 %

arc dadebiTad, arc uaryo-

fiTad _ 21,4 %

ufro uaryofiTad, vidre

dadebiTad _ 10,2 %

Zalze uaryofiTad _ 8,3 %

miWirs pasuxis gacema _ 13,9

%

kidev erTxel momiteveT,

magram kvlav veraferi gavige, an

kiTxvebia arasworad dasmuli,

an moqalaqeebi ver acnobiereben,

ras ekiTxebian, an viRac ver iT-

vlis procentebs sworad, anu

Cayrilia an amoyrilia procen-

tebi. sxvagvarad ver vfiqrob,

radgan es orive kiTxva erTi da

igive kiTxvaa, oRond sxvadasx-

vagvarad dasmuli.

Tu biZina ivaniSvilis ga-

dawyvetilebas, rom 2012 wlis

saparlamento arCevnebSi monawi-

leobis miRebas gamokiTxulTa

34 % emxroba, imave pirovnebis

pirvel nabijebs politikaSi

Zalze dadebiTad ratom miiCnevs

24 %-iRa, sad wavidnen danarCe-

nebi da ratom? am dros TiTqmis

ucvleli rCeba ùfro vemxrobi,

vidre ara~ (22,9 %) da ùfro

dadebiTad, vidre uaryofiTad~

(22,1 %).

am or kiTxvas mosdevs mesa-

mec da aranakleb dasabnevi Sede-

giT. kiTxva: _ ra molodinebs

ukavSirebT politikaSi biZina

ivaniSvilis gamoCenas qveynis

momavali ganviTarebisTvis?

politikaSi, ivaniSvilis sa-

xiT mova axali Zala, romelic

qveyanaSi viTarebas ukeTesobis-

ken Secvlis _ 52,8 %

ivaniSvilis politikaSi

mosvliT qveyanaSi arsebuli vi-

Tareba ar Seicvleba _ 16, 1 %

politikaSi, ivaniSvilis

mosvliT qveyanaSi arsebuli vi-

Tareba kidev ufro gauaresdeba

_ 8 %

miWirs pasuxis gacema _ 23

%

isev ibadeba kiTxva, Tu gamo-

kiTxulTa 52,8 % Tvlis, rom

biZina ivaniSvilis politikaSi

mosvliT, modis axali Zala,

romelic qveyanaSi arsebul vi-

Tarebas ukeTesobisken Secvlis,

ratom ar Cans es procentebi im

kiTxvebSi, romelic ivaniSvilis

2012 wlis saparlamento arCev-

nebSi monawileobasa da mis pir-

vel nabijebs politikaSi exeba?

kvlevaSi aris kiTxva sasur-

vel premier-ministrzec da mo-

maval saprezidento varianteb-

zec, magram ar Canda mesame mniS-

vnelovani figuris, parlamentis

Tavmjdomaris SesaZlo varian-

tebis Sesaxeb gamokiTxva, Tumca,

rogorc batonma ramaz sayvare-

liZem brZana, baton iago kaWka-

WiSvils es monacemic hqonia da

daviwyebia warmodgena. am post-

ze liderobs moqmedi parlamen-

tis Tavmjdomare daviT baqraZe,

mas mosdeven ugulava, alasania,

kidev viRac da saakaSvili.

Tu gaviTvaliswinebT, rom

premier-ministris postze 2013

wlidan biZina ivaniSvilis xil-

va unda 26,1 %-s, xolo mixeil

saakaSvilisa 24,2 %-s, ài-r-ai-

s~ gamokvleviT ki mosaxleobis

74 % ucxadebs ndobas da ke-

Tilganwyobilia mis mimarT, nam-

dvilad gasaocari Sedegia, _

dRevandel 74 %-s, 2013 wlidan

arc premier-ministrad da arc

parlamentis Tavmjdomared saa-

kaSvilis xilva aRar unda.

es yvelaferi arcTu kargia,

yovel SemTxvevaSi, viTom opo-

ziciur partiebs `gansjis saga-

ni~ eZlevaT, riTic, faqtiurad,

yvelanairi sociologiuri kv-

leviTi blefis gaformeba xdeba

saxelisuflebo partiis sasike-

Tod, winswrebiT samomavlod.

maia WeliZe


intterrviu axalgazrrduli

moZrraoba `̀rrattom~-iis errT-eerrT

damfuZnebelTan daviT faca-ciasTan.

_ daviT, im xanebSi, roca

Tqven saakaSvils mkvleli uwo-

deT, gavrcelda informacia,

rom Sokoladic esroleT. mar-

Tla ase iyo?

_ yvelas gvaxsovs, ra mox-

da 26 maiss. sazogadoeba Soki-

dan gamosuli ar iyo 27 maiss

sruliad SemTxveviT marjaniS-

vilis TeatrSi aRmovCndi Cems

megobrebTan erTad. iq `mobrZan-

da~ saakaSvili, rom davinaxe

manqanidan bednieri, gaRimebuli

saxiT gadmosuli miSa, Se

mkvlelo-meTqi, mivaZaxe. Soko-

ladi Zalian miyvars, marTalia,

jibeSi medo, magram ra azri

hqonda Sokoladis srolas, Tu

movindomebdi, erTi xelis gaw-

vdenaze iyo da xelis gaqnevac

SeiZleboda.

mkvleli saakaSvili axla

mTel saqarTvelos upirebs

mokvlas, magram ar davanebebT...

_ 26 maisis aqciebi efeqtu-

ri iyo? Tqveni azriT, ra unda

momxdariyo Sedegis misaRwe-

vad?

_ reJimis winaaRmdeg yo-

velgvar protests mivesalmebi,

da ar mimaCnia, rom 26 maisis

aqciebi uSedego iyo, piriqiT,

am aqciebma Sedegi gamoiRo, mag-

ram mTavari Secdoma arakonso-

lidirebuloba iyo. ar SeiZle-

ba, romelime politikuri Za-

lis gamijvna da miuRebloba.

zogierTs ar ikarebdnen, zogi-

erTi TviTon ar ekareboda `sa-

xalxo krebis~ aqciebs. Tavis

naWuWSi iyvnen Caketili. Sede-

gic miviReT. dRes, Cemi azriT,

erTianobis yvelaze didi auci-

lebloba dgas. ar unda iyos

ise, rom yvela politikurma

personam Tavis Tavze moirgos

politikuri procesebi.

mas Semdeg, rac bi-Zina ivaniSvilma gaake-Ta politikaSi mosv-lis gancxadeba, es iyo

bolo wlebSi poli-tikurad yvelazeRirebuli gancxade-ba da imis aRiareba,rom es adamiani Ta-vis Tavze ki ar ir-gebs politikurprocesebs, aramedTviTon xdeba mov-lenebis nawili ne-bayoflobiT.ukve droa, politikaSi Se-

movides Rirseba, morali da

politikuri Rirebulebebi, ro-

ca ivaniSvilma pirvelad ga-

nacxada, rom miuRebelia misT-

vis im politikuri gundis ga-

dawyvetilebebi, rogorebic

arian qristian-demokratebi,

axali memarjveneebi, romlebmac

daamkvidres saqarTveloSi axa-

li tipis politikuri `pado-

Sizmi~, cxadi gaxda,

rom aucilebelia dayo-

fa da gancalkeveba

calkeuli politikuri

jgufebisa.

_ daTo, Tqven migaC-

niaT, rom am reJimis wi-

naaRmdeg brZolaSi

aucilebelia politi-

kuri polarizeba? xom

miviReT ukve orpolu-

siani politikuri ve-

li?

_ Zalian kargi, rom

miviReT da mimaCnia, rom

kargia, rom moxda es

dayofa.

_ Tumca oriode

dRis win axali koali-

cia Camoyalibda, rom-

lis Seqmnasac mkveTrad

negatiuri ganwyobebi

ukve mohyva kidevac

`qristian-ddemokratebisgan~.

_ me mxolod mivesalmebi

alasania-respublikelebi iva-

niSvilis politikur jgufs da

mimaCnia, rom es gaerTianeba

perspeqtiulia, magram yvelaze

mTavari, rac am bolo dReebSi

moxda, mainc is iyo, rom Cven,

axalgazrdebi SevxvdiT biZina

ivaniSvils da rac masSi yvela-

ze Zalian momewona, es iyo mi-

si uSualoba. mixaria da amayi

var, rom es koalicia Seiqmna,

radgan aucileblad unda momx-

dariyo damnaSaveebis gamijvna

udanaSaulo da marTali xal-

xisgan. es rom ar momxdariyo,

arafers azri ar eqneboda, po-

litikuri procesebi srul

stagnaciaSi iyo.

_ ratom gamodis, Tqveni az-

riT, qristian-ddemokratiuli

partia dapirispirebulis rol-

Si?

_ ar mindoda amis Tqma, mag-

ram yvelam viciT, rogor Seiq-

mna es partia. uamravi eWvi ar-

sebobs da sxvaTaSoris, damaje-

rebeli eWvebic, rom es organi-

zacia Seqmnilia nacmoZraobis

maRalCinosnebis mier, romle-

bic uSualod finansuradac ex-

marebian am partias da a.S. mag-

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rezo CxeiZe: mec maqvs Cemi qarTuli ocneba...4 saerTo gazeTi #53 (182), 17-20.XII, 2011 w. aliansis, rvianisa da eqvsianis Semdeg sa-qarTveloSi axali po-litikuri koalicia iqmneba